Disallowing centrally contracted players from playing T20 Leagues?

[Savak]

Will this kickstart the step towards helping us improve in ODI and T-20 Cricket.

The technique and temprament of our batters has been wrecked by the excessive focus on T-20 Cricket. Pakistan as a whole plays a lot more T-20 Cricket in comparison to other nations and has neglected ODI and Test Cricket.

Our fast bowlers cannot maintain their speeds, line and length after 4 overs with the new ball. You see them significantly lose their steam from their second spell onwards and they routinely operate around 127-130 km/hr with the old ball and the second new ball whereas Indian, Australian, South African pacers have the strength to bowl at 100% in all their spells and can put in 20 overs a day. I blame T-20 cricket for ruining the skill sets, fitness of our pacers in ODI and Test Cricket. When was the last time the likes of Naseem, Shaheen played a full Domestic 4 day season back home?

An ex player proposed that PCB should increase the compensation for ODI, T-20 and Test Matches and even Central Contract, PSL payments but need to ban Pakistani Centrally contracted players from playing in Foreign T-20 leagues for the next 3-4 years.

If Indian's via their money can demand exclusitivity from their players, why not the PCB?

 

[Rana]

Yeah I think stopping our premier batters from playing Canada T20 and Bangla Premier league will improve their techniques


“my Lord, why hast thou forsaken me?”

 

[mominsaigol]

Will this kickstart the step towards helping us improve in ODI and T-20 Cricket.

The technique and temprament of our batters has been wrecked by the excessive focus on T-20 Cricket. Pakistan as a whole plays a lot more T-20 Cricket in comparison to other nations and has neglected ODI and Test Cricket.

Our fast bowlers cannot maintain their speeds, line and length after 4 overs with the new ball. You see them significantly lose their steam from their second spell onwards and they routinely operate around 127-130 km/hr with the old ball and the second new ball whereas Indian, Australian, South African pacers have the strength to bowl at 100% in all their spells and can put in 20 overs a day. I blame T-20 cricket for ruining the skill sets, fitness of our pacers in ODI and Test Cricket. When was the last time the likes of Naseem, Shaheen played a full Domestic 4 day season back home?

An ex player proposed that PCB should increase the compensation for ODI, T-20 and Test Matches and even Central Contract, PSL payments but need to ban Pakistani Centrally contracted players from playing in Foreign T-20 leagues for the next 3-4 years.

If Indian's via their money can demand exclusitivity from their players, why not the PCB?

They need to fix their pitches and culture first.

This whole the team is too focused on t20 gets pushed around alot but they don't even employ the aggressive brand of t20 cricket?

I saw the Champions one day cup, phatta tracks yet not a single attempt by anyone besides fakhar's one hit wonders to actually attempt to score a classic England style 400 to 450 on such wickets.

The whole culture is happy to play 70's Cricket even when the pitches are ipl video game roads.

For odi and t20 the culture needs to change alongside good pitches and for test a culture of fitness needs to be promoted before skill improvement and assessment.

A tired England could play 20 overs and score 100, and next day while fresh bazzball pakistan into next week while a tired pakistan gave 6 wickets in 17 overs as no one had the stamina to continue in the heat.

So many people were claiming shan masood 151 and Abdullah 102 is forgivable as they gave their wickets away in heat yet Brook and Root showed no signs of stopping even with root having a bit of a cramp.

The fitness between the 2 sides was night and day. It wasn't just the skill gap.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Limit it, don't completely disallow. Seeing Pakistan international players in low tier leagues filled with associate and discarded cricketers is weird.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I think this is an easy excuse that people use to blame all of our team's problems on. Like blaming captains and coaches. Fact is there are players from other countries that are playing far more T20 leagues than our players. You don't see their test cricket falling off a cliff like Pakistan's. Pakistan's players don't even play SA20 or IPL. And there are generally only a 2-3 Pakistani players (atmost) in The Hundred, MLC, Big Bash and ILT20. That leaves behind the CPL, BPL, Global T20 and LPL. Global T20, LPL and BPL ended a long time ago. In the CPL, many of our players were called back or had their NOCs removed to play in the Champions Cup.

I think this T20 leagues reason is a nice and easy excuse that people use to convince themselves that we are not lagging behind in every basic area like fitness, mental toughness, structure, match practice, a coherent and rational cricketing calendar, workload management for fast-bowlers. The list goes on...

 

[mominsaigol]

Yeah I think stopping our premier batters from playing Canada T20 and Bangla Premier league will improve their techniques


“my Lord, why hast thou forsaken me?”

First tell them to actually get sold in the 100.

They need to learn to remain in their aukaat and not ask for 20 to 100K fetching prices.

Aaram sei put your bid for 500 to 1K and maybe some poor soul takes pity And then you get your 100 and get to play alongisde imad wasim..

 

[Rana]

First tell them to actually get sold in the 100.

They need to learn to remain in their aukaat and not ask for 20 to 100K fetching prices.

Aaram sei put your bid for 500 to 1K and maybe some poor soul takes pity And then you get your 100 and get to play alongisde imad wasim..

Yeah the thread makes it seem as if our Batters have the same kind of pull and demand like Klaasen, Travis Head, Maxwell, Salt etc.

Bruv we are a C grade T20 batting nation. Our most in demand/high demand batter for a higher end league is Azam Khan for crying out loud…AZAM KHAN!! These guys will still continue to deny this truth, it’s the absolute reality!

Why would anyone want to pay £100k for Babar when you can pay £5k per match to some 18 year old emerging kid from a county with incentives of 40% bonus for maintaining a sr of 160? Those boys will go for it! Babar will never ever go for it

 

[mominsaigol]

Yeah the thread makes it seem as if our Batters have the same kind of pull and demand like Klaasen, Travis Head, Maxwell, Salt etc.

Bruv we are a C grade T20 batting nation. Our most in demand/high demand batter for a higher end league is Azam Khan for crying out loud…AZAM KHAN!! These guys will still continue to deny this truth, it’s the absolute reality!

Why would anyone want to pay £100k for Babar when you can pay £5k per match to some 18 year old emerging kid from a county with incentives of 40% bonus for maintaining a sr of 160? Those boys will go for it! Babar will never ever go for it

I like the thread and like savak as a poster, but I just don't get what he means by exclusivity for PSL.

IPL isn't what improves Indian cricketers, ranji trophy does and their local domestic leagues do.

India views leagues as a payment bonus, not a selection criteria otherwise Abhisheik would have been the first person selected for wc 2024 lol.

However that's not all that India has. Just like England and Australia they also have a culture of aggressive brand of cricket, excellent fitness standards and excellent pitches.

Have England domestic players play in our domestic league on such pitches for the champions one day cup and see how 400 to possibly even 500 scores are made and records are broken.

Those same so called batting under lights problem that this tournament had and people claimed in Faisalabad would magically dissappear.

Their were no lights or pitch problems, the teams just do not know how to chase plain and simple, Zero RR maintainance.

Sharjeel playstyle looking good right now for his haters.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

No need... because soon no foreign league will bother calling such pathetic players to represent them.

 

[shariqnoor]

Will this kickstart the step towards helping us improve in ODI and T-20 Cricket.

The technique and temprament of our batters has been wrecked by the excessive focus on T-20 Cricket. Pakistan as a whole plays a lot more T-20 Cricket in comparison to other nations and has neglected ODI and Test Cricket.

Our fast bowlers cannot maintain their speeds, line and length after 4 overs with the new ball. You see them significantly lose their steam from their second spell onwards and they routinely operate around 127-130 km/hr with the old ball and the second new ball whereas Indian, Australian, South African pacers have the strength to bowl at 100% in all their spells and can put in 20 overs a day. I blame T-20 cricket for ruining the skill sets, fitness of our pacers in ODI and Test Cricket. When was the last time the likes of Naseem, Shaheen played a full Domestic 4 day season back home?

An ex player proposed that PCB should increase the compensation for ODI, T-20 and Test Matches and even Central Contract, PSL payments but need to ban Pakistani Centrally contracted players from playing in Foreign T-20 leagues for the next 3-4 years.

If Indian's via their money can demand exclusitivity from their players, why not the PCB?

No international cricketer in any team plays a full domestic 4 day season once they are representing their country on the international stage. Can you remember when Kohli played a complete Ranji Trophy season?

What needs to be done is when there is a small window where your country isn't playing Test or ODI cricket, you can slip in a few FC matches. Like what Labuschagne is doing in the county circuit. However, the issue is that our players feel that they are entitled and their spot in the team is reserved based on reputation alone.

 

[RidiculousMan]

If that were the case then Harry Brook would've been ruined by now because he made his name through playing in PSL.

Many English, South African and Australian players play leagues all around the world.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Players need to take responsibility first and foremost for their own development. If they are not serious about being getting better, then how can you expect danda to make any difference?

All this idea would do is create even more mistrust and discontent between the board and the players. We are already operating in a very toxic environment since Zaka Ashraf, what needs to happen now is for the PCB to create a stable environment in the team.

 

[jnaveen1980]

At this point PCB can start with picking "format specific" players. This way their career depends on one format and they have to do well.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

At this point PCB can start with picking "format specific" players. This way their career depends on one format and they have to do well.

in players dominating system board cant really decide who will play which format actually players have the power in Pakistan which format they really want to play.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Yeah the thread makes it seem as if our Batters have the same kind of pull and demand like Klaasen, Travis Head, Maxwell, Salt etc.

Bruv we are a C grade T20 batting nation. Our most in demand/high demand batter for a higher end league is Azam Khan for crying out loud…AZAM KHAN!! These guys will still continue to deny this truth, it’s the absolute reality!

Why would anyone want to pay £100k for Babar when you can pay £5k per match to some 18 year old emerging kid from a county with incentives of 40% bonus for maintaining a sr of 160? Those boys will go for it! Babar will never ever go for it

Babar and Rizwan get sold in the Hundred whereas Imad and Amir are picked but some people refuse to see what the franchises see in players

 

[Rana]

Babar and Rizwan get sold in the Hundred whereas Imad and Amir are picked but some people refuse to see what the franchises see in players

They make stupid excuses for them instead of accepting reality,

“Babar and Rizwan were only available for some matches that’s why Hundred franchises didn’t buy them”….

Yeah so how are Naseem, Shadab, Shaheen and Amir getting picked?

“Babar and Rizwan picked Bangla premier league over ILT20 because they want to improve against spin in sub continent conditions”

The amount of clownery is unbelievable

 

[DeadlyVenom]

We need them playing more leagues not less.

It's the only way our cricket will modernise.

 

[Rana]

We need them playing more leagues not less.

It's the only way our cricket will modernise.

Yeah they need to be good enough to play them in the first place. Not scoring 130-140 srs as openers on Pindi roads during the PSL

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Yeah they need to be good enough to play them in the first place. Not scoring 130-140 srs as openers on Pindi roads during the PSL

Agreed.

 

[RidiculousMan]

Yeah they need to be good enough to play them in the first place. Not scoring 130-140 srs as openers on Pindi roads during the PSL

Right. Like let players like Fakhar and Naseem play BBL

 

[Rana]

Right. Like let players like Fakhar and Naseem play BBL

Fakhar played CPL, his first big league commitment since Big Bash (where he kind of flopped), but he was more than decent in the CPL as an opener this year in the short amount of time he played