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Ok I'm not sure whether India deserves to be no 1 in T20s but various arguments can be raised in favour of India.

1)Since 2016,India have a more complete record as compared to any other team.India have been very good at home .Away from home,India have won series in Australia,South Africa and England by 3-0,2-1,2-1 respectively.Pakistan biggest T20 series win came against NZ in NZ.

2)India's better performance in last T20 WC as compared to Pakistan.Also India defeated Pakistan in that WC along with win against them in asia cup.

Given India consistency in this format,You might expect India to be ranked no 1 in T20s perhaps even comfortably but unfortunately they had their match in Pakistan.

Pakistan are not only ranked no 1 but also lead by 8 points ahead of India.

Overall,I think it's very close than what ranking suggests.

IMO Pakistan and India easily deserves to be ranked as top 2 T20 sides in the world but it was strange to see that Australia were ranked 2nd before India's recent 2-1 series win against England.
 
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Yes, they do. Thanks to IPL, they have improved tremendously in this forum and confidence of their players is also very high.
 
Pakistan has won what 8-9 series in a row? So, that's impressive as well. Rankings take the latest performance into consideration, and you can't beat a record no. of consecutive series wins.

On the other hand, the T20 rankings are funny tbh. E.g. Yuzi is ranked 4, Kuli is ranked 34 - we know who the better bowler is. Bumrah was ranked in top 10 IIRC, he skipped one 3-match series and he's not even in top 20 now. Ozzies were consistently ranked 6-8th, but out of nowhere were ranked 2 when I saw last. T20 rankings need to be taken with a pinch of salt.
 
Pakistan vs India series in current form would have ended this debate once and for all.. Since that will never happen Pakistani fans will say Pakistan deserves it indian fans will say India deserves it..
 
Everyone knows I hate the T20 rankings..but its the only way we can rank anyone..teams that win the most series deserve to be up there and India deserve it as much as pakistan did..
 
Disgraceful behaviour by some Indian fans in not acknowledging Pakistan cricket.
 
If you deserve then you will be rank 1. Pakistan's performance has been better and they have more points.
 
I don't know why people are even caring about rankings and stats in t20? I just watch t20 as entertainment nothing else. Ranking should matter mostly in tests and then odis.
 
Rankings don't work on opinions. Pakistan are rightly #1. If India are better team, they will become #1 organically.
 
Rahul1 said:
When India becomes the no 1 T20 team, the rankings will become irrelevant.
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It'll become IRRELEVANT only for LOSERS, and losers' opinions are not to be taken seriously. We've it on both sides of the boundary. So, it doesn't make a difference.

If we're good surely we'll overtake Pakistan pretty soon.
 
They will deserve it when they get there. Right now they do not deserve it hence they are not ranked #1. Stop trying to rain on someone else's parade.
 
No. Pakistan is one of the few nations taking T20 Cricket seriously, and the ranking is well deserved.
 
BlackShadow said:
No. Pakistan is one of the few nations taking T20 Cricket seriously, and the ranking is well deserved.
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Yeah India doesn't take T20s seriously but they play their full strength team :afridi


Or England doesn't take T20s seriously but they play everyone from Bairstow to Buttler to Stokes :))



I'm sure had Pak not been on top of the rankings then the format and its ranking would have matttered alot more for folks like you.
 
Syed1 said:
Yeah India doesn't take T20s seriously but they play their full strength team :afridi


Or England doesn't take T20s seriously but they play everyone from Bairstow to Buttler to Stokes :))



I'm sure had Pak not been on top of the rankings then the format and its ranking would have matttered alot more for folks like you.
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Indian fans have been consistent about not caring for international T20s irrespective of where rankings placed India. You can't really take the format seriously when not all teams care about it equally, you are free to disagree.

As for India's full strength squad here, it is only because ODIs and Tests are to follow. For last many series, Indian teams have been unrecognisable.
 
BlackShadow said:
Indian fans have been consistent about not caring for international T20s irrespective of where rankings placed India. You can't really take the format seriously when not all teams care about it equally, you are free to disagree.

As for India's full strength squad here, it is only because ODIs and Tests are to follow. For last many series, Indian teams have been unrecognisable.
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Hahaha you do know this the internet age and every single statement can be verified.


This is India's batting order from 2nd T20 in SA, in third T20 Kohli didn't play but Bumrah was back.

But but but "For last many series, Indian teams have been unrecognisable." :ssmith

For your benefit I have highlighted the "recognizable" Indian players :)))


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Syed1 said:
Hahaha you do know this the internet age and every single statement can be verified.


This is India's batting order from 2nd T20 in SA, in third T20 Kohli didn't play but Bumrah was back.

But but but "For last many series, Indian teams have been unrecognisable." :ssmith

For your benefit I have highlighted the "recognizable" Indian players :)))


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Lmao, if a team with Unadkat and Thakur sounds like India's first choice squad to you, then good luck proving your point. :))

Here's India's squad from recently concluded tri-series. Now compare this to the squad Pakistan plays even against a depleted WI or other minnows.

Squad: Rohit Sharma (Captain), Shikhar Dhawan (vice-captain), KL Rahul, Suresh Raina, Manish Pandey, Dinesh Karthik (wk), Deepak Hooda, Washington Sundar, Yuzvendra Chahal, Axar Patel, Vijay Shankar, Shardul Thakur, Jaydev Unadkat, Mohammad Siraj, Rishabh Pant (wk)
 
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Some of the Indian fans here are acting ridiculous here.

Pakistan are no. 1, and they deserve to be.

Those who are complaining about the T20 no.1 spot, shouldn’t complain when Pakistanis complain about India’s test no.1 spot.

The fact is both teams deserve the no.1 spot.
 
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Lmao, if a team with Unadkat and Thakur sounds like India's first choice squad to you, then good luck proving your point. :))

Here's India's squad from recently concluded tri-series. Now compare this to the squad Pakistan plays even against depleted WI and Scotland.

Squad: Rohit Sharma (Captain), Shikhar Dhawan (vice-captain), KL Rahul, Suresh Raina, Manish Pandey, Dinesh Karthik (wk), Deepak Hooda, Washington Sundar, Yuzvendra Chahal, Axar Patel, Vijay Shankar, Shardul Thakur, Jaydev Unadkat, Mohammad Siraj, Rishabh Pant (wk)
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Yeah because tri-series was against SL and BD, but the Pak tri-series included Australia and we had to beat them.

So you ignore the 8 names I highlighted but focused on the 3 that were newbies. Even Pak's side in the tri-series had Farhan, Talat, Shaheen and Asif all of whom are newbies.

You dug a hole for yourself and are struggling to get out of it. Learn to accept when you have lost.

Pakistan is number one ranked T20 side despite what you think and there is no evidence to prove that India doesn't take T20s seriously since they play their full strength side in most series.

I rest my case. Have a good day sir.
 
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Sidilicious said:
Some of the Indian fans here are acting ridiculous here.

Pakistan are no. 1, and they deserve to be.

Those who are complaining about the T20 no.1 spot, shouldn’t complain when Pakistanis complain about India’s test no.1 spot.

The fact is both teams deserve the no.1 spot.
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Both teams deserve the no.1 spot for their respective formats.
 
Syed1 said:
Yeah because tri-series was against SL and BD, but the Pak tri-series included Australia and we had to beat them.


So you ignore the 8 names I highlighted but focused on the 3 that were newbies. Even Pak's side in the tri-series had Farhan, Talat, Shaheen and Asif all of whom are newbies.



You dug a hole for yourself and are struggling to get out of it. Learn to accept when you have lost.



Pakistan is number one ranked T20 side despite what you think and there is no evidence to prove that India doesn't take T20s seriously since they play their full strength side in most series.



I rest my case. Have a good day sir.



Also :shh
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You have no case. Pakistan plays it's full strength side even against minnows, while India only sends it's first choice squad in series that matter. That's enough to know how both these nations look at T20s.

Have a good day. :sendoff
 
Not really, number 2 is a fair representation of where we are.

Having said, that it is very difficult to really assess where the team stands. Teams like WI and Aus hardly play their best 11 in T20s unless its a WT20 event and we have not played Pakistan recently (though we have had an upperhand in this format so far).
 
cricketindiafan said:
Not really, number 2 is a fair representation of where we are.

Having said, that it is very difficult to really assess where the team stands. Teams like WI and Aus hardly play their best 11 in T20s unless its a WT20 event and we have not played Pakistan recently (though we have had an upperhand in this format so far).
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Exactly. It's been ages since a first choice WI and Aussie squad has been seen in the format, and here we have people boasting of rankings. :facepalm:
 
BlackShadow said:
Lmao, if a team with Unadkat and Thakur sounds like India's first choice squad to you, then good luck proving your point. :))

Here's India's squad from recently concluded tri-series. Now compare this to the squad Pakistan plays even against a depleted WI or other minnows.

Squad: Rohit Sharma (Captain), Shikhar Dhawan (vice-captain), KL Rahul, Suresh Raina, Manish Pandey, Dinesh Karthik (wk), Deepak Hooda, Washington Sundar, Yuzvendra Chahal, Axar Patel, Vijay Shankar, Shardul Thakur, Jaydev Unadkat, Mohammad Siraj, Rishabh Pant (wk)
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M pandey, D Karthik, W Sundar are all our first choice in the squad who are present in the present squad as well. Shardul Thakur, Unadkat and Siraj were there to check the bench strength just like Shaheen and Usman were used, but no surprises they failed like no tomorrow and dropped, whereas Shaheen and Usman clicked which was expected and they are Retained.

So bad to see such insecured fans, but no surprises from us Asians.
 
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Like others said, if we are the best we’ll get there eventually. The ‘quality of opponents’ argument doesn’t have much validity here because Pakistan has won 9 consecutive series including the one against NZ. That argument would have some validity only if they lose to strong teams and then go onto win against minnows, which is not the case here.
 
But I am so confused. India isn't number 1 in T20 yet, It's Pakistan. :murali
 
If they deserve it then they will get to number 1 eventually. I don't expect Pakistan to continue to do this well for too long.
 
Pakistan is ranked no. 1 so it doesn't matter whether india deserves or not
We'll have to snatch it with our performances
 
Look whatever else can be said, Pakistan has gone and done it on the road vs. NZ and Australia. That deserves some level of respect, even if one of the series was a neutral site (Zimbabwe).

Honestly I think both squads are about even at the very least-it would be a cracker of a series were Pakistan and India to play against each other. If Pakistani fielding is up to par they would win the series IMO.
 
They will get there when they deserve it. For now we are rightly number 1. Indian fans need to stop downplaying the achievement.
 
Comfortably the best team in the world across all formats by some distance. I feel this is only the beginning of a glorious era for Indian cricket.
 
Mamoon said:
Comfortably the best team in the world across all formats by some distance. I feel this is only the beginning of a glorious era for Indian cricket.
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Indian team is best right now if you take all formats, but not by a huge margin. They lost test series in SA. Let's see how they do in Eng and Aus.
 
If Pakistan are no 1, they most certainly deserve it.
Indian fans should accept the rankings and move on.
 
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Quite a lot.
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Why do you think that is, I mean they are the only team to have won against Australia, England, and SA on the road every time they have set foot there, while other teams were being blanked out even in England till a couple of year back, oops!:yk2
 
Key point everyone forgets.

Pakistan don't play at home with the huge crowds and advantages that follow, and yet are still miles ahead of India in the T20 rankings.

Absolutely nothing to see here.
 
T20 rankings are not a big deal at all, it only world T20 which matters.

Test rankings is what is most important. other rankings have no meaning.
 
Blitz said:
Key point everyone forgets.

Pakistan don't play at home with the huge crowds and advantages that follow, and yet are still miles ahead of India in the T20 rankings.

Absolutely nothing to see here.
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Miles ahead ?? Explain this
 
Pakistan are ranked number 1 in the T20I rankings. That's where the conversation ends. India is ranked 2 and that's where they are. Pakistan have been extremely consistent in this format and have been rightly ranked at number 1.
 
Who cares man lol T20 International is a joke. T20 is for leagues. That is where it generates a lot of interest. I only care about India using T20 to give youngsters the necessary international exposure.India has won 6 series in a row. I came to know only today. That much interest is there in T20. ODI series have some history. T20 internationals. mhe.
 
All I know is that Australia does not care about T20's, we care about Test cricket, ODI's and then a distant last comes T20's.

Pakistan can have their silly No 1 in T20's.
 
Considering the amount of threads that have been made as well as visited in PP post the victory of two SC powerhouses on same day, it seems as if India and Pakistan are top 2 ranked ODI team who just reached 50-overs WC final.

Well, to get people back on ground, it is important to remind that these T20 rankings are pretty much useless and nobody really cares a bit about it. It will be nice if similar improvement is seen in tests and odis rather than loving the T20 mediocrity.
 
No.Pakistan deserve it because they are number one.Just like India deserve their top ranking in the other formats.
 
Ab Fan said:
Considering the amount of threads that have been made as well as visited in PP post the victory of two SC powerhouses on same day, it seems as if India and Pakistan are top 2 ranked ODI team who just reached 50-overs WC final.

Well, to get people back on ground, it is important to remind that these T20 rankings are pretty much useless and nobody really cares a bit about it. It will be nice if similar improvement is seen in tests and odis rather than loving the T20 mediocrity.
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Well this is a Pakistani forum and they will obviously talk about the only format they are good at. Others not caring for the format or using their 3rd choice squad in T20s isn't exactly Pakistan's fault.
 
People trying to downplay Pakistan’s achievement need to stop doing so. When India becomes no.1 they will reach no. 1.
 
India has to play Pakistan in bilaterals for these rankings to count for them otherwise its like Man city not playing chelsea every season and winning the title by 2 points.
 
Only in the flukiest format can Pakistan be number 1 for a significant period of time :srini . On the other hand, in the real format, where flukes don't happen India have been no.1 for nearly two years. Pakistan had it for 2 months :ashwin

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Looking at Indian poster comments, someone would think all they care about is Tests and then ODI's...same lot who always lecture us about T20 being the future of cricket, IPL, money it generates etc.

When Pak was the top team or one of the top test teams, that was somehow a fluke, now in T20's, where any team can win any game, just a metter of a couple of bad overs and the other team takes over...somehow it is still Pak team that somehow fluked the rankings LOL

Hypocrisy, Blue Tinted Glasses, Double Standards etc. all on display, yet no one talks about the same so-called' Top Test Team that has had a brilliant 'Pretty Much All History' of winning at home and getting murdered on the road. That somehow is OK, because that is not India's fault if home teams don't cater to their batters demands of 'Roads' being dished out in Tests as well!
 
Monsee said:
Looking at Indian poster comments, someone would think all they care about is Tests and then ODI's...same lot who always lecture us about T20 being the future of cricket, IPL, money it generates etc.

When Pak was the top team or one of the top test teams, that was somehow a fluke, now in T20's, where any team can win any game, just a metter of a couple of bad overs and the other team takes over...somehow it is still Pak team that somehow fluked the rankings LOL

Hypocrisy, Blue Tinted Glasses, Double Standards etc. all on display, yet no one talks about the same so-called' Top Test Team that has had a brilliant 'Pretty Much All History' of winning at home and getting murdered on the road. That somehow is OK, because that is not India's fault if home teams don't cater to their batters demands of 'Roads' being dished out in Tests as well!
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If India/any top team also plays against likes of WorldXI,WindiesZ, SL with first choice teams then its no big deal to achieve #1 ranking..instead they choose to rest mainstream ones and try newbies in t20 except pak..hence no one seriously considers the ranking in t20 excpt pak..in this format the only thing that matters is the performance in worldt20 and the title

Never heard of any team resting their main players in tests unless the opponent is a minnow

Thats the difference between t20 and tests and hence the ranks...
 
Hopefully it doesn't become a discussion of whether T20 rankings matter.

Pakistan are playing excellent cricket in T20 and are deservedly no 1.

India has to continue it's consistency to be number 1. Pakistan are just too consistent at this point .
 
Buffet said:
Indian team is best right now if you take all formats, but not by a huge margin. They lost test series in SA. Let's see how they do in Eng and Aus.
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Actually [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is spot on.India is "comfortably" best team across formats right now and luck has also played it's part.India is lucky that there is no other team that is dominating at least 2 formats while India is dominating all three formats.

Based on recent performance

Tests-India and SA are comfortably 2 best team in this format.
ODIs-England and India are comfortably 2 best team.
T20s-Pakistan and India are comfortably 2 best team.

It is also clearly indicated by stats

Teams records Since 2015,

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...am=7;team=8;team=9;template=results;type=team

Teams record in last 5 years(thought it would be more fair as it includes those consecutive away tours of SA,NZ,Eng and Aus before WC2015)

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...am=7;team=8;team=9;template=results;type=team
 
I should've titled this thread differently.

1)I don't take T20 Team rankings that seriously and also T20 players ranking.But that doesn't mean no 1 ranked Pakistan is not the Best T20 side.

2)T20 rankings suggests that Pakistan are comfortably ahead of everybody else but I think India are very close to Pakistan than what rankings suggests.If there was a 3 match T20 series between India-Pakistan right now and India wins that series 2-1,India would've still been 2-3 points below Pakistan.Then it would've been interesting to see the response of fans(especially Indian fans here) who are only bringing T20 rankings to prove Pakistan is best T20 Team.

3)IIRC Firm Favourites India were comfortably ahead of everyone in T20 rankings at the start of last T20 WC 2016.And India had better WC than both Australia and Pakistan.

How bad has India's performance been ever since that WC that they are now ranked 8 points below Pakistan and especially Australia who were ranked above India just a week ago.
 
Monsee said:
Looking at Indian poster comments, someone would think all they care about is Tests and then ODI's...same lot who always lecture us about T20 being the future of cricket, IPL, money it generates etc.

When Pak was the top team or one of the top test teams, that was somehow a fluke, now in T20's, where any team can win any game, just a metter of a couple of bad overs and the other team takes over...somehow it is still Pak team that somehow fluked the rankings LOL

Hypocrisy, Blue Tinted Glasses, Double Standards etc. all on display, yet no one talks about the same so-called' Top Test Team that has had a brilliant 'Pretty Much All History' of winning at home and getting murdered on the road. That somehow is OK, because that is not India's fault if home teams don't cater to their batters demands of 'Roads' being dished out in Tests as well!
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Hypocrisy comes naturally to some here. Most kids here don't remember the insufferable attitude of Indians on this forum when they fluked CT '13. Soon as Pakistan won it, it wasn't important anymore :))
 
Brodipet_baadshah said:
If India/any top team also plays against likes of WorldXI,WindiesZ, SL with first choice teams then its no big deal to achieve #1 ranking..instead they choose to rest mainstream ones and try newbies in t20 except pak..hence no one seriously considers the ranking in t20 excpt pak..in this format the only thing that matters is the performance in worldt20 and the title

Never heard of any team resting their main players in tests unless the opponent is a minnow

Thats the difference between t20 and tests and hence the ranks...
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Why so much crying then. just say so and move on....yet Indian fans going every which tangent to discredit Pak ranking?
 
India is #1 in Test, #2 in ODIs and #2 in T20. That's quite amazing, any top cricket team would love to be in that position. @ Topic - Let's respect the rankings and appreciate Pakistan for being the #1 ranked team. I don't see India (or any other team) displacing Pakistan from #1 position for next 4-5 months.
 
Pakistan is more deserving than India. Even ODI rankings should be like T20s. Pakistan is much better team to be ranked #6.
 
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