Do Test match wins in England actually count?

[Nikhil_cric]

In the last 5 home seasons, England have lost plenty of tests at home and lost atleast 1 test to every visiting team including the West Indies. Compare that , say, to a place like Australia where only South Africa have won even a single test in this period or India where only Australia have won a solitary test in this period. So,for visiting teams, is it really that much of anchievement to win test matches in england? Discuss.

 

[Rahul1]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] need your opinion bro.

 

[King kohli]

Every test win in away from home always important and here india win after behind 2- 0 so it's more important for series perspective .

 

[Joseph Gomes]

I agree it doesn't. England lost to even West Indies at home. They're not even home bullies, which is an absolute minimum for a decent team now.

 

[Bhaijaan]

West Indies are a different team when their seamers come into play. I dont like the condescending tone hence. They are inconsistent for sure but on a given day they can beat anyone.

 

[aloo paratha]

Didn't lose to sri Lanka in 2016 iirc

 

[MP2011]

In the last 5 home seasons, England have lost plenty of tests at home and lost atleast 1 test to every visiting team including the West Indies. Compare that , say, to a place like Australia where only South Africa have won even a single test in this period or India where only Australia have won a solitary test in this period. So,for visiting teams, is it really that much of anchievement to win test matches in england? Discuss.

Cheeky

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Didn't lose to sri Lanka in 2016 iirc

I said last 5 home seasons man. They lost to Lanka in 2014.

 

[Aman]

It's easy to win a Test in England because they have concentration lapses, even the Aussies who have been criticized for not being able to play in conditions with the moving ball have managed to win games.

Now winning a series is different, quite a few teams have managed to draw a series or win a Test but only SA and SL (2 Test series) have managed to win a series in England.

 

[happydavy]

I agree, victories against SA and Australia matter much more. On that point, when was the last time Pakistan won in either of the 2 countries? 90s perhaps ?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Of all nations England has the most even contest between bat & ball . All bowlers can use their skills over the summer as the conditions allow this . It’s the best place to play cricket.

India played well in the 3rd test but will still go on to lose the series.

 

[Balthazar]

I think it's very easy to adjust to English conditions than any other country. Even trundlers look like top quality bowlers in those conditions, for example Pakistani bowlers who look, otherwise, completely flat in SA and AUS.

 

[saeed5646]

I agree, victories against SA and Australia matter much more. On that point, when was the last time Pakistan won in either of the 2 countries? 90s perhaps ?

Are we talking about india first test win or india test series win in nz?pakistan have won a test in 2007 in SA and have much better test record in eng than india

 

[saeed5646]

I think it's very easy to adjust to English conditions than any other country. Even trundlers look like top quality bowlers in those conditions, for example Pakistani bowlers who look, otherwise, completely flat in SA and AUS.

If trundler win you testvmatches in eng than india would have been unbeaten in eng rather than have one of the most terrible record in eng.as for SA we have last played in 2013 if mighty india have fail to win their so we can afford to lose their

 

[Balthazar]

If trundler win you testvmatches in eng than india would have been unbeaten in eng rather than have one of the most terrible record in eng.as for SA we have last played in 2013 if mighty india have fail to win their so we can afford to lose their

I think it's about time you wake up and see the difference between our bowlers. Pakistani bowlers are the trundlers brigade of this era, as we saw how they couldn't keep up with Australian fast bowlers in the Australian Test series. But don't worry you are not alone as English trundlers will be giving you a hard fight.

 

[saeed5646]

I think it's about time you wake up and see the difference between our bowlers. Pakistani bowlers are the trundlers brigade of this era, as we saw how they couldn't keep up with Australian fast bowlers in the Australian Test series. But don't worry you are not alone as English trundlers will be giving you a hard fight.

Dont try to act smart i am talking overall when sturt binny was opening the bowling for you .Pakistan test bowling is terrible from quite a while so its mean nothing if india fast bowler are faster than pakistani. The less you said about eng against pakistan is better because we have given them equal fight.

 

[Junaids]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] need your opinion bro.

Very good thread.

Trevor Bayliss has ruined our batting with his emphasis on hitting our way out of trouble.

And Andrew Strauss was even worse with how he refused to allow KP to be selected when the Chief Executive had told him he would be considered on playing performance. At the time Strauss banished him he was 340 not out in the middle of a match.

 

[Balthazar]

Dont try to act smart i am talking overall when sturt binny was opening the bowling for you .Pakistan test bowling is terrible from quite a while so its mean nothing if india fast bowler are faster than pakistani. The less you said about eng against pakistan is better because we have given them equal fight.

But you agree there isn't much to talk about current Pakistani bowlers as they are nothing but trundlers.

Sure Pakistan have given a hard fight in the last couple of series in England but the point is, as OP said, does winning test matches in England even counts? Even WI and SL have won here.

 

[saeed5646]

But you agree there isn't much to talk about current Pakistani bowlers as they are nothing but trundlers.

Sure Pakistan have given a hard fight in the last couple of series in England but the point is, as OP said, does winning test matches in England even counts? Even WI and SL have won here.

Least you said about trundler better it i know you guys have inferiorty complex but it is not neccesary if indian test bowler currently are faster than automatically pakistan bowler will become trundler in test which is wrong.

Winning a single test like w.i against eng and drawing a series is completly different like pakistan did against eng twice.SL was outstanding as they won the test series in eng as number 1 test side india should do better than what pak,wi did in eng .than you guys can chest pump or bash eng for their home performances

 

[Balthazar]

Least you said about trundler better it i know you guys have inferiorty complex but it is not neccesary if indian test bowler currently are faster than automatically pakistan bowler will become trundler in test which is wrong.

Winning a single test like w.i against eng and drawing a series is completly different like pakistan did against eng twice.SL was outstanding as they won the test series in eng as number 1 test side india should do better than what pak,wi did in eng .than you guys can chest pump or bash eng for their home performances

It's actually quite opposite. We can really say that we have a far superior bowling unit who could perform in all the conditions. Spinners, Swing bowlers and Fast bowlers. Take your pick.

I think most Indian fans would agree that anything less than a series win here for India is considered a failure, because winning odd test matches in England is not really an achievement because of the quality of the opposition.

 

[saeed5646]

It's actually quite opposite. We can really say that we have a far superior bowling unit who could perform in all the conditions. Spinners, Swing bowlers and Fast bowlers. Take your pick.

I think most Indian fans would agree that anything less than a series win here for India is considered a failure, because winning odd test matches in England is not really an achievement.

be my guest in asia cup .when pak fast bowler play against india watch their speed and than compare it

with india we both will get our answer.kuldeep is better thats it

 

[Balthazar]

be my guest in asia cup .when pak fast bowler play against india watch their speed and than compare it

with india we both will get our answer.kuldeep is better thats it

How the standards have fallen. Here we are talking about Test Cricket and the genuine fast bowling and you want Asia cup to be the parameter.

 

[saeed5646]

How the standards have fallen. Here we are talking about Test Cricket and the genuine fast bowling and you want Asia cup to be the parameter.

i thought you were talking about overall my bad

 

[the_outsider]

Winning a single test like w.i against eng and drawing a series is completly different like pakistan did against eng twice.SL was outstanding as they won the test series in eng as number 1 test side india should do better than what pak,wi did in eng .than you guys can chest pump or bash eng for their home performances

Dude the last series Pak drew was just a 2 match series. It's was a good performance no doubt - but not one to be bragging about like you are.

Even WI was 1-1 after the first 2 tests in England in 2017.

India was 1-0 up after 2 tests in 2014.

 

[saeed5646]

Dude the last series Pak drew was just a 2 match series. It's was a good performance no doubt - but not one to be bragging about like you are.

Even WI was 1-1 after the first 2 tests in England in 2017.

India was 1-0 up after 2 tests in 2014.

hahahaha i read it all if you are that much naive what about pakistan vs england 2016 series and

by the way did w.i win their 3rd test against england ?

 

[big_gamer007]

England are weakest of the top 5 cricket playing nations at home.

So compared to India, Australia, SA, NZ and Pakistan victories in England are much easier. This is due to their conditions being extremely good for everyone. So a 5 test series will result in conditions for everyone from seamers, to spinners to batsmen. In addition to that their team is not as strong at home as someone like India or Aus are at their respective homes.

So does victory against England count? Absolutely victories against every country count be it minnows like Zimbabwe or Top teams like SA/Aus or semi minnows like England.

 

[Minnowbasher]

Do test match wins count at all? It's a dead format that nobody watches. Do cricket match wins count at all? No one watches cricket.

 

[topspin]

Summers in England have been drier since 2016, giving rise to more batting friendly wickets - even a medicore Pakistan batting line up scored runs at Lords, Edgbaston (first innings) and Oval. Misbah somehow scored a ton as well.

The only exception was India's first 2 tests when it was very cloudy despite the heatwave season we've had here.

 

[the_outsider]

hahahaha i read it all if you are that much naive what about pakistan vs england 2016 series and

by the way did w.i win their 3rd test against england ?

No they won the 2nd one. It was 1-1 after 2 tests.

And yes 2-2 series was a very good one for Pakistan. No arguments there.

But you also brought up the 2017 tour and what I said still holds true.

A 1-1 score in a 2 test series is not indicative of anything.

 

[saeed5646]

No they won the 2nd one. It was 1-1 after 2 tests.

And yes 2-2 series was a very good one for Pakistan. No arguments there.

But you also brought up the 2017 tour and what I said still holds true.

A 1-1 score in a 2 test series is not indicative of anything.

you live in fancy world.test cricket is dying majority team outside big 3 don,t play more than 2 or 3 test

 

[the_outsider]

you live in fancy world.test cricket is dying majority team outside big 3 don,t play more than 2 or 3 test

That is irrelevant to the point. My opinion would be the same for any 2 test series, whether it involves Pak, India or any other team.

A 1-1 draw in a 2 test series is simply not the same as a 2-2 draw in a 4 test series.

Pak's 2-2 in England was a top class performance. It's the best performance by an Asian team outside the SC since India's 2003/04 tour of Australia.

But the recent 1-1 tour leaves too many questions unanswered to fairly say which was the superior team in the series especially considering the fact that England often loses at home.

If the 1-1 standing came in India or Australia that would be a fantastic achievement because India & Aus are almost unbeatable at home. But that's not the case for England.

 

[Ab Fan]

That is irrelevant to the point. My opinion would be the same for any 2 test series, whether it involves Pak, India or any other team.

A 1-1 draw in a 2 test series is simply not the same as a 2-2 draw in a 4 test series.

<B>Pak's 2-2 in England was a top class performance. It's the best performance by an Asian team outside the SC since India's 2003/04 tour of Australia.</B>

But the recent 1-1 tour leaves too many questions unanswered to fairly say which was the superior team in the series especially considering the fact that England often loses at home.

If the 1-1 standing came in India or Australia that would be a fantastic achievement because India & Aus are almost unbeatable at home. But that's not the case for England.

India series win in England 2007
India series draw in SA 2010/11(against a strong SA side)
India series win in New Zealand 2008

 

[saeed5646]

That is irrelevant to the point. My opinion would be the same for any 2 test series, whether it involves Pak, India or any other team.

A 1-1 draw in a 2 test series is simply not the same as a 2-2 draw in a 4 test series.

Pak's 2-2 in England was a top class performance. It's the best performance by an Asian team outside the SC since India's 2003/04 tour of Australia.

But the recent 1-1 tour leaves too many questions unanswered to fairly say which was the superior team in the series especially considering the fact that England often loses at home.

If the 1-1 standing came in India or Australia that would be a fantastic achievement because India & Aus are almost unbeatable at home. But that's not the case for England.

oh the arrogance do you know how many test matches india have won in eng in last ten test?it is not

even a question india and aus are home track bulley and always perform better at home then away

 

[the_outsider]

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oh the arrogance do you know how many test matches india have won in eng in last ten test?it is not

even a question india and aus are home track bulley and always perform better at home then away

You may think it's arrogance since it buys into your narrative. But I mentioned India and Australia for a reason.

India have lost 2 series in the last 2 decades. Australia is second on that list. India have been not lost a home series since 2012.

That's why I said that a series draw in India or Australia is a bigger achievement for a touring team than it is in England.

This is not arrogance. These are facts. If you wish to, you can refute it with further data.

 

[saeed5646]

You may think it's arrogance since it buys into your narrative. But I mentioned India and Australia for a reason.

India have lost 2 series in the last 2 decades. Australia is second on that list. India have been not lost a home series since 2012.

That's why I said that a series draw in India or Australia is a bigger achievement for a touring team than it is in England.

This is not arrogance. These are facts. If you wish to, you can refute it with further data.

so why it is so hard to HTB team like Aus to win ashes( in england )and india to win a series more

frequently in eng rather than have terrible record in eng from last ten test they played in england

you guys are bitter because pakistan manages to draw to back to back 2 series in

england

 

[the_outsider]

India series win in England 2007
India series draw in SA 2010/11(against a strong SA side)
India series win in New Zealand 2008

You're right. India's 2011 tour to SA totally slipped my mind.

 

[the_outsider]

so why it is so hard to HTB team like Aus to win ashes( in england )and india to win a series more

frequently in eng rather than have terrible record in eng from last ten test they played in england

you guys are bitter because pakistan manages to draw to back to back 2 series in

england

This may surprise you but performance in England isn't the only yardstick of measuring how good a team is.

Anyway you are either deliberately ignoring my points or are simply cannot comprehend them so let's just leave it at that.

 

[saeed5646]

This may surprise you but performance in England isn't the only yardstick of measuring how good a team is.

Anyway you are either deliberately ignoring my points or are simply cannot comprehend them so let's just leave it at that.

weak home team are those who lose more frequently at home and you fail to put some data to show

how terrible they are at home .A top team like aus and india struggle in eng for some reason

 

[the_outsider]

weak home team are those who lose more frequently at home and you fail to put some data to show

I've given you all the data earlier to show how India and Australia are the strongest home teams in the last 20 years. You can check again.

I've also shown you how England have the poorest home record for any top team in the past few years.

how terrible they are at home .A top team like aus and india struggle in eng for some reason

Like I've told you. Your obsession with England is because it's the only tour where Pak does well.

There are a few others countries around, mate.
Pakistan has a poor record in Australia
Australia have a poor record in India
SA keep losing to Australia at home and Australia keep losing to SA at home. And so many other such patterns.

So please do get out of that little English bubble.

 

[saeed5646]

I've given you all the data earlier to show how India and Australia are the strongest home teams in the last 20 years. You can check again.

I've also shown you how England have the poorest home record for any top team in the past few years.




Like I've told you. Your obsession with England is because it's the only tour where Pak does well.

There are a few others countries around, mate.
Pakistan has a poor record in Australia
Australia have a poor record in India
SA keep losing to Australia at home and Australia keep losing to SA at home. And so many other such patterns.

So please do get out of that little English bubble.

i think i am using simple words i said england is very good at home where does that mean india,aus are not at home .where is the record you have shown me? why few years how about from last ten years england record at home compare to other?

the thread title is about england so obviously i will obsessed with the england rather the uganda or kenya

where did i say pakistan have better record or perform better in aus?your last two line don,t belong to topic we are discussing Do-Test-match-wins-in-England

 

[the_outsider]

i think i am using simple words i said england is very good at home where does that mean india,aus are not at home .where is the record you have shown me? why few years how about from last ten years england record at home compare to other?
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In the last 10 years England has lost the most test at home amongst India, Aus, SA, Eng, NZ and Pak.

In the same period India has lost the fewest matches at home. Australia the second fewest.

 

[saeed5646]

In the last 10 years England has lost the most test at home amongst India, Aus, SA, Eng, NZ and Pak.

In the same period India has lost the fewest matches at home. Australia the second fewest.

any link
or just upload your calculations

 

[the_outsider]

any link
or just upload your calculations

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...2008;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...anval1=span;team=7;template=results;type=team

From 2008-18 England has lost 17 matches at home - the most among India, Eng, Aus, SA, Pak & NZ.

In the last 10 years, India's home W/L ratio has been 7.20. Then there is daylight. Then in second place is Australia with a W/L ratio of 3.7. SA comes in 3rd at 2.66. Pakistan's ratio in this period is 2.1. They drew both tests they played in Pakistan in this period.

 

[saeed5646]

In the last 10 years England has lost the most test at home amongst India, Aus, SA, Eng, NZ and Pak.

In the same period India has lost the fewest matches at home. Australia the second fewest.

from last ten years at home england is first with most win but at 3rd according to win/loss ratio ,now that is pretty decent record

 

[saeed5646]

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...2008;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...anval1=span;team=7;template=results;type=team

From 2008-18 England has lost 17 matches at home - the most among India, Eng, Aus, SA, Pak & NZ.

In the last 10 years, India's home W/L ratio has been 7.20. Then there is daylight. Then in second place is Australia with a W/L ratio of 3.7. SA comes in 3rd at 2.66. Pakistan's ratio in this period is 2.1. They drew both tests they played in Pakistan in this period.

i have burst your bubble they lost 15 test matches because they have played 10 more test then aus and

india .they have also more test win at home then india and aus in last ten years

 

[the_outsider]

from last ten years at home england is first with most win but at 3rd according to win/loss ratio ,now that is pretty decent record

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hardly. They also have the most losses at home among all major teams. And England's W/L ratio of 2.6 compared to Aus's 4 and India's 8.75 shows exactly that.

Going by those numbers, nobody can claim that winning in India & Aus is the same as winning in Eng. Not even in the same league.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

England is not more dominant at home compared to India or Aust. Ask any expert and they will say the same. Eng have dropped tests against weaker teams like Pak, WI , SL etc. Ind or Aust would never do that. India even whitewashed SA (then no.1 team) at home...which Eng can never do.

 

[the_outsider]

i have burst your bubble they lost 15 test matches because they have played 10 more test then aus and

india .they have also more test win at home then india and aus in last ten years

You're not bursting any bubbles. I claimed that Eng have lost more tests at home than India, Aus, SA, NZ & Pak and that's exactly what you see.

You also can see India & Aus's W/L ratio to see how much more dominant they are at home - gross number of test aside. If you can convince anyone with those numbers that winning in Eng is comparable to winning in India, then please go ahead.

 

[saeed5646]

You're not bursting any bubbles. I claimed that Eng have lost more tests at home than India, Aus, SA, NZ & Pak and that's exactly what you see.

You also can see India & Aus's W/L ratio to see how much more dominant they are at home - gross number of test aside. If you can convince anyone with those numbers that winning in Eng is comparable to winning in India, then please go ahead.

but they also have most win in last ten years if you are that much desperate to argue something .they are very close to aus and if aus play the same number of test matches england have played they can slide below eng

 

[saeed5646]

hardly. They also have the most losses at home among all major teams. And England's W/L ratio of 2.6 compared to Aus's 4 and India's 8.75 shows exactly that.

Going by those numbers, nobody can claim that winning in India & Aus is the same as winning in Eng. Not even in the same league.

i have never said england is better home track bully than india and aus .they are 3rd most dominate team at home so it pakistan drawing to series is very good achievement and no body should question that

 

[saeed5646]

England is not more dominant at home compared to India or Aust. Ask any expert and they will say the same. Eng have dropped tests against weaker teams like Pak, WI , SL etc. Ind or Aust would never do that. India even whitewashed SA (then no.1 team) at home...which Eng can never do.

no body have said that but i have problem with the people who are discrediting eng at home which is pathetic and record show it self

 

[the_outsider]

i have never said england is better home track bully than india and aus .they are 3rd most dominate team at home so it pakistan drawing to series is very good achievement and no body should question that

Is England the 3rd most dominant at home? Yes. Is England dominant at home? No.

The gap between Eng's 2.6 and India's 8.75 is just too big to say Eng is dominant at home. And drawing 2-2 against Eng like Pak did in their second last tour was a fantastic performance.

But drawing 1-1 in 2 test series against this Eng team is not a big enough achievement to say that Pak outperformed Eng.

PS: If you take 2008-18 Eng's W/L falls further down and they come 4th on the list, barely above Pak.

 

[saeed5646]

Is England the 3rd most dominant at home? Yes. Is England dominant at home? No.

The gap between Eng's 2.6 and India's 8.75 is just too big to say Eng is dominant at home. And drawing 2-2 against Eng like Pak did in their second last tour was a fantastic performance.

But drawing 1-1 in 2 test series against this Eng team is not a big enough achievement to say that Pak outperformed Eng.

PS: If you take 2008-18 Eng's W/L falls further down and they come 4th on the list, barely above Pak.

I think you need to tell this to your self and your country mens on pp who are constantly mocking pakistan for losing to Sl in two match test series as according to you logic 2 match test series are not important if team wins or lose or draw right?

 

[the_outsider]

I think you need to tell this to your self and your country mens on pp who are constantly mocking pakistan for losing to Sl in two match test series as according to you logic 2 match test series are not important if team wins or lose or draw right?

Obviously not. I never said that. A series loss is a series loss. But a 1-1 draw in a 2 series match against Eng who are an average team at home means that's not enough to say Pak was the better team. That's all I said. That's all I have been saying for a long time.

I never said it doesn't mean anything. 1-1 in England is still a good achievement. But it's not indicative of the true strength of either team.

 

[ChuckLee]

Unlike India, England don’t doctor their pitches. I mean some of the indian players should become grounds man. England prepares fair and equal pitches with no influence from external entities such as the board, the players or media or commentary. So yes they do Count

 

[saeed5646]

Obviously not. I never said that. A series loss is a series loss. But a 1-1 draw in a 2 series match against Eng who are an average team at home means that's not enough to say Pak was the better team. That's all I said. That's all I have been saying for a long time.

I never said it doesn't mean anything. 1-1 in England is still a good achievement. But it's not indicative of the true strength of either team.

If average england beat your team in recent test series where will you put it to india overseas performance?

as every thing pakistan do is nothing either lose ,draw or win .

 

[GullyCricketFlop]

England is a tough place to tour for Asian sides but their test team is quite mediocre.

 

[aloo paratha]

I said last 5 home seasons man. They lost to Lanka in 2014.

In the last 5 home seasons, England have lost plenty of tests at home and lost atleast 1 test to every visiting team

That`s what you said, but they whitewashed Sri Lanka in 2016, so that makes your statement wrong. and even if we`re talking about 2014 for some reason, that`s still 5 seasons ago so it would technically still qualify.

 

[the_outsider]

If average england beat your team in recent test series where will you put it to india overseas performance?

as every thing pakistan do is nothing either lose ,draw or win .

I have no idea what any of that means. You clearly don't seem to understand what I'm saying either. So let's just agree to disagree.

 

[the_outsider]

Unlike India, England don’t doctor their pitches. I mean some of the indian players should become grounds man. England prepares fair and equal pitches with no influence from external entities such as the board, the players or media or commentary. So yes they do Count

The only series where pitches were doctored were SA series in 2015. And SA openly say that they also doctored pitches on the return tour in 2018 - which is completely fair so that evens it out.

Other than that Indian pitches have been good pitches - except Pune 2017 vs Australia, which India lost anyway.

When England toured India in 2016, 4 out of 5 test matches went into day 5 and every match went to day 4.

England scored 400+ twice and 250+ five times in 10 innings.

Pitches on that tour was as good for batting as it gets in the SC without being a road.

Compared to that, in England so far the 1st test ended in 3 days, Lord's ended in 2 days and Trent Bridge ended in 4 days.

So which pitches have been doctored? Indian ones or English ones?

 

[saeed5646]

I have no idea what any of that means. You clearly don't seem to understand what I'm saying either. So let's just agree to disagree.

you have failed to convince me and i agree with you their is no point of talking with person who is wearing tinted blue glasses and cannot be neutral so yeah lets just agree to disagree

 

[the_outsider]

you have failed to convince me and i agree with you their is no point of talking with person who is wearing tinted blue glasses and cannot be neutral so yeah lets just agree to disagree

No man, it's not about bias. The discussion wasn't even about India.

I already told you that Pak's 2-2 in Eng was a top class performance. One of the best by an Asian team in recent times.

And even the 1-1 is a good performance. All I said is that 2 test match series is not enough to determine which team played better when the result is 1-1.

My criticism was more about 2 test match series system than any particular team. I would have said the same if it was AUS, India or any other team.

Anyway, it's all cool. Cheers.

 

[hadi123]

Of course they count! Test matches can't be fluked, you have to be the better team over a long period. It's not really about comparing with how they do in different countries, I don't believe that argument that team X beat team Y who beat Team Z but team Z beat team X so are better than team Y.

 

[saeed5646]

bump.

LOL the thread would have make sense have india beat england in recent test series

 

[saeed5646]

No man, it's not about bias. The discussion wasn't even about India.

I already told you that Pak's 2-2 in Eng was a top class performance. One of the best by an Asian team in recent times.

And even the 1-1 is a good performance. All I said is that 2 test match series is not enough to determine which team played better when the result is 1-1.

My criticism was more about 2 test match series system than any particular team. I would have said the same if it was AUS, India or any other team.

Anyway, it's all cool. Cheers.

Lol "donkey years"?

That was less than a year ago, pal.

SL humiliated you guys by whitewashing you at home in October 2017.

The same SL that hasn't won a single test match in India ever, forget about series

the irony is when you use pakistan 2 match test series against SL every where and don,t count pakistan

series draw 1-1 against eng recently