Do we have reason to be optimistic about our team's future?

[zain7077]

I know that all seems doom and gloom with regards to Pakistan Cricket at the moment apart from Babar, a few glimpses of magic from Shaheen Afridi, and the neat and gritty work of Muhammad Rizwan.

However, today I went into deep thoughts about the future of this team just like I did after the Manchester test and I thought to myself that this team and Pakistan Cricket in general has given me great amounts of joy but also pain beyond measure. I started supporting Pakistan during the 2009 T20WC when I was 9 years old. The Manchester defeat was one of the toughest to swallow along with the Sydney test, Edgbaston 2016, Hamilton and boxing day 2016. For a minute or two I even questioned myself on whether the pain that comes with supporting this team is worth it. Then I immediately thought to myself that a life without the highs and lows Pakistan Cricket provides would be quite dull. At the end of the day we must admit that supporting them is a major part of our identity and who we are, in fact at times it can seem like an addiction. Especially after numerous heartbreaking defeats, looking forward to the next game and being just as excited does seem to validate that point.

We should not change supporting our team for anything and we can be critical of selection and mindsets but once the 11 is on the field we support them wholeheartedly. Anyway, enough of the emotional waffling. Onto the topic I believe that hopefully once Misbah is gone our batting line up looks similar to this

1) Zeeshan Malik
2) Haider Ali
3) Babar Azam (C)
4) Abdullah Shafique
5) Saud Shakeel
6) Muhammad Harris (WK)


7) Shadab Khan
8) Zafar Gohar
9) Muhammad Hasnain or any other promising Pacer
10)Shaheen Afridi
11) Naseem Shah

12) Saif Badar
13) Usama Mir
14) Ali Imran
15 ) Akif Javed
16) Rohail Nazir

I genuinely believe there are so many reasons to be optimistic with this team. Just look at the top 6. I for one feel very hopeful but I'd like to mention that at one stage I felt the same about a potential line up of

Nasir
Shahzad
Babar
Haris
Umar
Maqsood
Sarfraz
Amir
Raza Hassan
Junaid
Irfan

The scars from the past have made me feel that maybe [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] has been correct all this time and that TTF's being discarded means the induction of new to be TTF's and that Pakistan Cricket is dead and we are all delusional.

I am quietly optimistic and would like to hear the opinions of the rest of PP.

An eternal supporter of the Pakistan Cricket Team.

Pakistan Zindabad

 

[zain7077]

I forgot to mention Muhammad Hurraira.

 

[topspin]

Not until Misbah is replaced by a competent coach.

 

[zain7077]

young support players are also ready in the form of Imam Ul Haq and Sami Aslam however Misbah is adamant to stick with has beens and as [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] would say , "geriatrics".

Please share your thoughts. [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=70365]Ahson8[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] @bulletdrive @squaredrive [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION]

 

[topspin]

young support players are also ready in the form of Imam Ul Haq and Sami Aslam however Misbah is adamant to stick with has beens and as [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] would say , "geriatrics".

Please share your thoughts. [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=70365]Ahson8[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] @bulletdrive @squaredrive [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION]

You've proposed a far superior team to the one Misbah continues to opt for which epitomises Misbah's incompetence as Head Coach and Chief Selector.

 

[Shazzam]

I am afraid the damage we will receive in these three years will take a while to heal. Keep in mind there is alwaya a chance Misbah could be the PCB chairman one day.

 

[MMHS]

young support players are also ready in the form of Imam Ul Haq and Sami Aslam however Misbah is adamant to stick with has beens and as [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] would say , "geriatrics".

Please share your thoughts. [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] [MENTION=70365]Ahson8[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] @bulletdrive @squaredrive [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION]

I'll hold my horse here - because this is my 10th year in PP and you can safely add another 5 as a lurker + another 20 years in PAK cricket. It's easy to bash Coach/selector ....... but, I read (didn't watch) Haider was dropped twice in his 54.

Players are developed through system, which I believe is improving from last few years - my hope lies there, not in the talent of youngsters to be honest. Fingers crossed, I'll hope PAK youngsters will contribute more to beat English reserves to keep Hafeezs and Wahabs at bay.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

I'll hold my horse here - because this is my 10th year in PP and you can safely add another 5 as a lurker + another 20 years in PAK cricket. It's easy to bash Coach/selector ....... but, I read (didn't watch) Haider was dropped twice in his 54.

Players are developed through system, which I believe is improving from last few years - my hope lies there, not in the talent of youngsters to be honest. Fingers crossed, I'll hope PAK youngsters will contribute more to beat English reserves to keep Hafeezs and Wahabs at bay.

I don't know who said he was dropped twice. There was one chance, when Haider was on 40 or so, when he hit it just over the fielder's head, other than that it was chance less.

Let's hope you are right, maybe the system is improving. Hopefully Wasim khans plans work out.

But for now, I have no hope or expectations of Pakistan cricket. I expect every match to be a loss, and a win is a nice surprise.

 

[zain7077]

I'll hold my horse here - because this is my 10th year in PP and you can safely add another 5 as a lurker + another 20 years in PAK cricket. It's easy to bash Coach/selector ....... but, I read (didn't watch) Haider was dropped twice in his 54.

Players are developed through system, which I believe is improving from last few years - my hope lies there, not in the talent of youngsters to be honest. Fingers crossed, I'll hope PAK youngsters will contribute more to beat English reserves to keep Hafeezs and Wahabs at bay.

He certainly was not dropped twice. In fact not even once. Was just one misjudgement By Billings which is in the highlights package. Anyway Haider has done well wherever he has played so far, be it first class, list a, U-19, PSL etc

 

[Thunderbolt14]

I'll hold my horse here - because this is my 10th year in PP and you can safely add another 5 as a lurker + another 20 years in PAK cricket. It's easy to bash Coach/selector ....... but, I read (didn't watch) Haider was dropped twice in his 54.

Players are developed through system, which I believe is improving from last few years - my hope lies there, not in the talent of youngsters to be honest. Fingers crossed, I'll hope PAK youngsters will contribute more to beat English reserves to keep Hafeezs and Wahabs at bay.

Encourage you to watch. He played some good shots and will be well worth the 2 minute highlights.

Haider wasn’t dropped even once - he hit a boundary over a fielder’s head, he knew the fielder was inside the long boundary and targeted it accordingly. The fielder obviously tried to run to get a hand on the ball but couldn’t - rob key i believe was the commentator and said something along the lines of “oh he made a complete misjudgment... gets lucky here” incorrectly thinking that the fielder was already there. He then corrected himself and said the fielder Billings was 30 yards in coming into the circle and it was too late to backtrack.

As you can imagine though, PP posters have latched onto this to bring down Haider’s innings.

Even the delivery he got out to was a beautiful reverse swinging yorker at 87mph that not many could have avoided especially in a T20 game and that too on debut - it was a good innings overall. Do watch it. Showed some sense and strike rotation too with singles right after a boundary - sensible batting.

 

[zain7077]

Encourage you to watch. He played some good shots and will be well worth the 2 minute highlights.

Haider wasn’t dropped even once - he hit a boundary over a fielder’s head, he knew the fielder was inside the long boundary and targeted it accordingly. The fielder obviously tried to run to get a hand on the ball but couldn’t - rob key i believe was the commentator and said something along the lines of “oh he made a complete misjudgment... gets lucky here” incorrectly thinking that the fielder was already there. He then corrected himself and said the fielder Billings was 30 yards in coming into the circle and it was too late to backtrack.

As you can imagine though, PP posters have latched onto this to bring down Haider’s innings.

Even the delivery he got out to was a beautiful reverse swinging yorker at 87mph that not many could have avoided especially in a T20 game and that too on debut - it was a good innings overall. Do watch it. Showed some sense and strike rotation too with singles right after a boundary - sensible batting.

What are your thoughts on the batting line up and the general consensus in the OP

 

[aloo paratha]

Yes. With the new domestic system talent will be developed better. The old domestic structure is what held us back the most.

We also have some great prospects. Babar will reach his peak in a few years, Haider Ali is a great prospect, Shaheen is already a good bowler and will only get better. Naseem Shah also has the potential to be very good. There are many batting and bowling talents that will hopefully develop under the new domestic structure.

 

[shamaan]

I forgot to mention Muhammad Hurraira.

Defo deserves to be in that list was going to comment about him lol

 

[Varun]

Of course.

"Pakistan main bohut talent hai"

 

[shamaan]

I know that all seems doom and gloom with regards to Pakistan Cricket at the moment apart from Babar, a few glimpses of magic from Shaheen Afridi, and the neat and gritty work of Muhammad Rizwan.

However, today I went into deep thoughts about the future of this team just like I did after the Manchester test and I thought to myself that this team and Pakistan Cricket in general has given me great amounts of joy but also pain beyond measure. I started supporting Pakistan during the 2009 T20WC when I was 9 years old. The Manchester defeat was one of the toughest to swallow along with the Sydney test, Edgbaston 2016, Hamilton and boxing day 2016. For a minute or two I even questioned myself on whether the pain that comes with supporting this team is worth it. Then I immediately thought to myself that a life without the highs and lows Pakistan Cricket provides would be quite dull. At the end of the day we must admit that supporting them is a major part of our identity and who we are, in fact at times it can seem like an addiction. Especially after numerous heartbreaking defeats, looking forward to the next game and being just as excited does seem to validate that point.

We should not change supporting our team for anything and we can be critical of selection and mindsets but once the 11 is on the field we support them wholeheartedly. Anyway, enough of the emotional waffling. Onto the topic I believe that hopefully once Misbah is gone our batting line up looks similar to this

1) Zeeshan Malik
2) Haider Ali
3) Babar Azam (C)
4) Abdullah Shafique
5) Saud Shakeel
6) Muhammad Harris (WK)


7) Shadab Khan
8) Zafar Gohar
9) Muhammad Hasnain or any other promising Pacer
10)Shaheen Afridi
11) Naseem Shah

12) Saif Badar
13) Usama Mir
14) Ali Imran
15 ) Akif Javed
16) Rohail Nazir

I genuinely believe there are so many reasons to be optimistic with this team. Just look at the top 6. I for one feel very hopeful but I'd like to mention that at one stage I felt the same about a potential line up of

Nasir
Shahzad
Babar
Haris
Umar
Maqsood
Sarfraz
Amir
Raza Hassan
Junaid
Irfan

The scars from the past have made me feel that maybe [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] has been correct all this time and that TTF's being discarded means the induction of new to be TTF's and that Pakistan Cricket is dead and we are all delusional.

I am quietly optimistic and would like to hear the opinions of the rest of PP.

An eternal supporter of the Pakistan Cricket Team.

Pakistan Zindabad

The 6 u mentioned are good prospects but some that you havent included are

Imran butt,omair bin Yusuf

 

[MMHS]

Regarding Haider - definitely one for the future. But still, T20 is the last place to judge batsmen. He has a FC hundred I believe - that’s the key.

Also, it’s utmost important that PCB hires a qualified professional batting coach for NCA - YK is good for National team with his pep talks & encouragements, where he’ll work with experienced players (after 2-4 years of FC cricket batsmen don’t learn fundamentals, it’s basically adjustments, adaptation & situational analysis), but for U23 players at the HP centre a pro is required who will help players on technical side. Batting is a process oriented systematic education - one has to learn the proper basics to build on.

 

[zain7077]

The 6 u mentioned are good prospects but some that you havent included are

Imran butt,omair bin Yusuf

I keep missing names, just goes to show how many quality young batsmen there are, yet we are stuck with ifti, asad , azhar , malik etc

 

[Markhor]

The new domestic structure needs time. For the first time in decades, we finally have the best Pakistani cricketers competing against each other. Unfit uncles like Saad Altaf are being filtered out. If they improve the wickets too, that'll be a massive step forward.

Coaching remains a problem. Except Mohammad Wasim and a few others, many Pakistani ex-players turned coaches have limited technical expertise, limited understanding of data/analytics, don't bother with opposition planning, and cannot read the game as Misbah and Waqar are demonstrating currently.

The coaches need to be as rigorously trained as the players. Otherwise all these youngsters you mention will too get lost in the system once international opponents do their homework.

 

[Khan12]

Excellent names mentioned in the OP. Saud should have already played for us. But garbage Asad Shafiq is blocking him. Hopefully the likes of Abdullah Shafique, Zeeshan Malik score well again as well as Mohammed Haris and Mohammed Huraira getting chances this year and making them count.

I hope Haider gets to debut in ODI's against Zimbabwe as well as playing the QEA this season. Looking forward for Zeeshan to make it this year hopefully. He's a dynamic Opener who strikes the ball well.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

What are your thoughts on the batting line up and the general consensus in the OP

I’ve been struggling with the same questions. Truth is, Pakistan cricket has a long way to go. I find solace in the younger generation - it is always exciting to see raw talent, no matter how they develop. And so, I am optimistic about cricket not for the team to win but for Babar to become our Sachin, for Shaheen and Naseem to bowl beautifully, and for the likes of Haider Ali, Saud Shakeel, and Abdullah Shafique to prove their mettle and one day get selected. Haider has already debuted and it brought me considerable joy.

Your lineup for what the batting order should look like after Misbah is gone is a little too optimistic. It’s always important to temper our expectations. They definitely won’t be inducting 3-4 20 year olds all at once into the team, nor should they. In addition to Haider, they will likely only back 1 more youngster in each of the formats for the next year or so.

I expect them to back Haider and Khushdil both, if PCB applies the right pressure, followed by one standout performer from this season of QeA and Pakistan Cup who will be called up to the bench (let’s say Saud Shakeel). Another 2-3 standout performers will be given the Pakistan Shaheens cap and developed there.

If Pakistan can continue like this at the rate of 1-2 youngsters per year, we will hopefully develop them well and also have a team to be optimistic about in 2023.

In fact, the future of Pakistan cricket doesn’t depend on Misbah, it depends entirely on Wasim Khan and Ehsan Mani. They are grilling Misbah this week, the outcome of these discussions will either be:
A. Misbah changes his attitude towards youngsters.
B. Misbah is replaced as Selector, Coach, or both. New person is brought in to back youngsters.
C. No change. Wasim Khan and Ehsan Mani don’t realize Misbah’s incompetence (unlikely).

I have a feeling it will be between A and B — if it is true, there is reason to be optimistic. Here’s hoping.

 

[Mamoon]

No, there is no reason to be optimistic.

Pakistani fans need to accept the bitter truth - we are in the same class as teams like West Indies, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.

The problem is that our fans are extremely delusional. There is a huge disconnect between what the fans expect from the team and what the team is actually capable of.

They overhype mediocre players and then act surprised when these mediocre players don’t perform as per expectations.

If the likes of Hafeez and Malik were youngsters today, our fans would be doing bhangra over them as well.

 

[zain7077]

No, there is no reason to be optimistic.

Pakistani fans need to accept the bitter truth - we are in the same class as teams like West Indies, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.

The problem is that our fans are extremely delusional. There is a huge disconnect between what the fans expect from the team and what the team is actually capable of.

They overhype mediocre players and then act surprised when these mediocre players don’t perform as per expectations.

If the likes of Hafeez and Malik were youngsters today, our fans would be doing bhangra over them as well.

Do you believe that Saud, Babar, Abdullah, Shaheen and Haider are mediocre players?

 

[Khan12]

Regarding Haider - definitely one for the future. But still, T20 is the last place to judge batsmen. He has a FC hundred I believe - that’s the key.

Also, it’s utmost important that PCB hires a qualified professional batting coach for NCA - YK is good for National team with his pep talks & encouragements, where he’ll work with experienced players (after 2-4 years of FC cricket batsmen don’t learn fundamentals, it’s basically adjustments, adaptation & situational analysis), but for U23 players at the HP centre a pro is required who will help players on technical side. Batting is a process oriented systematic education - one has to learn the proper basics to build on.

Yeah Haider has 2 FC centuries to his name. Hopefully, we play him in ODI's against Zimbabwe. Haider is a work in progress but definitely one for the future provided he works hard as well as having good coaching staff around him which he doesn't have at the moment.

 

[Khan12]

Do you believe that Saud, Babar, Abdullah, Shaheen and Haider are mediocre players?

He rates Babar, Shaheen and Haider. But, I don't think he seen Saud and Abdullah Shafique bat.

 

[sweep_shot]

Pakistan cricket needs a new inspiring figure like Imran Khan. The brilliant team Pakistan had in 90's was due to Imran. He changed the mindset of the team and instilled a cornered tiger approach. Also, he helped groom out likes of Wasim, Inzamam etc.

Good leadership is missing currently.

 

[Mamoon]

Do you believe that Saud, Babar, Abdullah, Shaheen and Haider are mediocre players?

Pakistan has only 2 genuine quality players: Babar and Shaheen. Perhaps you could add Haider to that list as well, but it is obviously too early because he is only 1 game old.

But having 2-3 quality players isn’t that big of a deal. When you are at the level of teams like West Indies, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, you will obviously have a couple of really good players.

But the problem for Pakistan and teams at our level is that more than half of our players are mediocre and even our best players are not better than their counterparts.

So even the likes of Babar and Shaheen are not superior than their counterparts in the big teams. They are just far ahead of what we have in the country.

 

[Buffet]

Yes

Reason is that you are fans.

 

[shamaan]

Regarding Haider - definitely one for the future. But still, T20 is the last place to judge batsmen. He has a FC hundred I believe - that’s the key.

Also, it’s utmost important that PCB hires a qualified professional batting coach for NCA - YK is good for National team with his pep talks & encouragements, where he’ll work with experienced players (after 2-4 years of FC cricket batsmen don’t learn fundamentals, it’s basically adjustments, adaptation & situational analysis), but for U23 players at the HP centre a pro is required who will help players on technical side. Batting is a process oriented systematic education - one has to learn the proper basics to build on.

I think mohammed Yousuf is batting coach in the high performance centre

 

[shamaan]

I keep missing names, just goes to show how many quality young batsmen there are, yet we are stuck with ifti, asad , azhar , malik etc

Agreed

 

[Rana]

Babar and Haider should be playing together for the next 10-15 years

Better than nothing I suppose

 

[Rana]

The good thing is that Pakistan have started producing crap bowlers who bowl 90mph once again.

Surely we are very close to seeing a new speed demon

 

[watson367]

Future is bleak with Misbah and Co around.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Most of the players OP has listed are just OK. Not elite.

More importantly, the team is led by mediocre captains and a poor coach so whoever Pakistan has, will punch below his weight - and so will the team.

 

[TeamPak95]

For me, I'm reasonably optimistic. Mainly because there are actually players in the domestic scene who can be tried out, and deserve to as well based on their pure performances. The problem is that whether they're actually being looked at and are actually being picked to be part of the squad(s). And even if they're in the squad(s), there's the whole mission with them actually getting games. The onus, as usual, is on Misbah and I'm happy that the PCB higher-ups are breathing down on his neck and pressuring him to make better selections for games.

 

[Kroll]

If Misbah is still around then no, because he's hell-bent on producing a stale, stagnant and stinking brand that has no place in modern cricket.

Another poster mentioned just to switch off for a while at least until after the T20 WC(s) which I don't think is bad idea as we're just going to have misery imposed on our lives.

 

[Majid Khan]

I’m optimistic about Pakistan cricket , but then I’m just as optimistic about hockey and squash in Pakistan. And also the soccer team, I’m optimistic that one day they will be able to compete with the European and South American teams — and hopefully Pakistan cricket team some day will be able to compete against Australia and South Africa in test cricket too.

 

[azimiqbal]

Look the problem with Pakistan cricket is always been the following;

1) liking and disliking , some players picked due to there connection and some deserving players being ignored ( this is not at just international level happens at domestic level as well, ie saud shakeel)


2) weak domestic structure - this includes pictches and competition. I understand the pcb have changed domestic structure and that should help competition but the quality of the pitches needs to improve so there is something there for the bowlers and pace and bounce in the wicket wound encourage Stroke play and would test batsman’s techniques. Would these improvements hopefully we can bridge the massive gap between domestic and international cricket.

3) development of talent (batting ) we have seen thru Pakistan history , were a player debuts with a bang but then slowly but surely disappears ( yasir hammed , Umer Akmal etc)

4) in the 80/90’s Pakistan cricket become strong due to the massive amount of school and club cricket being played, these days there is hardly any of either being played. How are players meant to improve if they do not play games ?

Pakistan problem has never been talent, if we can improve the above we have reasons to be hopeful......


If I had to pick one out the four, even if we just picked players on merit it would make a massive difference ....

 

[hitthestump]

I was having a discussion with an older gentleman today who strongly feels that without Imran we would never have come close to seeing the full potential of guys like Wasim, Waqar, Inzamam etc.

Pakistan cricket needs a strong and exceptionally smart authoritarian leader at the helm. It is a vital ingredient to success in a nation where historically people always argue within, relax in comfort zones or rely on connections to get into a team.

We haven't had that since Imran and until we get that again i don't think i can ever be positive about our nation consistently winning at the highest level against the best teams.

 

[Titan24]

If we talk about the criteria heavily talked about than half of the cricket fans in the world should be pessimistic as I am not really seeing WI, Srl, BD, Afg and Ireland setting the world on fire either.

There is pretty decent talent available in Pakistan, how that turns and is handled out will define whether we become one of the top teams or remain struggling around mid table or so.

 

[shamaan]

Most of the players OP has listed are just OK. Not elite.

More importantly, the team is led by mediocre captains and a poor coach so whoever Pakistan has, will punch below his weight - and so will the team.

What makes you say thier ok and not average or elite ?

 

[shamaan]

Look the problem with Pakistan cricket is always been the following;

1) liking and disliking , some players picked due to there connection and some deserving players being ignored ( this is not at just international level happens at domestic level as well, ie saud shakeel)


2) weak domestic structure - this includes pictches and competition. I understand the pcb have changed domestic structure and that should help competition but the quality of the pitches needs to improve so there is something there for the bowlers and pace and bounce in the wicket wound encourage Stroke play and would test batsman’s techniques. Would these improvements hopefully we can bridge the massive gap between domestic and international cricket.

3) development of talent (batting ) we have seen thru Pakistan history , were a player debuts with a bang but then slowly but surely disappears ( yasir hammed , Umer Akmal etc)

4) in the 80/90’s Pakistan cricket become strong due to the massive amount of school and club cricket being played, these days there is hardly any of either being played. How are players meant to improve if they do not play games ?

Pakistan problem has never been talent, if we can improve the above we have reasons to be hopeful......


If I had to pick one out the four, even if we just picked players on merit it would make a massive difference ....

Hopefully the new structure In having 6 teams should get rid of atleast half the mediocre players or they should faze out themselves when they get fount wanting

 

[azimiqbal]

Hopefully the new structure In having 6 teams should get rid of atleast half the mediocre players or they should faze out themselves when they get fount wanting

Only works if liking and disliking does not take place

 

[naseem]

Hope the new upcoming players are not ruined by lack of work culture and star culture......hope there is no new Akmal

 

[moghul]

Only if Misbah is shown the door.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

What makes you say thier ok and not average or elite ?

Pakistan has tried most of them, and those not tried, they are no head and shoulders above their peers in whatever tournaments they have played so far. Anyone you think is setting the world on fire?

 

[Energy]

You'll always have an exciting U-19 batch so there's reasons to be excited after every 2 years.

The question is that there is less than 10% chance for any cricketer to succeed in modern day on the basis of raw talent only.

 

[shamaan]

Pakistan has tried most of them, and those not tried, they are no head and shoulders above their peers in whatever tournaments they have played so far. Anyone you think is setting the world on fire?

Babar has set the world on fire he is elite
Pakistan hasnt tried Abdullah shafique,(haider ali),zeeshan malik,mohammed Harris,omair bin yousuf,akif javed,rohail nazir ect

No player will set the world on fire until they have played a few games of international


Can you name some players from a country who has set the world on fire with thier batting bowling ect

 

[Hasan]

Great talent just keeps on coming and all we need is to rekindle the cornered tiger sprite.

Also need to back the talent once identified. Give players time to prove themselves and need to ensure stability of captaincy and management team.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Never lose hope. Pakistan has a lot of talent.

On the other hand, refrain from overhyping players, especially too early. I still remember when Shoaib Maqsood made his debut and the entire PP erupted. Or when Nasir Jamshed hit those centuries. Other examples are Umar Akmal, Shehzad, Anwar Ali, Mohammad Talha, etc. When they initially failed the management and coaches were blamed. And later these players were labeled as tried and tested failures, failed seniors and what not. Talent needs to be supported by patience.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Babar has set the world on fire he is elite
Pakistan hasnt tried Abdullah shafique,(haider ali),zeeshan malik,mohammed Harris,omair bin yousuf,akif javed,rohail nazir ect

No player will set the world on fire until they have played a few games of international


Can you name some players from a country who has set the world on fire with thier batting bowling ect

That's exactly my point. Babar was ahead of his peers from the very beginning and highly regarded.
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...zam-ready-for-his-International-Cricket-debut

Shaheen Shah and Haider Ali too.

Of the other players you mentioned, which one's will you say have stats/performances that are day in and day out better than peers?

More to the my point earlier: even if a couple more come through the system and are very good, the team is likely to punch below its weight because of the terrible coaching/selection staff imposed on them.

 

[shamaan]

That's exactly my point. Babar was ahead of his peers from the very beginning and highly regarded.
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...zam-ready-for-his-International-Cricket-debut

Shaheen Shah and Haider Ali too.

Of the other players you mentioned, which one's will you say have stats/performances that are day in and day out better than peers?

More to the my point earlier: even if a couple more come through the system and are very good, the team is likely to punch below its weight because of the terrible coaching/selection staff imposed on them.

Haider ali stats are higher in first class than babar.
Shaheen afridi in the world cup averaged 14 cut above all the rest in bowling.

Imran butt averaged 60 in qaid e azam
Zeeshan malik averaged 60 like I said in the previews post you cant say day in day out becouse they havent played that many games

In the qaid e azam this was gone babae azam on in the list of top 20 I belive


Haide ali is regarded highly so is abdullah shaifque

Some of the names I mentioned are based around talent skill obvs not all are ganna succeed but a few will

 

[shamaan]

That's exactly my point. Babar was ahead of his peers from the very beginning and highly regarded.
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...zam-ready-for-his-International-Cricket-debut

Shaheen Shah and Haider Ali too.

Of the other players you mentioned, which one's will you say have stats/performances that are day in and day out better than peers?

More to the my point earlier: even if a couple more come through the system and are very good, the team is likely to punch below its weight because of the terrible coaching/selection staff imposed on them.

Also pakistan hasnt tried most of them only a few