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Does Fakhar Zaman struggle on pitches that don't offer pace and bounce?

Kohli The King of Chase

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Fakhar has struggled in WI and UAE. Now, even in Zimbabwe he seems to be struggling for timing.

Will this be a limitation for him, or can he work on this?
 
He is luckiest batsman in the Pakistani team.
In every match he skys atleast once only to be dropped or ball lands in no man zone.
 
Whatever his limitations are, he's always in the runs. Ultimately that's what matters
 
So far 35 of the ugliest runs you will ever see, but he's still there.

He seems to have the knack to just avoid fielders.

Horrible slices, horrible hacks, mistimed shots, mixed in with some very stylish and effective shots.
 
Thats the reason I didn't state that, "He WILL struggle", rather I have asked a question from what I've seen.

But truly, he looked a brilliant player in England and NZ tho..

I don’t think we can draw any conclusion from those 2 series.
 
Yes he does struggle when he can’t hit through the line. If you compare his innings in England in the CT and NZ they look much different to his innings vs SL in UAE etc.
 
Not a picture of elegance but he's producing the runs which is what matters.

But a bowler can dry him up for runs by cramping him for room and not giving him any width.
 
He is a hack who needs a lot of luck to succeed, but you need a player like him in your arsenal. At least he has the guts to try and impose himself on the opposition.

If he can survive for 15 overs, he will give Pakistan a flying start 9/10 times.
 
Watched Fakhar batting closely in the nets at Lord's and to be honest I was less than impressed with him in terms of technique and footwork.

One big problem is that he tries to hit the ball too hard so the grip on the bat goes array and the bat twists in his hand.

The bat rarely comes down straight and that's why there are so few shots played in the V.

He's different, he's scoring runs but my fear is that he will be worked out.
 
Isn't convincing but he finds a way to score runs. He won't cost the team because he is always looking to score.
 
Fakhar has struggled in WI and UAE. Now, even in Zimbabwe he seems to be struggling for timing.

Will this be a limitation for him, or can he work on this?

He just got 61 at a sr of 150+ with 3 sixes. So yeah he is struggling lol
 
No one cares how Fakhar scores his runs. He was Pakistan's only batsman in the ODI series in NZ, which is a difficult tour. We need someone like Sharjeel beside him so that he doesn't have to take audacious risks
 
I would rather have a batsman who is better on fast and flat tracks rather than our usual slow tracks in the UAE. As long as he scores runs in England, NZ, etc, his failures on slower pitches don't matter.
 
He definitely has areas to improve but most cases than not he does his job which is get Pakistan quick fire runs at the top.
 
Fakhar has heart. He is daring..all he cares about is bat hitting ball and runs coming via any means necessary.

He will give you chances but if you dont take them you will pay.

He scores quick, so the longer he remains more he will hurt the opposition. Some batsmen should not be judged on technique..but results and as long as he is giving results, persist with him please!
 
I would rather have a batsman who is better on fast and flat tracks rather than our usual slow tracks in the UAE. As long as he scores runs in England, NZ, etc, his failures on slower pitches don't matter.

The thing is he has scored runs in all countries he has played in. slow, fast tracks didnt really matter to him.
 
I think against bigger teams he plays more consciously he has the temperament which we have seen in CT final and in NZ 1st odi too
 
He has done well so far, so probably he is one of those players who always looks ungainly while scoring runs. He is scoring runs for Pakistan, that's the most important thing.
 
Can the stat gurus pull up his average this year across all formats? It will be good to compare with last year
 
He's a hack, often gets lucky early in the innings. Doesn't really have the technique to play against good pace.

Though he's a good one, and once he gets himself in, he's scores big. Effortlessly scores quick too.

He's not the problem, he's our second best bat. But probably makes sense to fill the rest of the top four with reliable batsmen that give him the freedom to play as he does.

There may be a point where best course of action is to drop him down the order. But not yet when we lack top order bats.
 
Against Zimbabwe? That must count a lot!! :tahir2:))):)))

In case you didn't notice, I had asked for a comparison between Fakhar 2017 vs Fakhar 2018 ....

The amount of excitement being felt by our friends across the border seems to be more than what Australians are feeling today :D
 
Against Zimbabwe? That must count a lot!! :tahir2:))):)))

In case you didn't notice, I had asked for a comparison between Fakhar 2017 vs Fakhar 2018 ....

Not sure how you can compare during that time period because it has been exactly one year since he made his debut in the CT.

After the CT, he played only 5 ODI's and 6 T20's in 2017 during a duration of six months.

In 2018, he has only played 8 T20's and 5 ODI's during an ongoing duration of six months.
 
Not sure how you can compare during that time period because it has been exactly one year since he made his debut in the CT.

After the CT, he played only 5 ODI's and 6 T20's in 2017 during a duration of six months.

In 2018, he has only played 8 T20's and 5 ODI's during an ongoing duration of six months.

6 months, 5 ODIs and 6 T20s in 2017 vs 6 months, 5 ODIs and 8 T20s in 2018. Seems perfectly matched for a comparison I'd say!
 
A bit of a left-handed Imran Nazir about him - all or nothing and anything is possible on any given day.

I still feel he needs to tighten up his technique or there will be more bad days than good days.
 
A bit of a left-handed Imran Nazir about him - all or nothing and anything is possible on any given day.

I still feel he needs to tighten up his technique or there will be more bad days than good days.

In terms of intent he's similar . But imran could play 360 degress versus pace and spin. Fakhar seems to target 1 side and has issues against the bouncer.
 
6 months, 5 ODIs and 6 T20s in 2017 vs 6 months, 5 ODIs and 8 T20s in 2018. Seems perfectly matched for a comparison I'd say!

My point was that breaking it down to a period of 6 months for comparison especially in his rookie year is not the best indication.

I would wait atleast two years to compare him to himself.

And what really is the comparison?

He’s been generally consistent since his debut with one poor series against SL at home in the ODI’s.
 
My point was that breaking it down to a period of 6 months for comparison especially in his rookie year is not the best indication.

I would wait atleast two years to compare him to himself.

And what really is the comparison?

He’s been generally consistent since his debut with one poor series against SL at home in the ODI’s.

This discussion is academic. Fakhar played and performed to the utmost expectation in the biggest match of his career so far and this is what is hurting that particular Indian poster. Oss din nani yaad dila di thi Fakhar ne inko... inkay bowlers ko ground ke har konay mein mara tha. Showed them their aukat. That phainti still hurts hence you see such posts from Indians on here.
 
This discussion is academic. Fakhar played and performed to the utmost expectation in the biggest match of his career so far and this is what is hurting that particular Indian poster. Oss din nani yaad dila di thi Fakhar ne inko... inkay bowlers ko ground ke har konay mein mara tha. Showed them their aukat. That phainti still hurts hence you see such posts from Indians on here.

I guess if winning performance in one match is all it takes, Rajesh Chouhan deserves a mention too ..
 
I guess if winning performance in one match is all it takes, Rajesh Chouhan deserves a mention too ..

Fakhar has been our best or second best bat since his debut across both the formats he has played in. Just because you are too ignorant to know better does not change that fact.
 
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Well hopefully now that he has a more accomplished and technically solid opening partner at the other end, he could benefit and learn from the years of experience Hafeez has and proven track record of being able to adapt to different conditions - especially fast and bouncy wickets.
 
As long as he keeps scoring runs everywhere else, I’m ok with his poor performance in the UAE.
 

Worrying stats given how much cricket we play in Asia/UAE and our reliance on Fakhar for fast starts.

Fakhar is strong on the cut and is an excellent player of spin. However he does have limitations. Teams have worked out that you can tie him down when you bowl into his body, and he isn't good at putting away deliveries around legstump.
 
He looked much more comfortable in test matches and I bet that has to do with the lack of pressure of having to launch an assault on the bowling attack straight away and he has the liberty to take his time and choose the right balls to hit.
 
Worrying stats given how much cricket we play in Asia/UAE and our reliance on Fakhar for fast starts.

Fakhar is strong on the cut and is an excellent player of spin. However he does have limitations. Teams have worked out that you can tie him down when you bowl into his body, and he isn't good at putting away deliveries around legstump.

Its up to Fakhar to develop his game. Kohli spends an insane amount of time in the nets and practicing against the bowling machine to work on his weak areas.
 
Ever since i have seen him, he struggles against short balls, particularly onto the body. Not Raina level though.
 
Fakhar ll flop everytime he ll go out to bat. Any decent bowling attack who ll bowl into his body and dont give him room, he ll fail against.

Fakhar now a days seems under pressure and panicked, because he doesnt know what to do when the ball is bowled into his body and any decent bowler ll first tire him up by bowling into his body and then ll outdo him with the bouncer or the ball on fourth stump line.

Its just about tiring fakhar up and then the one which ll go away from him or the boucer where fakhar ll swing wildly and blindly, people plz wake up.

I also dont understand why zeeshan malik isnt even selected today for the A squad. Just disgusting men. Zeeshan malik is a good bat.
 
He needs improvement otherwise it won't take long since his International Career will fall apart.
 
Pak need to get the hell out of uae itl finish of just more than Fakhars career.. these pitches 1990s style of cricket, nowhere else in the world will you see these kind of outdated pitches!!
 
I don't think it's about slowness of the wicket - he has enough quality & now experience to adjust his game according to wicket. Obviously, maintaining a stats like 50/100 isn't easy at any venue, but he has capability to do better in UAE, than what we have seen so far.

What I feel is, guy is putting too much pressure on himself for a blasting start, which often is resulting in him trying to butcher the ball brutally, rather than timing & placing it. On slow surface, it's even tougher to hit the ball hard - some of his shots I can say would have flown to crowd from edge in UK or SAF, but not in UAE. He played quite a sedate & thoughtful inning in his Test debut on what was a much tougher wicket that these ODI/T20 wickets, where he took his time and didn't try to over do things.

May be, he is thinking too much about the Power Play and trying to overcompensate for his partner (s), which won't work for anyone - actually it's resulting that Babar probably has a better SR than FZ as T20 opener in UAE. I think, he needs to think it like a proper opener here, who should get a 75+ on such wickets, if he bats through 20 overs and that's perfectly acceptable. It's easier for him once set, because he plays spin better and he has the capability to clear boundary airborne even in middle overs.

I have to say, PAK mis-handles inexperienced batsmen too much, which has cost far too many inexperienced players.
 
I don't think it's about slowness of the wicket - he has enough quality & now experience to adjust his game according to wicket. Obviously, maintaining a stats like 50/100 isn't easy at any venue, but he has capability to do better in UAE, than what we have seen so far.

What I feel is, guy is putting too much pressure on himself for a blasting start, which often is resulting in him trying to butcher the ball brutally, rather than timing & placing it. On slow surface, it's even tougher to hit the ball hard - some of his shots I can say would have flown to crowd from edge in UK or SAF, but not in UAE. He played quite a sedate & thoughtful inning in his Test debut on what was a much tougher wicket that these ODI/T20 wickets, where he took his time and didn't try to over do things.

May be, he is thinking too much about the Power Play and trying to overcompensate for his partner (s), which won't work for anyone - actually it's resulting that Babar probably has a better SR than FZ as T20 opener in UAE. I think, he needs to think it like a proper opener here, who should get a 75+ on such wickets, if he bats through 20 overs and that's perfectly acceptable. It's easier for him once set, because he plays spin better and he has the capability to clear boundary airborne even in middle overs.

I have to say, PAK mis-handles inexperienced batsmen too much, which has cost far too many inexperienced players.

Yes he goes too hard at the ball. It's strange because he struggles with the bouncer but he actually prefers fast pitches. In SA and Eng he will be dangerous.
 
It has nothing to do with the pitches. Fakhar had a great run and probably the bowlers have sized him up and have found out his weakness. He needs to work on it and return a better player. International cricket is not easy and you should expect runs to be served up in a platter. Things will get tough and that's what determines if you are an ordinary player or a great one.
 
Technically there are some issues. It's glaringly obvious and I am surprised that opposition teams have not worked out the areas that he is weak in.
 
It's not about slow pitches.

He will always be a dud if you bowl into him. Target his body or the leg side.

Whether slow or fast pitches. Huge huge flaw.

Sharjeel would smack these balls out of the ground.
 
He has technical issues, yes, but these slow wickets exaggerate them.
 
He looked ok in test matches because he had time to wait for the bad balls. In odis and t20s you don't have that luxury and have to counter attack.

Needs to work on his weak areas
 
He has technical issues, yes, but these slow wickets exaggerate them.

No.

Even in CT, South Africa started by bowling into him, target his body.

And he was clueless.

Then they started bowling on the off and gave him width. He started hitting then.
 
It's not about slow pitches.

He will always be a dud if you bowl into him. Target his body or the leg side.

Whether slow or fast pitches. Huge huge flaw.

Sharjeel would smack these balls out of the ground.

Fully agree but unfortunately he is the best we have.
 
Fully agree but unfortunately he is the best we have.

He's one of the best hacks we have indeed. But what if opposition tries out this strategy in every game?

We need to find more hacks too.
 
No.

Even in CT, South Africa started by bowling into him, target his body.

And he was clueless.

Then they started bowling on the off and gave him width. He started hitting then.

Yeah but in New Zealand after that he was ok.
 
Even right after his CT exploits, I have told he is just a poor man's Sharjeel
 
He's one of the best hacks we have indeed. But what if opposition tries out this strategy in every game?

We need to find more hacks too.

We certainly need more.

One thing thing Fakhar has shown and that is something I haven't seen in our LOI batting greats (except Zaheer Abbas perhaps) is that he doesn't crumble under pressure.
 
Even right after his CT exploits, I have told he is just a poor man's Sharjeel

We're in a state that we'd happily take a poor man's Sharjeel.

Sharjeel was a diamond. So, a poor man's version of him would work too, because we don't have any hitters.
 
It's called 2nd year blues. People have analyzed him and won't give him any freebies. The way he scored all those hundreds against ZIm bowlers bowling dollies and then the way he couldn't get the ball off square in Asia cup shows decent teams have found him out. Except for that Milne sixer, he's been scratchy at best in this series so far
 
We certainly need more.

One thing thing Fakhar has shown and that is something I haven't seen in our LOI batting greats (except Zaheer Abbas perhaps) is that he doesn't crumble under pressure.

Asia cup showed he did crumble. He wasn't even confident to take a review
 
Asia cup showed he did crumble. He wasn't even confident to take a review

Bad form in these matches doesn't equate to someone who is crumbling under pressure because it isn't an ICC event. Not taking anything away from India's Asia Cup because what they achieved with a second string side was impressive.
 
Going back to initial thoughts that he tries to hit too hard & often over do things. May be one solution can be to bat him at 3 in ODI, because he plays spin better and at 3 can focus on building a proper innings.

He has a clear issue with balls close to body, regardless of length and in PP teams put 3 men on leg side, closeing singles and one on line for skiers, which reduces his scoring shots. Batting outside PP should allow him manuvering singles and he can always clear rope if the spinners are in his arc.
 
Going back to initial thoughts that he tries to hit too hard & often over do things. May be one solution can be to bat him at 3 in ODI, because he plays spin better and at 3 can focus on building a proper innings.

He has a clear issue with balls close to body, regardless of length and in PP teams put 3 men on leg side, closeing singles and one on line for skiers, which reduces his scoring shots. Batting outside PP should allow him manuvering singles and he can always clear rope if the spinners are in his arc.
Last night Babar was saying that management is thinking to sending me as an opener in odi which I think will be good initiative but who will open with him imam? Then Fakhar zaman can surely be better at 3untill and unless mr professor ego is not hurted.
 
No need to discard him.

We really need to move away from the UAE, half our players play better on pitches that offer some bounce.

Asif Ali looked so good in Zimbabwe versus Australia, here he looks horrible.
 
Going back to initial thoughts that he tries to hit too hard & often over do things. May be one solution can be to bat him at 3 in ODI, because he plays spin better and at 3 can focus on building a proper innings.

He has a clear issue with balls close to body, regardless of length and in PP teams put 3 men on leg side, closeing singles and one on line for skiers, which reduces his scoring shots. Batting outside PP should allow him manuvering singles and he can always clear rope if the spinners are in his arc.

In the test matches against Australia, he looked a lot more comfortable because he wasn't under pressure to score fast runs and could wait patiently for the bad deliveries. In T-20's and ODI's being the main man responsible for getting the team off to quick fast starts, he does not have the same luxury. He really needs to spend a lot of time in the nets ironing out these weaknesses.
 
Last night Babar was saying that management is thinking to sending me as an opener in odi which I think will be good initiative but who will open with him imam? Then Fakhar zaman can surely be better at 3untill and unless mr professor ego is not hurted.

Better late than never - I think, since ENG tour of 2016, I am writing here that Babar should open in LOs, only that his partner (or the guy he should replace as opener) kept changing time to time.

Once for the final time - he should be better as ODI opener for his strengths & weakness (being less exposed). His strengths are his touch, timing & placement against new ball - he is a proper batsman who can punish most loose balls and he is someone who can convert a start into match winning 125+. Batting in PP is not about slogging, rather punishing loose balls (regardless of how many wickets are down - a four ball has to go to ropes), and teams best batsman should get the highest chance to play most of 300 balls. I don't believe in this power hitting issue - even if so, it's better for him to bat the earliest. Besides, in PP, rotating strike is equally important, otherwise team will keep losing wickets, one can't ride on boundaries only, which FZ's struggle should explain everyone here. His back-foot game is good, balance is great and wrist-work is outstanding - no reason why he shouldn't reach 35 in PP, only from punishing 5-6 loose balls and placing singles. These days, teams are forced to keep 5 men in ring for 40 overs, which makes it even easier for quality batsmen - look at Sharmas % of boundaries & sixes, but that doesn't make him so difficult to contain, rather it's his ability to back SIX & fours with constant singles that allows him to build daddy hundreds - Rohit Sharma should be Babar's idol in ODI cricket.

Weakness is, he is still poor against spin, remarkably against off-spin for a right hander & he plays for his numbers (no offense, he is not the only one). Making him opener allows him to get set before the spinners are on (Captains can open with spinners, which is even better if so - it takes new ball out of pacers & spinners will consume some of their quota before the ball stats to grip & bite. I put an analysis on his comparative SR by quarters (0-25, 25-50, 50-75, 75-100 & 100+) - he is remarkably slow (comparatively) in Q4. No brainier that a batsman should score faster between 75-100 than 0-25 after spending 2 hours in middle; but it's in context of team's scoring rate (PAK's scoring rate during his 5 quarters - obviously team's scoring rate in between 35-50 overs will also be much higher than between 11-35), he is considerably slower in that 4th Quarter, which is hurting PAK often & his remarkable acceleration after reaching 100, suggests his ability is better than his 4th quarter show. This is something he needs to improve, but making him opener allows him to reach that 4th quarter by 30th over - rest you can understand.

Coming to line-up, I'll still say - Imam doesn't make my ODI squad. He was pathetic in the SF & Final of QeA Cup. Don't go for that 87 in SF - he was like 15 (30) in PP, Jamal Anwar kept the rate up, later being caught-up by Imam because Imam is a far better batsman than Jamal. This can work in PAK domestics but not in Internationals - Imam successfully managed to take an asking to double by 41st over against a depleted attack, against whom few days later, ZIM put 290 for 5, batting first without dew.

I would pick Haris or Amin as opener instead, but that's not happening - so Imam opens with Babar & FZ bats at 3, followed by Hafeez, Malik & Captain (Or Rizwan). MoHa has changed to Hafeez - won't get hurt this time; also he had a reality check that in PCT he is to survive on field now. I am sure he won't mind batting at 4 and play the Javed role of 1992 (definitely can try, playing Javed role demands to be closer to Javed as well in ability as well, like Josh Butler role needs to be played by someone remotely close to Josh Butler). Or FZ even can bat at 4, which nicely spreads out the 2 left-handed batsmen among top 6.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] so basically playing him as an opener give you another advantage of playing Fakhar at 3.
 
He has been give a very challenging role of taking the charge to the bowlers, which are generally the best bowlers in the opposition. Due to this he is not going to be successful every time and would struggle a few times as well. He is not allowed the luxury to build his innings like Babar Azam. I think he is doing good so far!!
 
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