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Dinesh Karthik retires from all formats of cricket [Post Updated #355]

Some of our confused and predictable fans who never blamed Pant for any loss in T20 format are jumping on Karthik even though there were other contenders for that loss including Pandya, Rohit and KL. These are the same fans who while defending Pant used to say that opening is quite easy and finishing is difficult but here they are once again changing their colors. :91: :inti
 
Dinesh Karthik is beloved among Indians only because of his personal life issues but sadly he is a massively overrated cricketer.
He is India's most inconsistent cricketer with only couple of match winning knocks since his comeback. He is labelled as cameo specialist by media and some commentators, but he is not managing his game properly.
Better not to talk about his wicket keeping skills. He usually drop couple of chances every match and give away many extras.
Can't believe this man played semifinals of 2019 world cup 🤦🏻*♀️.
Rishabh Pant is equally inconsistent in t20is. India missed the trick by not picking Sanju Samson is their team.

You are right here. India also missed the trick by not selecting another opener preferably Ishan Kishan in place of Hooda. KL is irreplaceable in the current WC squad at the moment. :inti
 
Those average players still have better stats than Pant in this format even after getting less support from team management. I know you blindly worship Pant so you will never realise these things. :inti

Even Kohli had 2-3 years of bizarre form in his career (after all his skills & experience he possessed). So much for stats! I don't know what special "stats" you found with your favorite players! Did they set the stage with fire? When? No wonder rest of the countries are laughing at our team management and outdated followers like you!
 
Fake finisher must be abandoned and make way for Indian version of Gilchrist who is potentially one of the biggest match winner in Indian cricket. He is the next best thing batting left handed since Yuvraj Singh and that goes without saying. :inti
 
The fake finisher was found out today by Tamil Nadu fans....tearing him apart in facebook
 
Even Kohli had 2-3 years of bizarre form in his career (after all his skills & experience he possessed). So much for stats! I don't know what special "stats" you found with your favorite players! Did they set the stage with fire? When? No wonder rest of the countries are laughing at our team management and outdated followers like you!

First of all you are always contradicting in your posts and act like some kind of a smart 'i know it all about you' guy. Secondly, they are not my favorites but they are better options than both Pant and Karthik. I want them to get enough opportunities too. Just because you blindly worship pant, it doesn't mean others are into worshipping players stuff as well. I neither hype these players as the best since sliced bread either nor call them ATGs.

Lastly, if these guys haven't set the stage on fire then when did Pant set the stage on fire in T20s? These two have played less than 20 matches each whereas Pant has played 60+ matches. Pretty sure you will find many such innings from Pant. And stats matters, ask your little brother [MENTION=139595]Ab Fan[/MENTION] about this.

Come back with a logical reply for once and that too with on field performances not some emotional drama type posts. :inti
 
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The Ever Undependable, Always In Motion, Frivolous & Pathetic Mr.Karthik
Dinesh Karthik is not just a perennial passenger and a cipher contributor, he has pathetic body language, which is enough to sink any sports team in the moments of crisis.
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Dinesh Karthik is not just a perennial passenger and a cipher contributor, he has pathetic body language, which is enough to sink any sports team in the moments of crisis.

In the match against Pakistan yesterday, he trod into the middle taking his usual busy strides when India required 16 runs off 5 balls. Akash Chopra kept parroting what a great match finisher DK was. Akash repeated himself so many times, that I wondered if he was trolling DK, or merely setting him up for a bad fall? DK was required to be take the strike, for the concept of crossing-over has been done away with. (Another romantic possibility declared absurd and de-recognized in a bid to provide certainty, but that discussion is for another day). DK received a quick full-toss running down the leg side from Nawaz which would have been hit for six by any half-decent batsman. Kohli did exactly that two balls later. But DK threw kitchen sink at it, could not properly connect, did not clear midwicket, and managed a paltry single. The only good to come out of the outcome was that it brought Virat Kohli on the strike. (Equation – 15 off 4)

VK then hit one down the long on, and the duo ran a quick double. To his credit, Karthik reached the danger end safely, although he did overdo with a quite needless dive. That is quintessential Dinesh for you- he has to overdo the easy stuff, dissipate himself in the process, and then come across as limp and lifeless when the moment of reckoning arrives. (Equation- 13 off 3) Anyway, a six off a no-ball, a wide, a clean bowled on the free-hit and a treble followed, to hand over the decisive advantage to India, who now needed just 2 runs off 2 balls. The only worry for an average Indian fan was that the great finisher, DK, was to take strike on the penultimate ball of the match.

What kind of a target is 2 off 2 in a game of cricket? Forget about the T20 format, even in the first test match in 1877, any player would have welcomed such an opportunity to close out the match. A dab towards the mid-wicket would have fetched a double. A bit finer stroke would have ensured a single, and taken DK off the strike. Worst come to worst, run off the pads, or steal a bye. Two off two, the chance to finish off this great chase with a ball to spare! Akash ‘Mundane’ Chopra

was busy selling the ‘great finisher’ on the Hotstar. “This is what he has been chosen for- to finish matches. Strike Rate of 233 in 20th overs in 2022.” Oh man, to be privileged enough to hold a mike, and then frittering away that opportunity with such lame salesmanship.

Ever a cynic who has full confidence in DK’s ability to mess things up, I had a premonition of sorts as to what lay ahead. You have to give it to the man, he never disappoints. Never trust a man who twists and moves his body around too much without actually affecting any substantial motion. Economy of movement is an indicator of body-under-control, which is a pointer to mind-under-control. Dinesh Karthik had let India down in some match on the day I had joined the service. In more than a decade and a half that has passed by, even cheap Chinese lights have earned some credibility. But, not this man. Full marks for consistency.

The Great Finisher did yesterday what he always does. He ****ed it up. He tried to sweep a very ordinary ball from Nawaz down the leg side. The delivery was neither too quick, nor too slow, had already pitched when it reached him, was drifting down leg anyway, did not stop nor rise upon him abruptly, in other words, was a nothing ball. On the next such ‘nothing’ ball, Ashwin just moved a bit his off stump, and let it go down as a wide. But then Ashwin has brains. And believes in the economy of movement.

DK’s bat could not find the ball, which hit and rose up his pads, brushed against his gloves and fell into the crease just before the keeper, even as the bat completed a majestic follow-through. DK had no idea where the ball was, perhaps he thought he had launched it towards the square leg, and went totally off-balance. Then he saw the ball in Rizwan’s hands, realized he was out of crease and in danger of being stumped or run-out. Karthik made a feeble attempt to drag his bat inside, but was too slow and out of reckoning. It almost felt like his heart was not in it. He fell down, was obviously stumped, gathered his bat, rushed out of the pitch, shook his head, cart-wheeled his bat, dropped it, picked it again and then played a shadow-stroke.

That was when it dawned upon me that the proceedings on the previous ball had actually went in India’s favour. Two runs off the last ball were very doable with Ashwin on the strike and DK safely back in the dugout, busy sorting his demons. Ashwin duly did what he had to, and India romped home thanks to Virat’s greatest innings. But why does the management prefer a very ordinary, forever undependable, Mr Karthik, upon the Great Rishabh Pant, the Conquistador of Gabbatoir, is anyone’s guess.

Do not get me started on Karthik’s keeping either. He never gets sharp catches, moves around a tad too often while standing up to spinners, twitches a lot causing semblance of false motion behind the stumps, sits on his haunches and stands up all the time and never hits the wickets with his throws. What Dhoni achieved every single time, often even without looking in the direction of stumps, DK never does. He also comes across as too lost and frivolous, has no awareness regarding the DRS and does not add any value to the on-field team planning.

He is fit, I give him that, but that is because he moves four times, when once would be enough
 
Dinesh Karthik is not just a perennial passenger and a cipher contributor, he has pathetic body language, which is enough to sink any sports team in the moments of crisis.

In the match against Pakistan yesterday, he trod into the middle taking his usual busy strides when India required 16 runs off 5 balls. Akash Chopra kept parroting what a great match finisher DK was. Akash repeated himself so many times, that I wondered if he was trolling DK, or merely setting him up for a bad fall? DK was required to be take the strike, for the concept of crossing-over has been done away with. (Another romantic possibility declared absurd and de-recognized in a bid to provide certainty, but that discussion is for another day). DK received a quick full-toss running down the leg side from Nawaz which would have been hit for six by any half-decent batsman. Kohli did exactly that two balls later. But DK threw kitchen sink at it, could not properly connect, did not clear midwicket, and managed a paltry single. The only good to come out of the outcome was that it brought Virat Kohli on the strike. (Equation – 15 off 4)

VK then hit one down the long on, and the duo ran a quick double. To his credit, Karthik reached the danger end safely, although he did overdo with a quite needless dive. That is quintessential Dinesh for you- he has to overdo the easy stuff, dissipate himself in the process, and then come across as limp and lifeless when the moment of reckoning arrives. (Equation- 13 off 3) Anyway, a six off a no-ball, a wide, a clean bowled on the free-hit and a treble followed, to hand over the decisive advantage to India, who now needed just 2 runs off 2 balls. The only worry for an average Indian fan was that the great finisher, DK, was to take strike on the penultimate ball of the match.

What kind of a target is 2 off 2 in a game of cricket? Forget about the T20 format, even in the first test match in 1877, any player would have welcomed such an opportunity to close out the match. A dab towards the mid-wicket would have fetched a double. A bit finer stroke would have ensured a single, and taken DK off the strike. Worst come to worst, run off the pads, or steal a bye. Two off two, the chance to finish off this great chase with a ball to spare! Akash ‘Mundane’ Chopra

was busy selling the ‘great finisher’ on the Hotstar. “This is what he has been chosen for- to finish matches. Strike Rate of 233 in 20th overs in 2022.” Oh man, to be privileged enough to hold a mike, and then frittering away that opportunity with such lame salesmanship.

Ever a cynic who has full confidence in DK’s ability to mess things up, I had a premonition of sorts as to what lay ahead. You have to give it to the man, he never disappoints. Never trust a man who twists and moves his body around too much without actually affecting any substantial motion. Economy of movement is an indicator of body-under-control, which is a pointer to mind-under-control. Dinesh Karthik had let India down in some match on the day I had joined the service. In more than a decade and a half that has passed by, even cheap Chinese lights have earned some credibility. But, not this man. Full marks for consistency.

The Great Finisher did yesterday what he always does. He ****ed it up. He tried to sweep a very ordinary ball from Nawaz down the leg side. The delivery was neither too quick, nor too slow, had already pitched when it reached him, was drifting down leg anyway, did not stop nor rise upon him abruptly, in other words, was a nothing ball. On the next such ‘nothing’ ball, Ashwin just moved a bit his off stump, and let it go down as a wide. But then Ashwin has brains. And believes in the economy of movement.

DK’s bat could not find the ball, which hit and rose up his pads, brushed against his gloves and fell into the crease just before the keeper, even as the bat completed a majestic follow-through. DK had no idea where the ball was, perhaps he thought he had launched it towards the square leg, and went totally off-balance. Then he saw the ball in Rizwan’s hands, realized he was out of crease and in danger of being stumped or run-out. Karthik made a feeble attempt to drag his bat inside, but was too slow and out of reckoning. It almost felt like his heart was not in it. He fell down, was obviously stumped, gathered his bat, rushed out of the pitch, shook his head, cart-wheeled his bat, dropped it, picked it again and then played a shadow-stroke.

That was when it dawned upon me that the proceedings on the previous ball had actually went in India’s favour. Two runs off the last ball were very doable with Ashwin on the strike and DK safely back in the dugout, busy sorting his demons. Ashwin duly did what he had to, and India romped home thanks to Virat’s greatest innings. But why does the management prefer a very ordinary, forever undependable, Mr Karthik, upon the Great Rishabh Pant, the Conquistador of Gabbatoir, is anyone’s guess.

Do not get me started on Karthik’s keeping either. He never gets sharp catches, moves around a tad too often while standing up to spinners, twitches a lot causing semblance of false motion behind the stumps, sits on his haunches and stands up all the time and never hits the wickets with his throws. What Dhoni achieved every single time, often even without looking in the direction of stumps, DK never does. He also comes across as too lost and frivolous, has no awareness regarding the DRS and does not add any value to the on-field team planning.

He is fit, I give him that, but that is because he moves four times, when once would be enough

Good post . Perfectly explain about Karthik.Fully agree with you.
 
The lines where he explained 2 runs of 2 balls and still he choked in Pakistan match explained how good a finisher he is
 
First of all you are always contradicting in your posts and act like some kind of a smart 'i know it all about you' guy. Secondly, they are not my favorites but they are better options than both Pant and Karthik. I want them to get enough opportunities too. Just because you blindly worship pant, it doesn't mean others are into worshipping players stuff as well. I neither hype these players as the best since sliced bread either nor call them ATGs.

Lastly, if these guys haven't set the stage on fire then when did Pant set the stage on fire in T20s? These two have played less than 20 matches each whereas Pant has played 60+ matches. Pretty sure you will find many such innings from Pant. And stats matters, ask your little brother [MENTION=139595]Ab Fan[/MENTION] about this.

Come back with a logical reply for once and that too with on field performances not some emotional drama type posts. :inti

Logical thinking is lost when you say some guy has got 60 matches, and some others 20 matches - so they too need those 40 extra matches! In this way you will never find a formidable team! This logic hasn't gone into your heads for long time (same with TM consisting of Dravid) Give the man who discovered himself as a great batsman (Pant in Australia), this is the X-factor which needs to be believed... "Belief" is what brings great results. (like what was achieved in last Australia Test series when all the odds were against!) Not some dumb Stats-observation, Seniority-factors, etc.
 
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As I said many times earlier, DK is just a fake cricketer, let alone a finisher. Has been able to hoodwink successive selection committees. Shame on BCCI to even allowing him to have a cricket career at Indian cricket's expense.
 
Dumbest are KKR management to have made him their captain when the guy doesn't even deserve to play T20 cricket in first place.
 
2 runs of 2 balls ...cannot finish vs Pakistan....not against Shaheen or Wasim Akram.....what a finisher
 
Dinesh Karthik is the most consistent Indian cricketer ever. Consistently dropping couple of catches and not performing with the bat in each and every match.
 
37 years old. Waning reflexes. Didn't expect him much. Just one impact innings. That's it. He couldn't even produce that.
 
Logical thinking is lost when you say some guy has got 60 matches, and some others 20 matches - so they too need those 40 extra matches! In this way you will never find a formidable team! This logic hasn't gone into your heads for long time (same with TM consisting of Dravid) Give the man who discovered himself as a great batsman (Pant in Australia), this is the X-factor which needs to be believed... "Belief" is what brings great results. (like what was achieved in last Australia Test series when all the odds were against!) Not some dumb Stats-observation, Seniority-factors, etc.

You are still ignoring stats of Pant in 60 matches. You have got nothing else left to debate. Quote me when you want to talk about on field performances. :inti
 
As I said many times earlier, DK is just a fake cricketer, let alone a finisher. Has been able to hoodwink successive selection committees. Shame on BCCI to even allowing him to have a cricket career at Indian cricket's expense.

It is not DK's fault, it is team management's and Pant's fault here. He got so many opportunities and yet failed. Kishan and Samson should have been selected in place of these two and I said this even before the world cup started. DK should retire after this world cup so that talents like Samson and Kishan can give competition to Pant. :inti
 
It is not DK's fault, it is team management's and Pant's fault here. He got so many opportunities and yet failed. Kishan and Samson should have been selected in place of these two and I said this even before the world cup started. DK should retire after this world cup so that talents like Samson and Kishan can give competition to Pant. :inti
I agree its totally team management's fault.

As for Pant, he has only flattered to deceive in T20s despite getting so many chances. Him or his fans should not complain about him being short changed by team management.
 
I am happy he missed the easy free hit from that noball to at least calm some conspiracy theories :))
 
How is DK still being selected instead of Risabh Pant ? Dravid has gone nuts !
 
As I said many times earlier, DK is just a fake cricketer, let alone a finisher. Has been able to hoodwink successive selection committees. Shame on BCCI to even allowing him to have a cricket career at Indian cricket's expense.

Is there any batsman in this team that you rate?

You have bashed Kohli, Rohit,Rahul, Pant, Pandya, Jadeja, Bhuvi, Bumrah..Anyone you rate in this team? :91: :inti
 
It is all now team management and pant's mistake for dk not scoring...???
 
It is all now team management and pant's mistake for dk not scoring...???

It is team management's fault for carrying a dud like Pant in the squad who can't even replace DK currently. It is Pant's fault for not making use of those endless opportunities. This is how bad he has been in this format. It is TM's fault for not selecting Kishan and Samson in the squad. Understood now? :inti
 
People of his talent should be given a long rope, despite the failures. Like KL Rahul.

Yeah but how many failures? He is going to get many opportunities again after the world cup alongwith Samson and Kishan. There is hope still. :inti
 
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Yeah but how many failures? He is going to get many opportunities again after the world cup alongwith Samson and Kishan. There is hope still. :inti

Replace opener KL Rahul with Pant. It will be new dawn for him like it was for Rohit in 2013.

KL Rahul annoys me.
 
So dk finisher tag and his current batting is ok for you...no criticism by you on him
 
Is there any batsman in this team that you rate?

You have bashed Kohli, Rohit,Rahul, Pant, Pandya, Jadeja, Bhuvi, Bumrah..Anyone you rate in this team? :91: :inti
Because none of them are any good in their current avatars.

As for Bumrah, i just bash him for his unabashed love for IPL over national duty.

Jadeja - We haven't won any T20 title despite him being in the team for last 6 editions.

Pant/Pandya - Not as good as they are portrayed.

Bhuvi - Way past it. Should have been junked 2-3 years ago.
 
You are still ignoring stats of Pant in 60 matches. You have got nothing else left to debate. Quote me when you want to talk about on field performances. :inti

There are so many factors there! India's stupid rotation policy (players taking rest randomly), team composition getting affected repeatedly (players not settled in any particular batting position), mediocre players making comebacks now and then, worn-out seniors (like Dhoni) blocking the slots for long when new players needed to be groomed, etc. Besides Pant missed so many test matches at home (This is a very very crucial point which I guess nobody among fans, media, team-management, experts felt! Its only me I guess!) Tests at "home" will give the opportunity for a player to explore his array of strokeplay and judgement when to attack & defend. This is what is leading to Pant's soft dismissals which you call stupid shot selection. Everyone knows(especially opposition knows it well) how dangerous he can be if he becomes more smart!

What I felt that setting aside all these stats (your 60 matches analogy), they could have given opportunity to him in this T20 tournament played in "Australia" (his favorite zone). I am sure he wouldn't have done worse than Karthik. If you think Pant who played 60 T20s being ineffective, then how on earth Karthik who has 15-20 years international career with just 1 grand hundred (only in a test against his favorite opposition Bangladesh) is good enough to play in a premier World Cup? OK I will give it to you if Samson or Kishan were there in the squad. But Pant vs Karthik (I am sure rest of the world is laughing at our strategies!)

Pant would have found himself a way out in T20s if he played in this tournament from the beginning! This is just insipid thinking on the part of team management. I am 100% sure that India won't cross Semis once again with this limited conservative thinking! And everyone will be alright with it as usual! Pant is one of those rare "all format player" like Kohli & Bumrah! Rahul & Pandya would have also belonged to this group had they improved their fitness & temperament!
 
Pant image was on bigger baloon with as world cup promotion event.... sadly if we crash out of semis with passengers,stupid coach and captain will feel the heat
 
Pant image was on bigger baloon with as world cup promotion event.... sadly if we crash out of semis with passengers,stupid coach and captain will feel the heat

nothing will happen, in Indian cricket more the things change, more they remain the same. Last year, we lost the WC but who remembers or what changed post that. Same set of players, its the same Ashwin, who can't bowl in the powerplay or the middle overs or the end overs or on the bouncy pitches or on the batting pitches, who gets to play all the matches. DK, for the love of god, is such a horrible player but you can't blame him. Its the selectors/team management who keeps selecting team tournaments after tournaments inspite of the fact that he averages under 10 after what 15 WC matches. Pant would be an automatic selection in any team in this WC, inspite of the fact that his returns haven't been as per his test standards. With next few matches switching to batting friendly pitches of Sydney/Adelaide with smaller grounds, its a no brainer to play Pant who can clear boundaries because from this point onwards, Indian bowling will keep getting exposed regulary.
 
Team India is flying high at the top of Group 2 standings in the Super 12 stage of the T20 World Cup 2022 in Australia but not everything has gone as planned. The team clinched a couple of nervy wins over Pakistan and Bangladesh to be in a solid position to qualify for the semi-finals. Over the course of the four group matches so far, Dinesh Karthik has faced constant criticism for his failures as a finisher. But, former India cricketer Harbhajan Singh feels the wicket-keeper batter should continue to be persisted with.

With a player of the calibre of Rishabh Pant waiting on the bench, Karthik's place in the team has been questioned by many. A few former cricketers and pundits have even called for Karthik to be replaced by Pant but Bhajji isn't in sync with the idea.

In a chat on Sports Tak, Harbhajan said that, unlike Karthik, Pant isn't a finisher and can't play the same role or position that the veteran wicket-keeper batter has been allotted. Having seen Karthik deliver the goods in the Indian Premier League and for India in the past few months, Bhajji wants him to be given more time.

"When Karthik was injured, I said that we should bring back Pant. But if he's fit, Karthik should be preferred because you got him in the team as a finisher. You can't play Pant in that position," Harbhajan opined.

Harbhajan even said that there are a few other senior players in the team who haven't performed well in the T20 World Cup so far, but because of their stature, people aren't talking about them.

"There are other players who have failed too. But their stature is high, hence we don't talk about them. Dinesh Karthik's batting position is a difficult one. Yuvraj Singh and MS Dhoni have batted there brilliantly; after them, only Hardik Pandya has shown the ability to play the finisher's role. Now we have Karthik too and we should give him a chance," he said.

With India up against Zimbabwe next, Karthik might need to pull up his socks and deliver as Pant is breathing down his neck since the start of the tournament.

NDTV
 
Team India is flying high at the top of Group 2 standings in the Super 12 stage of the T20 World Cup 2022 in Australia but not everything has gone as planned. The team clinched a couple of nervy wins over Pakistan and Bangladesh to be in a solid position to qualify for the semi-finals. Over the course of the four group matches so far, Dinesh Karthik has faced constant criticism for his failures as a finisher. But, former India cricketer Harbhajan Singh feels the wicket-keeper batter should continue to be persisted with.

With a player of the calibre of Rishabh Pant waiting on the bench, Karthik's place in the team has been questioned by many. A few former cricketers and pundits have even called for Karthik to be replaced by Pant but Bhajji isn't in sync with the idea.

In a chat on Sports Tak, Harbhajan said that, unlike Karthik, Pant isn't a finisher and can't play the same role or position that the veteran wicket-keeper batter has been allotted. Having seen Karthik deliver the goods in the Indian Premier League and for India in the past few months, Bhajji wants him to be given more time.

"When Karthik was injured, I said that we should bring back Pant. But if he's fit, Karthik should be preferred because you got him in the team as a finisher. You can't play Pant in that position," Harbhajan opined.

Harbhajan even said that there are a few other senior players in the team who haven't performed well in the T20 World Cup so far, but because of their stature, people aren't talking about them.

"There are other players who have failed too. But their stature is high, hence we don't talk about them. Dinesh Karthik's batting position is a difficult one. Yuvraj Singh and MS Dhoni have batted there brilliantly; after them, only Hardik Pandya has shown the ability to play the finisher's role. Now we have Karthik too and we should give him a chance," he said.

With India up against Zimbabwe next, Karthik might need to pull up his socks and deliver as Pant is breathing down his neck since the start of the tournament.

NDTV

Many fans who were defending Pant's poor performances here also said the same thing that batting at this position is difficult and opening is quite easy which is why they want Pant to open. Now they are criticising Karthik. Pant got enough opportunities before the world cup, karthik made use of those opportunities and sealed his spot in the team. Pant on the other hand is struggled to score even in practice matches but fans want him to replace KL Rahul. :facepalm :inti
 
Pant image was on bigger baloon with as world cup promotion event.... sadly if we crash out of semis with passengers,stupid coach and captain will feel the heat

Regarding Pant? They won't. They can just show his stats and shut the critics. They should feel the heat for not picking Samson and Kishan over Karthik and Pant. :inti
 
How has this garbage player survived for 17 years is beyond me. He is by far the luckiest Indian player ever.

I’m sure even he can’t believe that he is keeping the likes of Pant, Samson, Kishan etc. out of the team.

Players like Raina who was miles better him got discarded ages ago but this mediocrity has somehow survived.
 
How has this garbage player survived for 17 years is beyond me. He is by far the luckiest Indian player ever.

I’m sure even he can’t believe that he is keeping the likes of Pant, Samson, Kishan etc. out of the team.

Players like Raina who was miles better him got discarded ages ago but this mediocrity has somehow survived.

Sadly most of the selectors and administrators in Indian Cricket are similar to the one who posted above you! That's the reason!
 
Think Samson is the one most suited to no.6 position rather than both Pant or Kishan. Pant is more suited in top 5. Have a feeling DK's international career will be done after this wt20.
 
Because none of them are any good in their current avatars.

As for Bumrah, i just bash him for his unabashed love for IPL over national duty.

Jadeja - We haven't won any T20 title despite him being in the team for last 6 editions.

Pant/Pandya - Not as good as they are portrayed.

Bhuvi - Way past it. Should have been junked 2-3 years ago.

You can come up with another team that is as good as the current one. That many players are not playing. Indian B side thrashed the same SA recently that beat India.
 
Our selectors are a bunch of jokers to put it mildly. Chetan Sharma is the chief selector and gets paid a salary of 1 cr an year. If you read his twitter timeline, you would know how he became a selector in first place. His tweets are only about praising Jay Shah and Ganguly until recently. The guys sucks up to the big guns and becomes a selector, just like Dinesh Karthik who along with his family members, thank either Rohit Sharma or Dravid or someone for giving him a chance. Half his tweets are around thanking someone for selecting him or praising him and that's not gratitude, it's chamchagiri.
 
Playing DK is like playing with 10 players and opposition playing with 12 players. Missed several straight forward chances in this world T20 alone.
 
Our selectors are a bunch of jokers to put it mildly. Chetan Sharma is the chief selector and gets paid a salary of 1 cr an year. If you read his twitter timeline, you would know how he became a selector in first place. His tweets are only about praising Jay Shah and Ganguly until recently. The guys sucks up to the big guns and becomes a selector, just like Dinesh Karthik who along with his family members, thank either Rohit Sharma or Dravid or someone for giving him a chance. Half his tweets are around thanking someone for selecting him or praising him and that's not gratitude, it's chamchagiri.

Yes through close contacts and lobbying he has got this far ..not by talent...
 
Playing DK is like playing with 10 players and opposition playing with 12 players. Missed several straight forward chances in this world T20 alone.
We didn't learn anything despite our failed campaign in last ODI WC that DK is as pedestrian as they come in whatever capacity he plays for us.
 
You can come up with another team that is as good as the current one. That many players are not playing. Indian B side thrashed the same SA recently that beat India.
But that was just a bilateral series and we are kings in that. Success in them doesn't matter one bit during world events. Who else knows this better than us?
 
How has this garbage player survived for 17 years is beyond me. He is by far the luckiest Indian player ever.

I’m sure even he can’t believe that he is keeping the likes of Pant, Samson, Kishan etc. out of the team.

Players like Raina who was miles better him got discarded ages ago but this mediocrity has somehow survived.
He blunder selecters by playing unbelievable IPL knock when he get drops everytime . This cycle repeats ...
 
He was never Mr. anything.

He did well in IPL. That's about it.

He is an IPL king. Nothing more.
 
Because none of them are any good in their current avatars.

As for Bumrah, i just bash him for his unabashed love for IPL over national duty.

Jadeja - We haven't won any T20 title despite him being in the team for last 6 editions.

Pant/Pandya - Not as good as they are portrayed.

Bhuvi - Way past it. Should have been junked 2-3 years ago.

Kohli is the best of them all.

Second is Bumrah who is better than Rohit but needs some performances in ICC knockouts.

Third is Rohit but even he hasn't done anything special in Knockouts or dominated in WT20 like Kohli.

Bhuvi is another economical Kumar guy who barely does well in iCC tournaments.
 
Pant and Samson, two guys we should back instead of DK in T20s, even back Kishan also.

In ODIs, back Pant and Shreyas Iyer. Maybe Samson as well.
 
He was never Mr. anything.

He did well in IPL. That's about it.

He is an IPL king. Nothing more.

He did okay in the limited opportunities. But he is too old now. He also has this fidgety nature that never allowed him to own his place. Let us not forget DK made debut before Dhoni. Dhoni eventually replaced him permanently until he retired. Dhoni probably was not the best of the technician when he made debut. HE had this incredible mental toughness something DK could nly dream of
 
DK should take some responsibility now. He was preferred over guys like Samson and Kishan and he should retire after this world cup. :inti
 
But that was just a bilateral series and we are kings in that. Success in them doesn't matter one bit during world events. Who else knows this better than us?

This is pretty much the line up last time exited. Few of them played also in that 71 fiasco against NZ in India. Then that West Indies match
 
If Pant plays in semi final and final, we will win the trophy. If he doesn't play, we will lose the trophy.

Hope the betrayers don't start arguing that oh look, India failed lol considering that they are supporting Dinesh Karthik over Pant themselves and won't take even a moment to change their tunes as soon as India lose a match in knockouts and start bashing their own team.
 
If Pant plays in semi final and final, we will win the trophy. If he doesn't play, we will lose the trophy.

Hope the betrayers don't start arguing that oh look, India failed lol considering that they are supporting Dinesh Karthik over Pant themselves and won't take even a moment to change their tunes as soon as India lose a match in knockouts and start bashing their own team.
 
LMAO look at some fans getting desperate and blaming everything on Karthik even before the semis and final. I said this before the world cup that failures of Pant and Pandya will be put on Karthik because Jadeja and Dhoni aren't there to take the blame like last 2 big tournaments as if Pant was setting the world on fire in this format. :91:

Same hypocrites who prefer a batsman with a strike rate of 135 or above now want Pant in the team? :))) :inti
 
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If Pant plays in semi final and final, we will win the trophy. If he doesn't play, we will lose the trophy.

Hope the betrayers don't start arguing that oh look, India failed lol considering that they are supporting Dinesh Karthik over Pant themselves and won't take even a moment to change their tunes as soon as India lose a match in knockouts and start bashing their own team.

I don't trust Pant either. But he is more reliable than DK behind the stumps. We have to get that right first. If Pant scores that is a bonus.
 
I don't think we'll be seeing him often playing for the national team after the ongoing world cup.
 
He was never Mr. anything.

He did well in IPL. That's about it.

He is an IPL king. Nothing more.

IPL is for testing and finding new talents (like Surya Kumar, Bumrah, Chahal, etc). It is not for old/senior/worn-out players to make back door entry after failing in international cricket. IPL is there for these cricketers to enjoy retired life, fame-retention, recreation, etc...
 
That's why they are selectors and administators whereas guys like you are nobodies. :91: :inti

Same selectors and administrators were bashed brutally after debacles in previous world cups. And they will get the same this time too... Selectors and Administrators are mere minority and they are politically influenced (just like you). That's why our country is still backwards in spite of abundance of talent, resources and culture! It is the pure spectators who keep the game alive! (Selectors/Admins keep changing, but fans remain the same!)
 
Wait for just another week and this madness will end ...and sanity prevail
 
Virender Sehwag Slams Indian Team Management Over Decision To Drop Dinesh Karthik vs Zimbabwe

The Rohit Sharma-led Team India reached the semi-finals of the T20 World Cup on Sunday, finishing as Group 2 toppers after beating Zimbabwe in their final Super 12 game. However, India had already sealed a place in the last four stage even before the match had begun as Netherlands stunned South Africa, to assure India of a top-two finish in Group 2. Against Zimbabwe, India included Rishabh Pant in the playing XI, dropping Dinesh Karthik - who had been India's wicketkeeper in the earlier matches. Former India batter Virender Sehwag, however, wasn't impressed with the team management's strategy. Sehwag said that if the management has made a gamble on Karthik, then they should've stuck with him for the entire tournament.

"Rohit Sharma said we wanted to give him (Pant) one game because we have already qualified for the semis. We don't need a finisher since we are batting first. You need a finisher when you are chasing. I was saying that India should've made Zimbabwe bat first. Rishabh Pant has played cricket in such conditions, both in red-ball and white-ball. As Ashish Nehra rightly pointed out that if he had scored a big knock, will India go form him or a finisher (Karthik)," Sehwag said on Cricbuzz.

Sehwag added that dropping Karthik ahead of the semi-final won't be good for his confidence, especially if India decide to play him in the knockout game against England.

"If you have gambled on Dinesh Karthik for the T20 World Cup, then you've got to play him until the end of the tournament. Benching Dinesh Karthik won't be good for his confidence. He needs some confidence as he hasn't scored runs so far," he added.

India will take on England in the second semi-final at the Adelaide Oval on Thursday.

NDTV
 
Virender Sehwag Slams Indian Team Management Over Decision To Drop Dinesh Karthik vs Zimbabwe

The Rohit Sharma-led Team India reached the semi-finals of the T20 World Cup on Sunday, finishing as Group 2 toppers after beating Zimbabwe in their final Super 12 game. However, India had already sealed a place in the last four stage even before the match had begun as Netherlands stunned South Africa, to assure India of a top-two finish in Group 2. Against Zimbabwe, India included Rishabh Pant in the playing XI, dropping Dinesh Karthik - who had been India's wicketkeeper in the earlier matches. Former India batter Virender Sehwag, however, wasn't impressed with the team management's strategy. Sehwag said that if the management has made a gamble on Karthik, then they should've stuck with him for the entire tournament.

"Rohit Sharma said we wanted to give him (Pant) one game because we have already qualified for the semis. We don't need a finisher since we are batting first. You need a finisher when you are chasing. I was saying that India should've made Zimbabwe bat first. Rishabh Pant has played cricket in such conditions, both in red-ball and white-ball. As Ashish Nehra rightly pointed out that if he had scored a big knock, will India go form him or a finisher (Karthik)," Sehwag said on Cricbuzz.

Sehwag added that dropping Karthik ahead of the semi-final won't be good for his confidence, especially if India decide to play him in the knockout game against England.

"If you have gambled on Dinesh Karthik for the T20 World Cup, then you've got to play him until the end of the tournament. Benching Dinesh Karthik won't be good for his confidence. He needs some confidence as he hasn't scored runs so far," he added.

India will take on England in the second semi-final at the Adelaide Oval on Thursday.

NDTV

Agree with Sehwag here. Can't understand the motive behind selecting Pant for one game and dropping DK? :inti
 
Virender Sehwag Slams Indian Team Management Over Decision To Drop Dinesh Karthik vs Zimbabwe

The Rohit Sharma-led Team India reached the semi-finals of the T20 World Cup on Sunday, finishing as Group 2 toppers after beating Zimbabwe in their final Super 12 game. However, India had already sealed a place in the last four stage even before the match had begun as Netherlands stunned South Africa, to assure India of a top-two finish in Group 2. Against Zimbabwe, India included Rishabh Pant in the playing XI, dropping Dinesh Karthik - who had been India's wicketkeeper in the earlier matches. Former India batter Virender Sehwag, however, wasn't impressed with the team management's strategy. Sehwag said that if the management has made a gamble on Karthik, then they should've stuck with him for the entire tournament.

"Rohit Sharma said we wanted to give him (Pant) one game because we have already qualified for the semis. We don't need a finisher since we are batting first. You need a finisher when you are chasing. I was saying that India should've made Zimbabwe bat first. Rishabh Pant has played cricket in such conditions, both in red-ball and white-ball. As Ashish Nehra rightly pointed out that if he had scored a big knock, will India go form him or a finisher (Karthik)," Sehwag said on Cricbuzz.

Sehwag added that dropping Karthik ahead of the semi-final won't be good for his confidence, especially if India decide to play him in the knockout game against England.

"If you have gambled on Dinesh Karthik for the T20 World Cup, then you've got to play him until the end of the tournament. Benching Dinesh Karthik won't be good for his confidence. He needs some confidence as he hasn't scored runs so far," he added.

India will take on England in the second semi-final at the Adelaide Oval on Thursday.

NDTV

Sehwag prior to Zimbabwe match - “Ye toh pehle din se hona chahiye tha. Vo vahan Test cricket khele hain, ODI khele hain aur perform kiya hai. Dinesh Karthik kab Australia me khele hain? Ye koi Bangalore ki wicket nahi hai. Main aaj bhi ye hi keh raha tha ki Hooda ki jagah Pant ko khilaate, unko vahan khelne ka anubhav hai. Unhone Gabba ka ghamand toda hai Australia ka. (This should have been the case from the first day. Pant has played Tests and ODIs there, and has performed. When did Dinesh Karthik last play in Austrlaia? This isn't a Bangalore wicket. I said this even today that Pant should've been in the team instead of Hooda, Pant has the experience of playing here. His Gabba innings is a legend),” Sehwag said.

I think what sehwag means in his latest comment is that this point of giving pant a game doesn't make any sense. Either they shud play Pant for the remaining games or no point giving him one chance. Btw what exactly is Rohit smoking these days, he said at the toss - Pant is the only player who hasn't got any match practise as he didn't play even the warm ups. Think sharmaji was sleeping through the practise games.
 
Sehwag prior to Zimbabwe match - “Ye toh pehle din se hona chahiye tha. Vo vahan Test cricket khele hain, ODI khele hain aur perform kiya hai. Dinesh Karthik kab Australia me khele hain? Ye koi Bangalore ki wicket nahi hai. Main aaj bhi ye hi keh raha tha ki Hooda ki jagah Pant ko khilaate, unko vahan khelne ka anubhav hai. Unhone Gabba ka ghamand toda hai Australia ka. (This should have been the case from the first day. Pant has played Tests and ODIs there, and has performed. When did Dinesh Karthik last play in Austrlaia? This isn't a Bangalore wicket. I said this even today that Pant should've been in the team instead of Hooda, Pant has the experience of playing here. His Gabba innings is a legend),” Sehwag said.

I think what sehwag means in his latest comment is that this point of giving pant a game doesn't make any sense. Either they shud play Pant for the remaining games or no point giving him one chance. Btw what exactly is Rohit smoking these days, he said at the toss - Pant is the only player who hasn't got any match practise as he didn't play even the warm ups. Think sharmaji was sleeping through the practise games.

Pant did play the warm ups. Failed both times as opener with sub 100 strike rate. I understand his incredible Test match performance. Every innings he played he made it count. But this is T20. The requirement of experience in Australia should be applicable to SKY as well in that case. You don't have to play in Australia reecntly to do well in Australia. DK has more than one issue now. So Pant or anyone has to replace him now.
He has the highest percentage of dot balls for India 49%.
 
Pant did play the warm ups. Failed both times as opener with sub 100 strike rate. I understand his incredible Test match performance. Every innings he played he made it count. But this is T20. The requirement of experience in Australia should be applicable to SKY as well in that case. You don't have to play in Australia reecntly to do well in Australia. DK has more than one issue now. So Pant or anyone has to replace him now.
He has the highest percentage of dot balls for India 49%.

Yup, that's why i was surprised to hear Rohit saying that pant hasn't even got a warm up game.

I am pretty sure that pant will play in the semis. He hasn't lit the world on fire in T20 but pant with one hand is still be better than DK, such is the magnitude of the difference in competencies between the two. It's been brought upon us by dim witted selectors, who selected DK based upon his IPL performance and got influenced by DK's social media team who in the last 6 months published stories after stories about what he went through in his first marriage. Even linkedn was flooded with those sob stories and so his selection was always a charity more than anything. From the beginning, Pant and Samson should have been in the team.
 
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Cant understand India's obsession with this mediocre keeper. Pant should always be their no.1 choice.
 
Yes he is the best India has took 17 out of 17 catches since Last world 20. DK dropped 5 out 15 catched.

We're did you find that information form Pant has improved but he's not great even thou he maybe India best currently
 
We're did you find that information form Pant has improved but he's not great even thou he maybe India best currently

This is not an ATG contest here. One is much better. He walks in purely based on that. Other one is too old who struggles even with basic collection.
 
This is not an ATG contest here. One is much better. He walks in purely based on that. Other one is too old who struggles even with basic collection.

So the 17 out of 17 isn't correct.some people say that Pant is ATG
 
This one probably was not updated lol Ashwin dropped 3 against Pakistan. But Pant didn't play so his stats are correct
 
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