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Did rain rob Pakistan of victory in the third ODI against South Africa?

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No way they are going to chase this with thin paper batting lineup, at least the match will be going to become interesting, I still hope they will win last two matches.....:faf
 
No SA would have won. Faf is dangerous when set and Miller was still to come.
 
Hasan123 said:
No SA would have won. Faf is dangerous when set and Miller was still to come.
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We were well in the game.
Well on top at the first rain break, and 55-45 at the second rain break to SA. All u need is a wicket in those situations and the asking rate goes through the roof and the new man is under pressure.
That's how we roll in t20s
 
The spinners struggled due to the wet conditions so I doubt we would have won.
 
pakistani pride said:
Sure the RRR was close to 8. Also after the rain break it was impossible to grip the ball.

PAK got robbed!
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Even without the rain I think SA would have won. That's just my opnion. They had enough batting to come to win and Faf and Hendricks were set.
 
Abdullah said:
We were well in the game.
Well on top at the first rain break, and 55-45 at the second rain break to SA. All u need is a wicket in those situations and the asking rate goes through the roof and the new man is under pressure.
That's how we roll in t20s
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South Africa also slowed down when it was close to DL and started raining. If it wasn't raining they could have played more positively.
 
Abdullah said:
We were well in the game.
Well on top at the first rain break, and 55-45 at the second rain break to SA. All u need is a wicket in those situations and the asking rate goes through the roof and the new man is under pressure.
That's how we roll in t20s
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SA played well give it to them , i think your bowlers lost you the game
 
Unlikely...at 187 for 2 in 33 overs, SA were favorites chasing , especially with the not so penetrative bowling on display.
 
The bowling was worse after the first rain break. Shadab couldnt grip the ball. I think SA was in control when the game ended eventually and could have won from there. However, the rain after 17 overs is what derailed and affected Pak team. SO the answer is yes & no :)
 
We had a chance if s affers were to chase 318...
shorter target always favours batting side...wkts in hand, less to score, RRR becomes irrelevant when teams go into T20 mode.
 
Given Pak's recent form and Sarfaraz's penchant to collapse under pressure, hell no
 
It was up and down. Initial period SA. Once Amla was out even stevens. Once Dekock was out Pakistan. At first rain stoppage Pak had the upperhand. Then Hendricks played positively, possibly under the instruction of team management. Then SA gradually wrested the initiative back once Faf also started clicking.
 
No, Pakistan has no bowling to defend that score on that flat pitch.They slowed down last few overs.They woould have won easily.
 
I'm happy. This will keep the pp hype brigade in check, whilst I can see positive underlying signs.
Hopefully it will all come together when expectation are not as high at the world cup( we got into great positions in these last two games and imagine if we did win these last 2 games, pp would be in overdrive)
 
Dont remeber last time we defended anything under Sarfaraz’s captaincy except CT 17 final or against minnows.
 
Abdullah said:
I'm happy. This will keep the pp hype brigade in check, whilst I can see positive underlying signs.
Hopefully it will all come together when expectation are not as high at the world cup( we got into great positions in these last two games and imagine if we did win these last 2 games, pp would be in overdrive)
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I like your idea

Let’s spare the best for the WC :sa
 
Titan24 said:
Dont remeber last time we defended anything under Sarfaraz’s captaincy except CT 17 final or against minnows.
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But but we were told he is great tactically.

In all 3 games his captaincy has been rubbish.
 
Pakistan could have won , but would have taken a big effort from bowlers. SA were well in charge.
 
This is a great win for SA. The youngsters have been impressive.
 
Next match is Pink ODI & SA never lost on a Pink ODI

So congrats SA B team for winning series 4-1
 
Full game is always better and anything can happen, but this thread seems unfair given that SA was in strong position. Pitch was flat and easy to bat.
 
187-2 chasing 131 off 102 balls when they deliberately slowed down for last 30 balls just to be ahead of the Duckworth-Lewis system.

I think its height of optimism to believe that Pakistan can defend 131 off 102 balls with 8 wickets in hand for the opposition in an ODI game.

South Africa were running away with the game despite the rain breaks.

Rain only gave the false belief, that had it been the full game, Pakistan would have somehow churned out a win.
 
Surely rain had its part to play but cant rule out the poor bowling and tactics. Sarfraz never encourages his spinners to take wickets. No slip was introduced for the new man and only after the edge a slip was deployed. For me Sarfraz needs to go as his lack of confidence has crept into the team and we are well into danger zone with world cup fast approaching. I was hoping he gets banned by ICC as PCB is the most useless setup ever and will never be proactive in such matters.
 
Would have been a 60 - 40 in favour of SA. SA were in a good position to win guys. Dont think we were robbed. It was fair in the end. But again anything can happen in cricket. If we can lose with just 2 needed in one over, any thing can happen.
 
Rain certainly robbed us.
But more so the first rain delay, by the second rain delay Safr were well on top.

No rain at all would have meant Pak winning in this situation 9.99 out of 10 times...
 
We were ahead before first rain stoppage, probably would have won had it not rained but anyway rain helped us against them in CT in a game we probably would have lost.
Swings and roundabouts..
 
What a joke. Hendricks was murdering our bowlers. Sarfraz clueless as usual with his bowling changes.
 
There is no doubt rain or no rain SA is winning the match, amir, Shaheen, & shadab is a very good bowling attack, with 300+ there is always scoreboard pressure, Pakistan is famous for its bowling to defend totals over the years but their bowlers are world class but still can't defend it's a concern for Pakistan team.
 
If there was no rain at all then I think Pakistan would have won. After the rain delay we couldn't deal with South Africa at all since the spinners were neutralized.
 
People clearly misreading the slowing down of RSA for the last overs. It was just to keep the wickets so that it doesn't messes up the equation. A little bit of game awareness goes a long way. A quality that Pakistan lacks.
 
Itachi said:
People clearly misreading the slowing down of RSA for the last overs. It was just to keep the wickets so that it doesn't messes up the equation. A little bit of game awareness goes a long way. A quality that Pakistan lacks.
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That’s why I said if the first rain break had not happened....
The first break ruined it for us...
 
Yes the first rain break got spinners out of the equation... Second rain break SA were ahead and on their merry way to seal the win... Rain robbed Hendricks a ton...
 
The team that loses out on a Duckworth Lewis calculation is always going to feel hard done by BUT keep in mind that only a year ago in a knock out Champions Trophy match between Pakistan and South Africa, South Africa were on the receiving end of this type of result. And that was a far more important game than this one. We Pakistani fans did not protest and demand SA be put through to the next round on that occasion.

So I guess in the end, you do just have to accept these results and move on. Some will go your way and others won't. It's life.
 
Rain also won us 92 world cup so it happens sometimes things don't go your way..:asif
 
Usman said:
The team that loses out on a Duckworth Lewis calculation is always going to feel hard done by BUT keep in mind that only a year ago in a knock out Champions Trophy match between Pakistan and South Africa, South Africa were on the receiving end of this type of result. And that was a far more important game than this one. We Pakistani fans did not protest and demand SA be put through to the next round on that occasion.

So I guess in the end, you do just have to accept these results and move on. Some will go your way and others won't. It's life.
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If memory serves me right we were only three down chasing will less then 80 required and around 25 overs left. If anything I remember being nervous that the rain delay in that game may have cost us our momentum...

In yesterday’s game we scored 310+ and when teams score the many runs they usually win 9 out of 10 times...

So no I don’t see any comparison and there was certainly no poetic justice...
 
MRSN said:
Rain also won us 92 world cup so it happens sometimes things don't go your way..:asif
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But this thread title is discussing whether rain robbed Pakistan and whilst I don’t think it robbed them, the rain was clearly in favour of Safr..
 
No
We are mediocre team we already achieve our target ( 1 win in odi and test combine) by fluke.
Decrease your expectations from minnows
 
It's impossible to tell but the saffers req rr was heading to 8 and their current rate was 5. It would have been a tough ask for any side.

But Pakistan should feel confident going into any future game.
 
barah_admi said:
It's impossible to tell but the saffers req rr was heading to 8 and their current rate was 5. It would have been a tough ask for any side.

But Pakistan should feel confident going into any future game.
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The toxic negativity and hate on this site is spreading fast.
 
No, we robbed ourselves with poor planning.It was obvious that rain was on the cards with certain game stoppage so Sarfraz could have been posting more attention to keeping the run rate within the DL ask. Particularly after the 1st break when we were getting to stop boundaries.
 
IMMY69 said:
The toxic negativity and hate on this site is spreading fast.
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Thank goodness some sane posters like you and Usman.Men in G. MMHS still exist on this site others need any excuse to talk negativity about Pakistan. Truth is we have competed well in this series so far and as you said 9 times out of 10 times when a team scores 310+ teams win, especially Pak bowl well when they have a reasonable score to defend and SA batsmen were not finding easy to score against like a of Imax, and Shadab has been very good this series and without rain would havee been handful. Anyway Pak still have opportunity to show fight in the next two matches and the team selection they have finally got right, except Shan missing.
 
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IMMY69 said:
The toxic negativity and hate on this site is spreading fast.
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Seems like you are one of those fans who forget last series drubbing each time our team plays a new series.

Admit the fact that this team is not good enough to compete against top teams. Asia cup should have been an eye opener but I am sure people forget how Malik on his last legs saved us from an embarrassing defeat against Afghans. We were destroyed by India's B team TWICE and we were knocked out by Bangladesh. Even non-sc team like NZ won a test series in our home and draw ODI series. We have witnessed so many defeats in last two years that it feels like we are a future minnows....and the fact we have a racist and joke of a captain does not give any hope either.
 
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People are acting as if we have never seen South Africa falter during a chase before.

Even with two set batsmen operating at 90+ SR, the run-rate was creeping up to 8.

In the last five overs of play, Pakistan gave away only 20 runs. Now SA could have been playing deliberately slow but the only time they were able to accelerate was from overs 18 to 28, after the first interruption of play.

During this time, the run-rate was 7.9 in the ten overs of play but immediately dropped down to 4 afterwards. One lapse of concentration or loss of wicket can result in at the very minimum, a decrease in the run-rate.

Is it a fair assessment to say SA could have won? Yes .

But it is NOT a fair assessment to say SA would have won simply because there are far too many factors to consider.

That’s why the DLM is used; to take away the questioning of the unknown and reduce it to a mere numerical calculation.

It is a formula. Therefore it stagnates but does not take into consideration the variables of chance that take place in cricket.
 
It was a lot more even than some think. 1 wicket could've changed a lot. That's why I hate rain effected games. I'd rather have lost by 8 wickets than have the doubt.
 
It is not about negativity or toxicity. Its about facing your daemons and recognizing where you lack and how you can improve.
In the 2nd ODI, simply scoring high wan;t enough. Sarfraz should have known that the storm was advancing which was bound to impact the overs and DL would come into play. His strategy should have been to keep the Proteas below the asking rate by either restricting their scoring early on or attempting to take more wickets. His lack of vision cost us the match.

If one of the other SENA team captains or Dhoni would have been in this situation, they would have factored this into their equation.

Sometimes you need to play smart, not hard
 
fitCricFan said:
It is not about negativity or toxicity. Its about facing your daemons and recognizing where you lack and how you can improve.
In the 2nd ODI, simply scoring high wan;t enough. Sarfraz should have known that the storm was advancing which was bound to impact the overs and DL would come into play. His strategy should have been to keep the Proteas below the asking rate by either restricting their scoring early on or attempting to take more wickets. His lack of vision cost us the match.

If one of the other SENA team captains or Dhoni would have been in this situation, they would have factored this into their equation.

Sometimes you need to play smart, not hard
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Exactly. Some people are going the ott with rain excuses which shows minnows mentality our fans are slowly adopting.

SA scored 100 odd in 14 overs to stay ahead of D/L. We could have used this to grab wickets and put more pressure on SA. Faulty captaincy to blame here.
 
MRSN said:
Exactly. Some people are going the ott with rain excuses which shows minnows mentality our fans are slowly adopting.

SA scored 100 odd in 14 overs to stay ahead of D/L. We could have used this to grab wickets and put more pressure on SA. Faulty captaincy to blame here.
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I agree with you that if u know there is a chance of rain then u just bowl out ur best bowler ( imad on the day) and try to keep the runs down/ chip at the wickets.
However the commentator said after the first rain break ( may have been before the 2nd) that groundnstaff were not expecting any more rain and we were clear. Maybe sarfaraz also got this same information, so then u don't factor further rain in.
He bought Imad back on when he could see the rain coming
 
Very very unfortunate. Pakistani LOI team is fantastic. Deserved to win the last match. Hopefully, they will win the last one too because the team is clearly superior to the saffers.
 
Brother, Rain helps SA in bilaterals just to make sure they will come again and haunt them in World Cups like has happened in past.
 
IMMY69 said:
If memory serves me right we were only three down chasing will less then 80 required and around 25 overs left. If anything I remember being nervous that the rain delay in that game may have cost us our momentum...

In yesterday’s game we scored 310+ and when teams score the many runs they usually win 9 out of 10 times...

So no I don’t see any comparison and there was certainly no poetic justice...
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Immy I was in the ground at that game. At the time the rain came, Pakistan were 100 off the target. You're right that there were 7 wickets left. However the cloud cover was significant, the SA bowlers were swinging the ball considerably and next man in was Sarfraz, followed by allrounders. A Pakistani victory was by no means guaranteed.
 
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