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Dismantle the Pakistan cricket Team

Everyone involved and responsible for this needs to be fined, hit them where it hurts.
 
RIP Pakistan cricket, before it died, you gave us some good memories back in day.
 
It took this long to know pakistan team is bad. Carrying azam and barbar… Nd expect to win. Now against india and canada…better pack up and say bye bye
 
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Pak Cricket can not be fixed until the politics is a mess. The two are absolutely linked.
 
Pakistani media having a meltdown. If this team crashes out there willl be a rebuild no doubt.

I hope Kirsten plays a big part in selecting a new squad and just sticking with it for a couple of years.

The players are now playing for their spots. I can only see Babar, Rizwan, Shaheen, Naseem surviving at the moment.
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
Pakistani media having a meltdown. If this team crashes out there willl be a rebuild no doubt.

I hope Kirsten plays a big part in selecting a new squad and just sticking with it for a couple of years.

The players are now playing for their spots. I can only see Babar, Rizwan, Shaheen, Naseem surviving at the moment.
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There should be no such investments (like hiring Mr kirsten) on national team. If you want to invest, invest in domestics

Should also reduce the perks of centrally contracted losers as much as possible and distribute the saved money among domestic performers
 
hur rizvi said:
There should be no such investments (like hiring Mr kirsten) on national team. If you want to invest, invest in domestics

Should also reduce the perks of centrally contracted losers as much as possible and distribute the saved money among domestic performers
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They are not short of money. Can do both.
 
Who pays for all the relatives that join the team? It looks like Babars whole khandaan is in USA. Saw a clip of his father with so much arrogance talking or trying to talk in English.

First of all stop this luxury of allowing them to join the players.

This is another example of them treating it like a holiday.
 
Personally, I think Pakistan cricket is finished.

I wanted the tournament to officially finish before creating this thread.

We are light years behind the top teams, and miles behind everyone else. We’ve had such pathetic infrastructure and mindset since 2010 I think even if we change the mindset we do not have the skill set to compete anymore.

The only exclusion discipline of fast bowling. If we manage our pacers well, they can do a decent job. I still wouldn’t put them as best in the world or even close to, but they can do a good job.

The spinners are pathetic. I don’t even know where to start.

And most of all, the batting. Where are the 6 and power hitters? Where are the 360 players? Where are the finishers? We just have a list of accumulators and even those accumulators don’t have gears and can only perform when all the odds are stacked in their favour like flat pitches, mediocre bowling to them. Anything out of the ordinary and they’re useless too.

I don’t see a way back. I think Pakistan cricket is finished. We are at associate level, but even worse than that, the associates at least have a better mindset. They even have better 6 hitters.

I would normally search for solutions but there aren’t any.

RIP Pakistan cricket.
 
It's not cricket, it's sports-politics.

Chal raha hai, chalta rahay ga.
 
TheSultan said:
Personally, I think Pakistan cricket is finished.

I wanted the tournament to officially finish before creating this thread.

We are light years behind the top teams, and miles behind everyone else. We’ve had such pathetic infrastructure and mindset since 2010 I think even if we change the mindset we do not have the skill set to compete anymore.

The only exclusion discipline of fast bowling. If we manage our pacers well, they can do a decent job. I still wouldn’t put them as best in the world or even close to, but they can do a good job.

The spinners are pathetic. I don’t even know where to start.

And most of all, the batting. Where are the 6 and power hitters? Where are the 360 players? Where are the finishers? We just have a list of accumulators and even those accumulators don’t have gears and can only perform when all the odds are stacked in their favour like flat pitches, mediocre bowling to them. Anything out of the ordinary and they’re useless too.

I don’t see a way back. I think Pakistan cricket is finished. We are at associate level, but even worse than that, the associates at least have a better mindset. They even have better 6 hitters.

I would normally search for solutions but there aren’t any.

RIP Pakistan cricket.
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We are a class below Australia England South Africa and India in T20.

I gave up on our long format chances a while back. But in T20 I'm not too despondent. We can be back in the swing of things in a few years. If Scotland can produce power hitters there is no reason we can't.

Our problem is a unique one. The batsmen who can stay at the wicket refuse to hit sixes. The batsmen who hit sixes refuse to stay at the wicket.

As I have said in many threads now abandon the folly that we will be a good test side. Start training exclusively in power hitting and range hitting.

Apart from 7 balls ( 6 from Amir and one from Haris) our bowling hadn't been too bad in the tournament.

We must however reprioritize our batting ideology urgently.
 
Pakistan cricket is far from finished, but it desperately needs attacking reliable batsmen in the middle order. You can have Rizwan and Babar but one has to play the attacking role like Rohit sharma and not worry about losing their wicket even if it means a 15 ball 25-30 score

The other can anchor and the middle order has to be able to score runs at a fast rate and be reliable enough to contribute more often than not.

The seam bowling core is really strong with Naseem , Shaheen Shah and Mohammed Amir. Harris Rauf gets tonked around sometimes but he has bowled some really good spells at the death.

What's needed is a good spinner. Shadab and Imad both arent really doing it against top sides.
 
Pakistan is searching for pace allrounder, spinner, hard hitting middle order batsman from previous 15 years and are still searching for same . This tells you lot about infrastructure of Pakistan cricket. So I fully back this Pakistan cricket is finished to core.
 
The team is already dismanted, when the squad for Bangladesh tests is announced, people will realise there is nothing left to dismantle
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
It took all of them to come up with this PSL squad. They must have watched some PSL highlights, looked at a few stats and a few parchis, job done. :ROFLMAO:

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None of theee players seem to be or have a reputation to be great thinkers of the game. Not sure why were they selected to make such important decisions.
 
Gary Kirsten spent only a month with the team but unlike the fangirl Ramiz who overhyped this pathetic bunch for years, he was very blunt, you guys have been playing for 7-8 years but none of you can play in every corner of the ground, know which shot to play in which situations, your fitness levels are very poor and your skills are very far behind the rest of the world.

Going forward there will be no compromise on fitness, I want players with 360 stroke play ability and only players who improve, work hard and develop their skills will play.
 
Too many serious , talented, professional teams going around. We need Pakistan's mercurial team to keep things interesting in ICC tournaments
 
If we have any dignity left, we must send Babar, Rizwan, Shaheen, Haris and Shadab back to domestic cricket for at least two years. Players like Azam Khan and Iftikhar Ahmed should never be allowed near the Pakistan team, no matter what they do.

We must start all over again, but at least keep this toxic bunch away from a fresh team.
 
usman.sandhu said:
If we have any dignity left, we must send Babar, Rizwan, Shaheen, Haris and Shadab back to domestic cricket for at least two years. Players like Azam Khan and Iftikhar Ahmed should never be allowed near the Pakistan team, no matter what they do.

We must start all over again, but at least keep this toxic bunch away from a fresh team.
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This.
As long as Babar is Captain/in the team I will not even bother to watch.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Too many serious , talented, professional teams going around. We need Pakistan's mercurial team to keep things interesting in ICC tournaments
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I hope the ICC takes the Champions Trophy away from these clowns.

We need a bigger disaster than what just happened to restart our cricket, and CT being taken away will definitely get the alarm bells going.
 
This has to happen. You cannot keep betting on donkeys and expect them to roar. You need to let the donkeys go and adopt lion cubs and hope they mature soon enough but I would rather lose with lion cubs than lose with donkey adults.
 
Pakistan cricket is in rapid decline, in a short period, we have faced more than 5 humiliating defeats.
 
No coming back from here. SL have punched above their weight in some games but since Jaya and Sanga left, they are firmly classed as below average.

Pakistan is the same. They are as abysmal a unit of 11 ego-driven money kicks that you can put together.
 
RidiculousMan said:
Keep your expectations lower. Pakistan is a mid table team. They're not on the level of England or Australia but they're not on the level of Bangladesh either.
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I agree. BD have looked a level higher than PAK in this Test series. Very prescient, brother.
 
Thank you Misbah for your services to pur cricket.

Thank you for appointing Babar as captain and rizwan as temporary captain against nz for which we lost by 101 runs.

Thank you Misbah for causing us to lose pur no 1 rank, from beating Australia at full strength to losing to Zimbabwe in a series.

Thank you Misbah for founding the chacha fakhar duo in a super over which caused us to lose to Zimbabwe and 4 years later to USA.

Thank you Misbah for suggesting abrar who couldn't do a damn against Bangladesh.

Thank you Misbah for bringing back chacha who along with rizwan lost us asia cup 2022.

Thank you Ramiz raja for ruining pindi pitch and bootlicking the fake king.

And most importantly, Thank you naqvi for your genuis decison to appoint Shan, And reappoint babar. I salute you sir.
 
No team in the history of Test cricket has lost by an innings after scoring 500 or more in their first innings... could Pakistan be about to be the first here?

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Amjid Javed said:
Having watched Pakistan 1st play in 1987 to now, I think its time Pakistan had its test status removed
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Nah, that's too drastic.

Pakistani batsmen and bowlers , both need well balanced pitch in domestic to develop their games. Same well balanced pitches should be used in internationals even if it means losing all tests. Right now, bowlers and batsmen both lack skills. Not saying that Pakistan is doing poorly due to pitches, they may keep doing doing poorly even on well balnced pitches, but you develop your game by playing on that. Just look at Babar, hyped a lot by many and yet he has glaring weakness against spin and pace. Most Pakistani pacers lacking new ball skills is an age old problem.

It's the lowest phase for Paksitan for sure, but solution can't be to stop playing test cicket. Solution is to have a strong deomestic sewt up and keep playing test cricket.
 
Buffet said:
Nah, that's too drastic.

Pakistani batsmen and bowlers , both need well balanced pitch in domestic to develop their games. Same well balanced pitches should be used in internationals even if it means losing all tests. Right now, bowlers and batsmen both lack skills. Not saying that Pakistan is doing poorly due to pitches, they may keep doing doing poorly even on well balnced pitches, but you develop your game by playing on that. Just look at Babar, hyped a lot by many and yet he has glaring weakness against spin and pace. Most Pakistani pacers lacking new ball skills is an age old problem.

It's the lowest phase for Paksitan for sure, but solution can't be to stop playing test cicket. Solution is to have a strong deomestic sewt up and keep playing test cricket.
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The fact that Pakistan are getting murghi and danda treatment away from home is understandable. But when the home performances are even more pathetic then its time for drastic measures.

Australia 0-1 (3)
England 0-3 (3)
New Zealand 0-0 (2)
Bangladesh 0-2 (2)

Pakistan haven't won a single game in last 4 series or 10 tests, nor have they even looked remotely like winning any of those games.

Vast majority of players in those series have been the same.

Time to demote and start playing 4 day games like Zimbabwe. Heck right now west indies, Zimbabwe or even Ireland would fancy their chances beating these current clowns parading as test cricketers.
 
FearlessRoar said:
No team in the history of Test cricket has lost by an innings after scoring 500 or more in their first innings... could Pakistan be about to be the first here?

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Could ?? Bro, you are one very very optimistic Pak cricket team supporter ! :)
 
The current problem with Pakistan cricket is deep rooted and stems from top management. For example, the management has not been able to take any action of note in the past 2 years for consistent below average performances by Pakistan Cricket team. We have been whitewashed at home from Bangladesh yet we are stubborn enough to carry on playing because there is no sense of accountability. Mir Hamza and Khurram Shahzad were actually better than most of our players against Bangladesh but they are sidelined for golden boys Shah brothers. Whilst our top order has been a consistent failure and when the time came around in 2nd innings to show some metal they succumbed once again. Babar has lost form which impacts Pakistan immensely as he is the sole top caliber batter. Saud is still trying to make a name for himself although been playing for last 3 years now. Salman Agha not sure if he warrants a place or not. Lastly our captain is a joke. However the bigger joke is Mohsin Naqvi and its well documented that this idiot who knows nothing about cricket has singlehandedly destroyed our cricket. Pakistan cricket is a reflection of the state of our country and what better image to have for Pakistan cricket than Naqvi who showcases the broken system with a bowed head and a wry smile.
 
Should give the entire team a big break from Test cricket and let them work out the issues - no point in them playing cricket when their brains are so fried. Also management should use their collective brains in a)fixing the pitches & b)work out series scheduling - still don’t understand what was the point of conducting an ODI domestic series right before start of a marquee test series?
 
The PCB irrationally insists on producing unsporting, lifeless pitches that don’t benefit the team. They continue to select the same players who have consistently failed. The so-called main bowler, Shaheen, can’t provide breakthroughs or even threaten opposition batsmen.

The problems facing Pakistan cricket are administrative (failed selectors, political figures running the PCB, a broken domestic setup), technical (unacceptable pitches for questionable reasons, poor team selection despite repeated failures, a captain who can’t justify his place, and a corrosive team culture), and psychological (a team that mentally loses before stepping onto the field, with a weak mindset). These factors all contribute to the slow decline of Pakistan cricket.
 
Have to look what we realistically can do.

Kamran needs to come in he is our best batsman in domestic currently and we need to bolster our top 4. The top four is constantly folding every game. I would drop Saim who is the only one who hasn’t succeeded at all in international cricket yet. At least the others can potentially come back to form, Saim isn’t ready. Open with Masood instead of Saim, fit Kamran at 3.

It might be time to adjust babar’s position. I don’t think dropping him from the team is the right decision, he has been good for too long. But he’s playing in a position where he has the responsibility of carrying the line up. Too much pressure. On the other hand Saud has relatively looked decent, and I think might need to play at 4 now. Babar should drop to at least 5. Maybe even 6 if Salman Agha would rather bat at 5.

I also would keep Abdullah. I know people want him out but there aren’t a lot of options and at least he’s scored centuries.

Fast bowlers, spinners I don’t know who to pick. But they need to be fit. I’m also in favour of dropping Shaheen, I think all we’re doing is injuring him for sub par test returns.

You could remove the captaincy but quite frankly if your top 4 aren’t firing, your bowlers are unfit and bowling badly, I don’t know what to do. It’s an issue now as masood played the best pak innings in the match. And he’s not the weakest player in the line up, it’s Saim. Maybe he deserves to lose captaincy, but hard now chucking out a guy as a player who scored a century for the unknown, especially with one of the openers already failing.

You could play an order of something like:
1. Abdullah
2. Masood
3. Kamran
4. Saud
5. Babar
6. Agha
7. Rizwan
 
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Fact is they have been awful for a decade and decline has been drastic. Shocking team needs a full revamp. Bowlers are awful too
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Fans turned blind eye on the weaknesses due to bashing of weakened sides and one off big results and hyped it as a golden era. Now they must celebrate the era they wanted.
 
Amjid Javed said:
The fact that Pakistan are getting murghi and danda treatment away from home is understandable. But when the home performances are even more pathetic then its time for drastic measures.

Australia 0-1 (3)
England 0-3 (3)
New Zealand 0-0 (2)
Bangladesh 0-2 (2)

Pakistan haven't won a single game in last 4 series or 10 tests, nor have they even looked remotely like winning any of those games.

Vast majority of players in those series have been the same.

Time to demote and start playing 4 day games like Zimbabwe. Heck right now west indies, Zimbabwe or even Ireland would fancy their chances beating these current clowns parading as test cricketers.
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You are being too imotional. It will be a big loss for internationl cricket if big test nation like Pakistan stops playing test cricket.

I admit it's been very bad in recent years, but it can only go up from here. Sure, shaking things up is not a bad idea because you can't keep losing at home and keep everything same.
 
When the squad came out, I said there were so many issues with this team that I didn't even know where to start.

It's a terrible state of affairs top to bottom.

The team is already below par and they continue to shoot themselves in the foot by constantly selecting the same players. When something doesn't work, you don't just keep trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. It's like they have stopped seeking improvement and gain pleasure from the constant beatdowns.

Bare minimum you bring in guys that are performing in domestic cricket and give them a fair chance. Let's assume the current XI is the best in your domestic cricket, well it's not working so move onto the next in line and give them a chance. You gotta be insane to just bring back the same rubbish after the Bangladesh loss and that's exactly what they did.
 
kingusama92 said:
When the squad came out, I said there were so many issues with this team that I didn't even know where to start.

It's a terrible state of affairs top to bottom.

The team is already below par and they continue to shoot themselves in the foot by constantly selecting the same players. When something doesn't work, you don't just keep trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. It's like they have stopped seeking improvement and gain pleasure from the constant beatdowns.

Bare minimum you bring in guys that are performing in domestic cricket and give them a fair chance. Let's assume the current XI is the best in your domestic cricket, well it's not working so move onto the next in line and give them a chance. You gotta be insane to just bring back the same rubbish after the Bangladesh loss and that's exactly what they did.
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+1

I don't follow Pakistan's domestic but I see many posts here that this is the best XI possible from Pakistan.

Well, if best is getting whitewahsed by BD at home, then its time to try out new options even if they are not best.

Not doing any shake up after losing 0-2 against BD? If not after that then when?
 
Buffet said:
+1

I don't follow Pakistan's domestic but I see many posts here that this is the best XI possible from Pakistan.

Well, if best is getting whitewahsed by BD at home, then its time to try out new options even if they are not best.

Not doing any shake up after losing 0-2 against BD? If not after that then when?
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Exactly.

There is no excuse for this.

And if this is the best XI then it's time to give them more time to work on their game in FC cricket. Let a few of them go back and grind a bit if they're your best guys.

Since they're so good, they should eventually perform and pile on the runs or take lots of wickets. Get them in the right frame of mind and then select them again based on their performance.

Watching these guys get butchered at the international level is ridiculous. If these are their top players then the mental beating they are taking right now might render them useless forever if this continues.
 
For the first time since 2003 I can't see a way out. I can't think of any replacements, nothing on the horizon.

The US defeat was the beginning of the freefall and this seems like capitulation. It could take us 3 years atleast to rebuild so get used to losing.
 
kingusama92 said:
When the squad came out, I said there were so many issues with this team that I didn't even know where to start.

It's a terrible state of affairs top to bottom.

The team is already below par and they continue to shoot themselves in the foot by constantly selecting the same players. When something doesn't work, you don't just keep trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. It's like they have stopped seeking improvement and gain pleasure from the constant beatdowns.

Bare minimum you bring in guys that are performing in domestic cricket and give them a fair chance. Let's assume the current XI is the best in your domestic cricket, well it's not working so move onto the next in line and give them a chance. You gotta be insane to just bring back the same rubbish after the Bangladesh loss and that's exactly what they did.
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Agreed.

These guys are mentally shot to pieces and even if they are the best, its time to drop them for their own sanity.
 
RyanRyan10 said:
Fans turned blind eye on the weaknesses due to bashing of weakened sides and one off big results and hyped it as a golden era. Now they must celebrate the era they wanted.
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Well now we get bashed by weakened sides too, so it’s a consistent decline.

Losing to USA.

Losing to Ireland.

Humiliated by Afghanistan.

White-washed by Bangladesh.

All within a year, and you expect the same set of players to be in the right frame of mind to perform?

These players are torturing themselves and destroying Pakistan cricket in the process.
 
Buffet said:
You are being too imotional. It will be a big loss for internationl cricket if big test nation like Pakistan stops playing test cricket.

I admit it's been very bad in recent years, but it can only go up from here. Sure, shaking things up is not a bad idea because you can't keep losing at home and keep everything same.
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Why would it be a loss to international cricket if Pakistan had test status removed? Apart from opposition getting cheap easy runs and wickets.

Everytime Pakistan go on your the players are more interested in sight seeing and posting meals and days out in social media then actually playing cricket.

The team got humilated at home vs Bangladesh and the same squad and captain retained? Which is pathetic. Sub standard pitches, stadiums which look like they still belong on the 1950s.

PCB have no interest in addressing the poor decline on the pitch. No it won't get better. Even when W.I tour Pakistan they will win a test or even the series here.

Over the last 4 years, in the different formats the team finds a new way to humilate itself. In regards to test cricket they is simple no application from these players or appetite and mental strength to want to play this format.

Pakistan will get its revenue at home from ODIs and T20s (I don't like this format). Test cricket is dead now for Pakistan and current players, PCB are to blame for thar.
 
Buffet said:
You are being too imotional. It will be a big loss for internationl cricket if big test nation like Pakistan stops playing test cricket.

I admit it's been very bad in recent years, but it can only go up from here. Sure, shaking things up is not a bad idea because you can't keep losing at home and keep everything same.
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The team was pampered too much after 152-0.

Chane ke jhaar pe charha dia jisko ..ab wo baar girti ja rahi hai.

going deeper and deeper with every defeat. i mean seriously...first team ever to lose after 550 that too on a dead pitch.

If i was pakistani and same happened to India , it wud be normal to say for me im enjoying this

but all that shenanigans of 152 -0 , have kicked Pakistani team since then

ur team needs a complete Engine tyre oil etc overhaul otherwise new infamous records like this will be made
 
Banda298 said:
The team was pampered too much after 152-0.

Chane ke jhaar pe charha dia jisko ..ab wo baar girti ja rahi hai.

going deeper and deeper with every defeat. i mean seriously...first team ever to lose after 550 that too on a dead pitch.

If i was pakistani and same happened to India , it wud be normal to say for me im enjoying this

but all that shenanigans of 152 -0 , have kicked Pakistani team since then

ur team needs a complete Engine tyre oil etc overhaul otherwise new infamous records like this will be made
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Stop making everything about India, there are other teams playing cricket too. This post is nothing but hogwash. How can a victory in a crucial World Cup game be the reason for any sort of decline? What did you expect the fans to do after a decent semi-final showing?

The issues plaguing our cricket are deeper than this on-the-surface aspects about idolizing players etc.

You can use the search button and read up a bit.
 
Extra_Cover said:
The current problem with Pakistan cricket is deep rooted and stems from top management. For example, the management has not been able to take any action of note in the past 2 years for consistent below average performances by Pakistan Cricket team. We have been whitewashed at home from Bangladesh yet we are stubborn enough to carry on playing because there is no sense of accountability. Mir Hamza and Khurram Shahzad were actually better than most of our players against Bangladesh but they are sidelined for golden boys Shah brothers. Whilst our top order has been a consistent failure and when the time came around in 2nd innings to show some metal they succumbed once again. Babar has lost form which impacts Pakistan immensely as he is the sole top caliber batter. Saud is still trying to make a name for himself although been playing for last 3 years now. Salman Agha not sure if he warrants a place or not. Lastly our captain is a joke. However the bigger joke is Mohsin Naqvi and its well documented that this idiot who knows nothing about cricket has singlehandedly destroyed our cricket. Pakistan cricket is a reflection of the state of our country and what better image to have for Pakistan cricket than Naqvi who showcases the broken system with a bowed head and a wry smile.
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You need to go few notches above top management of cricket to find the real root cause of all the issues plaguing PCT.
 
Time for government to completely outsource entire cricketing administration & set up from every level (grassroot, domestic & international) to multi national company for at least 5 years or even more with strong accountability and KPIs. There shouldn't be any involvement of politicians, ex cricketers in set up and no influence of media. Only strong MNC which can work with full authority and without any external influence and change the current pathetic state of affairs
 
Please dismantle asap and save us all from the humiliation and misery. This would be no loss to Test cricket or any other form of cricket. Its a sad relic of a past that's long gone.
 
Not sure why this team is any different the one dismantled in 2003
With imam as captain, and other batsmen like kamran, hurraira and yousuf
Also bowlers like mir hamza, asif afridi, abbas afridi, mohammed abbas
And also spinners like zafar, zahid and minhas
 
Amjid Javed said:
Why would it be a loss to international cricket if Pakistan had test status removed? Apart from opposition getting cheap easy runs and wickets.

Everytime Pakistan go on your the players are more interested in sight seeing and posting meals and days out in social media then actually playing cricket.

The team got humilated at home vs Bangladesh and the same squad and captain retained? Which is pathetic. Sub standard pitches, stadiums which look like they still belong on the 1950s.

PCB have no interest in addressing the poor decline on the pitch. No it won't get better. Even when W.I tour Pakistan they will win a test or even the series here.

Over the last 4 years, in the different formats the team finds a new way to humilate itself. In regards to test cricket they is simple no application from these players or appetite and mental strength to want to play this format.

Pakistan will get its revenue at home from ODIs and T20s (I don't like this format). Test cricket is dead now for Pakistan and current players, PCB are to blame for thar.
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Yes, Performance against Pakistan won't be rated much in recent years, but Pakistan's test history is not just recent years. Now I would agree if situation remains the same for the next 5-7 years. Pakistan's current situation is too extreme for sure but I am hoping for some improvement in future. I would start by shaking up team despite the claims of this being the best XI for Pakistan. Best or not, you can't keep playing same team after losing 0-2 against BD at home.

I get it, Pakistan is not even fighting, but 5 years of poor cricket doesn't meant stop playing test cricket. No one was suggesting not playing test for Pkaistan just 5 years back.
 
Banda298 said:
The team was pampered too much after 152-0.

Chane ke jhaar pe charha dia jisko ..ab wo baar girti ja rahi hai.

going deeper and deeper with every defeat. i mean seriously...first team ever to lose after 550 that too on a dead pitch.

If i was pakistani and same happened to India , it wud be normal to say for me im enjoying this

but all that shenanigans of 152 -0 , have kicked Pakistani team since then

ur team needs a complete Engine tyre oil etc overhaul otherwise new infamous records like this will be made
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I don't think appreciating rare wins against India has much to do with Pakistan losing tests non stop at home against all kinds of oppositions.
 
There is a serious grouping and politics inside the dressing room. Some players deliberately underperformed or dont want to play on their potential.
Shaheen and rizwan pulling strings so that they can occupy the captaincy chair. But PCB is not reluctant to give to them and also cannot remove them due to some reasons
 
adi_62941 said:
There is a serious grouping and politics inside the dressing room. Some players deliberately underperformed or dont want to play on their potential.
Shaheen and rizwan pulling strings so that they can occupy the captaincy chair. But PCB is not reluctant to give to them and also cannot remove them due to some reasons
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Not sure about this, but if that's the case why not drop such players? No one should be playing at top level unless they are putting 100%.

Posters cite this loss and USA T20, but lowest for me would be losing 0-2 against BD on home grounds. I thought some shake will happen but nothing happened.
 
Buffet said:
Yes, Performance against Pakistan won't be rated much in recent years, but Pakistan's test history is not just recent years. Now I would agree if situation remains the same for the next 5-7 years. Pakistan's current situation is too extreme for sure but I am hoping for some improvement in future. I would start by shaking up team despite the claims of this being the best XI for Pakistan. Best or not, you can't keep playing same team after losing 0-2 against BD at home.

I get it, Pakistan is not even fighting, but 5 years of poor cricket doesn't meant stop playing test cricket. No one was suggesting not playing test for Pkaistan just 5 years back.
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It's not just the performance it's the whole set up which is poor.

The test venues are a shambles
The pitches are tailor made towards the cowards in the team and even then they are getting hammered
The selectors are pandering towards the usual spoilt brats in the team
Do you see any of senior players showing appetite for tests or just going through motions
Let's be real it's not as though PCB are getting huge gate reciepts for these tests
Even getting sponsors of TV coverage is getting more hard work

All the corrupt, self centred cronies in PCB who have their own agendas to pedal deserve the humiliation this current team is going through.

All this fuss was made that test cricket was needed to be played in Pakistan, all PCB have done is turn into a circus ground for clowns in the team.
 
adi_62941 said:
There is a serious grouping and politics inside the dressing room. Some players deliberately underperformed or dont want to play on their potential.
Shaheen and rizwan pulling strings so that they can occupy the captaincy chair. But PCB is not reluctant to give to them and also cannot remove them due to some reasons
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This has always been case in Pakistan cricket. Difference is current players are prepared to put hard work in and achieved nothing. The spoilt brat mentality and entitlement with zero achievements will be the death of Pakistani test cricket.
 
Amjid Javed said:
It's not just the performance it's the whole set up which is poor.

The test venues are a shambles
The pitches are tailor made towards the cowards in the team and even then they are getting hammered
The selectors are pandering towards the usual spoilt brats in the team
Do you see any of senior players showing appetite for tests or just going through motions
Let's be real it's not as though PCB are getting huge gate reciepts for these tests
Even getting sponsors of TV coverage is getting more hard work

All the corrupt, self centred cronies in PCB who have their own agendas to pedal deserve the humiliation this current team is going through.

All this fuss was made that test cricket was needed to be played in Pakistan, all PCB have done is turn into a circus ground for clowns in the team.
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Where money is being spent? Yah, Pakistan is not going to generate anything by Eng playing test in Pakistan, but PCB gets decent amount from ICC.

Decent pitch preparation can't be that costly. Stadiums also can be in a good shape if PCB focuses on just 3-4 venues. I mean, resources may not be that high but should be enough to have 3-4 decent stadiums with well prepared pitch. Once it's there, cricket will look better and TV coverage will attract sponsors.
 
There are numerous issues currently plaguing Pakistan cricket, many of which could be addressed relatively quickly.

First, let’s tackle the elephant in the room: the skill level of Pakistani players. At present, they lack the skills needed to compete effectively against top teams like Australia, India, and England. This is a significant concern and cannot be rectified overnight; it will require a comprehensive overhaul of domestic cricket.

Next, we need to consider intentions—not those of the players, whose on-field intent is meaningless without accompanying skills. I'm referring to the intentions of the PCB. Are they genuinely committed to improving Pakistan cricket? If they were, we wouldn’t see so many non-merit-based appointments throughout the organization. The appointments of Mohsin Naqvi as Chairman, Wahab Riaz as a selector, and Bilal Afzal as a data analyst all highlight a troubling disregard for meritocracy. The PCB seems to operate as a cash cow, much like how politicians view the state of Pakistan, allowing the organization's issues to reflect the broader governance problems in the country. Fixing this is not inherently difficult. A dedicated administrator who does not treat the PCB as a money-making venture could restructure the organization effectively within months and appoint the right people for the right roles. The current PCB leadership's seriousness can be gauged by the inclusion of Aleem Dar as a selector.

Another issue is the absence of a dominant leader, or "alpha male," within the cricket team. Successful teams often have one clear leader who commands respect. For India, it was Dhoni and then Kohli; for England, it’s Ben Stokes; Australia has had its share with Steve Waugh, Ricky Ponting, and now Pat Cummins. These leaders assert their authority, maintaining discipline within the squad. Cummins publicly got rid of Justin Langer much like Kohli did with Kumble. Ramiz Raza, despite my personal reservations about him, attempted to establish Babar Azam as this leader, prominently featuring him in media. Whether Babar was suitable for this role or deserved it is up for debate, but currently, there is no such figure in Pakistan cricket. The team has transitioned from alpha males like Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, and Inzamam-ul-Haq to a vacuum that breeds power struggles, as seen with the tensions between Babar and Shaheen Afridi. This issue could be resolved simply by appointing either Shaheen or Rizwan as captain and allowing them to assert themselves on the squad.

Fixture management and preparation for series are also areas needing urgent attention. It is illogical to have a domestic 50-over tournament as preparation for a Test series against England. In the past, players like Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq often found themselves waiting months between Test matches, preventing them from capitalizing on good form. With the current trend of playing T20 leagues, transitioning back to Test cricket becomes increasingly challenging. The PCB must ensure that players are match-ready through consistent four-day cricket.

The condition of the pitches is another issue that could be addressed immediately. The long-standing strategy of preparing flat pitches to neutralize opposing bowlers has proven ineffective. Statistics show that Pakistan's batting collapses are often due to mental pressure rather than pitch conditions. These players will even fold on a cement pitch. Historically, Pakistan has performed well in India, Sri Lanka, and Bangladesh, suggesting that spinning tracks should not intimidate them. Yet, Pakistan continues to produce pitches that lack any significant turn.

Returning to the skills issue, this problem has stemmed from misguided decisions by the PCB over the past decade. Although Imran Khan's establishment of a five-team domestic setup was a bold move, it ultimately proved detrimental. The decision to eliminate department teams was particularly damaging. While common sense eventually prevailed with the restoration of the old domestic structure, the PCB has frequently undermined this progress with poor decisions, such as limiting first innings to 80 overs in an attempt to quicken the pace of run-scoring. A year from now, we may see middle-order batsmen entering international cricket with little experience facing the second new ball, leaving them unprepared.

Skill development is a gradual process, and it is the PCB’s responsibility to equip players with the necessary tools. However, what we see instead is a counterproductive approach. Players like Kamran Ghulam may appear promising, but they are products of a flawed domestic system, likely to be exposed by quality international bowlers, much like Saud Shakeel has been. Without corrective measures, it will take five to six years to see a new generation of players who can sustain high-performance levels.

Despite these challenges, the current results do not accurately reflect the potential of this Pakistan team. While it may be a second-tier side, it should consistently defeat teams like Sri Lanka, West Indies, and Bangladesh, both at home and abroad. In home conditions, they should at least be drawing against England if not more. If the PCB embraces meritocracy in its decision-making, this team can reverse its decline. However, if the PCB continues on its current path, the decline of Pakistan cricket may become irreversible.
 
This includes the women's team too, another embarrassing outfit that couldn't compete with a sloth in a sprint.

Just wind up this sad pathetic institution that is called Pakistan cricket.
 
Bring Misbah out of retirement. Only he can save Pakistan cricket.

People forget Pakistan reached no 1 in Test for the first time just 8 years ago. He built the fortress in UAE where Pakistan remain undefeated. But greedy Pakistani fans took things for granted and disrespected legendary cricketer like Misbah. Now Pakistan are struggling to even draw a test in their own home ☹️.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Well now we get bashed by weakened sides too, so it’s a consistent decline.

Losing to USA.

Losing to Ireland.

Humiliated by Afghanistan.

White-washed by Bangladesh.

All within a year, and you expect the same set of players to be in the right frame of mind to perform?

These players are torturing themselves and destroying Pakistan cricket in the process.
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Usman Chadda said:
Well now we get bashed by weakened sides too, so it’s a consistent decline.

Losing to USA.

Losing to Ireland.

Humiliated by Afghanistan.

White-washed by Bangladesh.

All within a year, and you expect the same set of players to be in the right frame of mind to perform?

These players are torturing themselves and destroying Pakistan cricket in the process.
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This is due to the fact that some players have already surpassed their peak period. They had already been employing an outdated style of play and mixing up formats to make selections even prior to this. What is need now is to transform their style of cricket and give more importance to domestic cricket. Also select the right players for each specific format moving forward.
 
humiliation and losses it has become the norm. Any other team would have retired out of shame. I follow Pak cricket since WC 99. Since I made this thread I have basically stopped following Pak cricket.
 
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