Multan Sultans owner, Ali Tareen, blames Imad Wasim for Pakistan's T20 World Cup 2024 exit

[topspin]

@topspin

Should we start quoting SAF’s views on Batistuta now to validate Tareen’s views on Imad?

Have you ever come across cricket administrative professionals acting as immaturely as Ali Tareen has when referring to other players and officials?

Ali Tareen's opinions became irrelevant as soon as he said "David Warner is not a team man". As I was saying yesterday, this is one of the worst takes I've ever come across. It's nearly as bad as "Misbah > Inzamam in ODIs"

Warner has won multiple tournaments including WCs for Australia. If he was not a team player, he wouldn't have been playing for a world class side like Australia, who have the best squad depth in the history of the game. They wouldn't hesitate to get rid of him if there was any truth in this.

Do you know what I think it is? He's bitter and jealous of Imad because his team got single handedly pounded by him in last year's PSL final. It was light work for Imad, who decided to have a cig, so that obviously got under the skin of Mr Tareen.

 

[daytrader]

Super over bro, it was super over.

Me and @mominsaigol tried to reason with him as much as we could in trying to explain to him the reason why Babar or Rizwan are not T20 opening material. We did our best to explain to him that the kind of players who open are the kind who you would trust to take down 20+ in an over if need be so, and this is not the case with Babar who has a balls per six ration of 50 odd even though he bats 16-20 balls in the powerplay. The guy confidently claimed it’s ok, Babar is skilled enough to hit 6x4 in the super over if push comes to shove.

We were shocked at the time when he made the claim. But the Almighty has His ways to make things turn to reality very soon for this lot, and not long after we saw the infamous super over v USA.

We saw what happened in the super over, but we also didn’t see Daytrader on this forum for a long time since.

LOL yea I took a break due to you. You must be on cloud 9.

If you recall we had the 6x4 discussion prior to and in the actual match thread. I did criticize Babar for not coming out.

What I really wanted was to have a discussion around Pakistan's super over woes. We only have won 1 super over and that was back in 2012 when Gulldozer was bowling in his prime. We also had Razzaq and Umar Akmal as hitters then.

But no, you guys don't want to discuss any other issues with Pakistan cricket as your only agenda is Rizwan.

 

[Rana]

Ali Tareen's opinions became irrelevant as soon as he said "David Warner is not a team man". As I was saying yesterday, this is one of the worst takes I've ever come across. It's nearly as bad as "Misbah > Inzamam in ODIs"

Warner has won multiple tournaments including WCs for Australia. If he was not a team player, he wouldn't have been playing for a world class side like Australia, who have the best squad depth in the history of the game. They wouldn't hesitate to get rid of him if there was any truth in this.

Do you know what I think it is? He's bitter and jealous of Imad because his team got single handedly pounded by him in last year's PSL final. It was light work for Imad, who decided to have a cig, so that obviously got under the skin of Mr Tareen.

Bro there is more to it I feel. I think Imad may have snubbed him at some point when he was being off-loaded by Karachi. You need to remember, Karachi’s director came from Multan. They may have tried an internal trade for Imad as Haider is Tareen’s boy, and Imad just didn’t want to go to Multan. That’s one possible explanation, because Tareen clearly came across as bitter and jealous when he said this.

Secondly, Tareen’s selection policy this year completely revolves around Imad Wasim. He desperately needs a left handed batter to counter him. He even said this in his interview. You ask Tareen would you take Daryl Mitchell, and he responds with “oh Yaaa, oh come on yaaa I need a left handed batter yaaa, I’ve got too many right handers baba” (sounds like the main character in slum dog millionaire). Imad Wasim has traumatised him big time!

 

[daytrader]

Major rates Misbah over Inzy in white ball cricket.

This thread is a good read if you ever need comic relief:

Thread 'Would you pick Misbah-ul-Haq over Inzamam-ul-Haq in ODIs?'

May 5, 2023

Would you pick Misbah over Inzamam in ODIs?

[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] is not willing to accept the fact that it is utter madness to say that Misbah was a better ODI batsman than Inzamam.

The gulf between the two is immense. Misbah is not worth of being mentioned in the same sentence as Inzamam.

As far as Inzamam vs Misbah is concerned, it is like comparing Umar Akmal to de Villiers. Misbah was a decent ODI batsman who did a very crucial job in a very fragile lineup but he is not worthy of lacing Inzamam’s boots. The gulf between the two is humongous.

You just can’t have an all-time...

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He said this, he said that. Can you guys have a discussion on the actual topic of the thread. Quit your gossip girl acts

 

[Rana]

If you recall we had the 6x4 discussion prior to and in the actual match thread. I did criticize Babar for not coming out

What’s the point? You should have believed people who are way more experienced than you are at understanding the game when they were constantly telling you that you are on the wrong track here. You can criticise Babar all you want, it makes no difference now. We kept telling you this man and his chum are ‘wrong numbers’. You didn’t want to believe it then, you still don’t want to believe it now.

 

[Rana]

Ali Tareen’s goal this year is not to win the PSL

His goal is to find a left handed batsman who can smash Imad Wasim so that his Kaleja can receive thandak.

 

[daytrader]

What’s the point? You should have believed people who are way more experienced than you are at understanding the game when they were constantly telling you that you are on the wrong track here. You can criticise Babar all you want, it makes no difference now. We kept telling you this man and his chum are ‘wrong numbers’. You didn’t want to believe it then, you still don’t want to believe it now.

Oh yea, you understand the game so well. Make Asif Ali captain, open with Sahibzada Farhan. Get ttf Sharjeel back in the team. Allah bachaye aise experience se.

And your latest bongi: "Imad's runs are a bonus" when he's sent in at 5. And when you yourself were backing him to win the match.

 

[Rana]

Oh yea, you understand the game so well. Make Asif Ali captain, open with Sahibzada Farhan. Get ttf Sharjeel back in the team. Allah bachaye aise experience se.

And your latest bongi: "Imad's runs are a bonus" when he's sent in at 5. And when you yourself were backing him to win the match.

Now you are sounding bitter like Ali Tareen. Sorry if I’m usually right all the time and you guys get caught up in nonsense, and then have to go into hiding after 6x4s didn’t happen.

 

[daytrader]

Now you are sounding bitter like Ali Tareen. Sorry if I’m usually right all the time and you guys get caught up in nonsense, and then have to go into hiding after 6x4s didn’t happen.

Chalo maan liya I went into hiding due to you. Aap ko sharam kab aaye gi when you've been proven wrong so many times

 

[Rana]

Chalo maan liya I went into hiding due to you. Aap ko sharam kab aaye gi when you've been proven wrong so many times

How am I proven wrong? Who proves me wrong? Rizwan with his 16 off 26 in the powerplay?

 

[Rana]

If I have faced 26 balls in a T20 powerplay and haven’t scored at least 48 runs, I will retire from T20 cricket. I have no business playing this format! I am a disgrace to the game! I am being disingenuous to my country and to those young cricketers who deserve a spot at my position!

 

[topspin]

You thought it was a cake walk because it was a cake walk! We were in a winning position. You're back tracking from how you actually felt during the match hence why your comments are disingenuous. You only come out with one agenda, bash Misbah and now bash Rizwan.

This has been exposed many times over.


One's a mathematician, one's a rhyme magician, both are stuck in the biggest hater's affiliation

Betta tere jaisy 36 ko mn akela hi lapaito - kar le maths



I haven't seen any criticism from you about Imad. You're still trying to justify his batting by blaming it on the pitch and ball. Again admit you have only one agenda, which is to get high fives from your gang leader. Shahbash, he liked all your posts

I don't have a problem with you personally and I think it's shame that you're like this.

Sorry I can't take you seriously if you think Rizwan's knock 31 off 44 is an "effective innings" because that's exactly what an agenda looks like.

 

[daytrader]

I don't have a problem with you personally and I think it's shame that you're like this.

Sorry I can't take you seriously if you think Rizwan's knock 31 off 44 is an "effective innings" because that's exactly what an agenda looks like.

No, an agenda is when you back track from how you actually feel during the match. Were we or were we not in a winning position even after Rizwan got out?

I don't have a problem with you personally either but when you guys dish out fire, don't expect flowers

 

[topspin]

Bro there is more to it I feel. I think Imad may have snubbed him at some point when he was being off-loaded by Karachi. You need to remember, Karachi’s director came from Multan. They may have tried an internal trade for Imad as Haider is Tareen’s boy, and Imad just didn’t want to go to Multan. That’s one possible explanation, because Tareen clearly came across as bitter and jealous when he said this.

Yeah, I can just imagine his face going red after Imad destroyed his team in the final.

 

[Rana]

don't have a problem with you personally either but when you guys dish out fire, don't expect flowers

Oh no I’m scared now,

So you guys were dishing out fire as a response up to now?

 

[topspin]

No, an agenda is when you back track from how you actually feel during the match. Were we or were we not in a winning position even after Rizwan got out?

I don't have a problem with you personally either but when you guys dish out fire, don't expect flowers

If Imad was opening and scored 31 off 44 balls, believe me I would call it out for being a terrible innings. Imad did not play well but he's an easy scapegoat for the Rizbar fan club, who overlook his bowling contribution during this match.

 

[daytrader]

If Imad was opening and scored 31 off 44 balls, believe me I would call it out for being a terrible innings. Imad did not play well but he's an easy scapegoat for the Rizbar fan club, who overlook his bowling contribution during this match.

Imad's bowling is the actual bonus. We did not need both him and Shadab in that XI. Shadab didn't bowl at all in that match. Shadab supported Imad's return and gave him many chances to shine at his own expense.

 

[Farabi]

It’s always amusing to read posts that make no sense at all. The claim that it was a “cakewalk” for Imad when he came out to bat is laughable. There was absolutely nothing “cakewalk” about that pitch. Such comments clearly show a lack of understanding of pitch conditions and the dynamics of the game.

Let me break it down: Imad, being an average or below average batsman, needed to be in touch and have had a few solid net sessions before stepping up to play for Pakistan. He had missed time due to injury and was clearly not in rhythm. This lack of touch becomes even more evident for players like him, unfit, out of shape, and known to be chain smoker. He was late to everything, moving sluggishly, almost like a turtle.

On that pitch, the game was always in the bowlers’ hands. It was a bowler’s paradise, and a player like Imad, who is just an “okay” batsman at best, could not be expected to turn things around. Yes, he’s marginally better than the others who compete for the same all rounder spot, but that’s not saying much. We gave Nawaz plenty of chances, and he was nothing short of disastrous.

Now, as for Imad’s performance in that match against India, let’s address his failure against Axar Patel. Playing so many dots at that critical juncture of the game was inexcusable, and the responsibility for that rests squarely on his shoulders. It doesn’t matter if he’s not a natural batsman or was injured before, he had a job to do and failed miserably.

This is even more ironic considering how Imad has often criticized Rizwan and Babar, claiming they don’t know how to play T20 cricket. He went on TV shows and ranted about their shortcomings, but what about his own performance? The very format he claims to understand so well is where he failed so spectacularly.

Let’s be honest: Imad’s innings was poor. He couldn’t even make proper contact with the ball, struggled to rotate the strike, and failed to take singles or doubles when the situation demanded it. At best, he’s a “bits and pieces” cricketer who improved slightly with experience. Even with all that experience, he still wasn’t good enough when it mattered most.

This toxic culture in Pakistan cricket, where players like Imad and Amir go on TV shows to spew nonsense about the likes of Babar and Rizwan, two of Pakistan’s best players who’ve won us countless games, is damaging to the sport. If anything, they should have focused on improving their own performances rather than tearing down those who have consistently delivered.

Agreed, Imad didn’t deliver on the day.

So, what about Fakhar, Rizwan, and Babar? As specialist batters, wasn’t it their job to finish a chase of 119? Funny how this entire monologue conveniently skips even a passing mention of their responsibility.

Care to share your thoughts on that, or is it not part of the syllabus?

 

[Rana]

Agreed, Imad didn’t deliver on the day.

So, what about Fakhar, Rizwan, and Babar? As specialist batters, wasn’t it their job to finish a chase of 119? Funny how this entire monologue conveniently skips even a passing mention of their responsibility.

Care to share your thoughts on that, or is it not part of the syllabus?

Uff what a sweet chin music!

 

[DeadlyVenom]

nothing wrong. This is common in sports, its jsut in Pakistan we think discussin players is a sin.

Im tired with the interviews that oh i worked hard, flana coach helped me.... Cricket podcast only becomes fun when we learn something new, whats happening behind the scenes.

Right now @Rana is having a mealt down becuase what ever we said has been proven by an insider.

I don't think it's common in sports, certainly not from an administrator or owner.

As you know I do think Imad deserves a lot of the blame for his lack of intent in the India game but a team owner shouldn't be making these comments about other players in the league.

His other comments are also crass and shows that he is living in the clouds without much of an awareness of how the sport operates and are deeply immature.

Aside from his comments on Imad what does he get from writing off overseas players on twitter and his other bongeya. What if he needs to work with them in the future?

 

[BouncerGuy]

Imad is history now. He was retired and should have never come back but he did and he performed pretty bad and he is now retired again. Time to move on from him.

 

[Mamoon]

The problem with extreme takes and seeing things in black and white is that you end up convincing no one except the people already nodding along in the same boat.

Let’s start with the obvious elephant in the room: the assumption that the world is split between “Imad fans who hate Rizwan” and “Rizwan fans who hate Imad.” Newsflash—there’s a whole bunch of people who don’t fit in either camp and just want to talk cricket without picking sides.

Now, let’s talk about Imad. Yeah, it was bad. He couldn’t walk the talk on "match awareness," which he loves to preach. But Imad is a bowling allrounder, and bowling is his primary gig. On that front, he wrapped up the tour with an economy of 4 across three games. How come this doesn’t get mentioned in your world?

Also, let’s not pretend chasing a target with a required rate of over 10 on a pitch where everyone struggled at 6 was “within grasp”. It should never have reached that stage in the first place.

Now to Rizwan. The Powerplay is the easiest phase to bat, and yet Rizwan’s slow innings wasted it completely. This wasn’t the kind of snail pace you can even forgive because it takes the game deep—he followed it up with a reckless shot against Bumrah as if he was trying to send a some kind of statement. Instead, he sent us straight to a loss. If you had to look for one moment we lost that game, that was it. A pathetic brain fade! How come this doesn’t get mentioned?

And the worst part is it’s neither old nor new. He did the same thing in the first T20I against South Africa, dropping anchor so hard that the team couldn’t chase the total with wickets in hand (after Saim Ayub was forced to bat one down). Rizwan is neither giving us explosive Powerplays nor the steady finishing innings he’s supposed to bring…but this of course is irrelevant.

Bottom line: blaming Imad and ignoring the top six—or letting Rizwan off the hook entirely—makes this post completely irrelevant, and at worse, a distraction. Both had their moments to step up and failed. If you're on team logic, not team "encampments," it's time to call both sides out.

Imad was brought back into the team on the back of his batting exploits in PSL eliminator and final. Not because of his bowling.

The entire narrative surrounding his comeback was based on his perceived ability to keep his cool under pressure and bat according to the situation.

Now that all of that proved to be a myth and Imad ended up playing one of the worst innings in the history of the format whilst completing bolting it under pressure, his apologists want to pivot to “but he bowled well” to cover up for his batting failures but that excuse will not work.

When Imad’s batting fails, he becomes a bowling all-rounder for his fans and when his bowling fails, he becomes a batting all-rounder.

The reality is that he is a poor cricketer either way. If he is a bowling all-rounder then you can’t look beyond the fact that he averages 60+ with the ball vs the top 5 sides in ODI cricket. If he is a batting all-rounder, then you can’t look beyond the fact that he averages 15 with the bat in T20Is.

A lot of players including Rizwan, Babar, Iftikhar and a host of others didn’t perform like they should have in that World Cup, but when you make a comeback on the back of a specific narrative and fail to do exactly what your fans claimed that you would do, you are bound to receive more criticism.

We all know what Imad’s fans would have said had he not played that India match and someone like Nawaz would have played instead.

We all know what Imad himself would have said about Pakistan’s batting approach vs India if he was an analyst on TV.

Same goes for Amir and the worst ever Super Over that he bowled vs the USA. Pakistan brought these two back so that they could help them lose to USA and India and effectively crash out of the World Cup.

As far as Imad vs Rizwan is concerned, Rizwan is a far better cricketer across all formats who will be remembered as one of the best, if not the best WK batsman in Pakistan history. Love him or hate him, he has a legacy.

Imad on the other hand is a complete nobody, who never got a Test cap, never captained the country and will just be a random name on the scorecards for future generations of Pakistani fans, like just some random names that we now see on the scorecards from 70s and 80s.

 

[emranabbas]

of course, 13 off 10 balls and 31 off 44 balls absolutely game-winning knocks in T20 cricket, The kind of innings every specialist batsman dreams of to play. And then an all-rounder comes in and ruins it all. The stuff only high IQ people understand

 

[emranabbas]

Imad was brought back into the team on the back of his batting exploits in PSL eliminator and final. Not because of his bowling.

The entire narrative surrounding his comeback was based on his perceived ability to keep his cool under pressure and bat according to the situation.

Now that all of that proved to be a myth and Imad ended up playing one of the worst innings in the history of the format whilst completing bolting it under pressure, his apologists want to pivot to “but he bowled well” to cover up for his batting failures but that excuse will not work.

When Imad’s batting fails, he becomes a bowling all-rounder for his fans and when his bowling fails, he becomes a batting all-rounder.

The reality is that he is a poor cricketer either way. If he is a bowling all-rounder then you can’t look beyond the fact that he averages 60+ with the ball vs the top 5 sides in ODI cricket. If he is a batting all-rounder, then you can’t look beyond the fact that he averages 15 with the bat in T20Is.

A lot of players including Rizwan, Babar, Iftikhar and a host of others didn’t perform like they should have in that World Cup, but when you make a comeback on the back of a specific narrative and fail to do exactly what your fans claimed that you would do, you are bound to receive more criticism.

We all know what Imad’s fans would have said had he not played that India match and someone like Nawaz would have played instead.

We all know what Imad himself would have said about Pakistan’s batting approach vs India if he was an analyst on TV.

Same goes for Amir and the worst ever Super Over that he bowled vs the USA. Pakistan brought these two back so that they could help them lose to USA and India and effectively crash out of the World Cup.

As far as Imad vs Rizwan is concerned, Rizwan is a far better cricketer across all formats who will be remembered as one of the best, if not the best WK batsman in Pakistan history. Love him or hate him, he has a legacy.

Imad on the other hand is a complete nobody, who never got a Test cap, never captained the country and will just be a random name on the scorecards for future generations of Pakistani fans, like just some random names that we now see on the scorecards from 70s and 80s.

So, Imad was brought back into the team for his batting. Wow, amazing! That means Rizwan and Babar don’t need to perform anymore. So why did those two even bother opening the batting? Should’ve just let Imad open at the top!

Time to put your HIGH IQ to work.

Sri Lanka managed only 77 runs on this ground, and it took South Africa a full 17 overs to chase it down. Only the top bat order batsmen for both teams were able to score as the pitch got tougher and tougher for batsmen

India couldn’t get past 119 in the first innings, with only their top 4 managing to score because the pitch kept getting tougher to bat on. Clearly, you should’ve shared your HIGH IQ with Rizwan and Babar they should’ve scored the runs while it was still easy! they both failed us and have ni right to be called world class

Even In the Ireland vs india game 7 of their batsmen only managed single digits and India batmens kholi and yadav got out on single digits too and similar with Ireland and Canada on this ground with most being out on single digits

About time you use you HIGH IQ and understand how different grounds and pitches play and how they can effect scoring before making ridiculous comments

 

[emranabbas]

@Mamoon question for you why india only managed to score 119 in Newyork? Poor batting by india or good bowling by Pakistan?

 

[mominsaigol]

So, Imad was brought back into the team for his batting. Wow, amazing! That means Rizwan and Babar don’t need to perform anymore. So why did those two even bother opening the batting? Should’ve just let Imad open at the top!

Time to put your HIGH IQ to work.

Sri Lanka managed only 77 runs on this ground, and it took South Africa a full 17 overs to chase it down. Only the top bat order batsmen for both teams were able to score as the pitch got tougher and tougher for batsmen

India couldn’t get past 119 in the first innings, with only their top 4 managing to score because the pitch kept getting tougher to bat on. Clearly, you should’ve shared your HIGH IQ with Rizwan and Babar they should’ve scored the runs while it was still easy! they both failed us and have ni right to be called world class

Even In the Ireland vs india game 7 of their batsmen only managed single digits and India batmens kholi and yadav got out on single digits too and similar with Ireland and Canada on this ground with most being out on single digits

About time you use you HIGH IQ and understand how different grounds and pitches play and how they can effect scoring before making ridiculous comments

This whole narrative of omad being brought back for his batting has always been a false agenda.

He's an allrounder. He was brought back for his allround ability that's it.

 

[iPakistani]

This is hilarious and frankly Imad deserves it. Before posters try post from some moral high ground regarding a business owner making statements on cricketers, what was Imad's business sitting on TV shows slandering current cricketers only to then have to go play under them and get booted out of the team.

Imad deserves this humiliation and no one will forget his flop show at the World Cup. He sat on TV shows and talked the talk but when it was time to walk the walk...

 

[emranabbas]

This whole narrative of omad being brought back for his batting has always been a false agenda.

He's an allrounder. He was brought back for his allround ability that's it.

If he was brought back for his batting he clearly should have opened the innings and played in the powerplay unless captain babar played him out of position. So the blame lies on babar for playing him out of position

 

[iPakistani]

If he was brought back for his batting he clearly should have opened the innings and played in the powerplay unless captain babar played him out of position. So the blame lies on babar for playing him out of position

Imads an opener now? He was batting in the top 5 and thats the same position he scored 15 off 23 when the team needed him the most. Rizwan made 31 off 44 but Rizwan is a terrible T20 player so that's expected, Imad is our match winner why did he flop so bad?

 

[emranabbas]

Imads an opener now? He was batting in the top 5 and thats the same position he scored 15 off 23 when the team needed him the most. Rizwan made 31 off 44 but Rizwan is a terrible T20 player so that's expected, Imad is our match winner why did he flop so bad?

If you are going to portray him as a batsman rather than an all-rounder, claiming he should’ve won the match for Pakistan instead of Babar and Rizwan, then Rizwan and Babar really have no business opening the batting.

 

[Rana]

If he was brought back for his batting he clearly should have opened the innings and played in the powerplay unless captain babar played him out of position. So the blame lies on babar for playing him out of position

Pakistan had more chance beating India that day with Imad opening the batting. I firmly believe that.

In fact, Pakistan should have opened with the two players who actually stepped up for them in the super over (Fakhar and Iftikhar) and maybe followed up with Shadab who came in as 3rd hitter. You might have scored 50 odd in the powerplay and then you need what? 70 off 84 balls? Don’t tell me Rizwan and Babar can’t manage that?

 

[Farabi]

Uff what a sweet chin music!

Of course no response.

 

[Rana]

Of course no response.

It was lights out for him. Of course he ain’t responding after that.

 

[mominsaigol]

Pakistan had more chance beating India that day with Imad opening the batting. I firmly believe that.

In fact, Pakistan should have opened with the two players who actually stepped up for them in the super over (Fakhar and Iftikhar) and maybe followed up with Shadab who came in as 3rd hitter. You might have scored 50 odd in the powerplay and then you need what? 70 off 84 balls? Don’t tell me Rizwan and Babar can’t manage that?

Eh, 2024 Pakistan is the weakest t20 side to ever play a cup for pakistan. Even weaker then 2022. I don't think it would have made any difference imo.

1) Babar (Useless)
2) Rizwan ( Useless)
3) Saim/Usman (They weren't ready yet, Saim 100% wasn't, No clue about usman of he'll ever be ready, + wrong batting position)
4) Fakhar (Useless at no 4)
5) Shadab (Literally a tailender at 5 and a bowling run machine)
6) Chacha (Useless)
7) Azam/ Imad (Azam is Useless at no 7 and imad is batting too low, plus he wasn't fully fit)
8) Shaheen (wasn't full fit and is a Useless no 8)
9) Naseem (If you want a decent no 9 batter sure he's good but he ain't a t20 bowler. He's okayish in odi and test but even then avergae, nothing special)
10) Rauf (Run machine but did well in the cup)
11) Amir (Good bowler, not as effective as he was in 2017 though, but still the best bowler we had, which isn't saying much, A has been was our best bowler lol)

It was a very very weak team so I doubt anything would have worked. Fakhar would have kicked off maybe once if he was promoted to open.

The top order is a joke, Middle order is filled with openers, 5,6,7 either cannot bat or can't play t20 properly.

Bowlers are run machines.

And @daytrader told me this team would qualify for super 8's, beat Aus and eliminate them .

 

[daytrader]

Eh, 2024 Pakistan is the weakest t20 side to ever play a cup for pakistan. Even weaker then 2022. I don't think it would have made any difference imo.

1) Babar (Useless)
2) Rizwan ( Useless)
3) Saim/Usman (They weren't ready yet, Saim 100% wasn't, No clue about usman of he'll ever be ready, + wrong batting position)
4) Fakhar (Useless at no 4)
5) Shadab (Literally a tailender at 5 and a bowling run machine)
6) Chacha (Useless)
7) Azam/ Imad (Azam is Useless at no 7 and imad is batting too low, plus he wasn't fully fit)
8) Shaheen (wasn't full fit and is a Useless no 8)
9) Naseem (If you want a decent no 9 batter sure he's good but he ain't a t20 bowler. He's okayish in odi and test but even then avergae, nothing special)
10) Rauf (Run machine but did well in the cup)
11) Amir (Good bowler, not as effective as he was in 2017 though, but still the best bowler we had, which isn't saying much, A has been was our best bowler lol)

It was a very very weak team so I doubt anything would have worked. Fakhar would have kicked off maybe once if he was promoted to open.

The top order is a joke, Middle order is filled with openers, 5,6,7 either cannot bat or can't play t20 properly.

Bowlers are run machines.

And @daytrader told me this team would qualify for super 8's, beat Aus and eliminate them .

I had pinned hopes that since we selected two world class players just for the WC that we would do better than before. However, Imad and Amir proved to be our match losers rather than winners.

Amir was our best bowler? Bro he was one of our main culprits and got taken to the cleaners in the super over

 

[mominsaigol]

I had pinned hopes that since we selected two world class players just for the WC that we would do better than before. However, Imad and Amir proved to be our match losers rather than winners.

Amir was our best bowler? Bro he was one of our main culprits and got taken to the cleaners in the super over

All I remember is that I told you straight up Pakistan ain't even making it past Group stages and they won't get to super 8's.

You on the other hand were sure that not only would they get their, they'd also conquer Australia if given the chance.

The idea that such a weak squad is conquering a side filled with Warner, Travis, Marsh, stoinis, inglis, David, Cummins, hazlewood, starc and many others is comical.

Beating aus in an odi series or t20 series bi laterals isn't a biggie. Aussie fandom only cares about icc events and test series.

If it wasn't for wtc cycles they wouldn't care about test either and would only care about BGT and Ashes.

You claiming pak would beat aus shows you have zero understanding about other teams.

What good did watching BGT even do? I'm the only one who predicted Travis and Smith would be key players who'd win it while the rest were hoping for aus victory simply for the sake of hating India.

 

[mominsaigol]

I had pinned hopes that since we selected two world class players just for the WC that we would do better than before. However, Imad and Amir proved to be our match losers rather than winners.

Amir was our best bowler? Bro he was one of our main culprits and got taken to the cleaners in the super over

And the fact that you think Amir and imad are worldclass is also comical.

I'm not aware of what @Rana bhai's views are, but Amir is a world class bowler only in his prime. In psl it was clear that he was more or less finished but the fact that crapola players like usama mir and mohammad ali topped the charts showed just how crap and fraudulent the PSL system truly was.

Pakistan's biggest problem before aqib somewhat fixed things and even then he still has botched t20, was that they selected all their players for every format based of PSL alone.

The result was that all of the bowlers selected were crap. Thats how bad Pakistan is, That a has been bowler who bowled a horrible super over, and a run machine who conceded 15 runs in the last over causing said super over were our 2 best bowlers since shaheen was useless and naseem was only economical but non threatening at best.

As for Imad, Imad is appreciated since no allrounder has replaced him in t20. Agha, Nawaz, Shadab, Chacha are such horrible replacements that one now sympathises with shahid afridi, hafeez and razzaq since they clearly got unnecessary hate all those years ago.

Agha is the only silver lining due to odi and test exploits but his stats have always been rubbish in t20.

But world class isn't what you'd use for imad.

Babar, Imad, Rizwan, usman khan, Azam Khan, Chacha, Shaheen etc etc, none of them are world class.

Fakhar would be if he was more consistent, Amir was at one point and saim looks like he will be given his current form.

The rest not a chance.

 

[daytrader]

All I remember is that I told you straight up Pakistan ain't even making it past Group stages and they won't get to super 8's.

You on the other hand were sure that not only would they get their, they'd also conquer Australia if given the chance.

The idea that such a weak squad is conquering a side filled with Warner, Travis, Marsh, stoinis, inglis, David, Cummins, hazlewood, starc and many others is comical.

Beating aus in an odi series or t20 series bi laterals isn't a biggie. Aussie fandom only cares about icc events and test series.

If it wasn't for wtc cycles they wouldn't care about test either and would only care about BGT and Ashes.

You claiming pak would beat aus shows you have zero understanding about other teams.

What good did watching BGT even do? I'm the only one who predicted Travis and Smith would be key players who'd win it while the rest were hoping for aus victory simply for the sake of hating India.

I'm a Pakistan fan and not Australian. I will always back my team no matter who they play.

You're from Australia and you will back yours. Plus it's easy to bet on Australia, they always bring their top game. Don't try to take credit for their wins and make it seem that you know it all.

And since we didn't play Australia the discussion on who would've won is just what ifs.

I also see what you're trying to do here with claiming that Australia doesn't take bilaterals seriously. You just want to undermine Pakistan's recent achievement of the ODI series win in Australia. And only because Rizwan was at the helm If Imad Wasim would've been captain you would've sung praises for him all over the World

 

[daytrader]

All I remember is that I told you straight up Pakistan ain't even making it past Group stages and they won't get to super 8's.

When we had this discussion you didn't even know what the groups were. I corrected you saying that Pakistan won't play Australia till the knockouts. Eat almonds, your memory is weak

 

[mominsaigol]

I'm a Pakistan fan and not Australian. I will always back my team no matter who they play.

You're from Australia and you will back yours. Plus it's easy to bet on Australia, they always bring their top game. Don't try to take credit for their wins and make it seem that you know it all.

And since we didn't play Australia the discussion on who would've won is just what ifs.

I also see what you're trying to do here with claiming that Australia doesn't take bilaterals seriously. You just want to undermine Pakistan's recent achievement of the ODI series win in Australia. And only because Rizwan was at the helm If Imad Wasim would've been captain you would've sung praises for him all over the World

Lol no, I would never want pakistan to beat Australia no matter who's captain.

It's not what ifs. Not everything needs to be literal. One can use solid data which you have no idea on how to use to determine who'd likely win if said teams were to hypothetically face each other.

9 out of 10 times 2024 wc aus would demolish 2024 wc pakistan. Only a fluke victory or some nonsense drs circumstances would allow them to get a win, but otherwise it wouldn't happen.

The batting is too fragile to handle the trip of stark, Cummins and hazlewood. Babar is a zampa bunny by default and in t20 he has no option but to go at him, and the bowling is too weak to trouble Warner, head, Marsh, stones or maxwell for that matter.

 

[mominsaigol]

When we had this discussion you didn't even know what the groups were. I corrected you saying that Pakistan won't play Australia till the knockouts. Eat almonds, your memory is weak

First i have a genuine question.

Whenever we have a conversation and you say something like eat almonds why do you then bicker and whine when I show the same aggression towards you? Is Canada a land of hooligans or were you such a chawal that Pakistan booted you out of its own homeland?

Me not knowing the groups cause I didn't check them are irrelevant since I assumed it would be a round Robin format like wc 2023.

That's completly irrelevant to you claiming with certainty that pak would qualify for s8 when I stated they wouldn't.

No more diverting topics from your end. You have this self entitled delusional belief that you're winning arguments by simply not answering and bringing in irrelevant points such

As Rizwan’s 74 of 62 doesn't matter cause Pakistan got to 36 of 18, when it literally proves how much of a liability he is given the fact that the rest of the team needs to play twice as fast just to reach that amount in the first place.

However you're diverting everything away from rizwan in the same way you're diverting your goofup by bringing in something I said which isn't relevant.

Did no one ever teach you to take accountability in life?

 

[daytrader]

First i have a genuine question.

Whenever we have a conversation and you say something like eat almonds why do you then bicker and whine when I show the same aggression towards you? Is Canada a land of hooligans or were you such a chawal that Pakistan booted you out of its own homeland?

Me not knowing the groups cause I didn't check them are irrelevant since I assumed it would be a round Robin format like wc 2023.

That's completly irrelevant to you claiming with certainty that pak would qualify for s8 when I stated they wouldn't.

No more diverting topics from your end. You have this self entitled delusional belief that you're winning arguments by simply not answering and bringing in irrelevant points such

As Rizwan’s 74 of 62 doesn't matter cause Pakistan got to 36 of 18, when it literally proves how much of a liability he is given the fact that the rest of the team needs to play twice as fast just to reach that amount in the first place.

However you're diverting everything away from rizwan in the same way you're diverting your goofup by bringing in something I said which isn't relevant.

Did no one ever teach you to take accountability in life?

So you're taking offense to eating almonds? They're healthy for you. I thought we had this relationship where we can banter without getting rude. And believe me this is very polite compared to some other choice words I can use for your shaningans.

This is typical of you, when you're corrected and proven wrong that you don't know what you're talking about, you resort to blabbering and diverting.

At least you admitted you had no idea about the format of the T20 WC and you don't bother to research before expressing your opinion. This is disrespectful to all readers and only hurts your credibility. Try researching before you rush to write an essay.

Khair not so perfect now are you, you admitted you had no idea what you were talking about. Thanks

 

[topspin]

Agreed, Imad didn’t deliver on the day.

So, what about Fakhar, Rizwan, and Babar? As specialist batters, wasn’t it their job to finish a chase of 119? Funny how this entire monologue conveniently skips even a passing mention of their responsibility.

Care to share your thoughts on that, or is it not part of the syllabus?

It's no longer part of the syllabus because I've just ended him after exposing his reading of the game, regarding "Imam is versatile enough to bat anywhere in the top 4". See post 153.

 

[Farabi]

It's no longer part of the syllabus because I've just ended him after exposing his reading of the game, regarding "Imam is versatile enough to bat anywhere in the top 4". See post 153.

It’s a disgrace. Let me bowl another steep bouncer below.

 

[Farabi]

Imad was brought back into the team on the back of his batting exploits in PSL eliminator and final. Not because of his bowling.

The entire narrative surrounding his comeback was based on his perceived ability to keep his cool under pressure and bat according to the situation.

Now that all of that proved to be a myth and Imad ended up playing one of the worst innings in the history of the format whilst completing bolting it under pressure, his apologists want to pivot to “but he bowled well” to cover up for his batting failures but that excuse will not work.

When Imad’s batting fails, he becomes a bowling all-rounder for his fans and when his bowling fails, he becomes a batting all-rounder.

The reality is that he is a poor cricketer either way. If he is a bowling all-rounder then you can’t look beyond the fact that he averages 60+ with the ball vs the top 5 sides in ODI cricket. If he is a batting all-rounder, then you can’t look beyond the fact that he averages 15 with the bat in T20Is.

A lot of players including Rizwan, Babar, Iftikhar and a host of others didn’t perform like they should have in that World Cup, but when you make a comeback on the back of a specific narrative and fail to do exactly what your fans claimed that you would do, you are bound to receive more criticism.

We all know what Imad’s fans would have said had he not played that India match and someone like Nawaz would have played instead.

We all know what Imad himself would have said about Pakistan’s batting approach vs India if he was an analyst on TV.

Same goes for Amir and the worst ever Super Over that he bowled vs the USA. Pakistan brought these two back so that they could help them lose to USA and India and effectively crash out of the World Cup.

As far as Imad vs Rizwan is concerned, Rizwan is a far better cricketer across all formats who will be remembered as one of the best, if not the best WK batsman in Pakistan history. Love him or hate him, he has a legacy.

Imad on the other hand is a complete nobody, who never got a Test cap, never captained the country and will just be a random name on the scorecards for future generations of Pakistani fans, like just some random names that we now see on the scorecards from 70s and 80s.

Agreed, Imad didn’t deliver on the day.

So, what about Fakhar, Rizwan, and Babar? As specialist batters, wasn’t it their job to finish a chase of 119? Funny how this entire monologue conveniently skips even a passing mention of their responsibility.

Care to share your thoughts on that, or is it not part of the syllabus?

 

[Major]

Btw watch the whole podcast. Ali tareen has raised some really good points, and it shows the issues that exist in PCB.

PCB are really involved in some dumb stuff

 

[BouncerGuy]

PCB are really involved in some dumb stuff

as usual. We expect PCB to make some crazy moves and take those decisions that make no sense... IMAD AND AMIR was one of them

 

[mominsaigol]

So you're taking offense to eating almonds? They're healthy for you. I thought we had this relationship where we can banter without getting rude. And believe me this is very polite compared to some other choice words I can use for your shaningans.

This is typical of you, when you're corrected and proven wrong that you don't know what you're talking about, you resort to blabbering and diverting.

At least you admitted you had no idea about the format of the T20 WC and you don't bother to research before expressing your opinion. This is disrespectful to all readers and only hurts your credibility. Try researching before you rush to write an essay.

Khair not so perfect now are you, you admitted you had no idea what you were talking about. Thanks

Diverting again

 

[emranabbas]

Btw watch the whole podcast. Ali tareen has raised some really good points, and it shows the issues that exist in PCB.

PCB are really involved in some dumb stuff

That's cool, Major. I've been keeping up with the thread, still waiting for those who say Imad failed us to explain themselves.

What were Rizwan, Babar, Fakhar, Shadab, and Iftikhar even there for? were they in the team as show pieces?

 

[shah9425]

Exactly it's the truth

I'm the best all rounder my foot

 

[Rana]

Exactly it's the truth

I'm the best all rounder my foot

Ali Tareen: “I need openers who can smash spin in the middle overs”

Kaptaana:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1723349625673834929

 

[shah9425]

Ali Tareen: “I need openers who can smash spin in the middle overs”

Kaptaana:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1723349625673834929

World class innings by best all rounder

 

[Rana]

World class innings by best all rounder

Ali Tareen’s finisher saab after finishing Pakistan:

 

[Rana]

Ali Tareen: “I need more power up top, I don’t want Warner as he’s not a team man. Rizwan and Finn ALlEn will be a great combo”

Le Partner of Finn Allen the Kaptaana:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1867605382429896811

 

[Mamoon]

So, Imad was brought back into the team for his batting. Wow, amazing! That means Rizwan and Babar don’t need to perform anymore. So why did those two even bother opening the batting? Should’ve just let Imad open at the top!

Time to put your HIGH IQ to work.

Sri Lanka managed only 77 runs on this ground, and it took South Africa a full 17 overs to chase it down. Only the top bat order batsmen for both teams were able to score as the pitch got tougher and tougher for batsmen

India couldn’t get past 119 in the first innings, with only their top 4 managing to score because the pitch kept getting tougher to bat on. Clearly, you should’ve shared your HIGH IQ with Rizwan and Babar they should’ve scored the runs while it was still easy! they both failed us and have ni right to be called world class

Even In the Ireland vs india game 7 of their batsmen only managed single digits and India batmens kholi and yadav got out on single digits too and similar with Ireland and Canada on this ground with most being out on single digits

About time you use you HIGH IQ and understand how different grounds and pitches play and how they can effect scoring before making ridiculous comments

Agreed, Imad didn’t deliver on the day.

So, what about Fakhar, Rizwan, and Babar? As specialist batters, wasn’t it their job to finish a chase of 119? Funny how this entire monologue conveniently skips even a passing mention of their responsibility.

Care to share your thoughts on that, or is it not part of the syllabus?

Babar, Rizwan, Fakhar and others didn’t spend 1 year criticizing the current players on tv and taking shots at them. When you criticize others, the onus is on you to show them how it is done when you are given the opportunity, and the only thing that Imad showed was that he is all talk and no show.

Moreover, the sequence of events also matter. In spite of Babar and Fakhar throwing their wickets away with poor shots and Rizwan playing slowly, the match was still in Pakistan’s grasp when they got out and Imad was on the crease.

Imad blew it. When he arrived to the crease, Pakistan needed 47 in 46. When he departed after embarrassing himself, Pakistan needed 18 in 5.

I don’t need lectures from 0 IQ fans that 47 in 46 on that pitch was not very straightforward, and I get that, but 47 in 46 meant that the match was 70/30 in Pakistan’s favor.

When Imad departed, the match was 100-0 in India’s favor. Imad, like Amir vs USA, were the biggest culprits of those defeats because of the sequence of events. They did the most damage on the day and the fact that it happened after they spent a year criticizing the players on TV made it even more humiliating.

Imad is a rubbish cricketer and a rubbish human being who deserves this humiliation and his deluded fans will not be allowed to deflect the blame on other players.

Imad came back to play one of the worst innings in T20I history; Amir came back to bowl the worst Super Over in history and both retired again like cowards.

 

[Mamoon]

@Mamoon question for you why india only managed to score 119 in Newyork? Poor batting by india or good bowling by Pakistan?

It was a 130-135 pitch that was misread by Indian lower order. The Indian top order gave them an excellent platform, but the lower order kept going for big shots when they needed to knock the ball around.

The likes of SKY and Pant threw their wickets away by playing shots that were not suitable on that surface.

Mr. Cool under pressure and Mr. Intelligent Imad “Gary Sobers” Wasim saw what happened to the Indian lower order batsmen in the last 5 overs of their innings and yet he repeated the same mistakes and suffered the same fate.

If he was a smart and a mentally calm player that his deluded fans claim that he is, he would have learned from the demise of the Indian batsmen in the last 5 overs.

Pakistan had a golden opportunity to win that game and batting second was a blessing, but Imad lost them the match with his poor match awareness and intelligence.

 

[shah9425]

Babar, Rizwan, Fakhar and others didn’t spend 1 year criticizing the current players on tv and taking shots at them. When you criticize others, the onus is on you to show them how it is done when you are given the opportunity, and the only thing that Imad showed was that he is all talk and no show.

Moreover, the sequence of events also matter. In spite of Babar and Fakhar throwing their wickets away with poor shots and Rizwan playing slowly, the match was still in Pakistan’s grasp when they got out and Imad was on the crease.

Imad blew it. When he arrived to the crease, Pakistan needed 47 in 46. When he departed after embarrassing himself, Pakistan needed 18 in 5.

I don’t need lectures from 0 IQ fans that 47 in 46 on that pitch was not very straightforward, and I get that, but 47 in 46 meant that the match was 70/30 in Pakistan’s favor.

When Imad departed, the match was 100-0 in India’s favor. Imad, like Amir vs USA, were the biggest culprits of those defeats because of the sequence of events. They did the most damage on the day and the fact that it happened after they spent a year criticizing the players on TV made it even more humiliating.

Imad is a rubbish cricketer and a rubbish human being who deserves this humiliation and his deluded fans will not be allowed to deflect the blame on other players.

Imad came back to play one of the worst innings in T20I history; Amir came back to bowl the worst Super Over in history and both retired again like cowards.

I'm the best all rounder lol

 

[Mamoon]

I'm the best all rounder lol

Imad “who is better than me?” Wasim

 

[Rana]

Imad “who is better than me?” Wasim

Imad who sent Peshawar Zalmi packing. That’s who.

 

[shah9425]

Imad “who is better than me?” Wasim

I remember a promo he said who is the best all rounder

This clown said myself

He is only good at bashing other players

 

[Rana]

I remember a promo he said who is the best all rounder

This clown said myself

He is only good at bashing other players

https://twitter.com/x/status/1877358469772112266

 

[emranabbas]

Babar, Rizwan, Fakhar and others didn’t spend 1 year criticizing the current players on tv and taking shots at them. When you criticize others, the onus is on you to show them how it is done when you are given the opportunity, and the only thing that Imad showed was that he is all talk and no show.

Moreover, the sequence of events also matter. In spite of Babar and Fakhar throwing their wickets away with poor shots and Rizwan playing slowly, the match was still in Pakistan’s grasp when they got out and Imad was on the crease.

Imad blew it. When he arrived to the crease, Pakistan needed 47 in 46. When he departed after embarrassing himself, Pakistan needed 18 in 5.

I don’t need lectures from 0 IQ fans that 47 in 46 on that pitch was not very straightforward, and I get that, but 47 in 46 meant that the match was 70/30 in Pakistan’s favor.

When Imad departed, the match was 100-0 in India’s favor. Imad, like Amir vs USA, were the biggest culprits of those defeats because of the sequence of events. They did the most damage on the day and the fact that it happened after they spent a year criticizing the players on TV made it even more humiliating.

Imad is a rubbish cricketer and a rubbish human being who deserves this humiliation and his deluded fans will not be allowed to deflect the blame on other players.

Imad came back to play one of the worst innings in T20I history; Amir came back to bowl the worst Super Over in history and both retired again like cowards.

Your post doesn’t make sense, and here’s why: Imam was the second-highest scorer in the team.

Your point would only be valid if everyone else outperformed him and he failed.

 

[emranabbas]

It was a 130-135 pitch that was misread by Indian lower order. The Indian top order gave them an excellent platform, but the lower order kept going for big shots when they needed to knock the ball around.

The likes of SKY and Pant threw their wickets away by playing shots that were not suitable on that surface.

Mr. Cool under pressure and Mr. Intelligent Imad “Gary Sobers” Wasim saw what happened to the Indian lower order batsmen in the last 5 overs of their innings and yet he repeated the same mistakes and suffered the same fate.

If he was a smart and a mentally calm player that his deluded fans claim that he is, he would have learned from the demise of the Indian batsmen in the last 5 overs.

Pakistan had a golden opportunity to win that game and batting second was a blessing, but Imad lost them the match with his poor match awareness and intelligence.

Captain Babar doesn’t know how to read the pitch. World-class batsman Rizwan doesn’t know how to read the pitch. Shadab, the best all-rounder, and Iftikhar, the finisher, also don’t know how to read the pitch. Yet, Imad, the part-timer, is somehow the expert at reading pitches.

 

[Caved12]

There are several important lessons for young cricketers to learn from the mistakes Imad Wasim made throughout his career:

1. Always Support Your Teammates

Never publicly criticize your teammates in a way that casts doubt on their abilities. Speaking poorly about them not only harms team unity but also creates a negative perception about you as an individual.

2. Maintain Your Fitness

Fitness is non-negotiable at the highest level. Allowing your fitness to decline, particularly gaining weight, can severely impact your performance and recovery from injuries. If you’re not in peak physical condition, it becomes much harder to regain form and confidence.

3. Avoid Smoking or Counteract Its Impact

Smoking is detrimental to fitness, especially for professional athletes. If you choose to smoke, you must counteract its effects by working exceptionally hard in the gym and maintaining a strict, clean diet. A lack of discipline in these areas can end a career prematurely.

4. Behave Professionally at All Times

Smoking in the dressing room or on the balcony during a game reflects poorly on a player’s professionalism and commitment. Incidents like this can tarnish your image, as seen when a PSL team owner, Ali Tareen, publicly criticized Imad and questioned his value as a player.

5. Respect the Game

Never act as though you are bigger than the game or that you can dictate terms to those around you. Humility and a willingness to adapt are crucial for long-term success.

Imad’s struggles against Axar Patel and other bowlers in that particular innings highlighted many of these shortcomings. Scoring 15 runs off 23 balls was one of the worst performances of his career, and while he never truly established himself as a batter of note, this will be remembered as a low point by Pakistan cricket fans. Had he addressed the issues mentioned above, there might have been a better chance for him to finish his career on a more positive note.

 

[Rana]

There are several important lessons for young cricketers to learn from the mistakes Imad Wasim made throughout his career:

1. Always Support Your Teammates

Never publicly criticize your teammates in a way that casts doubt on their abilities. Speaking poorly about them not only harms team unity but also creates a negative perception about you as an individual.

2. Maintain Your Fitness

Fitness is non-negotiable at the highest level. Allowing your fitness to decline, particularly gaining weight, can severely impact your performance and recovery from injuries. If you’re not in peak physical condition, it becomes much harder to regain form and confidence.

3. Avoid Smoking or Counteract Its Impact

Smoking is detrimental to fitness, especially for professional athletes. If you choose to smoke, you must counteract its effects by working exceptionally hard in the gym and maintaining a strict, clean diet. A lack of discipline in these areas can end a career prematurely.

4. Behave Professionally at All Times

Smoking in the dressing room or on the balcony during a game reflects poorly on a player’s professionalism and commitment. Incidents like this can tarnish your image, as seen when a PSL team owner, Ali Tareen, publicly criticized Imad and questioned his value as a player.

5. Respect the Game

Never act as though you are bigger than the game or that you can dictate terms to those around you. Humility and a willingness to adapt are crucial for long-term success.

Imad’s struggles against Axar Patel and other bowlers in that particular innings highlighted many of these shortcomings. Scoring 15 runs off 23 balls was one of the worst performances of his career, and while he never truly established himself as a batter of note, this will be remembered as a low point by Pakistan cricket fans. Had he addressed the issues mentioned above, there might have been a better chance for him to finish his career on a more positive note.

You can do the opposite to all of this and still sack Peshawar Zalmi and Multan Sultans back to back and lift the PSL.

 

[Farabi]

Babar, Rizwan, Fakhar and others didn’t spend 1 year criticizing the current players on tv and taking shots at them. When you criticize others, the onus is on you to show them how it is done when you are given the opportunity, and the only thing that Imad showed was that he is all talk and no show.

Moreover, the sequence of events also matter. In spite of Babar and Fakhar throwing their wickets away with poor shots and Rizwan playing slowly, the match was still in Pakistan’s grasp when they got out and Imad was on the crease.

Imad blew it. When he arrived to the crease, Pakistan needed 47 in 46. When he departed after embarrassing himself, Pakistan needed 18 in 5.

I don’t need lectures from 0 IQ fans that 47 in 46 on that pitch was not very straightforward, and I get that, but 47 in 46 meant that the match was 70/30 in Pakistan’s favor.

When Imad departed, the match was 100-0 in India’s favor. Imad, like Amir vs USA, were the biggest culprits of those defeats because of the sequence of events. They did the most damage on the day and the fact that it happened after they spent a year criticizing the players on TV made it even more humiliating.

Imad is a rubbish cricketer and a rubbish human being who deserves this humiliation and his deluded fans will not be allowed to deflect the blame on other players.

Imad came back to play one of the worst innings in T20I history; Amir came back to bowl the worst Super Over in history and both retired again like cowards.

Imad played a pathetic innings. He didn’t walk the talent on match awareness.

That said, you and @Caved12 didn’t answer a very straightforward question. It’s super easy to answer.

Was it the fault of Pakistan's top order that they failed to chase down a target of 119? Should Rizwan, Babar, and Fakhar have taken responsibility to finish the game?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Imad played a pathetic innings. He didn’t walk the talent on match awareness.

That said, you and @Caved12 didn’t answer a very straightforward question. It’s super easy to answer.

Was it the fault of Pakistan's top order that they failed to chase down a target of 119? Should Rizwan, Babar, and Fakhar have taken responsibility to finish the game?

When a team loses it's usually because the majority of the opposition players did better than majority of the teams players. That's a given. However there are individual performances that are significantly worse than others, or performances that turned the game more than others.

In Pakistan's case it was Rizwans crazy dismissal and Imads innings. I refuse to believe any good faithed fan could think otherwise.

Speaking specifically about Imad had this been in the 90s he would have been accused of a lot of things. He showed no intent, no desire to push the score along and no positivity in his body language.

Again, I refuse to believe that any good faithed fan who watched the game could arrive at a different conclusion.

The gymnastics that some are doing to absolve him of any blame is staggering.

 

[sweep_shot]

Why only blame Imad Wasim? It was a collective failure.

 

[Rana]

Why only blame Imad Wasim? It was a collective failure.

Because in Pakistan, there are some who can easily be scapegoated whilst the true culprits can get a free pass, and later awarded captaincy.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

It will be embarrassing for Ali Tareen if Imad performs against his side again.

 

[Farabi]

When a team loses it's usually because the majority of the opposition players did better than majority of the teams players. That's a given. However there are individual performances that are significantly worse than others, or performances that turned the game more than others.

In Pakistan's case it was Rizwans crazy dismissal and Imads innings. I refuse to believe any good faithed fan could think otherwise.

Speaking specifically about Imad had this been in the 90s he would have been accused of a lot of things. He showed no intent, no desire to push the score along and no positivity in his body language.

Again, I refuse to believe that any good faithed fan who watched the game could arrive at a different conclusion.

The gymnastics that some are doing to absolve him of any blame is staggering.

Team roles aren’t assigned based on what someone brags about on TV—they’re based on core skills. If you’re in the team as a batter, your main job is to score runs. Let’s get that done first before we start talking about all-rounders or bowlers who chip in wherever they can.

The biggest flop of the day where the specialist batters—especially Rizwan and Babar. These guys are in the team purely for their batting, and their sole purpose is to reliably chase small totals like this. They’re not even expected to go full throttle upfront, so when they fail, it’s disappointing as chasing 119 is their reason for existence in a Pakistani T20 team.

Yes, Fakhar and Usman were also disappointing, but Fakhar’s role is to go big or go home, and Usman is still learning the ropes. Then we get to the all-rounders, Shadab and Imad, who were just… awful. No sugarcoating that.

And don’t even get me started on Babar’s captaincy decision to demote Iftikhar. What was he doing in the team if he cannot even be trusted to chase this and what kind of innings did he play?

The wild part? Some folks @Caved12 and @Mamoon write these massive essays blaming one guy while conveniently ignoring everyone else. Sure, you’re free to have an opinion, but it’s hard to take that kind of one-sided take seriously.

 

[emranabbas]

Team roles aren’t assigned based on what someone brags about on TV—they’re based on core skills. If you’re in the team as a batter, your main job is to score runs. Let’s get that done first before we start talking about all-rounders or bowlers who chip in wherever they can.

The biggest flop of the day where the specialist batters—especially Rizwan and Babar. These guys are in the team purely for their batting, and their sole purpose is to reliably chase small totals like this. They’re not even expected to go full throttle upfront, so when they fail, it’s disappointing as chasing 119 is their reason for existence in a Pakistani T20 team.

Yes, Fakhar and Usman were also disappointing, but Fakhar’s role is to go big or go home, and Usman is still learning the ropes. Then we get to the all-rounders, Shadab and Imad, who were just… awful. No sugarcoating that.

And don’t even get me started on Babar’s captaincy decision to demote Iftikhar. What was he doing in the team if he cannot even be trusted to chase this and what kind of innings did he play?

The wild part? Some folks @Caved12 and @Mamoon write these massive essays blaming one guy while conveniently ignoring everyone else. Sure, you’re free to have an opinion, but it’s hard to take that kind of one-sided take seriously.

Excellent post

 

[Savak]

There needs to be a code of conduct for the PSL owners which the PCB needs to make them sign. You can't be pissing on your league, PCB, foreign players and national team players like this just because you have unlimited daddy's money to spend.

 

[Rana]

There needs to be a code of conduct for the PSL owners which the PCB needs to make them sign. You can't be pissing on your league, PCB, foreign players and national team players like this just because you have unlimited daddy's money to spend.

Tareen probably knows he isn’t going to be a team owner next year. He’s doing all of this on purpose

 

[emranabbas]

Tareen probably knows he isn’t going to be a team owner next year. He’s doing all of this on purpose

He just seems to be like one of those burger bache seeking attention.

 

[Major]

No your interest is only to support Tareen’s vile comments about Imad because you hate Imad as he has exposed your precious Babar and Rizwan as T20 useless players!

Lol exposed?

Rizwam is today pakistan captain, something that imad kept dreaming off.

The only one stood exposed is imad and by a team owner.

You know you suck when you get called out by a team owner. Even umar akmal and shezad never fell that low

 

[Rana]

World class selections by Ali Tareen after slagging off Imad…..



















Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahaahahaahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahaha

 

[Savak]

Ehsanullhah has given an interview where he expressed his disappointment at not being picked in the PSL and that he is boycotting the PSL going forward. He has called the PSL a friends with benefits club and called Ali Tareen Matlabi.

 

[Rana]

Too many enemies. Ihsanullah is hunting down Ali Tareen now. He is p****d about the statement he made about him not being able to bowl 150kmh ever again.

 

[Major]

Ehsanullhah has given an interview where he expressed his disappointment at not being picked in the PSL and that he is boycotting the PSL going forward. He has called the PSL a friends with benefits club and called Ali Tareen Matlabi.

The only guy who stood up for him is Ali tareen. Lol bhai you faked your age and still played for Pakistan.

I think thats the end of Ihsanullah if he is gonna pick up a fight with PSL now by doing some boycott.

Oh well, its sad when uneducated players take the dumb route.