Dilbar Hussain's performance watch with Melbourne Stars

[MenInG]

Dilbar maybe playing his first game of BBL10 soon

Melbourne Stars vs Brisbane Heat, 2nd Match (8:15 AM GMT, 7:15 PM LOCAL)

Dilbar playing in this game

Good luck to him.

 

[Caved12]

Excited to see him play for Stars today! I think he is really good as a bowler and needs time to get familiar with the world of cricket since he only started playing hard ball cricket few years ago. Back to back years in Australia should help him learn the art of bowling and nobody can teach him better than these Australians. Good luck brother!

 

[Caved12]

David said that he can bat as well? Can he?

 

[Thunderbolt14]

David said that he can bat as well? Can he?

Not for his life. He’s also at number 11 in the Stars which is unsurprising.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Not for his life. He’s also at number 11 in the Stars which is unsurprising.

He can tonk a few.

 

[angrypathan]

148.7 kph Just his first over.

Should have had a wicket too but Fletcher made a meal of the catch

 

[KoyoAli]

Really impressive first over. And clocked 148 kph. LQ has really unearthed a t20 product, He is the kind of a bowler that you want in t20 cricket.

 

[El Generico]

92 MPH isn’t bad at all. Didn’t know he was this quick.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

I have said this time and again, if this guy was discovered 10 years ago, he would have been an elite fast bowler.
He has tremendous shoulder power, a repeatable action and a dexterous wrist.

All he needed was to learn the art of getting batsmen out, as well as his out-cricket.

Dont know if he has enough time left for all of this, but atleast we should be grateful of the Qalandars that they didnt let a talent like him live a life of complete obscurity.

 

[Mamoon]

I don’t know what his financial situation is like (probably not great) so I am glad he is getting picked in these low budget leagues like BBL and PSL. Even if he plays for 3-4 seasons, he will make enough money to live a good life.

However, if I wanted to watch street cricketers like him and Rauf play, I would look out of the window.

Pakistan national team should not waste their time with two bowlers who will never be international material. It is too late for both.

There is no point hanging our heads over what would have happened if they were discovered X number of years ago.

That ship has now sailed - they didn’t get discovered earlier and now nothing can be done in terms of preparing them for the standards of international cricket.

Then again, the Pakistani cap is very cheap these days. It hardly means anything to call yourself an international cricket in Pakistan anymore. These days, you will find an average cricketer with international cap in every nook and corner of the country.

When the likes of Ahsan Ali, Rafatullah, Shakeel Ansar, Haris Rauf etc. can call themselves international cricketers, then perhaps Dilbar should be extended the same privilege of becoming a 12 T20I and 7 ODIs wonder for Pakistan.

 

[Greenstorm]

On a hatrick now !

 

[KoyoAli]

Dilbar in the game so far 3 Overs 2 Wickets 19 Runs. Almost got a Hattrick. Bowling well

 

[Rana]

MashaAllah. Always backed him and want him to do well. However he must address this no ball issue. He bowled a 5nb in the over where he took 2 wickets.

i want him to become our 2nd, 3rd seamer in the national side but his no ball issue if not resolved will cost us big time in a crucial game.

 

[Mamoon]

BBL is a terrible league. Low budget and thus low quality. Even top Australian players do not take it seriously.

People are easily impressed because it is Australia, the stadium infrastructure is great, the cameras are great and the overall production is top notch. They also regularly introduce funky gimmicks to grab attention.

However, in terms of the actual quality of cricket, it is nothing. Probably on par with PSL and LPL which means well below international standards. You can judge that by the underwhelming roster of foreign players.

The top Australian players are mostly sitting out or they treat it like net practice and use if for warmup.

It is clear that CA does not take BBL seriously in terms of quality. It is just a side venture to make easy money. It is the same for ECB regarding their T20 league, but they are focused on The Hundred which will have a very impressive international roster, perhaps only a shade behind IPL.

 

[Rana]

BBL is a terrible league. Low budget and thus low quality. Even top Australian players do not take it seriously.

People are easily impressed because it is Australia, the stadium infrastructure is great, the cameras are great and the overall production is top notch. They also regularly introduce funky gimmicks to grab attention.

However, in terms of the actual quality of cricket, it is nothing. Probably on par with PSL and LPL which means well below international standards. You can judge that by the underwhelming roster of foreign players.

The top Australian players are mostly sitting out or they treat it like net practice and use if for warmup.

It is clear that CA does not take BBL seriously in terms of quality. It is just a side venture to make easy money. It is the same for ECB regarding their T20 league, but they are focused on The Hundred which will have a very impressive international roster, perhaps only a shade behind IPL.

keep crying now that your poor judgement in player identity is being exposed again

 

[angrypathan]

2-25. Great start to the season

 

[Rajdeep]

Dilbar in the game so far 3 Overs 2 Wickets 19 Runs. Almost got a Hattrick. Bowling well

This is on a game where Nile Counter Nile's figures are 3 overs 5 runs 3 wickets

Nothing against Dilbar but batting is outrageous...lol. And people compare this league with IPL...hahaha

 

[Mamoon]

keep crying now that your poor judgement in player identity is being exposed again

Pakistani fans are always so excitable. It literally takes nothing for them to get excited and serve humble pies, only for the reality to dawn on them eventually.

I will accept my “poor judgement” if both of these vaunted street cricketers become quality international performers and do well against the top sides over long periods of time.

But I will not distribute mithai because they are doing well in low budget leagues or against our arch rivals Zimbabwe.

Furthermore, I am also not interested in reading essays on what would or could have happened had we discovered these street cricketers X number of years ago. That ship has sailed and that narrative is also boring.

 

[MenInG]

Pakistani fans are always so excitable. It literally takes nothing for them to get excited and serve humble pies, only for the reality to dawn on them eventually.

I will accept my “poor judgement” if both of these vaunted street cricketers become quality international performers and do well against the top sides over long periods of time.

But I will not distribute mithai because they are doing well in low budget leagues or against our arch rivals Zimbabwe.

Furthermore, I am also not interested in reading essays on what would or could have happened had we discovered these street cricketers X number of years ago. That ship has sailed and that narrative is also boring.

In the meantime, here is something for Pakistan cricket fans to enjoy

 

[Rajdeep]

Coulter Nile 4 wickets for 10 runs now. Outrageous batting...lol.

 

[Rana]

If this was a one off I wouldnt be making such a big deal over it, but for too long we have had highly mediocre arm chair critics presenting poor assessments over some players because of their poor backgrounds rather than actual ability.

Dilbar has been consistently improving since he was discovered in the BBL alongside Rauf, look at how well the or a Australian coaching system has benefited him.

 

[Rana]

In the meantime, here is something for Pakistan cricket fans to enjoy

Goldberg and stone cold of PSL!

I so wish one day these two make a segment on smashing cans into each other with glass breaking left right and centre!!!

 

[RyanRyan10]

This is on a game where Nile Counter Nile's figures are 3 overs 5 runs 3 wickets

Nothing against Dilbar but batting is outrageous...lol. And people compare this league with IPL...hahaha

BBL is not even better than PSL and CPL

 

[Rana]

Coulter Nile 4 wickets for 10 runs now. Outrageous batting...lol.

What about Yuzendra Chahal, Deepak Chahar, Thakur and Saini not having a clue on how to bowl in Australia but absolutely killing it in the IPL?

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Pakistani fans are always so excitable. It literally takes nothing for them to get excited and serve humble pies, only for the reality to dawn on them eventually.

I will accept my “poor judgement” if both of these vaunted street cricketers become quality international performers and do well against the top sides over long periods of time.

But I will not distribute mithai because they are doing well in low budget leagues or against our arch rivals Zimbabwe.

Furthermore, I am also not interested in reading essays on what would or could have happened had we discovered these street cricketers X number of years ago. That ship has sailed and that narrative is also boring.

Ok, so that narrative is boring?

What about the "if Karun Nair and Shreyas Iyer batted with only tailenders in the team so that they could have confidence in their abilities, had nice neighbours, and were Pakistani, they would be better than Babar".

I am sure everyone finds this very enchanting.

 

[Rajdeep]

What about Yuzendra Chahal, Deepak Chahar, Thakur and Saini not having a clue on how to bowl in Australia but absolutely killing it in the IPL?

Interesting how you remove Natarajan's name from your hate list as you were pretty vocal about him before. Anyway Chahal won a game with man of the match performance and Thakur (who is a flop in IPL) also bowled decently. Not sure what your point is.

Also why would you bring Indian bowlers in discussion here anyway? BBL is a poor tournament and as someone mentioned above, its even lower quality than PSL and CPL.

I would not celebrate 2 wickets of Dilbar like you are doing in a match where Coulter Nile looks like McGrath.

 

[Rana]

Interesting how you remove Natarajan's name from your hate list as you were pretty vocal about him before. Anyway Chahal won a game with man of the match performance and Thakur (who is a flop in IPL) also bowled decently. Not sure what your point is.

Also why would you bring Indian bowlers in discussion here anyway? BBL is a poor tournament and as someone mentioned above, its even lower quality than PSL and CPL.

I would not celebrate 2 wickets of Dilbar like you are doing in a match where Coulter Nile looks like McGrath.

I removed his name from my list because Im not unjust in my assessments unlike others here. Natarajan didnt prove me wrong, he just exceeded in what I expected from him and this is more due to his ability to bowl well in the death, and I don't think I have ever denied his death bowling/yorker delivery.

And I am not celebrating Dilbar just for today's match. I have been pushing, promoting him for ages because I think he should be in the Pakistan side for the T20i world cup in 2020. But it seems our 'experts' are content with the mediocrity that we have become accustomed too as it provides them a value on this forum due to a high rise in individual stocks through consistent Pakistani cricketer bashing.

You cannot accuse me of not supporting Dilbar throughout!

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION]

Remember what I said earlier - I know the reality of Pakistan cricket like the back of my hand. You can call me arrogant if you wish, but it is the truth.

If I make 100 predictions about Pakistan cricket, 90% of the time, if not more, I will be proved right.

Remember what I told you midway during the 1st Test in England last summer after Pakistan secured a 100 runs lead.

I said that England have got Pakistan in the right position and if they can get us out in the third innings for around 150, we will lose the game ourselves and will not be able to wrestle back the lost momentum.

This is just one out of thousand examples. I can go on and on and on.

Remember when you wrote my name down a paper when I told you that Naseem will fail in England and you said you will humiliate me when he runs through England?

And then you had to throw the piece of paper away because he took 3 wickets in 3 Tests at an average of 70?

Well get another piece of paper out and you can write down my name and humiliate me if Haris and Dilbar perform against the top teams in the world in international cricket.

I am telling you now. It is not going to happen. However, if you want to live in a fantasy world only to suffer disappointment later, it is your choice.

I am often asked if I feel disappointment when Pakistan loses, well the answer is no. I don’t feel disappointment because most of the time, I can already see what is happening.

You don’t need any special powers. All you need is experience of watching and studying the game and viewing without emotions and irrationality.

Unfortunately, most of our fans cannot distinguish between what they want to happen and what they know is actually going to happen.

You sound like a man of reasonable intelligence. You have always watched the game for a decent amount of time. Surely you must know that neither Rauf nor Dilbar will amount to anything in the long run.

Unfortunately, your desire for them to do well is so great that it has overpowered your rational judgement, and when that happens to a person, he becomes delusional.

That is all that I will write on these two players for now because I don’t want to repeat myself over and over again. I have already said everything I need to say, so I will let time prove me right again.

I will bow out of Rauf and Dilbar’s threads and only show up in the future when they both fail and are discarded and people tag me and remind me that I was write about them. Big don’t worry, I will not rub it in.

After all, you have the best interests of Pakistan cricket in your heart and a burning desire to see your team well.

 

[Bewal Express]

92 MPH isn’t bad at all. Didn’t know he was this quick.

He is and has more in the tank if he just lengths his run up by 5M. That is an incredible natural talent but needs consistency of action to be consistently effective. Well Done Dilbar

 

[cricketjoshila]

What about Yuzendra Chahal, Deepak Chahar, Thakur and Saini not having a clue on how to bowl in Australia but absolutely killing it in the IPL?

They were bowling against the Aussie national team and not some domestic league team.

Coulter Nile got plenty of stick in the IPL. Here he has 4 wickets for 10 runs.

Dilbar may be or may not be international standard, but his worth is far better judged in Pakistan FC cricket than BBL.

 

[Khan12]

BBL is a terrible league. Low budget and thus low quality. Even top Australian players do not take it seriously.

People are easily impressed because it is Australia, the stadium infrastructure is great, the cameras are great and the overall production is top notch. They also regularly introduce funky gimmicks to grab attention.

However, in terms of the actual quality of cricket, it is nothing. Probably on par with PSL and LPL which means well below international standards. You can judge that by the underwhelming roster of foreign players.

The top Australian players are mostly sitting out or they treat it like net practice and use if for warmup.

It is clear that CA does not take BBL seriously in terms of quality. It is just a side venture to make easy money. It is the same for ECB regarding their T20 league, but they are focused on The Hundred which will have a very impressive international roster, perhaps only a shade behind IPL.

Agreed. Just like how maxwell treated it as a net session and didn't take it seriously. It has made some prominent Indians cry in fact they are still crying. We saw what maxwell did in actual cricket. I mean international cricket lower then IPL.

 

[Hasan123]

Definitely worth a go in T20s. He has done well in the PSL and he has character.

Not sure he will amount to much in tests and ODIs but don't mind him having a chance in T20s.

 

[Rajdeep]

Agreed. Just like how maxwell treated it as a net session and didn't take it seriously. It has made some prominent Indians cry in fact they are still crying. We saw what maxwell did in actual cricket. I mean international cricket lower then IPL.

What did he do? Sorry you do realize right that India won the series in the end?

 

[Khan12]

What did he do? Sorry you do realize right that India won the series in the end?

Yes I forgot India won the odis. Sorry.

 

[Finisher]

They were bowling against the Aussie national team and not some domestic league team.

Coulter Nile got plenty of stick in the IPL. Here he has 4 wickets for 10 runs.

Dilbar may be or may not be international standard, but his worth is far better judged in Pakistan FC cricket than BBL.

Is that why NCNs numbers are the near enough the same in the IPL and BBL

BBL 51 Matches 60 wickets ER 7.47 Average 22.2 strikerate 17.9

IPL 41 Wickets ER 7.71 Average 22.56 Strikerate 17.5

Really?

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Impressive start in the Big Bash League for Dilbar Hussain 2-25 from 4 overs for Melbourne Stars against Brisbane Heat <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BBL?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BBL</a> <a href="https://t.co/ZnAtQaC0ZM">pic.twitter.com/ZnAtQaC0ZM</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1337342384376602629?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2020</a></blockquote>
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[UzmanBeast]

Pakistani fans are always so excitable. It literally takes nothing for them to get excited and serve humble pies, only for the reality to dawn on them eventually.

I will accept my “poor judgement” if both of these vaunted street cricketers become quality international performers and do well against the top sides over long periods of time.

But I will not distribute mithai because they are doing well in low budget leagues or against our arch rivals Zimbabwe.

Furthermore, I am also not interested in reading essays on what would or could have happened had we discovered these street cricketers X number of years ago. That ship has sailed and that narrative is also boring.

I agree that whilst Dilbar might be performing in the BBL, he won't play for Pakistan any time soon. He is at the back of a long queue, which is something fans tend not to understand. There's Shaheen, Haris, Wahab, Amir, Hasnain, Shinwari, Musa, and even more until we reach Dilbar Hussain.

Unless he delivers breathtaking performances on a platform that the PCB considers to be good enough for selection, I doubt that he will ever make the team.

We as a team cannot be focussed on too many fast bowlers at a time. Whilst there are some relatively refined players in the circuit, like Amir, Wahab, Shinwari, etc., we are focussing on providing a platform for players like Hasnain, Shaheen, Rauf, and others to make them into formidable bowling options.

We need to start sorting what we need from the inexplicable urge of our fans to "gas" the tires of some random youngster. We played Musa in Australia and paid the price. Do we want to go down that path and change our bowling attack every series? The logical answer would be no. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not considering how poor our performances have been whenever we have changed our bowling attack. We have not even maintained consistency in our test bowling attack, which seems to change every year.

He can perform in all of these leagues, but the fact of the matter is that the management has already identified a set of players who they will keep a close eye on, and frankly, Dilbar isn't one of them at the moment. If he keeps performing, he might find a way to become one of these players, but there is no need for him at the moment. I'd rather invest in a 20-year-old Hasnain than a 28-year-old Dilbar Hussain

 

[Rana]

[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION]

Remember what I said earlier - I know the reality of Pakistan cricket like the back of my hand. You can call me arrogant if you wish, but it is the truth.

If I make 100 predictions about Pakistan cricket, 90% of the time, if not more, I will be proved right.

Remember what I told you midway during the 1st Test in England last summer after Pakistan secured a 100 runs lead.

I said that England have got Pakistan in the right position and if they can get us out in the third innings for around 150, we will lose the game ourselves and will not be able to wrestle back the lost momentum.

This is just one out of thousand examples. I can go on and on and on.

Remember when you wrote my name down a paper when I told you that Naseem will fail in England and you said you will humiliate me when he runs through England?

And then you had to throw the piece of paper away because he took 3 wickets in 3 Tests at an average of 70?

Well get another piece of paper out and you can write down my name and humiliate me if Haris and Dilbar perform against the top teams in the world in international cricket.

I am telling you now. It is not going to happen. However, if you want to live in a fantasy world only to suffer disappointment later, it is your choice.

I am often asked if I feel disappointment when Pakistan loses, well the answer is no. I don’t feel disappointment because most of the time, I can already see what is happening.

You don’t need any special powers. All you need is experience of watching and studying the game and viewing without emotions and irrationality.

Unfortunately, most of our fans cannot distinguish between what they want to happen and what they know is actually going to happen.

You sound like a man of reasonable intelligence. You have always watched the game for a decent amount of time. Surely you must know that neither Rauf nor Dilbar will amount to anything in the long run.

Unfortunately, your desire for them to do well is so great that it has overpowered your rational judgement, and when that happens to a person, he becomes delusional.

That is all that I will write on these two players for now because I don’t want to repeat myself over and over again. I have already said everything I need to say, so I will let time prove me right again.

I will bow out of Rauf and Dilbar’s threads and only show up in the future when they both fail and are discarded and people tag me and remind me that I was write about them. Big don’t worry, I will not rub it in.

After all, you have the best interests of Pakistan cricket in your heart and a burning desire to see your team well.

First and foremost, who in their right senses has ever demanded/predicted that Rauf and Dilbar will become or are already world class standard? Who is demanding them, projecting them two to become the next Brett lee and Shaun Tait, or Shoaib Akhtar and Mohammad Sami? Rauf was the first 150kmh bowler from Pakistan to emerge since Wahab Riaz debuted in 2010, so I can understand why some of our fans went nuts over him considering India had produced a couple of 145kmh+ bowlers, Rauf altogether is a different case, different type of bowler.

Dilbar on the other hand 'is not cut from the same cloth', and given his age he probably has 6-8 years left as a 145kmh bowler. What I and others see in Dilbar is the potential to provide much needed stability and control as a 3rd seamer to the Pakistan attack (in T20s and ODIs to some extent) which desperately needs it at times when they are just being pumped by the likes of England, Australia, New Zealand and even South Africa up to some extent. Do you honestly see anyone else in the current Pakistan set up to provide us some useful overs in such situations?

Wahab Riaz is in favour with the management, he probably has a couple of years left at maximum. Mohammad Amir is a reliable bowler, but there are plenty of question marks about him if he cannot get the ball to move early on. Shaheen is hot and cold, quality is not in doubt but consistently most certainly is. Then you have the likes of Musa and Faheem who seem to be showing no signs of improvement no matter how much they are backed by the management. We have Shinwari who is an absolute risk, gamble to play! The only decent potential besides these names mentioned is Hasnain, we are yet to see him bowl against the stronger sides after being hardened up from his first international stint, subsequent PSL and exposure to CPL.

With this current scenario in hand, how does a bowler like Dilbar not improve our current bowling attack in limited overs cricket? I shared the statistics of the 2020 PSL, he was on par with Shaheen Afridi. His ability to bowl to world class batsmen is also unquestionable, he bowled fantastic overs to Faf Du Plesis, Alex Hales and Babar Azam in the PSL play offs and Final (all must win games for lahore). Can you honestly tell me another bowler in Pakistan right now who can jump the queue ahead of Dilbar and confidently try to deliver against England, India, Australia and New Zealand?

Wherever I am supportive of a talent, I do not ever claim that he is 100% ready or is the answer due to whatever good I have seen of him. I consistently reiterate Dilbar has a serious no ball, over stepping problem, and this scares me because whilst I see Dilbar as a bowler who can be trusted to bowl in crunch situations, no balls can be the reason for a game to tilt in favour of the batting as well in those situations. I have seen enough cricket, enough tense battles lost due to a bowler over stepping the mark when the game was in the balance, and the last thing I would want is Dilbar being the reason why his side could not get the job done.

It is not his fault that he was not enrolled into an academy by his parents at the age of 9-10 for him to be given the professional coaching that could have lead him to become the best fast bowler he could have been. His circumstances were different like many others, but what is great to see is that the chapter we have opened in his life is a very good one and a much needed one for Pakistan cricket.

I would like Pakistan's pace attack to consist of the following names because of their T20 bowling skills rather than which village they belong to in Punjab:

Tier 1

1. Wahab Riaz
2. Dilbar Hussain
3. Shaheen Shah

Tier 2

4. Mohammad Amir
5. Mohammad Hasnain
6. Harris Rauf

Tier 3

7. Waqas Maqsood
8. Mohammad Ilyas
9. Arshad Iqbal

Tier 4

10. Faheem Ashraf
11. Musa Khan
12. Naseem Shah

The problem I see with Pakistan cricket at the moment is that the management seem more inclined on resorting to the less deserving tier 4 bowlers whereas there are far, far better bowlers in tier 3, and those guys hardly get any mention or recognition.

Trust me pal, I would love to find a solution to issues instead of hyping up players for the sake of it, or writing off players for the sake of it. Dilbar to me is a solution to a problem rather than a dream of becoming the great Australia pace attack of Mcgrath, Lee and Gillespie.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Tom Curran is English so he is automatically among the top bowlers in world cricket.

Outside Archer, every one of English bowlers are trash particularly outside England.

In tests I rate broad and Anderson only in swing conditions.

 

[BDfanforever]

I think BBL is pretty entertaining as their production quality is top notch. Also, overall local talent is quite good.

However, I think they are very racist.

 

[choudhary6964]

As expected dilbar did well in the first game.He is way too talented.He has everything to become successful in T20is and Odis.

 

[tyron_woodley]

I think BBL is pretty entertaining as their production quality is top notch. Also, overall local talent is quite good.

However, I think they are very racist.

Why do you say that? How are they racist?

 

[BDfanforever]

Why do you say that? How are they racist?

There is not much diversity. Even the desi/asian players they select can easily blend right in.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Expect people to praise BBL all year and then call it low quality when Dilbar has a good game.

It’s a decently good league. And he performed quite well for those standards.

 

[MenInG]

Expect people to praise BBL all year and then call it low quality when Dilbar has a good game.

It’s a decently good league. And he performed quite well for those standards.

I wouldnt be too bothered by the IPL is good, rest is bad brigade.

Main thing for us is to keep an eye on our boy and from what we have seen so far, he is doing well.

 

[shamaan]

Expect people to praise BBL all year and then call it low quality when Dilbar has a good game.

It’s a decently good league. And he performed quite well for those standards.

Remmeber when Pakistan players play they are mediore and not talented the only talent that emergence is from india even if they fail is alot of games

 

[tyron_woodley]

Expect people to praise BBL all year and then call it low quality when Dilbar has a good game.

It’s a decently good league. And he performed quite well for those standards.

If dilbar is good, he is good.
A good player will be good anywhere.

 

[choudhary6964]

He got the wicket of Usman khawaja although Usman was unlucky there.

 

[NoBallZombie]

First and foremost, who in their right senses has ever demanded/predicted that Rauf and Dilbar will become or are already world class standard? Who is demanding them, projecting them two to become the next Brett lee and Shaun Tait, or Shoaib Akhtar and Mohammad Sami? Rauf was the first 150kmh bowler from Pakistan to emerge since Wahab Riaz debuted in 2010, so I can understand why some of our fans went nuts over him considering India had produced a couple of 145kmh+ bowlers, Rauf altogether is a different case, different type of bowler.

Dilbar on the other hand 'is not cut from the same cloth', and given his age he probably has 6-8 years left as a 145kmh bowler. What I and others see in Dilbar is the potential to provide much needed stability and control as a 3rd seamer to the Pakistan attack (in T20s and ODIs to some extent) which desperately needs it at times when they are just being pumped by the likes of England, Australia, New Zealand and even South Africa up to some extent. Do you honestly see anyone else in the current Pakistan set up to provide us some useful overs in such situations?

Wahab Riaz is in favour with the management, he probably has a couple of years left at maximum. Mohammad Amir is a reliable bowler, but there are plenty of question marks about him if he cannot get the ball to move early on. Shaheen is hot and cold, quality is not in doubt but consistently most certainly is. Then you have the likes of Musa and Faheem who seem to be showing no signs of improvement no matter how much they are backed by the management. We have Shinwari who is an absolute risk, gamble to play! The only decent potential besides these names mentioned is Hasnain, we are yet to see him bowl against the stronger sides after being hardened up from his first international stint, subsequent PSL and exposure to CPL.

With this current scenario in hand, how does a bowler like Dilbar not improve our current bowling attack in limited overs cricket? I shared the statistics of the 2020 PSL, he was on par with Shaheen Afridi. His ability to bowl to world class batsmen is also unquestionable, he bowled fantastic overs to Faf Du Plesis, Alex Hales and Babar Azam in the PSL play offs and Final (all must win games for lahore). Can you honestly tell me another bowler in Pakistan right now who can jump the queue ahead of Dilbar and confidently try to deliver against England, India, Australia and New Zealand?

Wherever I am supportive of a talent, I do not ever claim that he is 100% ready or is the answer due to whatever good I have seen of him. I consistently reiterate Dilbar has a serious no ball, over stepping problem, and this scares me because whilst I see Dilbar as a bowler who can be trusted to bowl in crunch situations, no balls can be the reason for a game to tilt in favour of the batting as well in those situations. I have seen enough cricket, enough tense battles lost due to a bowler over stepping the mark when the game was in the balance, and the last thing I would want is Dilbar being the reason why his side could not get the job done.

It is not his fault that he was not enrolled into an academy by his parents at the age of 9-10 for him to be given the professional coaching that could have lead him to become the best fast bowler he could have been. His circumstances were different like many others, but what is great to see is that the chapter we have opened in his life is a very good one and a much needed one for Pakistan cricket.

I would like Pakistan's pace attack to consist of the following names because of their T20 bowling skills rather than which village they belong to in Punjab:

Tier 1

1. Wahab Riaz
2. Dilbar Hussain
3. Shaheen Shah

Tier 2

4. Mohammad Amir
5. Mohammad Hasnain
6. Harris Rauf

Tier 3

7. Waqas Maqsood
8. Mohammad Ilyas
9. Arshad Iqbal

Tier 4

10. Faheem Ashraf
11. Musa Khan
12. Naseem Shah

The problem I see with Pakistan cricket at the moment is that the management seem more inclined on resorting to the less deserving tier 4 bowlers whereas there are far, far better bowlers in tier 3, and those guys hardly get any mention or recognition.

Trust me pal, I would love to find a solution to issues instead of hyping up players for the sake of it, or writing off players for the sake of it. Dilbar to me is a solution to a problem rather than a dream of becoming the great Australia pace attack of Mcgrath, Lee and Gillespie.

Interesting that you have put Naseem as a tier 4 bowler. Wahab Riaz, even though preferred by management, is on his last legs and should only be used as a back up ... and I have never actually seen Wahab learn anything new. He is exactly how he was in his first match i.e. would run in and bowl with a slanted wrist... if there is a rough square, he would get reverse otherwise he is gun barrel straight. For Haris Rauf, I see a reflection of Wahab unfortunately. He has (over) aggression but doesnt seem to be using his head. Naseem on the other hand looks like he thinks about his bowling.

Dilber, I agree, looks like a potentially good bowler. However, his only utility may be in T20s and none of the longer formats. Unfortunately, the current management does not look like they understand the "horses for courses" strategy.

 

[MenInG]

He got the wicket of Usman khawaja although Usman was unlucky there.

Well he appealed and got the wicket


Dilbar Hussain to Khawaja, out Caught by Ben Dunk!! Oh dear! Khawaja looks very unhappy as he's given the marching orders, think he has a reason to do so, seemed like daylight between bat and pad - he shuffled a long way across on the paddle sweep, there was a noise as the ball slowly looped towards the keeper. The appeal was spontaneous and the umpire was quick to raise his finger - replays suggest that the ball clipped the pad on its way to the keeper. More replays in: Can't say conclusively, but think it was Khawaja's bat which hit the pad with a ball a long way away. Anyway, a poor call from the umpire. Khawaja c Ben Dunk b Dilbar Hussain 7(7) [4s-1]

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION]

I appreciate the effort you put into your last post and it deserved a reply.

Again - I don’t see him doing well against the top sides in the long run and I don’t see him as a viable option as a third pacer.

If you do see that potential in him, good for you, but my point is that you are only setting yourself up for disappointment.

But knowing Pakistani fans, this guy might take a wicket in his first over against England or Australia, his fans will serve humble pie, but then he will end the series with poor figures and the “haters” will have the last laugh.

You are right that it is not his fault that he was not enrolled in an academy and didn’t become part of the setup at age 9 or 10.

However, it is not my fault either. I cannot rate him based on what he could have become in a parallel universe; I can only rate him based on what he is now, and he is not international material other than playing against our arch rivals like Zimbabwe. It is too late for him now.

As far as alternatives are concerned, you are right that we don’t have many options besides him, but that doesn’t mean that we should have unrealistic expectations from him.

The reality is that Pakistan’s pace bowling arsenal is very poor. Apart from Shaheen who is borderline world class, there are no genuine prospects.

You know things are bad and you have a talent crisis when street bowlers like Rauf and Dilbar are the big hopes in white ball cricket and someone like Naseem is under no threat of losing his place in the Test side and is still getting hyped to the moon in spite of flopping big time in Australia and England.

 

[MenInG]

Dilbar was limping across on his follow through and he seems to have pulled something. He is off for now

 

[Rana]

[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION]

I appreciate the effort you put into your last post and it deserved a reply.

Again - I don’t see him doing well against the top sides in the long run and I don’t see him as a viable option as a third pacer.

If you do see that potential in him, good for you, but my point is that you are only setting yourself up for disappointment.

But knowing Pakistani fans, this guy might take a wicket in his first over against England or Australia, his fans will serve humble pie, but then he will end the series with poor figures and the “haters” will have the last laugh.

You are right that it is not his fault that he was not enrolled in an academy and didn’t become part of the setup at age 9 or 10.

However, it is not my fault either. I cannot rate him based on what he could have become in a parallel universe; I can only rate him based on what he is now, and he is not international material other than playing against our arch rivals like Zimbabwe. It is too late for him now.

As far as alternatives are concerned, you are right that we don’t have many options besides him, but that doesn’t mean that we should have unrealistic expectations from him.

The reality is that Pakistan’s pace bowling arsenal is very poor. Apart from Shaheen who is borderline world class, there are no genuine prospects.

You know things are bad and you have a talent crisis when street bowlers like Rauf and Dilbar are the big hopes in white ball cricket and someone like Naseem is under no threat of losing his place in the Test side and is still getting hyped to the moon in spite of flopping big time in Australia and England.

OK, so you do understand that the issue we have with you is not your consistent criticism of the side, but it is the fact that you provide no sensible alternative which could be better than what we already have. This is why I agree with senior posters here when they ask for you to provide a sensible analysis from the grassroots level threads or the talent spotter threads. How about you also take the time out like the way good posters who want to see a positive outcome for Pakistan cricket do. Special mentions for [MENTION=151892]Thunderbolt14[/MENTION] who takes a special keen likeness to Pakistan's domestic resources and provides a postive/constructive criticism to the side.

I listed all of our bowling resources into Tiers based on T20 performance and ability to deliver against highly destructive batsmen. I get that you dont want give players like Rauf and Dilbar a chance, but who then do you propose as the reliable 2nd/3rd seamers and why? How is Mohammad Amir being the bowler that he currently is the better option than Rauf and Dilbar?

Also note, Amir is as 'Street Cricket' as Dilbar and Rauf. Wasim Akram and Mohammad Asif were also street cricketers, so was Shoaib Akhtar. Tell me a single world class bowler for Pakistan who was not picked up from the streets? Who was actually a part of a coaching system at the age of 9-10 and was groomed from that system into a 200+ Test wicket taker? Pakistan has the resources of the streets just like Brazil have its flavelas, you are bound to find gems from such raw places as long as your scouting system is correct. Yes it involves risks and gambles, but it can also be highly rewarding

So the point is, you seem to be writing off Dilbar due to his background instead of his actual bowling ability. I therefore ask you once again, what is he lacking as a bowler that you see in bowling attacks such as Englands:

Archer
Sam Curran
Tom Curran
Chris Jordan

Indias:

Bumrah
Shami
Saini Natarajan

Australia:

Cummins
Starc
Sams
Tye

New Zealand:

Boult
Southee
Furgeouson
Henry

This is their plan A bowling attacks. Who would and should be in Pakstan's plan A bowling attack in the T20i world cup for 2021 according to you?

 

[Rana]

Interesting that you have put Naseem as a tier 4 bowler. Wahab Riaz, even though preferred by management, is on his last legs and should only be used as a back up ... and I have never actually seen Wahab learn anything new. He is exactly how he was in his first match i.e. would run in and bowl with a slanted wrist... if there is a rough square, he would get reverse otherwise he is gun barrel straight. For Haris Rauf, I see a reflection of Wahab unfortunately. He has (over) aggression but doesnt seem to be using his head. Naseem on the other hand looks like he thinks about his bowling.

Dilber, I agree, looks like a potentially good bowler. However, his only utility may be in T20s and none of the longer formats. Unfortunately, the current management does not look like they understand the "horses for courses" strategy.

From what I have seen and followed closely in International cricket+T20 franchise cricket, Wahab Riaz looks like our best T20 bowler. No shame in arguing this, even though he isnt on par with the likes of Bumrah, Boult, Rabada, Archer and Cummins.

Wahab really has played enough cricket where in the twilight of his career he is bowling with the variations and lines that have been necessary when bowling to world class hitters. This is just my opinion. From What I saw in Naseem Shah at the PSL, he has a long way to go. This is fine, he is young and this kind of exposure is highly necessary for his development as a pace bowler, but to say that he is better than the 9-10 names before him is grave injustice. There are probably 10-15 English fast bowlers in the domestic system who are better than James Anderson the T20 bowler, even though Anderson has 600 Test wickets.

 

[Mamoon]

OK, so you do understand that the issue we have with you is not your consistent criticism of the side, but it is the fact that you provide no sensible alternative which could be better than what we already have. This is why I agree with senior posters here when they ask for you to provide a sensible analysis from the grassroots level threads or the talent spotter threads. How about you also take the time out like the way good posters who want to see a positive outcome for Pakistan cricket do. Special mentions for [MENTION=151892]Thunderbolt14[/MENTION] who takes a special keen likeness to Pakistan's domestic resources and provides a postive/constructive criticism to the side.

I listed all of our bowling resources into Tiers based on T20 performance and ability to deliver against highly destructive batsmen. I get that you dont want give players like Rauf and Dilbar a chance, but who then do you propose as the reliable 2nd/3rd seamers and why? How is Mohammad Amir being the bowler that he currently is the better option than Rauf and Dilbar?

Also note, Amir is as 'Street Cricket' as Dilbar and Rauf. Wasim Akram and Mohammad Asif were also street cricketers, so was Shoaib Akhtar. Tell me a single world class bowler for Pakistan who was not picked up from the streets? Who was actually a part of a coaching system at the age of 9-10 and was groomed from that system into a 200+ Test wicket taker? Pakistan has the resources of the streets just like Brazil have its flavelas, you are bound to find gems from such raw places as long as your scouting system is correct. Yes it involves risks and gambles, but it can also be highly rewarding

So the point is, you seem to be writing off Dilbar due to his background instead of his actual bowling ability. I therefore ask you once again, what is he lacking as a bowler that you see in bowling attacks such as Englands:

Archer
Sam Curran
Tom Curran
Chris Jordan

Indias:

Bumrah
Shami
Saini Natarajan

Australia:

Cummins
Starc
Sams
Tye

New Zealand:

Boult
Southee
Furgeouson
Henry

This is their plan A bowling attacks. Who would and should be in Pakstan's plan A bowling attack in the T20i world cup for 2021 according to you?

I don’t offers solutions because there are no solutions to Pakistan’s mediocrity. What do you want me to say?

“Pick XYZ, we will become a great team and start beating the top sides and go and have a wonderful life.”

If you want false hopes and fake positivity you will not get that from me.

I don’t have any problem with Dilbar’s background. I am not getting my daughter married off to him that I would worry about his background.

As far as street cricketers are concerned, every Pakistani and Indian cricketer has come through street cricket, but they spent time in a proper cricket setup and honed their skills before they got picked for international cricket.

Asif, Amir and Akhtar all performed in FC cricket or had FC experience before they got picked for Pakistan.

Dilbar has played only 1 FC match in his life and Rauf has 3, and they didn’t set the world on fire either.

Playing low budget T20 cricket is not a substitute for FC experience. Why do you think BCCI is still pumping billions into Ranji Trophy and don’t simply fast-track players from the best league in the world?

The difference between Dilbar and the bowlers that you listed from other countries is they all have proper FC experience and Dilbar doesn’t.

You continue to pick players from club cricket, franchise cricket and streets without FC experience and only 1 in a 100 would shine in international cricket and go on to become top class.

Wasim was fast-tracked without significant FC experience but he was a teenager and a once in a history talent.

Warner smashed South Africa on his T20I debut at the age of 22 without FC experience but Warner is also a rare talent, and the way he played on his debut was testament to his freakish talent.

Dilbar has not shown that he possesses some out of this world ability. He is clearly not another Wasim. More importantly, he is officially 27 already, and this is Pakistani 27 - in reality, he could be 30+ already. It is simply too late for him to become a successful international bowler and people should not pin their hopes on him.

 

[therealAB]

Expect people to praise BBL all year and then call it low quality when Dilbar has a good game.

It’s a decently good league. And he performed quite well for those standards.

You know it's a bit of an arsey format and league though when Manenti is taking poles

 

[MenInG]

As per media report, Dilbar will undergo a scan tomorrow (on Monday) for a left hamstring injury. The Melbourne Stars will provide a further update once they have those results.

Hope all is well and nothing serious.

 

[Ahmed216]

First and foremost, who in their right senses has ever demanded/predicted that Rauf and Dilbar will become or are already world class standard? Who is demanding them, projecting them two to become the next Brett lee and Shaun Tait, or Shoaib Akhtar and Mohammad Sami? Rauf was the first 150kmh bowler from Pakistan to emerge since Wahab Riaz debuted in 2010, so I can understand why some of our fans went nuts over him considering India had produced a couple of 145kmh+ bowlers, Rauf altogether is a different case, different type of bowler.

Dilbar on the other hand 'is not cut from the same cloth', and given his age he probably has 6-8 years left as a 145kmh bowler. What I and others see in Dilbar is the potential to provide much needed stability and control as a 3rd seamer to the Pakistan attack (in T20s and ODIs to some extent) which desperately needs it at times when they are just being pumped by the likes of England, Australia, New Zealand and even South Africa up to some extent. Do you honestly see anyone else in the current Pakistan set up to provide us some useful overs in such situations?

Wahab Riaz is in favour with the management, he probably has a couple of years left at maximum. Mohammad Amir is a reliable bowler, but there are plenty of question marks about him if he cannot get the ball to move early on. Shaheen is hot and cold, quality is not in doubt but consistently most certainly is. Then you have the likes of Musa and Faheem who seem to be showing no signs of improvement no matter how much they are backed by the management. We have Shinwari who is an absolute risk, gamble to play! The only decent potential besides these names mentioned is Hasnain, we are yet to see him bowl against the stronger sides after being hardened up from his first international stint, subsequent PSL and exposure to CPL.

With this current scenario in hand, how does a bowler like Dilbar not improve our current bowling attack in limited overs cricket? I shared the statistics of the 2020 PSL, he was on par with Shaheen Afridi. His ability to bowl to world class batsmen is also unquestionable, he bowled fantastic overs to Faf Du Plesis, Alex Hales and Babar Azam in the PSL play offs and Final (all must win games for lahore). Can you honestly tell me another bowler in Pakistan right now who can jump the queue ahead of Dilbar and confidently try to deliver against England, India, Australia and New Zealand?

Wherever I am supportive of a talent, I do not ever claim that he is 100% ready or is the answer due to whatever good I have seen of him. I consistently reiterate Dilbar has a serious no ball, over stepping problem, and this scares me because whilst I see Dilbar as a bowler who can be trusted to bowl in crunch situations, no balls can be the reason for a game to tilt in favour of the batting as well in those situations. I have seen enough cricket, enough tense battles lost due to a bowler over stepping the mark when the game was in the balance, and the last thing I would want is Dilbar being the reason why his side could not get the job done.

It is not his fault that he was not enrolled into an academy by his parents at the age of 9-10 for him to be given the professional coaching that could have lead him to become the best fast bowler he could have been. His circumstances were different like many others, but what is great to see is that the chapter we have opened in his life is a very good one and a much needed one for Pakistan cricket.

I would like Pakistan's pace attack to consist of the following names because of their T20 bowling skills rather than which village they belong to in Punjab:

Tier 1

1. Wahab Riaz
2. Dilbar Hussain
3. Shaheen Shah

Tier 2

4. Mohammad Amir
5. Mohammad Hasnain
6. Harris Rauf

Tier 3

7. Waqas Maqsood
8. Mohammad Ilyas
9. Arshad Iqbal

Tier 4

10. Faheem Ashraf
11. Musa Khan
12. Naseem Shah

The problem I see with Pakistan cricket at the moment is that the management seem more inclined on resorting to the less deserving tier 4 bowlers whereas there are far, far better bowlers in tier 3, and those guys hardly get any mention or recognition.

Trust me pal, I would love to find a solution to issues instead of hyping up players for the sake of it, or writing off players for the sake of it. Dilbar to me is a solution to a problem rather than a dream of becoming the great Australia pace attack of Mcgrath, Lee and Gillespie.

Bro i think Hassan Ali too can still be a force in international cricket provided he remains fit.

 

[Rana]

Bro i think Hassan Ali too can still be a force in international cricket provided he remains fit.

Obscure Tier 5, the bowlers who slot into Tier 2-3 once they find some game time and fitnes:

13. Akif Javed
14. Hassan Ali
15. Sameen Gul

Write off Tier 6

16. Junaid Khan
17. Mohammad Irfan
18. Umaid Asif

I forgot to add, Usman Shinwari and Anwar Ali can also be put into Tier 4.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Some people have are clairvoyant powers here. I wish they could try their hands with saving the world from future disasters rather than exhausting all their powers on Pakistan Cricket.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Obscure Tier 5, the bowlers who slot into Tier 2-3 once they find some game time and fitnes:

13. Akif Javed
14. Hassan Ali
15. Sameen Gul

Write off Tier 6

16. Junaid Khan
17. Mohammad Irfan
18. Umaid Asif

I forgot to add, Usman Shinwari and Anwar Ali can also be put into Tier 4.

Hssan Ali features in the top tiers now.
He is back to full fitness and form.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Love Dilbar's story. It is good Pakistani players taking opportunities they are offered. Well done to him.

We'll have to see how he does later in his career. Not clairvoyant enough to see how he develops.

 

[shamaan]

Hssan Ali features in the top tiers now.
He is back to full fitness and form.

Id stil say tier 2 but that can change after a couple more games

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Some disappointing news with Dilbar Hussain sidelined for 4-6 weeks with a moderate hamstring strain <br><br>He has a message for Stars fans and his supporters in Pakistan <br><br> for a speedy recovery!<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TeamGreen?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TeamGreen</a> <a href="https://t.co/IV1KYmzyiP">pic.twitter.com/IV1KYmzyiP</a></p>— Melbourne Stars (@StarsBBL) <a href="https://twitter.com/StarsBBL/status/1338724678974619649?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Dilbar maybe playing his first game of BBL10 soon

Melbourne Stars vs Brisbane Heat, 2nd Match (8:15 AM GMT, 7:15 PM LOCAL)

I have said this time and again, if this guy was discovered 10 years ago, he would have been an elite fast bowler.
He has tremendous shoulder power, a repeatable action and a dexterous wrist.

All he needed was to learn the art of getting batsmen out, as well as his out-cricket.

Dont know if he has enough time left for all of this, but atleast we should be grateful of the Qalandars that they didnt let a talent like him live a life of complete obscurity.

I'm always amazed how he generates such pace from that runup. A bit like bumrah in that sense , atleast for me. However, i dont see him as a bowler for the longer formats. Hes 27 and that too officially. Pakistan should stick to grooming Shaheen, Naseem and Hasnain for the long haul along with a tall seamer or two (Arshad and Shaur?) and even for important LOI tournaments. The Dilbars, Musa's , Raufs should only be rotated when those 3 need rest etc. Much like how Australia preserve Starc, Haze and Cummins.

 

[choudhary6964]

Oh man that's very disappointing news.He would have been very good in BBL.Hopefully he will be top wicket taker in PSL.

 

[Hyder]

Where did he go?