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Difference in wickets between the UAE and Pakistan

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Have seen the 2 PSL matches in Pakistan and it is clear that the PCB went overdrive in making sure that there would be absolute belter of wickets. Pace bowlers prepared to bend their backs are getting good pace and bounce, batsmen are able to hit through the line, time the ball easily with the ball coming on to the bat, the ball races across the surface to the boundary.

It is pretty clear one of the main factors behind the decline in our batting fortunes is the fact we have been struck non stop on the slow grinding wickets in the UAE and the fact that our domestic wickets and stadiums went downhill in the last 10 years due to the absence of international cricket in Pakistan.
 
Yes, these pitches are way better.

....but, why the same people who will be praising these belters in Pak then bash the IPL for having belters and roads?
 
Honestly, in terms of results, I think our test team benefitted from the UAE exile. Those skiddy pitches are a nightmare for those who arent used to them.

If we still played in Pakistan the likes of SA and England would have won more tests IMO
 
Pakistan has the flattest wickets in the world which are great for developing shotmakers and bowlers.
 
Don't ignore the fact that it has rained in Lahore the past two days and the outfield has been extremely wet. This makes it difficult to grip the bowl for spinners and to bowl slower bowls by pacers. If it did not rain then maybe the bowlers would have performed a little better.
 
Naah it just makes it more boring. Pakistan needs bowling pitches to give the batsmen a challenge.
 
I agree with the OP

UAE pitches have destroyed Pakistans LOI side. Those pitches are just not conducive to stroke makers.

I really hope cricket can come back to Pakistan, sooner rather than later.

Also, because of no international cricket (or hardly any) happening in Pakistan, the standard of our FC pitches has gone down drastically and the effects of this can be seen with no true fast bowler coming. A lot of trundlers with bowling averages between 15-22. Look at Hamid Azam's average in FC.
 
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^To add to my previous post, this has affected are batsmen too. A combination of those FC pitches and playing on those dead/slow UAE wickets.
 
Lol, the same bowlers who looked great in the UAE with decent economy rates and averages have been challenged on these wickets where the margin of error is so minimal.
 
PSL is so much better in Pakistan. I think they should shift the entire tournament to Pakistan.

PSL in Pakistan with less foreign players > PSL in the UAE with more foreign players.
 
Even outside edges are racing to the boundry for 4, these would at best be one run in the UAE. Makes a huge difference
 
The ones in Pakistan are much too batting-friendly. I assume it is not the same in every part of the country given the low scores in domestic cricket and the constant flow of quality fast bowlers from the country.
 
This same pitch last year was a disaster, probably one of the worst in history and very low scoring.

We've seen excellent batting roads in UAE too, Sharjah in particular.

A lot depends on how you prepare the wicket.
 
Mostly the pitchs in Pakistan have been graveyards for any bowlers be it fast or spin .This time its a much better Lahore wicket where ball is come on the bat sweetly and batsman can easily hit across the line . Conventionally its a ted on the slower side and stroke making was always a bit of struggle. This time around the groundsmen have got it spot on .


Those who blame the wickets for our cricket downfall are looking for wrong excuse.
Every country has a peculiar kind of wickets , cricketers are prodiced by the system not by the wickets. If we have a competitive first class system , we would produce better cricketers on consistent basis.
Hard ball cricket is also not grass routed in our country , its not played in schools normally and only the extremely devoted take it on to the next level to club cricket. Club competition is almost non existent and it need to be worked on if we are to improve on consistent basis.
 
Much better pitch. Need these type of pitches for first class cricket. Sick of the slow and low pitches we currently get.
 
Big difference between UAE and Pakistani wickets. Even mistimed shots are racing across the outfield
 
Lol even a light dab by Sarfaraz to third man races for 4. In the UAE that would have been a single
 
Pitch has played well so far in this game, batsmen able to hit freely through the line of the ball.
 
I think Karachi, Dubai, Jeddah pitches are basically the SAME. Both are extremely dry and quick; really good for batting, spinners get some turn, pace bowlers can get aero lateral swing. Best pitches are those of Karachi and Hyderabad (Sindh)
 
I think Karachi, Dubai, Jeddah pitches are basically the SAME. Both are extremely dry and quick; really good for batting, spinners get some turn, pace bowlers can get aero lateral swing. Best pitches are those of Karachi and Hyderabad (Sindh)

Jeddah kahan ponch gaye bhai
 
I remember when we toured Pakistan back in 04, the pitches were absolute belters. Pakistan had the easiest batting conditions that I'd ever seen . We didn't have such pitches even in India back then
 
I think, In PSL, more runs were scored for the fast out fields, rather than the wickets, which still were better than UAE.

UAE actually is the 2nd worst place on planet earth to play cricket - dead slow & low, dying wickets, on large & extremely heavy out-field ...... you can't get a worse combination for stroke players or great timers. Best player on UAE track is probably Misbah, which tells lot & no wonder that guy has the fastest Test hundred there. This year, I found Lahore PSL wicket to be fantastic for batting; would have been for bowling as well had there been a bit more carry & boundaries been set at 70 metres distance - ideal T20 score was possible like 197/9 and game hanging in balance till 40th over, if it's between 2 evenly matched teams.

PAK's FC wickets are the worst in planet earth and add to that QeA trophy arranged in OCT-DEC period, you can't get a worse condition for overall cricket, any where. If they make QeA wicket like the Lahore PSL one - that'll be even worse for FC cricket; because those 250 overs FC games (Only PCB can expect more than 65 overs in a Day in NOV-DEC, in mid to north PAK), then will produce scores like 343/4 dec, 345/6 dec. and 243/4 .... match end in draw after 2.3 innings; with batsmen and bowlers going through motions for 4 days ...

PAK is good in UAE Test, because that suits Misbah model of operation - 450 overs on absolute rubbish, and one can go through the motions at 2.5 rate ..... time & Yasir will hunt the under-prepared tourists by Day 5. I have hardly seen Misbah's PAK to force a result from an advantage - worst example was the Cape Town Test, where after 339 in PAK first innings, SAF crawled back to win that Test from 105/6 or so - apart from drop catches, main reason was Misbah & Azhar batted at 1.7 rate on 4th morning with a 15 or so 1st innings lead - that one example is enough to explain moods operandi. That 2nd Test in Palekele was another classic example - Azhar took 10+ hours for his 139 and that didn't take PAK far away from SRL, who chased 150 with 3/4 down. And, those epic chokes at MCG, Edbeston, Hamilton, Barbados (?) are results of QeA style - players hardly ever had to play out of skin to save a game on what is basically a lottery of wicket. One key observation is that in each of those 6 Tests mentioned here, one particular batsman had good to great outings - Azhar Ali, at snails pace, without ever even threatening to dominate any bowler ......... and that's exactly what is PAK domestic FC wickets are producing - great for batsman like Azhar Ali & Fawad & Misbah ........ those who understands the game, should be able to connect dots here about the QeA wicket (& playing condition).

Lahore wala wicket with a bit of carry and bounce, 70 metre boundary and 6.5 X 4 = 26 hours minimum playing time with strict regulation on 16 overs/hour (otherwise add 6 X number of overs lost as extra runs) and half an hour extension to ensure 104 overs/day - that's 416 overs (420 actually, 20 overs on last hour of Day 4 if the game lasts till death), on good, firm wicket under sun where teams can force result even after 1st innings of 625 & 575 .............. that's 95% of the problem solved.

And, it'll stop 40 years old pacers playing FC cricket faking 5-10 years of age, because now he'll need to bowl 23-25 overs per day and 38-48 overs per FC game - at present that's in the range of 15-16 and 27-29; which hardly helps developing fast bowlers body or stamina. That'll ask spinners as well to flight & turn, rather than dart; while batsmen will be given a fair exchange - the wicket is good enough to post a 300, if you have the concentration to focus for long and has the technique to survive unplayable bowling (not unplayable balls on wicket's credit - that's a shooter or a cracker from good length after 1st day).

Batting is an unique art - extremely monotonous job, but highest level of perfectionist job. That skill is learned on match condition, and it's often self learned. I read the biggest misconception of cricket in PP - "play on tougher wickets, batsmen will improve" - it can't be more wrong anything in cricket. I give a classic example - IND has about 35 FC teams in Ranji (probably more) and in their FC cricket hardly any foreigners play, in fact hardly any Indian International plays - bottom line is Abu Nechim, Ashok Dinda, Rana Dev Bose, Binay Kumar, Md. Siraj, Rishi Dhawan ...... are the PRIME FAST BOWLERS in Ranji - still Indian batsmen are among best in world. If I come to BD, Tamim, Shakib, Mushi, Momin plays pacers worse than League cricket of Birmingham, still ....

Batting is self learned skill with the help/mentoring of a learned coach - by being in middle. Best medicine for a batsman is to give him an absolute belter, and a decent attack to face - then tell him, every thing is in your favor - bat for 12 hours and score 343 ............ Umar Akmal won't do that against a club team in 10 attempts, but Jadeja has 2 FC Triple ...... This is exactly the reason why Babar's LO average is over 50, Test average is under 25 - his batting skills and techniques are fantastic - absolutely no issues there, at least with my little knowledge, I haven't seen anything that should suggest why his Test average shouldn't be close to his LO average.
 
I think, In PSL, more runs were scored for the fast out fields, rather than the wickets, which still were better than UAE.

UAE actually is the 2nd worst place on planet earth to play cricket - dead slow & low, dying wickets, on large & extremely heavy out-field ...... you can't get a worse combination for stroke players or great timers. Best player on UAE track is probably Misbah, which tells lot & no wonder that guy has the fastest Test hundred there. This year, I found Lahore PSL wicket to be fantastic for batting; would have been for bowling as well had there been a bit more carry & boundaries been set at 70 metres distance - ideal T20 score was possible like 197/9 and game hanging in balance till 40th over, if it's between 2 evenly matched teams.

PAK's FC wickets are the worst in planet earth and add to that QeA trophy arranged in OCT-DEC period, you can't get a worse condition for overall cricket, any where. If they make QeA wicket like the Lahore PSL one - that'll be even worse for FC cricket; because those 250 overs FC games (Only PCB can expect more than 65 overs in a Day in NOV-DEC, in mid to north PAK), then will produce scores like 343/4 dec, 345/6 dec. and 243/4 .... match end in draw after 2.3 innings; with batsmen and bowlers going through motions for 4 days ...

PAK is good in UAE Test, because that suits Misbah model of operation - 450 overs on absolute rubbish, and one can go through the motions at 2.5 rate ..... time & Yasir will hunt the under-prepared tourists by Day 5. I have hardly seen Misbah's PAK to force a result from an advantage - worst example was the Cape Town Test, where after 339 in PAK first innings, SAF crawled back to win that Test from 105/6 or so - apart from drop catches, main reason was Misbah & Azhar batted at 1.7 rate on 4th morning with a 15 or so 1st innings lead - that one example is enough to explain moods operandi. That 2nd Test in Palekele was another classic example - Azhar took 10+ hours for his 139 and that didn't take PAK far away from SRL, who chased 150 with 3/4 down. And, those epic chokes at MCG, Edbeston, Hamilton, Barbados (?) are results of QeA style - players hardly ever had to play out of skin to save a game on what is basically a lottery of wicket. One key observation is that in each of those 6 Tests mentioned here, one particular batsman had good to great outings - Azhar Ali, at snails pace, without ever even threatening to dominate any bowler ......... and that's exactly what is PAK domestic FC wickets are producing - great for batsman like Azhar Ali & Fawad & Misbah ........ those who understands the game, should be able to connect dots here about the QeA wicket (& playing condition).

Lahore wala wicket with a bit of carry and bounce, 70 metre boundary and 6.5 X 4 = 26 hours minimum playing time with strict regulation on 16 overs/hour (otherwise add 6 X number of overs lost as extra runs) and half an hour extension to ensure 104 overs/day - that's 416 overs (420 actually, 20 overs on last hour of Day 4 if the game lasts till death), on good, firm wicket under sun where teams can force result even after 1st innings of 625 & 575 .............. that's 95% of the problem solved.

And, it'll stop 40 years old pacers playing FC cricket faking 5-10 years of age, because now he'll need to bowl 23-25 overs per day and 38-48 overs per FC game - at present that's in the range of 15-16 and 27-29; which hardly helps developing fast bowlers body or stamina. That'll ask spinners as well to flight & turn, rather than dart; while batsmen will be given a fair exchange - the wicket is good enough to post a 300, if you have the concentration to focus for long and has the technique to survive unplayable bowling (not unplayable balls on wicket's credit - that's a shooter or a cracker from good length after 1st day).

Batting is an unique art - extremely monotonous job, but highest level of perfectionist job. That skill is learned on match condition, and it's often self learned. I read the biggest misconception of cricket in PP - "play on tougher wickets, batsmen will improve" - it can't be more wrong anything in cricket. I give a classic example - IND has about 35 FC teams in Ranji (probably more) and in their FC cricket hardly any foreigners play, in fact hardly any Indian International plays - bottom line is Abu Nechim, Ashok Dinda, Rana Dev Bose, Binay Kumar, Md. Siraj, Rishi Dhawan ...... are the PRIME FAST BOWLERS in Ranji - still Indian batsmen are among best in world. If I come to BD, Tamim, Shakib, Mushi, Momin plays pacers worse than League cricket of Birmingham, still ....

Batting is self learned skill with the help/mentoring of a learned coach - by being in middle. Best medicine for a batsman is to give him an absolute belter, and a decent attack to face - then tell him, every thing is in your favor - bat for 12 hours and score 343 ............ Umar Akmal won't do that against a club team in 10 attempts, but Jadeja has 2 FC Triple ...... This is exactly the reason why Babar's LO average is over 50, Test average is under 25 - his batting skills and techniques are fantastic - absolutely no issues there, at least with my little knowledge, I haven't seen anything that should suggest why his Test average shouldn't be close to his LO average.

What's first worse???
 
Boundaries need to be at their maximum limit, not so far in. The outfields are lighting fast in Pakistan ...
 
Both Sammy and Sarfaraz mentioned the same thing. The reason why batsmen struggle in the UAE is due to the slow dry nature of the UAE wickets. The ball comes on to the bat much better in Pakistan and the Pakistani players are also more comfortable on their wickets which is why they perform much better at home.
 
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