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Do Pakistan really need Imad Wasim at the World Cup?

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I mean what's the purpose of having him in the team?

He's in the playing XI solely because he can score those 20 of 10 balls or 30 odd of 20 balls at the end, can a player be in the squad, let alone be in the playing XI based on that?

His darters aren't having any effect at all, he's getting spanked to all parts of the ground and we will likely see more of it at the World Cup.

Such players are only good at T20, in fact he's must in T20Is but can't understand how can he make it to the ODI squad especially the World Cup, he averages close to 45 with the ball in ODIs.

Can't Pakistan get a proper spinner in place of him? And there are plenty of them waiting to get a chance, it's just that Pak have been reluctant to try one since Ajmal episode, especially in white ball formats. They can even go for a pace all-rounder like Amad or Yamin in place of him.
 
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Who does Shadab come in for from the team that played the 4th & 5th ODI?

Imad does have a tiny promise of helping out with a strong finish with the bat otherwise I would bring Shadab in for Imad.

In the end it will have to depend on opposition. I dont think Imad should play again ENG or IND but we lets see, its a long tournament forms will dip & rise.
 
Imad isn’t bad enough to be dropped and not good enough to be picked. Utter paradox

If only Nawaz had Imad’s self confidence

We have also erred by not giving zafar a gon
 
It is rather unfortunate that some posters have resorted to trolling rather than actually discussing about the points mentioned in the OP.

So let me make it simple for you guys, let's take last 10 completed ODIs in which Imad Wasim played.

Bowling Stats(most recent first)

3/53(10 overs)
2/62(10 overs)
1/58(7 overs)
0/63(10 overs)
0/51(10 overs)
2/56(9 overs)
1/34(10 overs)
0/60(8 overs)
0/50(10 overs)
0/38(7 overs)

Wickets = 9
Average = 58.33
Economy Rate = 5.8
Strike Rate = 60.66


These are pretty ordinary stats, in fact tbh, they are very poor if you are someone who is not a part time bowler, Imad more than likely will have to bowl his quota in every game, in his last 10 ODIs, he has done that 6 times and he hasn't bowled less than 7 overs in any of these games.

If the trio of Fakhar, Hafeez and Malik bowl out these 10 overs, they are more likely going to perform better than Imad in 9 out of 10 games, in fact Mohammad Hafeez after coming back from his bowling ban, is still a better spinner than Imad.

Batting Stats(most recent first)

25(21)
12(9)
22(12)
8(4)
50*(34)
1(5)
43(53)
19*(10)
28*(13)
47*(31)

Runs = 255
Average runs per innings = 25.5
Strike Rate = 132.8


I mentioned this in the OP as well, he is there in the team based on his flashy 20s towards the end of the innings, and he simply can't be in the team based on that, these innings have never helped Pakistan win a match, at least in the last year or so. And the fact that makes it even worse it that he bats at #7, even if you promote Hassan Ali to #7, he will do the same job for Pakistan scoring some quickfire 20s and 30s and he might do that at a better SR also.

I think Pakistani selectors get the stick for no reason, bcz the majority of the cricket fans are obsessed with mediocrity and so are the sports analysts, commentators, former players, anchors and journalists, barring very few people who actually analyse things rather than blindly supporting someone. People are whining on SM and demanding Amir and Wahab to be in the WC squad, two pacers, who to me are comfortably the worst pacers in Pakistan has right now, how can someone call for Wahab's selection in the ODI team, his recent record in the longer formats is terrible and same is the case with Amir in ODIs, someone who avgs 110+ with the ball in ODIs in last 2 years.

Coming back to the topic, the major reason for the downfall of Pak cricket is that from supporters to the chief selector, no one in Pak is able to accept this that if a guy is good in format, it isn't necessary that he will be good in the other formats as well, same is the case with Imad, who to me is a must in the T20 and every team/franchise would like to have a player like him in the XI in T20s but he's isn't even decent in other formats as per the requirements of modern cricket. England learnt this thing in a hard way, after they were ousted in WC 2015 in the most embarrassing way possible, after that they went for proper players in proper formats and hence no more Broad, Anderson, Cook etc in ODIs or T20Is and so did India, after the CT17 defeat. Australia did it way before anyone else, their T20 and longer format teams look like 2 different teams.

Pakistan is probably 5 years behind in this case, and the fact that makes it worse is that it's not only the management but fans, analysts, commentators, former players, anchors and journalists, all of them are same in this regard(barring a few, like mentioned above).

In today's cricket, player like Imad won't make it to the ODI squad of any of the top teams.

Some players management have messed up in the recent past, by playing them in one format based on the performances in other format :

Yasir Shah
Hasnain
Imad
Fakhar
Imam
Amir(good for T20 stuff, mediocre apart from that)
Faheem(best T20 pacer in the world RN as per rankings, wahiyat in ODIs)
 
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He's a good utility cricketer although I'd say drop him against India, as they might pummel him.
 
Imad has bowled better in the last 2 games. He needs to start scoring 50s rather than these 20s and 30s. Fast bowling remains the major problem of this team.
 
Do we want someone who will continuously lose us matches at the crucial finisher / late order position?

His biggest weakness is his not-fit-for-late-order batting. Some people think it's his batting which saves his position, but it's the opposite.

His darting sometimes saves him for being economical.

His batting is atrocious - he cannot hit at all! Not against any half decent pacer.
 
Imad, shadab and hafeez are going to be our spin alrounders. Theres no point really discussing it as this is pretty much set( unless injured). What we really do need is a proper spinner who can spin the ball both ways. But do we have anyone who can do this at int standard and can we afford to lose a batsman or batting alrounder to accomodate such a player?
 
I believe his performance in the last two matches with the ball have kept his value intact. He’s an average performer in all facets of the game. His lack of wickets is a concern .

In this tournament given the nature of the pitches and the dynamism of the batsman I’m not sure a specialist spinner will aid Pakistan much . He will most likely have given 60-80 runs per innings as well in this series .

Will be interesting to see how Shadab fares. I think shadab , imad , Hafeez , Haris, and even Malik In that order and give Pakistan some control and wickets in the middle overs .
 
It is rather unfortunate that some posters have resorted to trolling rather than actually discussing about the points mentioned in the OP.

So let me make it simple for you guys, let's take last 10 completed ODIs in which Imad Wasim played.

Bowling Stats(most recent first)

3/53(10 overs)
2/62(10 overs)
1/58(7 overs)
0/63(10 overs)
0/51(10 overs)
2/56(9 overs)
1/34(10 overs)
0/60(8 overs)
0/50(10 overs)
0/38(7 overs)

Wickets = 9
Average = 58.33
Economy Rate = 5.8
Strike Rate = 60.66


These are pretty ordinary stats, in fact tbh, they are very poor if you are someone who is not a part time bowler, Imad more than likely will have to bowl his quota in every game, in his last 10 ODIs, he has done that 6 times and he hasn't bowled less than 7 overs in any of these games.

If the trio of Fakhar, Hafeez and Malik bowl out these 10 overs, they are more likely going to perform better than Imad in 9 out of 10 games, in fact Mohammad Hafeez after coming back from his bowling ban, is still a better spinner than Imad.

Batting Stats(most recent first)

25(21)
12(9)
22(12)
8(4)
50*(34)
1(5)
43(53)
19*(10)
28*(13)
47*(31)

Runs = 255
Average runs per innings = 25.5
Strike Rate = 132.8


I mentioned this in the OP as well, he is there in the team based on his flashy 20s towards the end of the innings, and he simply can't be in the team based on that, these innings have never helped Pakistan win a match, at least in the last year or so. And the fact that makes it even worse it that he bats at #7, even if you promote Hassan Ali to #7, he will do the same job for Pakistan scoring some quickfire 20s and 30s and he might do that at a better SR also.

I think Pakistani selectors get the stick for no reason, bcz the majority of the cricket fans are obsessed with mediocrity and so are the sports analysts, commentators, former players, anchors and journalists, barring very few people who actually analyse things rather than blindly supporting someone. People are whining on SM and demanding Amir and Wahab to be in the WC squad, two pacers, who to me are comfortably the worst pacers in Pakistan has right now, how can someone call for Wahab's selection in the ODI team, his recent record in the longer formats is terrible and same is the case with Amir in ODIs, someone who avgs 110+ with the ball in ODIs in last 2 years.

Coming back to the topic, the major reason for the downfall of Pak cricket is that from supporters to the chief selector, no one in Pak is able to accept this that if a guy is good in format, it isn't necessary that he will be good in the other formats as well, same is the case with Imad, who to me is a must in the T20 and every team/franchise would like to have a player like him in the XI in T20s but he's isn't even decent in other formats as per the requirements of modern cricket. England learnt this thing in a hard way, after they were ousted in WC 2015 in the most embarrassing way possible, after that they went for proper players in proper formats and hence no more Broad, Anderson, Cook etc in ODIs or T20Is and so did India, after the CT17 defeat. Australia did it way before anyone else, their T20 and longer format teams look like 2 different teams.

Pakistan is probably 5 years behind in this case, and the fact that makes it worse is that it's not only the management but fans, analysts, commentators, former players, anchors and journalists, all of them are same in this regard(barring a few, like mentioned above).

In today's cricket, player like Imad won't make it to the ODI squad of any of the top teams.

Some players management have messed up in the recent past, by playing them in one format based on the performances in other format :

Yasir Shah
Hasnain
Imad
Fakhar
Imam
Amir(good for T20 stuff, mediocre apart from that)
Faheem(best T20 pacer in the world RN as per rankings, wahiyat in ODIs)

Fully agreed. He is in the ODI side for two reasons:

1. He is good for T20s (but this is an ODI World Cup)
2. He promises to score quick runs at number 7 (but almost never makes a meaningful contribution)

Eventually, only one of Imad & Shadab can play in the side until one of them is ready to replace Hafeez in the side.
 
He will be handy against teams like WI

But a liability again IND, ENG, AUS. Event SAF & NZ will probably attack him unless he can learn from this ODI series. He did bowl well in his second spell in the 5th ODI but we need more data points to see if he is learning in the conditions or it was a fluke.

If he doesn't bowl well against WI, he should be benched for the ENG match.
 
As your only genuine all-rounder Imad is a must. Very good support bowler and a reliable bat down the order.
 
I might be in the minority here when I say this. Imad will be the biggest chink in our armor. He is utterly garbage as a bowler. A spin bowler who bowls seam up. A supposed all rounder who is worse than Raina when it comes to playing short balls.
 
You guys are missing the point.Wait For Other Matches to be played in Fact Forget it .
Look at the stats of Supposedly The best Spinner that England has to offer .
Adil Rashid Pakistan Vs England 2019
26 Overs 3 Wickets Average 62 . Economy 7.14.S/R 51
Imad Wasim.
37 Overs .6Wickets Average 39. Economy 6.38 S/R 37
And He did Scored Handy 20 runs in Matches .
He is Improving by The Game he is playing on England Pitches.
Our Fans Base Sometimes I Doubt Even Watch The Games Before Commenting
 
The reason why he is appearing ineffective is because the top/middle order is striking batting form.
If Imam, Babar, Haris, Sarfraz score runs he will have less chances to do so because he bats lower down.

Bowling wise, his style is more suited to T20 than ODI - but you can hardly complain about him if the likes of Hasan Ali etc are also being thrashed by batsman.

He has a very limited utility at the moment where the pitches are offering very little to bowlers.

Pakistan really needs to come up with a gameplan for their bowling- they really need more variation in bowling to stop this flow of runs.
 
Should have picked a genuine spinner like Zafar Gohar or Umer Khan and when the used pitches wear out near the second half of the tournament and more spin is on offer we could have gone with 3 pacers 2 spinners combo. Imad adds no value, 20 runs means nothing in ODI with the bat and if your just firing in darts and end up with 10-60-0 then u have no impact with the ball.

Imads wickets in this series have been off full tosses or long hops where English batsmen hit the ball hard but were unlucky to find the fielder. Moeen Ali's dismissal was the only wicket off a bowled or LBW and that was just a plain simple straight ball missed.
 
I think he has done enough to play at the WC. But I don't see him as a long term 50 over player. He lacks the fitness and mobility. Also his defensive bowling isn't what we need from a spinner.
 
We need some batting strength down the order. He is not great by all means but we do need him.
 
Thanks to players like Imad and now Wahab, we have bowlers who will bowl 10 overs and contribute with some handy 20-25 quick runs down the orders. Only Shaheen and Hasnain are real tail enders now, even they played well in 5th ODI.
 
I have never really liked Imad Wasim. He can't spin the ball at all and even though he bowls darts and is very accurate, he takes very little wickets. His batting isn't that good either, he hs only made a few good performances (the slow 50 vs NZ in UAE 2018, a centruy against a county team last month I think and I think a good fifty or something gainst england in 5th ODI in 2016). He is a bit like Faheem (all-rounder who actually isn't an all-rounder), although he is better suited in T20s.
 
Many he will be useful against some teams like Windies. But I can see him getting smashed vs India, England. If he can bowl economically then he can be useful.
 
Absolutely fine as number 7.
He is economical and hafeez can make up the overs on the odd days he isn't
 
He deserves to be there in the squad, his bowling CAN be good if he gets support for the other end as he can build a lot of pressure. His batting is also a bonus. BUT India will absolutely smash him, Imad can be good against the teams like NZ, SA, WI I feel
 
He needs to vary his pace and flight the ball. In England slower flighted balls will yield far more wickets.
 
Shadab is the first choice spin all-rounder, and I see Imad and Hafeez competing for the second spin all-rounder spot.

Imad definitely shouldn't be an automatic starter for the WC
 
He will be needed against Australia, England, South Africa, New Zealand and West Indies.

In the rest of the matches, we can either go with 7 batsmen or with 4 fast bowlers depending on the pitch and opposition.
 
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