Disappointed By PTI Govt’s Performance, Hassan Nisar To Leave Pakistan With Family

[Major]

Senior journalist Hassan Nisar has decided to leave Pakistan with his family owing to what he described as ‘disappointing performance of the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Inaf (PTI) government’.

He made this announcement on his TV show ‘Meray Mutabiq’. According to Nisar, Prime Minister Imran Khan was the last hope of the country, but his dismal performance has forced him to rethink his decision of staying here.

In June this year, Nisar expressed deep regret over having supported the PTI government, saying that he was a ‘complete fool’ for thinking that the ruling party would deliver.



Hassan Nisar during an interview with private channel BOL News said that he had strongly believed that PTI would change the fate of the country.

“I had believed that Prime Minister Imran Khan has a team of technocrats and political experts who would be able to sort out our economic issues. But these people turned out to be very incompetent. Currently, we aren’t exporting anything except cotton and undergarments, the journalist had said.

He had added that after supporting PTI wholeheartedly all these years, it’s written on his head that he is a ‘complete fool’.



Earlier, security analyst Lt. Gen (r) Amjad Shoaib had confessed that after witnessing the performance of the ruling PTI, he feels like an ‘illiterate’ for voting it in the General Elections 2018.

Amjad Shoaib during an interview with Hum News’ said: “I voted for PTI and now I confess my ignorance. I always thought that we have given multiple chances to only two political parties [PML-N and PPP], so for once we should try voting for PTI.”

https://nayadaur.tv/2020/09/disappo...9VhtaCOJP6jdHNbEkXgWkydGVrFc2ltIeh3EsnfHklkz8

 

[Major]

reminds me of that doctor who said that he was going to relocate to Pakistan after Imran won. Wonder if he stayed true to his words.

 

[Syed1]

Seems Hasan Sahab was happier in purana Pakistan where people like Zardari and Nawaz were looting with both hands and feet.

 

[Pakpak]

Good riddance

 

[MenInG]

Think he should be helped to leave.

 

[uberkoen]

More people like him should leave. This is a good thing.

 

[Bigboii]

Seems Hasan Sahab was happier in purana Pakistan where people like Zardari and Nawaz were looting with both hands and feet.

He was part of the youth brigade even before there was such a thing called youth brigade...
I am pretty sure he wasn't happy in old pakistan either

 

[Star_Coffee]

The guy is weird.

One minute he is praising PTI and as soon as little mishap happens then Pakistan/PTI is the worse place on the earth, kind of like few on this forum, who do not miss an opportunity to score political/religious point, but in his case, he isn't scoring points, it is just an emotional response.

Pakistan is a work in progress and has been since Zia took the power.

 

[uberkoen]

The guy is weird.

One minute he is praising PTI and as soon as little mishap happens then Pakistan/PTI is the worse place on the earth, kind of like few on this forum, who do not miss an opportunity to score political/religious point, but in his case, he isn't scoring points, it is just an emotional response.

Pakistan is a work in progress and has been since Zia took the power.

Well, Zia did set us back 50 years or so

 

[Bigboii]

Lol I feel like he is that middle aged pupha at a wedding

Always crying about something thing and than leaving or threatening to leave when things don't go his way

I am happy he is leaving tbh good riddance he is a foul mouth "journalist" with no substance all he does is scream, b**** and moan about what's wrong but he will never offere practical solutions to fix those problems

Good bye hopefully forever!!

 

[Syed1]

The guy is weird.

One minute he is praising PTI and as soon as little mishap happens then Pakistan/PTI is the worse place on the earth, kind of like few on this forum, who do not miss an opportunity to score political/religious point, but in his case, he isn't scoring points, it is just an emotional response.

Pakistan is a work in progress and has been since Zia took the power.

There are many such people in PTI itself or those who voted for PTI.


They thought just because they voted for PTI they did their part now IK will come in, wave a magic wand and everything will be fixed. Same people throw garbage on the streets, show Quaid ki tasweer to copper and not stop at traffic lights, leken kidhar hai tabdeeli, kahan hai madina ki riyasat. Munafiq log.

 

[saeedhk]

One of my favorite Pakistanis. A very brutally honest person who does not mince any words. A top-class analyst. It is a shame Pakistan he is leaving but it is totally understandable.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

One of my favorite Pakistanis. A very brutally honest person who does not mince any words. A top-class analyst. It is a shame Pakistan he is leaving but it is totally understandable.

For once I totally agree.

Every society needs a mirror to be reminded of its flaws and Hasan Nisar shb is surely one of those. Speaks the bitter reality and is a rational supporter. I'm sure he will re-consider his decision. He likes Imran too much to go now and probably is mad at the laziness of the govt in some aspects.

Hasan Nisar is a necessary voice for a society like ours. Critics like him always push the people to become the best versions of themselves.

What irks people most is that he is a little badtameez and gloomy sometimes but with our politics frankly who wouldn't be.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

Seems Hasan Sahab was happier in purana Pakistan where people like Zardari and Nawaz were looting with both hands and feet.

You should see the words he has used for PPP and PML-N

He is just bitterly disappointed (understandably) however he has always supported IK loyally and has shut up many an anchor most memorable of those being Dr Danish

 

[JaDed]

As an Indian I didn't know about Pakistanis' opinions(except Cricket) and tbh I didn't care or didn't have a medium to know, the first one who I saw on youtube was Hassan Nisar creating a positive view ( from somewhat inconclusive or negative about Pakistani media) , ofcourse later discovered Nadeem F P who I enjoyed reading from Dawn but during those videos always saw Hasan Nisar take IK' side not sure what has happened in last 2-3 years.

 

[Minnowbasher]

Attention seeker.
Go on leave and don't take money from Pakistani shows anymore as well. We don't wanna hear your rubbish.

 

[Savak]

I am sure plenty of PTI supporters have had ups and downs given the bad news and good news. People who were expecting quick instant results will naturally be dissapointed whereas more loyal supporters who knew some problems will take time to fix end up being rewarded when the govt highlights a positive achievement.

 

[Loralai]

What is surprising is that he expected it to be different.

PTI is just another face for the Establishment, like PML-N and PPP before it.

 

[Star_Coffee]

What is surprising is that he expected it to be different.

PTI is just another face for the Establishment, like PML-N and PPP before it.

Every nation has establishment. Pakistan is no different

 

[Star_Coffee]

For once I totally agree.

Every society needs a mirror to be reminded of its flaws and Hasan Nisar shb is surely one of those. Speaks the bitter reality and is a rational supporter. I'm sure he will re-consider his decision. He likes Imran too much to go now and probably is mad at the laziness of the govt in some aspects.

Hasan Nisar is a necessary voice for a society like ours. Critics like him always push the people to become the best versions of themselves.

What irks people most is that he is a little badtameez and gloomy sometimes but with our politics frankly who wouldn't be.

Most of the PTI supporters welcome a mirror to be reminded of its flaws and Hasan Sahib do a good job, but when he makes an emotional comment such as this one then he must be reminded, not every day will be perfect, a mistake that is corrected or at least made an attempt to correct is better than the government who just loot and loot.

It is the looting and relaxed corruption of previous government that has made job difficult for PTI and it would have for any government with an intention to help the common man.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

There are many such people in PTI itself or those who voted for PTI.


They thought just because they voted for PTI they did their part now IK will come in, wave a magic wand and everything will be fixed. Same people throw garbage on the streets, show Quaid ki tasweer to copper and not stop at traffic lights, leken kidhar hai tabdeeli, kahan hai madina ki riyasat. Munafiq log.

Completely agree. People need realistic expectations.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Hassan Nisar’s 3 Sons Accuse Him Of Severely Mistreating Them And Their Mother


Renowned journalist Hassan Nisar’s son Qunain Hassan has accused his father of severely mistreating him and his two brothers. He said that his father is not in touch with him and his two brothers and refuses to meet them.

A few days ago, Hassan Nisar’s other son Shahper Hassan appeared in a video that went viral on social media, saying that he is forced to live in poverty after being abandoned by his father. Shahper’s siblings have now confirmed his claims.

In an interview with digital outlet Pak TV, Qunain Hassan said he along with his brother Shahper recently went to see their father to ask for financial help, but he refused to meet them. He also said that his brother Shahper Hassan is not mentally stable due to the circumstances.

Further, he said that his father would mistreat his mother and the children by beating them up. Their mother passed away a few years ago.

“I last saw my father at my grandmother’s funeral four years ago when I went to help in her burial as per her will”, he said. He further said that he wrote a letter to Hassan Nisar requesting him to buy a house for his sons, but he refused.

However, he said that he still loved his father despite everything.

https://nayadaur.tv/2020/04/hassan-...f-severely-mistreating-them-and-their-mother/

The same website as the OP used, stated that he has mistreated his children and his wife. First he should change himself than worry about PTI.

 

[Star_Coffee]

Hassan Nisar’s 3 Sons Accuse Him Of Severely Mistreating Them And Their Mother


Renowned journalist Hassan Nisar’s son Qunain Hassan has accused his father of severely mistreating him and his two brothers. He said that his father is not in touch with him and his two brothers and refuses to meet them.

A few days ago, Hassan Nisar’s other son Shahper Hassan appeared in a video that went viral on social media, saying that he is forced to live in poverty after being abandoned by his father. Shahper’s siblings have now confirmed his claims.

In an interview with digital outlet Pak TV, Qunain Hassan said he along with his brother Shahper recently went to see their father to ask for financial help, but he refused to meet them. He also said that his brother Shahper Hassan is not mentally stable due to the circumstances.

Further, he said that his father would mistreat his mother and the children by beating them up. Their mother passed away a few years ago.

“I last saw my father at my grandmother’s funeral four years ago when I went to help in her burial as per her will”, he said. He further said that he wrote a letter to Hassan Nisar requesting him to buy a house for his sons, but he refused.

However, he said that he still loved his father despite everything.

https://nayadaur.tv/2020/04/hassan-...f-severely-mistreating-them-and-their-mother/

The same website as the OP used, stated that he has mistreated his children and his wife. First he should change himself than worry about PTI.

irrelevant, that is his personal issue.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

irrelevant, that is his personal issue.

This guy lectures everyone else. People are saying that Pakistan needs more people like him. If his children say that he used to beat his wife, and of financially support his family, then that is very relevant. You cant lecture about the ills of society, when you are an abuser yourself.

 

[Star_Coffee]

This guy lectures everyone else. People are saying that Pakistan needs more people like him. If his children say that he used to beat his wife, and of financially support his family, then that is very relevant. You cant lecture about the ills of society, when you are an abuser yourself.

Everyone has skeleton in the closet, let's discuss the content.

 

[Bigboii]

Everyone has skeleton in the closet, let's discuss the content.

He beats his wife

That's not "skeleton in the closet" that's a damn crime it's super serious stuff

I am not going to trust someone intentions if his morallaity is pathetic

Peoples career's end because of this allegation
How many football players were dropped because of this allegation?
How many actors never recover from this allegation?
And on top he was beating his kids so much that they become mental patients

He shouldn't have the audacity to lecture anyone let alone the whole nation
This man should be in jail not abroad!!

 

[moghul]

Ok, you're disappointed with IK, don;t support him anymore and support if there is anyone better, Patwari or Billo but but why leaving Pakistan ? That's a drama bazi.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This guy lectures everyone else. People are saying that Pakistan needs more people like him. If his children say that he used to beat his wife, and of financially support his family, then that is very relevant. You cant lecture about the ills of society, when you are an abuser yourself.

His children also demand that he fund them. Is that a legal requirement?

Regarding him beating his wife, she is no more. So no one knows the truth.

 

[El Generico]

His children also demand that he fund them. Is that a legal requirement?

Regarding him beating his wife, she is no more. So no one knows the truth.

His sons also claim he physical abused them and they are alive to back up the story. But I guess at the end of the day, it’s their word against his.

 

[Slog]

Don’t know his personal issues but he has always supported PTI and Imran Khan. Rather than use his person issues to try to invalidate his opinion, PTI should really look inwards and see what is going wrong.

I think even the most ardent supporters who think critically about PTI (like me) and aren’t blind supporters would accept that apart from Imran khan still being the head this PTI has very little resemblance to the PTI I first supported and backed wholeheartedly in the 2011-2013 period. And it’s undeniable that it hs establishment / army backing (that’s not necessarily a bad thing tho)

However if I have the choice would I still choose this version over Zardari and Sharif. Hell yes!

 

[Mamoon]

I personally lost quite a bit of respect for him after his personal life was exposed to the public. The way he has treated his sons from his first marriage is unacceptable.

He is an extremely arrogant and high grade narcissist who thinks he is always right and never offers any solutions apart from providing criticism.

Still, I am sorry to see him leave because his mindset is far better than 99% of the people in this country.

He is too intelligent and thoughtful to be part of the PTI youth brigade. It was only a matter of time before he opened his eyes to the tabdeeli scam.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Wish everyone had this privilege that they could leave their country for better options when not happy with the government.

 

[Greenstorm]

This is just dramabazi. He has been completely exposed over the past few months by his own son. He has lost respect and is not being invited to TV shows as frequently as he used to be.

He is an arrogant man and cannot withstand the shame hence the decision to move abroad.

 

[Bewal Express]

He will do whatever is best to earn a halal living. I like a lot of what he says but with minority govt IK is doing a good job. Some areas like the Punjab Police and bureaucracy havent been reformed as quickly as they should to get rid of terrible, evil legacy of incompetence and corruption that i would like.

 

[cricketjoshila]

His sons also claim he physical abused them and they are alive to back up the story. But I guess at the end of the day, it’s their word against his.

These sons also want his money, which he isn't willing to give.

If all three sons are estranged. Wife dead. Which family is he taking out of pakistan?

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is just dramabazi. He has been completely exposed over the past few months by his own son. He has lost respect and is not being invited to TV shows as frequently as he used to be.

He is an arrogant man and cannot withstand the shame hence the decision to move abroad.

So if he doesn't give money to his sons he is exposed?

These same sons who want his money and say things against him is gospel truth?

 

[Bigboii]

These sons also want his money, which he isn't willing to give.

If all three sons are estranged. Wife dead. Which family is he taking out of pakistan?

Second wife

 

[Greenstorm]

So if he doesn't give money to his sons he is exposed?

These same sons who want his money and say things against him is gospel truth?

Article in this thread does not paint the whole picture. Watch the video of his son on youtube if you are that interested.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Hasan Nisar inspired me as a kid to be self critical and question my own religion, community and country before I laid a finger on the others. No doubt he goes over the top angry some times but the frustrations at a non working system are understandable.

I never miss a recommendation for any of his videos.

Wish him well. I remember he was very vocal in support for Imran against the then corrupt regime of Sharif and Zardaris.

 

[saeedhk]

‘I was an ahmak (fool) that I supported Imran for 24 years. I wrote columns hailing him and praising him for 24 years. I simply wasted my time. I thought because he was an honest person, he would bring change,’ Hassan Nisar.

 

[PakLFC]

I respect Hassan Nisar mostly for exposing this "Ummah" rubbish that so many Muslims in particular Pakistanis believe in. He is right when telling Pakistanis to worry about our own country instead of Palestine or Arab war zones when those people have always discriminated against us. Most people hate him for telling the truth. He may not be faultless yet mostly speaks the truth telling it the way it is! Honestly, even the staunchest of PTI supporter has to admit that IK has been unable to bring any change at all like he promised. Show me one politician, journalist or thinker anywhere who does not have critics? From what I know Hassan is still living in Pak.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So where did he go? I had a quick skim through the thread but couldn't see any destination mentioned.

 

[King-Misbah]

Very dramatic from Hassan, it will take years to fix the economic mess left by Nawaz and Zardari. The current economic policies are those of the IMF as the country was close to defaulting when Khan took over.

 

[Mamoon]

Very dramatic from Hassan, it will take years to fix the economic mess left by Nawaz and Zardari. The current economic policies are those of the IMF as the country was close to defaulting when Khan took over.

How many years?

 

[Cosmic]

How many years?

7 years More brother, inshAllah and you will see river flowing ginger milk in pakistan.

 

[Mamoon]

7 years More brother, inshAllah and you will see river flowing ginger milk in pakistan.

I cannot wait. We already have rivers of milk and honey flowing in KP after 8 years of PTI rule.

 

[Bigboii]

I cannot wait. We already have rivers of milk and honey flowing in KP after 8 years of PTI rule.

genuine question I am not even a youth brigade so I have nothing to gain with gotcha questions...

Why are the people of KP electing these morons over and over again if they are doing such a bad job?
especially with the KP history of ADHD with its provincial governments (removing them and not giving them a second term)

 

[sindhiboy]

It's not like these journalists were earning millions anyway and still are

The pti government hasn't improved meritocracy and is still very corrupt.
I think Imran khan even admitted a few months ago he was more inept than he thought.

However, Imran khan is making somewhat of an attempt to support business and capitalism, which is what the pakistan needs.

I don't think it would make any difference if pmln gets the next term

 

[Bewal Express]

I cannot wait. We already have rivers of milk and honey flowing in KP after 8 years of PTI rule.

I gave a very detailed reply to your PML greatness statement. Why haven't you replied.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Does anyone know if he left Pakistan? I still can't find any reference as to where he ended up.

 

[Mamoon]

genuine question I am not even a youth brigade so I have nothing to gain with gotcha questions...

Why are the people of KP electing these morons over and over again if they are doing such a bad job?
especially with the KP history of ADHD with its provincial governments (removing them and not giving them a second term)

In 2013, there was genuine hope and optimism about Imran and PTI. People believed that Imran would deliver on the grand promises that he made.

In 2018, they voted for him partly because of the assumption that 2013-2018 was a trial run and they would learn from their mistakes and partly because there was no clear alternative.

It is the same reason why they achieved federal power. The public of Pakistan believed that they would learn from their 5 year experience in KP and will be ready to deliver at the national level.

Although the election was rigged in their favor, the majority nevertheless did vote for PTI.

However, the disastrous performance over the last 3 years has done irreversible damage to both Imran and PTI. Their popularly is at an all-time low and they have lost popular support.

The poor people on the streets are cursing Imran for destroying the economy and making their lives miserable.

If the election is not heavily rigged in 2023 and the choice of the public is respected, PTI will get an absolute thrashing at both federal level and provincial level in KP and Punjab.

 

[sadida97]

In 2013, there was genuine hope and optimism about Imran and PTI. People believed that Imran would deliver on the grand promises that he made.

In 2018, they voted for him partly because of the assumption that 2013-2018 was a trial run and they would learn from their mistakes and partly because there was no clear alternative.

It is the same reason why they achieved federal power. The public of Pakistan believed that they would learn from their 5 year experience in KP and will be ready to deliver at the national level.

Although the election was rigged in their favor, the majority nevertheless did vote for PTI.

However, the disastrous performance over the last 3 years has done irreversible damage to both Imran and PTI. Their popularly is at an all-time low and they have lost popular support.

The poor people on the streets are cursing Imran for destroying the economy and making their lives miserable.

If the election is not heavily rigged in 2023 and the choice of the public is respected, PTI will get an absolute thrashing at both federal level and provincial level in KP and Punjab.

What did u think of pti in 2013?

 

[Bewal Express]

In 2013, there was genuine hope and optimism about Imran and PTI. People believed that Imran would deliver on the grand promises that he made.

In 2018, they voted for him partly because of the assumption that 2013-2018 was a trial run and they would learn from their mistakes and partly because there was no clear alternative.

It is the same reason why they achieved federal power. The public of Pakistan believed that they would learn from their 5 year experience in KP and will be ready to deliver at the national level.

Although the election was rigged in their favor, the majority nevertheless did vote for PTI.

However, the disastrous performance over the last 3 years has done irreversible damage to both Imran and PTI. Their popularly is at an all-time low and they have lost popular support.

The poor people on the streets are cursing Imran for destroying the economy and making their lives miserable.

If the election is not heavily rigged in 2023 and the choice of the public is respected, PTI will get an absolute thrashing at both federal level and provincial level in KP and Punjab.

I gave you a very detailed reply on your claim about the Nooras greatness, what happened to your response? Are you lying and then running hoping that we wont notice.

 

[Bewal Express]

In 2013, there was genuine hope and optimism about Imran and PTI. People believed that Imran would deliver on the grand promises that he made.

In 2018, they voted for him partly because of the assumption that 2013-2018 was a trial run and they would learn from their mistakes and partly because there was no clear alternative.

It is the same reason why they achieved federal power. The public of Pakistan believed that they would learn from their 5 year experience in KP and will be ready to deliver at the national level.

Although the election was rigged in their favor, the majority nevertheless did vote for PTI.

However, the disastrous performance over the last 3 years has done irreversible damage to both Imran and PTI. Their popularly is at an all-time low and they have lost popular support.

The poor people on the streets are cursing Imran for destroying the economy and making their lives miserable.

If the election is not heavily rigged in 2023 and the choice of the public is respected, PTI will get an absolute thrashing at both federal level and provincial level in KP and Punjab.

It seems that you already know the PTI is going to win and are getting your excuses in 1st.

 

[Napa]

“I had believed that Prime Minister Imran Khan has a team of technocrats and political experts who would be able to sort out our economic issues. But these people turned out to be very incompetent. Currently, we aren’t exporting anything except cotton and undergarments, the journalist had said.

This is the crux of Pakistan's economic problems, the failure to develop modern industries.

He had added that after supporting PTI wholeheartedly all these years, it’s written on his head that he is a ‘complete fool’.

IK may have won the elections fairly but it was clear that he was supported by the Army and would not try to reduce the Army's power in domestic affairs. Without civilian supremacy, Pakistan is not going to get essential Western FDI to develop modern industries. So he was indeed a "complete fool" for expecting IK would improve Pakistan's economy.

It really is a tragedy. Pakistan has many talented people and should be doing much much better economically.

 

[MRSN]

How many years?

I thought Imran Khan had said 100 days....

 

[golagunda]

This is the crux of Pakistan's economic problems, the failure to develop modern industries.



IK may have won the elections fairly but it was clear that he was supported by the Army and would not try to reduce the Army's power in domestic affairs. Without civilian supremacy, Pakistan is not going to get essential Western FDI to develop modern industries. So he was indeed a "complete fool" for expecting IK would improve Pakistan's economy.

It really is a tragedy. Pakistan has many talented people and should be doing much much better economically.

Don’t agree with this to be honest. Western FDI was flowing into Pakistan when the army was literally ruling the country under Musharraf. It has more to do with the relationship between the West and whoever is in power. When the west is on good terms with the establishment like it was in the middle years of Musharraf, during the Afghan war or in Ayub era, they don’t let the lack of civilian supremacy come in the way of their economic policies and FDI. Dictators all over the region have been propped up by western economic aid. When the interests don’t coincide all sorts of nitpicky sanctions come into play.

Yes, in an ideal world the military influence in domestic affairs should end but a competent govt especially one supported by the army can get a lot done even if the army is calling the shots. From that perspective expecting IK govt to do well was not foolish at all. He just hasn’t been able to deliver because his govt was woefully unprepared and is learning on the job.

 

[Bigboii]

Don’t agree with this to be honest. Western FDI was flowing into Pakistan when the army was literally ruling the country under Musharraf. It has more to do with the relationship between the West and whoever is in power. When the west is on good terms with the establishment like it was in the middle years of Musharraf, during the Afghan war or in Ayub era, they don’t let the lack of civilian supremacy come in the way of their economic policies and FDI. Dictators all over the region have been propped up by western economic aid. When the interests don’t coincide all sorts of nitpicky sanctions come into play.

Yes, in an ideal world the military influence in domestic affairs should end but a competent govt especially one supported by the army can get a lot done even if the army is calling the shots. From that perspective expecting IK govt to do well was not foolish at all. He just hasn’t been able to deliver because his govt was woefully unprepared and is learning on the job.

He is pointing to a deeper problem

Western FDI may have been coming during millitary regime

But reason why they're not coming now is because of aggressive millitary policies imposed by or at the behest of millitary

Thier policies and it's "impact" are the reason for economic turmoil

So the economy might grow during army years due to the stability it provides not to mention the cash flow from wars but the policies imposed during those years come back to bite us in the back because millitary leaders can't judge the polical impact of thier decisions down the line or hell they don't even have to answer to the public unlike the elected who at the very least can elect PPP if they don't like N league

 

[Bewal Express]

I thought Imran Khan had said 100 days....

What happened to Noora Qabza mafia in Punjab, over 400bn recovered,are you saying he hasnt dealt with your crooks. Who are the likes of Khokhars, Tiffa Butt, Mansha Bomb? Why were they allowed to take over state land. Maybe one day you will have the morals and balls to face these questions, going on your propensity to run at these questions, my guess is that you never will

 

[Bewal Express]

He is pointing to a deeper problem

Western FDI may have been coming during millitary regime

But reason why they're not coming now is because of aggressive millitary policies imposed by or at the behest of millitary

Thier policies and it's "impact" are the reason for economic turmoil

So the economy might grow during army years due to the stability it provides not to mention the cash flow from wars but the policies imposed during those years come back to bite us in the back because millitary leaders can't judge the polical impact of thier decisions down the line or hell they don't even have to answer to the public unlike the elected who at the very least can elect PPP if they don't like N league

Far too simplistic on elections and accountability. Does the average voting understand the billions borrowed from abroad and how its going to paid back. Hell some of the so called educated guys on here don't understand how an exchange is determined and blame IK for the depreciation of the PK rp.

 

[salahuddin10]

In an ideal world nobody would have vote for Imran in 2023 but problem is that we dont have any other option

 

[Mamoon]

What did u think of pti in 2013?

I thought Imran had a genuine manifesto and would not flush his ideology down the toilet to become a dummy PM. In other words, I didn’t think he was going to scam the nation.

 

[Bigboii]

Far too simplistic on elections and accountability. Does the average voting understand the billions borrowed from abroad and how its going to paid back. Hell some of the so called educated guys on here don't understand how an exchange is determined and blame IK for the depreciation of the PK rp.

Average voter dont "understand" a whole lot of issues even in devolped countries
But it doesnt stop thier systems from devoloping and getting better

If you think they're voting for the wrong guy than people will learn if they're not learning they'll learn 20,30 years from now

But the point is they'll learn and that's the process of democracy incompetent people get weeded out in the grand scheme of things

One should trust the process and not look for easy way out like what IK offered to the public...

Democratic process is a long, hard,messy road and quick fixes make it messier

 

[Napa]

Don’t agree with this to be honest. Western FDI was flowing into Pakistan when the army was literally ruling the country under Musharraf.

It is investments by the private sector that creates modern industries. I believe the money coming in during Musharraf's time was coming from Western governments (especially the US) rather than from Western private sector. If Western private firms really were investing during Musharraf's time, then it would have shown up as some industries. Other than textiles, can you point to some industries that Western firms invested in?

It has more to do with the relationship between the West and whoever is in power. When the west is on good terms with the establishment like it was in the middle years of Musharraf, during the Afghan war or in Ayub era, they don’t let the lack of civilian supremacy come in the way of their economic policies and FDI. Dictators all over the region have been propped up by western economic aid. When the interests don’t coincide all sorts of nitpicky sanctions come into play.

Western firms really don't care about what the government relations are between Pakistan and the West. They care about profits and security for their employees and investments. You can't have jihadis running around kidnapping Daniel Pearls and expect Western firms to feel comfortable doing business.

Yes, in an ideal world the military influence in domestic affairs should end but a competent govt especially one supported by the army can get a lot done even if the army is calling the shots. From that perspective expecting IK govt to do well was not foolish at all. He just hasn’t been able to deliver because his govt was woefully unprepared and is learning on the job.

Bottom line is economy will only grow when security of investment is assured, and the Army gets out of running corporations that compete with other private sector corporations.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

It's not like these journalists were earning millions anyway and still are

The pti government hasn't improved meritocracy and is still very corrupt.
I think Imran khan even admitted a few months ago he was more inept than he thought.

However, Imran khan is making somewhat of an attempt to support business and capitalism, which is what the pakistan needs.

I don't think it would make any difference if pmln gets the next term

Yes. Countries prosper with capitalism. And with a corrupt county like Pakistan, you need the minimum amount of government possible.

Thing about PML N is that they did not privatize anything in their 5 years, even though they said the right things. And if Maryam becomes PM she will be more interested in taming the generals than make any improvement in Pakistan business environment.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

IK may have won the elections fairly but it was clear that he was supported by the Army and would not try to reduce the Army's power in domestic affairs.

It was not clear to anyone what IK would do after he won the elections regarding Army role in politics. Even the Army did not know.

Also Army did not support him in the election directly. He got indirect support as Army was setting scores with MQM and PML N.

For example Army divided MQM vote bank into 3.
MQM Pakistan
MQM London
Pak Sarzameen Party

This helped PTI win a few close seats in Karachi. However this was not a favor to IK. Army created MQM in the 80's to counter PPP, however once they went "rogue" the Army wanted to get rid of them.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

It seems that you already know the PTI is going to win and are getting your excuses in 1st.

Thats what it sounds like to me as well. IK has not lost his popularity so far even with all the problems Pakistan has right now. As the economy gets better the chances of PML N winning will decline, so the excuses are coming. I think their is a greater chance PTI gets 2/3 majority than them losing the election.

 

[Bewal Express]

Average voter dont "understand" a whole lot of issues even in devolped countries
But it doesnt stop thier systems from devoloping and getting better

If you think they're voting for the wrong guy than people will learn if they're not learning they'll learn 20,30 years from now

But the point is they'll learn and that's the process of democracy incompetent people get weeded out in the grand scheme of things

One should trust the process and not look for easy way out like what IK offered to the public...

Democratic process is a long, hard,messy road and quick fixes make it messier

You are right democracy takes time to embed but what do you do in the mean time. We can't pay back the loans that we have taken and are borrowing money to pay off previous loans, its akin to using your credit card to pay your mortgage. The other problem is the destruction of all institutions and we have seen this when they tried to prosecute the rich and we find that the Police and judges are scared off the mafia political families.
Democracy is a good form of govt but for us a good dictator would have been ideal, unfortunately our dictators except Ayub have been just as useless and just perpetuated the same system with different faces.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I am just going to assume this Nisar guy didn't actually leave Pakistan after all. Which makes the whole thread about some dramay baaz C-celebrity.