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Mumbai Indians finished at the bottom of the iPL table with Bumrah/Pandya/Rohit/SKY
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Does India’s cricket success depends solely on Jasprit Bumrah?
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Australia is the only doubt I have. Bumrah over Cummins is an improvement but not enough to transform the team. They're strong and they would become stronger.
England and South Africa though would be completely transformed and move to the next level.
There was internal conflict going on. Mi weren't mentally present. Too much distractions and that affected pandya's captaincy.Mumbai Indians finished at the bottom of the iPL table with Bumrah/Pandya/Rohit/SKY
Easily yes.
But bumrah'a quality is so good that even if he played for bangladesh or Afghans he can take them to super 8s or semis even.
Between 2021 and 2024 WT20 Indo-Pak encounters, seven out of playing XI were same for both India and Pak.
Every single Indian player from 2021 has upskilled, developed, improved or retooled their games despite injury setbacks/advancing age.
Every single Pak player from 2021 has degraded or stagnated since that game.
I can understand any one team being better than other on given day or over a period of time because of better skills, peaking players etc. but hard to accept or understand how a reasonably young and on the rise 2021 Pak team goes from 152/0 to where they are today.
Don't tell me that team culture, board backing, overall vision of team management and selection panel don't play a big role in this.
Success of ICT is tribute to efforts of Rohit, Kohli, Dravid, Agarkar, Laxman at NCA and non interference of administrators like Jay Shah/Roger Binny in cricketing matters.
Downfall of PCT also has many fathers. Musical chairs of PCB chairmen and their politicking, lack of term vision and incapability of selection panels, lack of planning, direction and team building from Babar/Rizwan, zoom coaching of Mickey Arthur etc.
Every single Indian player from 2021 has upskilled, developed, improved or retooled their games despite injury setbacks/advancing age.
Every single Pak player from 2021 has degraded or stagnated since that game.
I can understand any one team being better than other on given day or over a period of time because of better skills, peaking players etc. but hard to accept or understand how a reasonably young and on the rise 2021 Pak team goes from 152/0 to where they are today.
Don't tell me that team culture, board backing, overall vision of team management and selection panel don't play a big role in this.
Success of ICT is tribute to efforts of Rohit, Kohli, Dravid, Agarkar, Laxman at NCA and non interference of administrators like Jay Shah/Roger Binny in cricketing matters.
Downfall of PCT also has many fathers. Musical chairs of PCB chairmen and their politicking, lack of term vision and incapability of selection panels, lack of planning, direction and team building from Babar/Rizwan, zoom coaching of Mickey Arthur etc.
Yes and Shastri too. His impact has been unbelievable and set in motion a culture of self improvement.
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I think you need to watch more cricket and specifically study the bowling length and variation analysis of some of the best bowlers for whom such analysis is available, before you offer any opinions.
Your statement of comparing malinga to bumrah reeks of inexperience. Malinga was deceptive for his sling shot action and that delivered from a low height there was lateral movement through the air. Bumrah’s ball grip is visible when his hand is high above his hand, the pace is from the arm rotation and his generates movement off the surface.
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Bumrah is India's cheat code. The closest analogy wud be what McGrath was to Australia in late 90s & early 2000s
While both McGrath & Shane Warne were exceptional, it was McGrath who made the bigger difference. Australia won 2003 WC without Warne - bcoz McGrath was exceptional. The 2005 Ashes which Australia lost - McGrath both tests that Australia lost while Warne played all 5. The 2003-04 Border Gavaskar series that India famously drew 1-1 was also largely bcoz McGrath missed due to injury
Bumrah is pretty much the same player now. India is a different beast with him in the team
While both McGrath & Shane Warne were exceptional, it was McGrath who made the bigger difference. Australia won 2003 WC without Warne - bcoz McGrath was exceptional. The 2005 Ashes which Australia lost - McGrath both tests that Australia lost while Warne played all 5. The 2003-04 Border Gavaskar series that India famously drew 1-1 was also largely bcoz McGrath missed due to injury
Bumrah is pretty much the same player now. India is a different beast with him in the team
Your comment reeks of emotions and coming to quick conclusions and lack of coherent understanding of what I have said.
I am not equating Malinga's bowling action with Bumrah's but more on what they bring to the table. Both are quite hard to read and if you disagree with that then I think you haven't ever played cricket.
1. Bowling Style: Both are known for their unique and unconventional bowling actions. Bumrah's slinging arm action and Malinga's round-arm action make them stand out and difficult for batsmen to pick.
2. Yorkers: They are both renowned for their ability to bowl accurate yorkers, especially in the death overs. Their pinpoint accuracy in delivering yorkers has made them lethal in limited-overs cricket.
3. Death Bowling: Both excel in death bowling, with the ability to control runs and take crucial wickets in the final overs of a match. Their skill in this aspect has made them go-to bowlers for their respective teams during tight situations.
4. T20 Specialists: Bumrah and Malinga have made significant impacts in T20 cricket, both in the Indian Premier League (IPL) and respective national teams. Malinga is one of the highest wicket-takers in IPL history, and Bumrah has been instrumental in Mumbai Indians' and Team India's successes.
5. Variations:They possess a variety of deliveries, including slower balls, bouncers, and cutters, which they use effectively to deceive batsmen.
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I have not heard anyone calling Bumrah T20 specialist. Yes, He is the best bowler in T20, but he is argubly the best bowler in test format as well. His average in test is 20 with sernsational spells in Aus, SA, Eng... In ODi , he is right up there as well.
Bumrah has made a significant impact in all formats. T20 specialist is not the world for such players.
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His SR in test is 45.
Thanks. I stand corrected. However the current SA bowlers have a leg up in SR.
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That's due to playing in very pacer's friendly pitches in SA majority of games. For Example Rabada's home games SR is 33 vs away games being 49 in the last 10 years.
In the last 10 years, only 5-6 bowlers have taken more than 50 away wickets below SR of 50. Top two in SR are Starc and Bumrah.
You haven't watched any test matches that Bumrah played in India and abroad
Bumrah would be a timid bowler if he played for Bangladesh. Look what BD did to.our dear old Fizz. Afghanistan has poor batting middle order. Bowling is not their issue. Aus, SA would crush teams with Bumrah just as India is crushing other teams. Eng has a fragile batting order
I think it is fair to say that Bumrah is the most crucial member of our team but again it is not without other contributors who are match winners as well. When we talk about Sachin in the 90's people talk about how India did not win a lot, that is because it was Sachin or bust at that time. It is not the same right now, we have bowlers and batters who can win without the top players not contributing. For example against Bangladesh, India were 77/3 with Surya, Kohli and Rohit gone and still ended up with 196 runs. Also in the bowling Kuldeep, Axar, Arshdeep & Pandya were brilliant at various stages.
The one thing we can't deny though that at the back end of the innings, the batters tend to overcompensate against other bowlers because they know that the 2 overs of Bumrah is almost impossible to hit. This causes batters to play some ridiculous shots. The shot of Klassen I feel in the finals was the same, he probably wanted to finish the game in that over from Hardik and perished. It was a very good ball from Hardik though. The impact of Bumrah more than the great skills he possesses is causing the batters resign to the fact that they cannot score of him and attack the others. India surely is not a one bowler or batter team anymore.
The one thing we can't deny though that at the back end of the innings, the batters tend to overcompensate against other bowlers because they know that the 2 overs of Bumrah is almost impossible to hit. This causes batters to play some ridiculous shots. The shot of Klassen I feel in the finals was the same, he probably wanted to finish the game in that over from Hardik and perished. It was a very good ball from Hardik though. The impact of Bumrah more than the great skills he possesses is causing the batters resign to the fact that they cannot score of him and attack the others. India surely is not a one bowler or batter team anymore.
Australia drawing that series had nothing to do with McGrath missing. Their batting was still full strength and they managed to collapse in the second innings in Adelaide to an incredible spell by Agarkar. To be frank even though McGrath had a great record in ODIs, Shane Warne was more clutch and performed in high pressure games when Aussies were in trouble. They also had Damien Fleming, Jason Gillespie etc who were equally brilliant in white ball format. For example semi-finals 1996, WI were cruising at 160/2 chasing 208 to win, Shane Warne came and turned the game around. 1999 semi-finals, McGrath did not do anything with the new ball, SA were cruising 48/0 chasing 213 when Warne came into the attack and reduced them to 62/4.
Again I am not saying that McGrath wasn't great but Australia could still win without him as they had other clutch bowlers. In Tests I agree that McGrath was a huge loss to Australia but in White ball he wasn't. Bumrah surely has more impact in White ball format than McGrath.
I would say he is the biggest factor. Our batting has always been world class. Bowling was mediocre.
Now bowling has over taken our batting. That means success.
India should have won worldcup in 2023 too. It was pure bad luck. That Indian team would beat Aussies 7 out of 10 times.
India never had a bowler that they can trust to both get wickets as well as contain runs. With Bumrah, India has 2 in 1 bowler. A great bowler in the making. Just 2 more years of this dominance and he will become a legend.
Now bowling has over taken our batting. That means success.
India should have won worldcup in 2023 too. It was pure bad luck. That Indian team would beat Aussies 7 out of 10 times.
India never had a bowler that they can trust to both get wickets as well as contain runs. With Bumrah, India has 2 in 1 bowler. A great bowler in the making. Just 2 more years of this dominance and he will become a legend.
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Not solely but he plays a massive role in winning games for India maybe more than 70% of the team.
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Simple answer will be YES in 9 out of 10 cases.
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Saying their bowling is zero is a bit too harsh.
Pandya is a terrific middle over bowler, Shami is a lethal opening bowler, Kuldeep has lost form a but but usually he's a terrific spinner. Arshdeep needs to improve though and so does siraj who have faltered. But their not bad bowlers by any means.
India is not the unbeatable team that fans think they are because their some people comparing them to Classic Australia but their not a phatta team.
This sri Lankan series is meaningless, the mentality over here is not the same as the mentality in world cups.
India with a much weaker 2022 team reached semi's because they were switched on for a cup.
Again are they unbeatable? No
Is Bumrah their biggest asset? Yes
Are they a minnow and zero without Bumrah? Hell no
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Nope, the loss in Sri Lanka was down to turning tracks. Hardly any batsman in modern era can score runs on turning tracks. Bumrah won't have made much difference because ultimately batsman have to score runs.
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There is always this case with generational talents who cannot be easily replaced.
We are fortunate to be having Bumrah for now but if we want to be a great team in the future we need to find people like him.
Having said that we won in 1983, 2007, 2011, 2013 without Bumrah.
We are fortunate to be having Bumrah for now but if we want to be a great team in the future we need to find people like him.
Having said that we won in 1983, 2007, 2011, 2013 without Bumrah.
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What did we won in 2013?
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India won the Champions Trophy Bro.
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No, we have Shami who wasn’t playing, Indian TM is not giving proper chances to our new pacers.
Rana should have played ahead of Arshdeep who is just a t20 bowler, Siraj can never be a lead attacking bowler he will thrive when he has the supporting role.
Bumrah, Siraj will remain constant for next 3-4 years, we need to groom Harshit Rana, Kartik Tyagi, Akashdeep, Kuldeep Sen and Mayank.
Rana should have played ahead of Arshdeep who is just a t20 bowler, Siraj can never be a lead attacking bowler he will thrive when he has the supporting role.
Bumrah, Siraj will remain constant for next 3-4 years, we need to groom Harshit Rana, Kartik Tyagi, Akashdeep, Kuldeep Sen and Mayank.
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Yes, it's clear that Jasprit Bumrah is a special talent for India. His heroic spell in the final of the ICC T20 World Cup 2024 was exceptional, as he snatched the match from South Africa. It was one of the best spells I have ever seen.
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In a video that has gone viral on social media, Bumrah was asked "if there is any batsman who he thinks has been tough to bowl to." His response truly showed the exemplary mind he has.
"Look I want to give a good answer but the real factor is that I don't want anyone to take over me in my head because obviously I respect everyone, but in my head I tell myself that if I do my job well, there's nobody in the world who can stop me.
"So I look at myself rather than the opponent so if I think that I have control over everything and if I give myself the best opportunity, everything else will take care of itself rather than giving the power to the batsman that he'll get the better of me and he's better than me, so that I don't want to," he said in response.
Source: NDTV
"Look I want to give a good answer but the real factor is that I don't want anyone to take over me in my head because obviously I respect everyone, but in my head I tell myself that if I do my job well, there's nobody in the world who can stop me.
"So I look at myself rather than the opponent so if I think that I have control over everything and if I give myself the best opportunity, everything else will take care of itself rather than giving the power to the batsman that he'll get the better of me and he's better than me, so that I don't want to," he said in response.
Source: NDTV
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Seeing how Bumrah has done after injury compared to Shaheen, credit to Bumrah but he is also managed by BCCI 2.0 that seem to be better at this.
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Infact he has improved surprisingly
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