Does anyone genuinely believe that team selection is the problem here?

[Slog]

Would we start winning or would results change if we play the best possible team we could select. (which obv is different for everyone and for some the best team might as well be actually on the field today)

 

[Pete Rose]

Yes and no. For instance, I see no logic why Hafeez or akmal are there

 

[Rinnegan Sasuke]

Even if it were, it wouldn't effect our standing as a team. Unfortunately.

 

[Hamza_]

We could have chased this score.

 

[Slog]

Even if it were, it wouldn't effect our standing as a team. Unfortunately.

thats the main point.

 

[IAJ]

I am just looking at the scorecard. 6 batsmen got starts but failed to continue. This is simply not good enough. Lack of concentration seems to be the issue here.

And what is Hafeez doing in the team?

 

[kingusama92]

Failure usually has multiple reasons.

Selection is one of them.

1) Domestic performers aren't picked (i.e. meritocracy)
2) "Horses for Courses" ideology is wholeheartedly ignored
3) TTFs are brought back without reason

Then you move towards poor development which adds onto the poor selection policies.

1) Players come into the side unrefined (even 30-year-olds)
2) Players refuse to improve on their weaknesses (i.e. Akmal's blind slogs/Hafeez's wafts outside off)

The PCB doesn't help matters as it continues to make ridiculous statements in the media adding pressure onto their players.

1) "Azhar Ali wasn't our first choice" (Ijaz Butt)
2) "Players are too defensive" (Inzi)
3) Announcing ODI squad in the middle of a test series

It's a laughable set of reasons all coming together into one big mess. You could write a 500 page book on it.

 

[Belawal2014]

We would compete better but the truth is, we're just 10 years behind the rest of the countries...

 

[Asim2Good]

Grass is always green on other side. All players who are not part of squad always been great for Pak fans. There are people who are still backing Shehzad n Kani to be part of team.

Our player don't develop their game with time. We don't learn from mistakes.

Its time we get rid of Hafeez, Malik, umar Akmal from team and give chance to new players
And find fast bowling all rounder as well instead of giving spin bowling all rounder chance

 

[Zeshan547]

1_Sharjeel (Attacking Left hand opener)
2_Umar (Attacking right hand opener)
3_Babar(VC) (Both Anchor and Aggressor right hander)
4_Haris (same as babar but left hander)
5_Sarfraz(WK and C) (solid keeper batsman who can milk spin in middle overs and right hander)
6_Yamin (Right hand solid Batting Allrounder plus medium Pace bowler)
7_Imad (Left hander and attacking spin all rounder)
8_ ? ( Hard hitting pace Bowling Allrounder)
9_Amir (Good left arm fast who can stick around with bat and can also smash few quick runs)
10_Usama Mir(Solid Leggie for LOIs who can actually spin the ball and no mug with bat)
11_Hassan Ali(Solid right arm fast medium and also have some potential with bat)
We have the players but need a selection committe who have working brain cells and management who can play these players in correct batting order to get maximum out of these players, and i can guarantee this team can atleast be a top 4 team in world, what you guys think? And which player can be that hard hitting allrounder at eight?

 

[Asim2Good]

There you go, now ppl asking for Umar to open
Its Afridi's career all over again.

Why not give chance to somone like Fakhat Zaman for change?

 

[Jabo]

Shafiq
Rizwan
Hafeez
Nawaz

all shouldn't have been in the squad

I've been saying for years that Riaz is useless in this format, he performs once in a blue moon.

That being said, we let Australia take over the second they went past 200, from the start we had, we should have bowled them out a lot earlier.
Credit to Wade though.

Said it before about Sharjeel too, the guy just goes brain dead and throws his wicket away.
NOT SURE HOW he got selected for the test format.

 

[coy0607]

Azhar, Hafeez, Akmal, Nawaz, Wahab have no business in the ODI team
Their is clear bias in their selection. That half the team!

Not saying Pakistan would no 1 with merit based selection, but they wouldn't be an embarrassment to the country

 

[Slog]

There you go, now ppl asking for Umar to open
Its Afridi's career all over again.

Why not give chance to somone like Fakhat Zaman for change?

never made sense this logic. To me atleast

"Yes I acknowledge Umar Akmal has done poorly and massively underachieved. But that is why he should be rewarded with a promotion up the order rather than be booted out."

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

never made sense this logic. To me atleast

"Yes I acknowledge Umar Akmal has done poorly and massively underachieved. But that is why he should be rewarded with a promotion up the order rather than be booted out."

It doesn't work like that.

Opening in todays times is one of the more easier positions to bat.

Fielding restrictions, lesser pressure, lesser chances to choke.

People asked to try out Umar at opening for a long time now.

Opening is not a promotion. Its simply a tactic to maximize the run output of a player.

Maybe it won't work with Umar but the logic is sound.

 

[Sarfarazian92]

We don't have the players to challenge teams like Aus, and England. They are stacked with hitters from top to bottom and we don't have a single hitter in our entire lineup.

This is a batting era and we don't have the batsmen to win matches. Selection, coaching, or captaincy isn't the problem.

 

[Slog]

It doesn't work like that.

Opening in todays times is one of the more easier positions to bat.

Fielding restrictions, lesser pressure, lesser chances to choke.

People asked to try out Umar at opening for a long time now.

Opening is not a promotion. Its simply a tactic to maximize the run output of a player.

Maybe it won't work with Umar but the logic is sound.

his batsmanship isnt suggesting he will be doing well there

its not like he finds the gaps well or plays through the infield or lofts it up.

One thing he is relatively decent at (and why he has a good SR) is rotating the strike which will cut this also.

 

[Asim2Good]

It doesn't work like that.

Opening in todays times is one of the more easier positions to bat.

Fielding restrictions, lesser pressure, lesser chances to choke.

People asked to try out Umar at opening for a long time now.

Opening is not a promotion. Its simply a tactic to maximize the run output of a player.

Maybe it won't work with Umar but the logic is sound.

Thats what they used to say Afridi too
Given chance to open, he fails. Then they go we know he can not play swinging deliveries why let him open.
The. He used to b bowling all rounder when failed with bat.

Indians should remember their own all rounder Ajit agarker in that regard.

Insted of wasting 1-2 more years with Umar at top, we should give chance to new comers for opening.

 

[Statsman]

Shocking how Ahmad Shahzad and Nasir Jamshed have been ignored. Junaid Khan can easily destruct a batting line up in few overs (2012 anyone???). A proven senior like Saeed Ajmal who should have been leading this side has been sidelined. Then you ask why Pakistan lost.

Pakistan is the only place where world class talents like Taufeeq Umaṛ, Yasir Hameed, W Wasti and Imran Nazir were wasted by dropping them unfairly. This is not only me saying. These are statements from Shoaib Akhtar, Mohammad Wasim and Rashid Lateef.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

his batsmanship isnt suggesting he will be doing well there

its not like he finds the gaps well or plays through the infield or lofts it up.

One thing he is relatively decent at (and why he has a good SR) is rotating the strike which will cut this also.

What's the harm in trying? As if he wins Pakistan any games with the middle order.

Rohit Sharma wouldn't have had a career if he hadn't gone to open. Now Rohit is NOT like Umar. So not comparing them but just saying unless you test, you won't know.

Thats what they used to say Afridi too
Given chance to open, he fails. Then they go we know he can not play swinging deliveries why let him open.
The. He used to b bowling all rounder when failed with bat.

Indians should remember their own all rounder Ajit agarker in that regard.

Insted of wasting 1-2 more years with Umar at top, we should give chance to new comers for opening.

What matters is the concept.

Explosive bats have to open.

Try Umar. If he flops, get someone else.

If you don't want Umar, try someone else.

Btw, Afridi did open for Pakistan at a point of time and did very well.

 

[Markhor]

One only has to look at the recent domestic one day tournaments to see how far behind the rest of the world we are in 50 over cricket.

Poor rotation of strike, lack of explosive hitters, teams failing to chase any half-decent totals and hardly any totals of 300+ which is the norm nowadays in ODIs. Its not a surprise given the slow, damp, underprepared wickets that are produced, hardly conducive in encouraging fluid strokeplayers.

People can name whatever fantasy XI they want but the fact is we are miles behind the top teams in the skills required to succeed in ODI cricket. The domestic culture needs to change.

 

[Shafi]

Azhar, Hafeez, Akmal, Nawaz, Wahab have no business in the ODI team
Their is clear bias in their selection. That half the team!

Not saying Pakistan would no 1 with merit based selection, but they wouldn't be an embarrassment to the country

You missed Shafiq and Rahat

 

[Slog]

You missed Shafiq and Rahat

i guess he meant those who played today

but he can replace them with whoever and results aint changin in immediate term

 

[Asim2Good]

What's the harm in trying? As if he wins Pakistan any games with the middle order.

What matters is the concept.

Explosive bats have to open.

Try Umar. If he flops, get someone else.

If you don't want Umar, try someone else.

Btw, Afridi did open for Pakistan at a point of time and did very well.

I ll not waste time on Umar anymore
112 ODIs, 7 years in international cricket and he is still not settled.

Time to move on from him

 

[Slog]

What's the harm in trying? As if he wins Pakistan any games with the middle order.

Rohit Sharma wouldn't have had a career if he hadn't gone to open. Now Rohit is NOT like Umar. So not comparing them but just saying unless you test, you won't know.



What matters is the concept.

Explosive bats have to open.

Try Umar. If he flops, get someone else.

If you don't want Umar, try someone else.

Btw, Afridi did open for Pakistan at a point of time and did very well.

He didnt

fired once in 7/8 matches

and by fired i mean a quick 35+ so not exactly high standards

 

[ask_analyse_act]

selection issues have been there for a long time... Eventually the coach, captain or the selectors kicked out without changing the approach...Many fans here asked for U.akmal inclusion and many still voting for shehzad too.. these guys just go back to domestics no improvement hammer domestic chachas and comeback again... Today it was bounciest pitch in Australia and I dont know why they pick Imad, Hafeez and Nawaz.. They should have taken 4 pacers...Looks like only amir can bowl, Wahab has not done anything special after the CWC'15 QF performance gets a free ride for more than 2 years, he is still bowling wides and no-balls which is basic for an int'l bowler to cut down on those which Wahab makes it as a routine....

No matter whoever they change there is always selection blunders. Just cant separate Pak and selection blunders...

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

I ll not waste time on Umar anymore
112 ODIs, 7 years in international cricket and he is still not settled.

Time to move on from him

I can agree with that.

But felt he could have been given a chance to open a long time back.

There is no creativity or proactive thinking in Pakistan. Everything is template based - win or lose.

 

[Shafi]

Bring Kabir Khan as selector. Inzamam does not have any brain to select a balance squad.

 

[Asim2Good]

I can agree with that.

But felt he could have been given a chance to open a long time back.

There is no creativity or proactive thinking in Pakistan. Everything is template based - win or lose.

For that he should have shown that he have ability to play longer innings.
Anyone can't be sent to open just for sake of creativity.
His brother was given chance to open too but he was not successful either

 

[Asim2Good]

Bring Kabir Khan as selector. Inzamam does not have any brain to select a balance squad.

What was kabir khan speciality?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

He didnt

fired once in 7/8 matches

and by fired i mean a quick 35+ so not exactly high standards

It was not great but it did have a purpose.

Afridi averaged of 24 with 101 SR (with just 1 not out) meant he was giving Pakistan a lot of momentum upfront.

He wasn't consistent so he was dropped as an opener.

What it proves is that its worth a test in case of Umar.

Afridi averaged 25 odd in his career...He averaged 25 odd with 100 SR as opener.....

Umar averages 35 odd in his career...if he averages 35 odd (with 85 SR) as opener - it would be a HUGE boost to Pakistan.

Not saying it would work for sure but its defo not a bad test. Should have done this 2+ years ago.

 

[RYASIR]

Huh

The fact is there is no one who deserves to be selected Pakistan has a dearth of talent...

 

[Idli Vada]

My changes are as follows:

1. Kamran for Babar Azam
2. Sarfraz for Rizwan
3. Afridi for Nawaz
4. Replace Wahab Riaz with a right hand pace bowler

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

For that he should have shown that he have ability to play longer innings.
Anyone can't be sent to open just for sake of creativity.
His brother was given chance to open too but he was not successful either

He doesn't have to.

Average of 35 with 85 SR can give Pakistan the much needed start.

Utilize Umar for his runs and leave the "thinking" to other bats who have a brain.

Sadly no one even bothered to do these tests to see what's what.

 

[Slog]

He doesn't have to.

Average of 35 with 85 SR can give Pakistan the much needed start.

Utilize Umar for his runs and leave the "thinking" to other bats who have a brain.

Sadly no one even bothered to do these tests to see what's what.

tbh people have been calling for that since 2015 so its not exactly a novel idea

but then there must be some reason that Mohsin Khan, Whatmore, Waqar, his domestic coaches (Basit Ali for eg.) and now Mickey dont think that he's equpped for a top order spot. Surely theres some reasoning behind it and not all are missing sth here.

 

[Asim2Good]

He doesn't have to.

Average of 35 with 85 SR can give Pakistan the much needed start.

Utilize Umar for his runs and leave the "thinking" to other bats who have a brain.

Sadly no one even bothered to do these tests to see what's what.

Yes he need to.
Every explosive opener Sehwag,Warner,Gayle,Gilly used to get big scores once set n going.
Rohit Sharma woould have been out of team if he played quick 20-30 at top of innings. Isn't Dhawan out of team for that reason only?

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

tbh people have been calling for that since 2015 so its not exactly a novel idea

but then there must be some reason that Mohsin Khan, Whatmore, Waqar, his domestic coaches (Basit Ali for eg.) and now Mickey dont think that he's equpped for a top order spot. Surely theres some reasoning behind it and not all are missing sth here.

Even before that. This is not a novel idea yet no one in Pak management tested it.

but then there must be some reason that Mohsin Khan, Whatmore, Waqar, his domestic coaches (Basit Ali for eg.) and now Mickey dont think that he's equpped for a top order spot. Surely theres some reasoning behind it and not all are missing sth here.

Leaving aside Mickey who is new...I would agree with this point if Pakistan was being proactive in other area. In every area, they let things go bad and then try to correct it.

 

[samiakh]

I think you saw the importance of sarfaraz at 4 or 5 today. We really missed him. Nawaz over Malik also silly and your senior bowler going for 7 an over on that pitch was criminal. I'm tired of the of inconsistency that wahab demonstrates. Awesome one day horrible the next.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Yes he need to.
Every explosive opener Sehwag,Warner,Gayle,Gilly used to get big scores once set n going.
Rohit Sharma woould have been out of team if he played quick 20-30 at top of innings. Isn't Dhawan out of team for that reason only?

Does he need to as an opening bat?

Yes.

Can he do it?

Not sure.

Can Pakistan find value in Umar Akmal even if he doesn't?

Yes.

Is there multiple ways to skin a cat?

Yes.

Can people be choosy when they don't have options?

No.

Is it worth a test?

Yes.

Is Pak management someone with good foresight?

No.

So should it be tested?

Yes.

Should it be tested now?

Depends.

Should it be tested with other players who show batting potential to score fast?

Yes.

 

[Asim2Good]

Does he need to as an opening bat?

Yes.

Can he do it?

Not sure.

Can Pakistan find value in Umar Akmal even if he doesn't?

Yes.

Is there multiple ways to skin a cat?

Yes.

Can people be choosy when they don't have options?

No.

Is it worth a test?

Yes.

Is Pak management someone with good foresight?

No.

So should it be tested?

Yes.

Should it be tested now?

Depends.

Should it be tested with other players who show batting potential to score fast?

Yes.

Should team waste another 2 years on him on player who can't do anything in 7 years?
NO

Did team tried something new with him?
yes by trying him as wicket keeper batsman

Did he delievered?
NO, he started crying as he wanted his elder brother Kami back in team

Can we blame others for his failures?
NO

Did He got enough chances?
YES

 

[Ankit007]

Well perhaps they would have lost with any team but if team is selected on merit then there is no harm in losing. Selecting good team at least gives you chance. But if u have better players and still selecting TTFs or undeserving players and then lose like this. Then it hurts. If you lose by lack of planning then it hurts.

If guys like akmal, hafeez be a part of team then it shouldn't be a much of a surprise.... Maybe a young team will fail you too but at least they will learn. These guys have already learnt what they could learn.

But nowadays even Pak U19 is losing to AFG U19 team. Sad but true. Need to be patient with people like noman anwar, Khalid latif, amir yamin etc

Pak needs to understand that not always You can get kohli like players in one go. they need to be given international exposure. and can't select team of TTFs again and again. you invested in imad, Babar, Hasan Ali and see they are doing well.

 

[Shafi]

What was kabir khan speciality?

No harm t try someone new. Even Bazid Khan would have good choice. Inzi is a total failure

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Should team waste another 2 years on him on player who can't do anything in 7 years?
NO

Did team tried something new with him?
yes by trying him as wicket keeper batsman

Did he delievered?
NO, he started crying as he wanted his elder brother Kami back in team

Can we blame others for his failures?
NO

Did He got enough chances?
YES

Should Pakistan waste another 2 years to try out someone as opener?

No.

Will any other team in the world waste 2 years to try out an opener instead of a series or two?

No.

Does that make Pakistan the odd man out?

Yes.

Does Pakistan have various new options?

No.

Does Pakistan need to throw Umar out permanently?

Matter of choice considering his failure.

Will throwing Umar solve their deep rooted problems of not exploring their options properly?

No.

Will throwing out Umar give people temporary satisfaction?

Yes.

Will the core issues be resolved?

No.

 

[Asim2Good]

No harm t try someone new. Even Bazid Khan would have good choice. Inzi is a total failure

Oh ok, for sake of giving chance
Then its all fine

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

By the way, I am NOT supporting Ummy Bhai.

Just talking about the usage of resources here.

Umar either needs to be dropped or tried as opener. Either approach is fine.

 

[Asim2Good]

Does Pakistan have various new options?

No

Will the core issues be resolved?

No.

Does Pakistan have other options for ODI openers?
Yes in Fakhar Zaman n Nauman Anwer. To try for change.

Will Core issue be solved?
Core issue ll be middle order once Umar ll be kicked out. Haris Sohail ll b fit soon and he can take his place soon

Fakhar Zaman
Sharjeel
Babar
Haris
Sarfraz
Imad
Fast bowling all rounder
Then 4 bowlers

 

[jeetu]

Hafeez should not be given a position in top order outside Asia.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Does Pakistan have other options for ODI openers?
Yes in Fakhar Zaman n Nauman Anwer. To try for change.

Will Core issue be solved?
Core issue ll be middle order once Umar ll be kicked out. Haris Sohail ll b fit soon and he can take his place soon

Fakhar Zaman
Sharjeel
Babar
Haris
Sarfraz
Imad
Fast bowling all rounder
Then 4 bowlers

I was referring to proactiveness being the core issue here.

From your post, seems like there are some other openers coming through.

Try them.

All the best.

 

[JibranAnsari]

By the way, I am NOT supporting Ummy Bhai.

Just talking about the usage of resources here.

Umar either needs to be dropped or tried as opener. Either approach is fine.

I guess that's the only place we could try him before dumping him for good.

 

[ads101]

By the way, I am NOT supporting Ummy Bhai.

Just talking about the usage of resources here.

Umar either needs to be dropped or tried as opener. Either approach is fine.

I think we have to try him as opener now, and if he doesn't do well, dump him for a long period of time to work on his game. He's been in decline for years now, it's getting ridiculous. Yet we don't have many better options to suddenly replace a guy who does have obvious talent and who we have invested in so heavily. I can't even think of anyone around that age group for us in ODIs, except Sarfraz and Azhar (Azhar though isn't exactly a LOI player, just he's needed at the moment because of this brittle line up). Either players are too young or are too old nearing retirement.

 

[abughio]

very very poor combination... three spinners in australia at gabba.. 3 frontline seamers and between them one spraygun and other young plus not pacy..

above all..malik dropped for hafeez/nawaz.. atleast malik brings more to the table in comparison to nawaz.. plus playing nawaz in aus means you are ruining his career..

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Team Selection is not the only issue. It might not be the main issue Pakistan Cricket is facing.

Anyhow 4 Odi's to go.

Malik should come into playing eleven in place of Nawaz. Junaid should replace Wahab.


The way Australian top order collapsed no way they should have crossed 170 mark.

We should still have scored 250 atleast.


Azhar has pulled up his hamstring so any of Malik or Hafeez could be made captain for next match.

 

[MMHS]

Won't have mattered - after taking out Warner & Smith for single digit & then pushing Aussies to 170/7; yet the margin is almost 100 runs. There is a significant gap between ability of both teams. Today, PAK was probably better in only aspect - their No. 3 out scored Aussie No. 3, by 4 runs......

Having said that, this team has 4/5 baggage -
1. Captain Azhar - At the end of the day, PAK allowed 100 runs for last 3 wickets at almost 8/over
2. Opener Azhar - 24 of 48, without any boundary in entire PP, I am not sure how to describe that effort. Personally, I'll take Smith's innings yesterday than this one.
3. Wahab - even yesterday he would have threatened 3 digit if given full quota
4. Nawaz - not sure how an inferior batsman justifies his spot in squad, when his fellow SLAO spinner is better batsman & out bowling him by large margin. Only PAK can play 2 SLAO spinners in AUS against 5 lefties.

On top of that, they replaced the batting position of the man scoring 3 centuries & a 98 in his last 4 LO innings for PAK to accommodate a tail-ender at 3.

 

[Black Zero]

Yes, Kami should be playing.
He was asked to provide passport, sadly, team management in Australia do not want him.

Why is Hafeez playing and why was Junaid benched?

 

[the Great Khan]

One only has to look at the recent domestic one day tournaments to see how far behind the rest of the world we are in 50 over cricket.

Poor rotation of strike, lack of explosive hitters, teams failing to chase any half-decent totals and hardly any totals of 300+ which is the norm nowadays in ODIs. Its not a surprise given the slow, damp, underprepared wickets that are produced, hardly conducive in encouraging fluid strokeplayers.

People can name whatever fantasy XI they want but the fact is we are miles behind the top teams in the skills required to succeed in ODI cricket. The domestic culture needs to change.

we need to start preparing flat picthes in domestic ODI's...most ODI pitches in the world are flat..why not do it at home? I have no idea what they are doing in domestic these days..its a disgrace..I agree with Miandad who said we need good batting pitches at home so we can produce good ODI players..and the bowlers will have to work hard to get wickets! imagine a bowler who gets and average below 28 on flat phattas at home..

 

[the Great Khan]

I think we have to try him as opener now, and if he doesn't do well, dump him for a long period of time to work on his game. He's been in decline for years now, it's getting ridiculous. Yet we don't have many better options to suddenly replace a guy who does have obvious talent and who we have invested in so heavily. I can't even think of anyone around that age group for us in ODIs, except Sarfraz and Azhar (Azhar though isn't exactly a LOI player, just he's needed at the moment because of this brittle line up). Either players are too young or are too old nearing retirement.

if umar akmal doesnt end this series with an average above 40 he needs to be sacked for good..he is useless!!

 

[Seamer]

It's time to give Sarfaraz the captaincy and Bring in Khalid Latif and Hammad Azam in odi to provide some big hitting. My lineup for WI:

1. Sharjeel Khan
2. Khalid Latif
3. Babar Azam
4. Malik
5. Sarfaraz (c)
6. Hammad Azam
7. Imad Wasim
8. Zafar Gohar
9. Amir
10. Wahab Riaz
11. Hassan Ali

 

[MRSN]

The OP obiviously didn't watch Rizwan dancing and failing to construct one proper shot for even singles..and he also failed to notice that Nawaz was a liability.. and Azhar we know is not a proper ODI opener..

so to say we don't have anything wrong in selections is naive. Pakistan still does not field a perfect XI.

 

[-=Umair=-]

This Should Be The Team For 2nd ODI.

1.Shajeel Khan
2.Azhar Ali (Captain)
3.Mohammad Hafeez
4.Babar Azam
5.Shoaib Malik
6.Umar Akmal
7.Mohammad Rizwan (Wicketkeeper)
8.Imad Wasim
9.Mohammad Aamir
10.Hassan Ali
11.Junaid Khan

 

[Yossarian]

3) Announcing ODI squad in the middle of a test series.

To allow enough time to obtain Australian visa's for those players not already in the country as part of the Test squad perhaps?

 

[Pakpak]

we need to start preparing flat picthes in domestic ODI's...most ODI pitches in the world are flat..why not do it at home? I have no idea what they are doing in domestic these days..its a disgrace..I agree with Miandad who said we need good batting pitches at home so we can produce good ODI players..and the bowlers will have to work hard to get wickets! imagine a bowler who gets and average below 28 on flat phattas at home..

I agree 100%. Our pitches back home are a disgrace really.

 

[Sadevdesai]

Team selection is not the problem .... we just don't have players to play at the International level !!! You can change the batting order all you want .... the sum total of total talent does not change. What is needed is mental toughness. This has to come from the players themselves. Hard to say what they tell each other in the dressing room .... but it can't be good.

 

[the Great Khan]

I agree 100%. Our pitches back home are a disgrace really.

they get the local maali baba to preapre the pitches..its a disgrace..we produced great ODI players because we had flat pitches..same as in India. Now that India rules the cricketing world we should be making sure our pitches are nice flat ones for ODI cricket..this current situation should be ideal for our players..but alas the fools had other ideas. Never before have the conditions for world ODI cricket favoured the sub continent more..

 

[Speedster777]

Absolutely. This team is not based on merit. hafeez, wahab, rahat ali, akmal are all products of meritless and unprofessional set-up. They can't win , period.

 

[MRSN]

Does Pakistan have other options for ODI openers?
Yes in Fakhar Zaman n Nauman Anwer. To try for change.

Will Core issue be solved?
Core issue ll be middle order once Umar ll be kicked out. Haris Sohail ll b fit soon and he can take his place soon

Fakhar Zaman
Sharjeel
Babar
Haris
Sarfraz
Imad
Fast bowling all rounder
Then 4 bowlers

Fakhar bats like Sami and Nauman..) he is a hack.

 

[DRsohail]

Won't have mattered - after taking out Warner & Smith for single digit & then pushing Aussies to 170/7; yet the margin is almost 100 runs. There is a significant gap between ability of both teams. Today, PAK was probably better in only aspect - their No. 3 out scored Aussie No. 3, by 4 runs......

Having said that, this team has 4/5 baggage -
1. Captain Azhar - At the end of the day, PAK allowed 100 runs for last 3 wickets at almost 8/over
2. Opener Azhar - 24 of 48, without any boundary in entire PP, I am not sure how to describe that effort. Personally, I'll take Smith's innings yesterday than this one.
3. Wahab - even yesterday he would have threatened 3 digit if given full quota
4. Nawaz - not sure how an inferior batsman justifies his spot in squad, when his fellow SLAO spinner is better batsman & out bowling him by large margin. Only PAK can play 2 SLAO spinners in AUS against 5 lefties.

On top of that, they replaced the batting position of the man scoring 3 centuries & a 98 in his last 4 LO innings for PAK to accommodate a tail-ender at 3.

the number 3 spot and the 2 left arms spinners were micky decisions??? what do u think....can he be so much dumb..?

 

[JaDed]

they get the local maali baba to preapre the pitches..its a disgrace..we produced great ODI players because we had flat pitches..same as in India. Now that India rules the cricketing world we should be making sure our pitches are nice flat ones for ODI cricket..this current situation should be ideal for our players..but alas the fools had other ideas. Never before have the conditions for world ODI cricket favoured the sub continent more..

Yes lol no,Aus still rules ODI cricket by a fair margin,but yes pitches in Pak were flat previously and inspite of that the bowlers were able to swing it,which was also the reason for likes of Wasim,Waqar,Shoaib not being sitting ducks on flat pitches but planning to perform,even Aqib Javed was way smarter than Wahab.(Pakistan's best right now)

But the issue are your batsmen who don't have the fitness to rotate strike in 50 over game,that's the place where India has improved- running quick and putting pressure on the fielder and vice versa.

 

[Asim2Good]

Fakhar bats like Sami and Nauman..) he is a hack.

Lets stick with Azhar then.
If we not gonna give chance to new comers, or should we bring back Ahmad Shehzad?

Fakhar have avg of 49 at SR of 93 with highest score of 180

 

[waleed88]

Won't have mattered - after taking out Warner & Smith for single digit & then pushing Aussies to 170/7; yet the margin is almost 100 runs. There is a significant gap between ability of both teams. Today, PAK was probably better in only aspect - their No. 3 out scored Aussie No. 3, by 4 runs......

Having said that, this team has 4/5 baggage -
1. Captain Azhar - At the end of the day, PAK allowed 100 runs for last 3 wickets at almost 8/over
2. Opener Azhar - 24 of 48, without any boundary in entire PP, I am not sure how to describe that effort. Personally, I'll take Smith's innings yesterday than this one.
3. Wahab - even yesterday he would have threatened 3 digit if given full quota
4. Nawaz - not sure how an inferior batsman justifies his spot in squad, when his fellow SLAO spinner is better batsman & out bowling him by large margin. Only PAK can play 2 SLAO spinners in AUS against 5 lefties.

On top of that, they replaced the batting position of the man scoring 3 centuries & a 98 in his last 4 LO innings for PAK to accommodate a tail-ender at 3.

Don't blame it on Azhar Ali.. a 260 in today's era is like a 200-210 of the 90s.. a challenging score nothing more, a side that has a little more than 2 cents on chasing should be able to chase this total down in 40 overs for the loss of 3 wickets.. for eg India/Srilanka would chase this down easily

Bowlers bowled exceptionally well today, to restrict Aussies to 260 is no mean feat in a home ground.. this game was in the bag but our batsmen batted the way you would chase down the total in the 90s..

Cannot fault the bowlers or the captain here.. lower order fightback is standard in todays era..

 

[MMHS]

the number 3 spot and the 2 left arms spinners were micky decisions??? what do u think....can he be so much dumb..?

He is playing tricks, which I don't like - confrontation is better than compromise.

Probably, his contract has some clause which secures his payment terms, hence he is happy to play around. Also, he knows, after him, PCB will have to come in BD or Kenya if they are to hire a foreign coach. For example, recently he backed Misbah to continue for some time, which is absurd, simply can't be true. What I understand is, he is trying to have Misbah as his shield - frankly speaking, after Oval, PAK's Test performance is shambolic, but hardly anyone has pointed fingers to Arthur - everything is dumped on Misbah's head; therefore I would have also backed the dummy, who keeps my cloth dry & clean.

What he is doing is allowing things to drift below until it reaches to crashing point. I have read him, I have seen his teams - no way, this can be his team, no way. I might be wrong, but what he is doing is probably setting his grounds for a land slide change. 35 years back, in BD cricket was played mostly in Dhaka/Chittagong & we had genuine shortage of minimum standard cricketer - therefore, often teams were over aged (basically few players playing in Leagues at home or in UK, kept playing till late ages), yet that wasn't like this. And, that's 29 months before next WC!!! I sense a big change from WI tour or at latest CT 2017; which will start from Captain.

I can tell you that, if Arthur was in charge, Amir would have been ODI vice Captain under Sarfu by now, if not Captain him self - just one example.

 

[MRSN]

they get the local maali baba to preapre the pitches..its a disgrace..we produced great ODI players because we had flat pitches..same as in India. Now that India rules the cricketing world we should be making sure our pitches are nice flat ones for ODI cricket..this current situation should be ideal for our players..but alas the fools had other ideas. Never before have the conditions for world ODI cricket favoured the sub continent more..

bhai back in those days cricket was different. Now things have changed. In those days 250 was a match winning score but now it is chased before 40th over by most top teams. The problem is we have failed to evolve like other top teams have with time. We are still stuck in 90s.

 

[MMHS]

Don't blame it on Azhar Ali.. a 260 in today's era is like a 200-210 of the 90s.. a challenging score nothing more, a side that has a little more than 2 cents on chasing should be able to chase this total down in 40 overs for the loss of 3 wickets.. for eg India/Srilanka would chase this down easily

Bowlers bowled exceptionally well today, to restrict Aussies to 260 is no mean feat in a home ground.. this game was in the bag but our batsmen batted the way you would chase down the total in the 90s..

Cannot fault the bowlers or the captain here.. lower order fightback is standard in todays era..

How do you know, it was a 300 wicket? I give you one clue - there were 4/5 all run 4; means Aussies studied PAK team & they pushed the ropes to maximum distance to test the weight of PAK players butt to it's limit. If most ODI's are played on same size grounds, you'll see many, many modern GREATS choking like soaked sponge to chase anything over 250. It's not so easy to emulate Viv Richards, when you are not sure that you mistimed top edges would clear the ropes. But, be batting or bowling condition, truth remains same that AUS's only batsman added 100 @7+ with last 3 wickets & that was the size of eventual margin.

I have not much against Azhar's batting or Captaincy individually - but a combination of both has made a player scoring 24 (48) in PP on such condition un-dropable. I tell you one thing - if somehow Azhar misses couple of ODI & team is led anyone - take a random pick - MoHa, Malik, Imad, Amir, Wahab, SK, even any one the Cousins - PAK'll do far better than this.

 

[DRsohail]

He is playing tricks, which I don't like - confrontation is better than compromise.

Probably, his contract has some clause which secures his payment terms, hence he is happy to play around. Also, he knows, after him, PCB will have to come in BD or Kenya if they are to hire a foreign coach. For example, recently he backed Misbah to continue for some time, which is absurd, simply can't be true. What I understand is, he is trying to have Misbah as his shield - frankly speaking, after Oval, PAK's Test performance is shambolic, but hardly anyone has pointed fingers to Arthur - everything is dumped on Misbah's head; therefore I would have also backed the dummy, who keeps my cloth dry & clean.

What he is doing is allowing things to drift below until it reaches to crashing point. I have read him, I have seen his teams - no way, this can be his team, no way. I might be wrong, but what he is doing is probably setting his grounds for a land slide change. 35 years back, in BD cricket was played mostly in Dhaka/Chittagong & we had genuine shortage of minimum standard cricketer - therefore, often teams were over aged (basically few players playing in Leagues at home or in UK, kept playing till late ages), yet that wasn't like this. And, that's 29 months before next WC!!! I sense a big change from WI tour or at latest CT 2017; which will start from Captain.

I can tell you that, if Arthur was in charge, Amir would have been ODI vice Captain under Sarfu by now, if not Captain him self - just one example.

you mak sense as hafiz is being horrible at 3 and he is on the ice....he is making ground for it...azhar yaar even my younger brothr knows he isnot odi material....and the list is lengthy....2 slao ,mian,umar,one spell wonder......

 

[Markhor]

It's time to give Sarfaraz the captaincy and Bring in Khalid Latif and Hammad Azam in odi to provide some big hitting. My lineup for WI:

1. Sharjeel Khan
2. Khalid Latif
3. Babar Azam
4. Malik
5. Sarfaraz (c)
6. Hammad Azam
7. Imad Wasim
8. Zafar Gohar
9. Amir
10. Wahab Riaz
11. Hassan Ali

I don't why Khalid Latif gets the grief that he does on here. He's a clean hitter of spin bowling and would've contributed a lot more than fake all-rounder Nawaz, Mohammad Rizwan who seemingly did a John Travolta routine at the crease than show any decent batsmanship, and Hafeez who is walking wicket against pace.

 

[MRSN]

Lets stick with Azhar then.
If we not gonna give chance to new comers, or should we bring back Ahmad Shehzad?

Fakhar have avg of 49 at SR of 93 with highest score of 180

I'm all for trying out new options like Fakhar but I think kamran is the best option right now with Sharjeel. He should be given his last chance as he is doing so well in domestic cricket..in the form of his life at the moment.

 

[Statsman]

The target was 270 not 370. You don't need a flat patta to chase 270.

 

[waleed88]

How do you know, it was a 300 wicket? I give you one clue - there were 4/5 all run 4; means Aussies studied PAK team & they pushed the ropes to maximum distance to test the weight of PAK players butt to it's limit. If most ODI's are played on same size grounds, you'll see many, many modern GREATS choking like soaked sponge to chase anything over 250. It's not so easy to emulate Viv Richards, when you are not sure that you mistimed top edges would clear the ropes. But, be batting or bowling condition, truth remains same that AUS's only batsman added 100 @7+ with last 3 wickets & that was the size of eventual margin.

I have not much against Azhar's batting or Captaincy individually - but a combination of both has made a player scoring 24 (48) in PP on such condition un-dropable. I tell you one thing - if somehow Azhar misses couple of ODI & team is led anyone - take a random pick - MoHa, Malik, Imad, Amir, Wahab, SK, even any one the Cousins - PAK'll do far better than this.

Do you honestly believe the captain has anything to do with this pathetic display.. This display has nothing to do with the captain.. this is the level of the team, the level of our cricket, we cannot chase a total down at International level.. fact is the only total we chased down was 300 in England, which was supposed to be something revolutionary, but we haven't played any ODIs since then... we go back to our usual standard..

Even in those matches we played England's most young bowling lineup with no spearheads, we took on the new left arm spinner a novice at International cricket.. scored runs off him and milked the others...

Nothing is more mediocre than seeing a team who has shivers down their spine when they se a 250 plus total.. I watched the game and nothing from their body language showed they looked like they had any idea how they would chase this down

 

[MRSN]

Do you honestly believe the captain has anything to do with this pathetic display.. This display has nothing to do with the captain.. this is the level of the team, the level of our cricket, we cannot chase a total down at International level.. fact is the only total we chased down was 300 in England, which was supposed to be something revolutionary, but we haven't played any ODIs since then... we go back to our usual standard..

Even in those matches we played England's most young bowling lineup with no spearheads, we took on the new left arm spinner a novice at International cricket.. scored runs off him and milked the others...

Nothing is more mediocre than seeing a team who has shivers down their spine when they se a 250 plus total.. I watched the game and nothing from their body language showed they looked like they had any idea how they would chase this down

The captain is a liability in the team. I am one of his biggest fans but there seems to be no change of mode in him. After giving him some good no. of games I have come to this conclusion that he is a misfit in the ODI side. He just can't play according to the ODI requirements. He looks good only when Sharjeel is firing on the other end and runs are coming easily but once the batsmen on the other end are stuck you can clearly see Azhar struggling.

 

[Ellipsism]

It's time to give Sarfaraz the captaincy and Bring in Khalid Latif and Hammad Azam in odi to provide some big hitting. My lineup for WI:

1. Sharjeel Khan
2. Khalid Latif
3. Babar Azam
4. Malik
5. Sarfaraz (c)
6. Hammad Azam
7. Imad Wasim
8. Zafar Gohar
9. Amir
10. Wahab Riaz
11. Hassan Ali

Khalid Latif, is this supposed to be a joke?

 

[Ellipsism]

Yes, Kami should be playing.
He was asked to provide passport, sadly, team management in Australia do not want him.

Why is Hafeez playing and why was Junaid benched?

He landed three hours before the game.