Does India’s cricket success depends solely on Jasprit Bumrah?

South africa England Australia would easily crush teams if they had bumrah.

Bangladesh would make it to super 8s even.

Afghan could potentially reach semis again.
Australia is the only doubt I have. Bumrah over Cummins is an improvement but not enough to transform the team. They're strong and they would become stronger.

England and South Africa though would be completely transformed and move to the next level.
 
Mumbai Indians finished at the bottom of the iPL table with Bumrah/Pandya/Rohit/SKY :LOL:
There was internal conflict going on. Mi weren't mentally present. Too much distractions and that affected pandya's captaincy.
 
Australia is the only doubt I have. Bumrah over Cummins is an improvement but not enough to transform the team. They're strong and they would become stronger.

England and South Africa though would be completely transformed and move to the next level.
Easily yes.

But bumrah'a quality is so good that even if he played for bangladesh or Afghans he can take them to super 8s or semis even.
 
Between 2021 and 2024 WT20 Indo-Pak encounters, seven out of playing XI were same for both India and Pak.

Every single Indian player from 2021 has upskilled, developed, improved or retooled their games despite injury setbacks/advancing age.

Every single Pak player from 2021 has degraded or stagnated since that game.

I can understand any one team being better than other on given day or over a period of time because of better skills, peaking players etc. but hard to accept or understand how a reasonably young and on the rise 2021 Pak team goes from 152/0 to where they are today.

Don't tell me that team culture, board backing, overall vision of team management and selection panel don't play a big role in this.
Success of ICT is tribute to efforts of Rohit, Kohli, Dravid, Agarkar, Laxman at NCA and non interference of administrators like Jay Shah/Roger Binny in cricketing matters.

Downfall of PCT also has many fathers. Musical chairs of PCB chairmen and their politicking, lack of term vision and incapability of selection panels, lack of planning, direction and team building from Babar/Rizwan, zoom coaching of Mickey Arthur etc.
 
Between 2021 and 2024 WT20 Indo-Pak encounters, seven out of playing XI were same for both India and Pak.

Every single Indian player from 2021 has upskilled, developed, improved or retooled their games despite injury setbacks/advancing age.

Every single Pak player from 2021 has degraded or stagnated since that game.

I can understand any one team being better than other on given day or over a period of time because of better skills, peaking players etc. but hard to accept or understand how a reasonably young and on the rise 2021 Pak team goes from 152/0 to where they are today.

Don't tell me that team culture, board backing, overall vision of team management and selection panel don't play a big role in this.
Success of ICT is tribute to efforts of Rohit, Kohli, Dravid, Agarkar, Laxman at NCA and non interference of administrators like Jay Shah/Roger Binny in cricketing matters.

Downfall of PCT also has many fathers. Musical chairs of PCB chairmen and their politicking, lack of term vision and incapability of selection panels, lack of planning, direction and team building from Babar/Rizwan, zoom coaching of Mickey Arthur etc.
Yes and Shastri too. His impact has been unbelievable and set in motion a culture of self improvement.
 
In white ball cricket, especially T20I, Jasprit Bumrah is undoubtedly a clutch player for India. His precision, consistency, and ability to deliver under pressure have made him a key contributor to India's recent success, including their triumph in the 2024 T20I World Cup.

However, in Tests and to some extent in ODIs, Bumrah's approach needs to be less defensive. While he maintains an excellent economy rate and a commendable average in Tests, his strike rate could benefit from being reduced to below 50. This would require him to take more risks, which might impact his average but would increase his wicket taking ability.

Bumrah has a tendency to bowl looseners when hunting for wickets. For instance, his deliveries to Rizwan and Iftikhar were subpar and could have been easily dispatched. Nonetheless, the pressure he builds with his dot balls often forces batsmen into playing error shots, leading to their dismissals.

In essence, Bumrah is a second coming of Lasith Malinga, with a deceptive bowling action that makes his deliveries hard to read. This characteristic, combined with his skill and strategic play, makes his role as a very valuable player in India's bowling attack across all formats.
I think you need to watch more cricket and specifically study the bowling length and variation analysis of some of the best bowlers for whom such analysis is available, before you offer any opinions.

Your statement of comparing malinga to bumrah reeks of inexperience. Malinga was deceptive for his sling shot action and that delivered from a low height there was lateral movement through the air. Bumrah’s ball grip is visible when his hand is high above his hand, the pace is from the arm rotation and his generates movement off the surface.
 
Bumrah is India's cheat code. The closest analogy wud be what McGrath was to Australia in late 90s & early 2000s

While both McGrath & Shane Warne were exceptional, it was McGrath who made the bigger difference. Australia won 2003 WC without Warne - bcoz McGrath was exceptional. The 2005 Ashes which Australia lost - McGrath both tests that Australia lost while Warne played all 5. The 2003-04 Border Gavaskar series that India famously drew 1-1 was also largely bcoz McGrath missed due to injury

Bumrah is pretty much the same player now. India is a different beast with him in the team
 
I think you need to watch more cricket and specifically study the bowling length and variation analysis of some of the best bowlers for whom such analysis is available, before you offer any opinions.

Your statement of comparing malinga to bumrah reeks of inexperience. Malinga was deceptive for his sling shot action and that delivered from a low height there was lateral movement through the air. Bumrah’s ball grip is visible when his hand is high above his hand, the pace is from the arm rotation and his generates movement off the surface.
Your comment reeks of emotions and coming to quick conclusions and lack of coherent understanding of what I have said.

I am not equating Malinga's bowling action with Bumrah's but more on what they bring to the table. Both are quite hard to read and if you disagree with that then I think you haven't ever played cricket.

1. Bowling Style: Both are known for their unique and unconventional bowling actions. Bumrah's slinging arm action and Malinga's round-arm action make them stand out and difficult for batsmen to pick.

2. Yorkers: They are both renowned for their ability to bowl accurate yorkers, especially in the death overs. Their pinpoint accuracy in delivering yorkers has made them lethal in limited-overs cricket.

3. Death Bowling: Both excel in death bowling, with the ability to control runs and take crucial wickets in the final overs of a match. Their skill in this aspect has made them go-to bowlers for their respective teams during tight situations.

4. T20 Specialists: Bumrah and Malinga have made significant impacts in T20 cricket, both in the Indian Premier League (IPL) and respective national teams. Malinga is one of the highest wicket-takers in IPL history, and Bumrah has been instrumental in Mumbai Indians' and Team India's successes.

5. Variations:They possess a variety of deliveries, including slower balls, bouncers, and cutters, which they use effectively to deceive batsmen.
 
Your comment reeks of emotions and coming to quick conclusions and lack of coherent understanding of what I have said.

I am not equating Malinga's bowling action with Bumrah's but more on what they bring to the table. Both are quite hard to read and if you disagree with that then I think you haven't ever played cricket.

1. Bowling Style: Both are known for their unique and unconventional bowling actions. Bumrah's slinging arm action and Malinga's round-arm action make them stand out and difficult for batsmen to pick.

2. Yorkers: They are both renowned for their ability to bowl accurate yorkers, especially in the death overs. Their pinpoint accuracy in delivering yorkers has made them lethal in limited-overs cricket.

3. Death Bowling: Both excel in death bowling, with the ability to control runs and take crucial wickets in the final overs of a match. Their skill in this aspect has made them go-to bowlers for their respective teams during tight situations.

4. T20 Specialists: Bumrah and Malinga have made significant impacts in T20 cricket, both in the Indian Premier League (IPL) and respective national teams. Malinga is one of the highest wicket-takers in IPL history, and Bumrah has been instrumental in Mumbai Indians' and Team India's successes.

5. Variations:They possess a variety of deliveries, including slower balls, bouncers, and cutters, which they use effectively to deceive batsmen.
I have not heard anyone calling Bumrah T20 specialist. Yes, He is the best bowler in T20, but he is argubly the best bowler in test format as well. His average in test is 20 with sernsational spells in Aus, SA, Eng... In ODi , he is right up there as well.

Bumrah has made a significant impact in all formats. T20 specialist is not the world for such players.
 
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In white ball cricket, especially T20I, Jasprit Bumrah is undoubtedly a clutch player for India. His precision, consistency, and ability to deliver under pressure have made him a key contributor to India's recent success, including their triumph in the 2024 T20I World Cup.

However, in Tests and to some extent in ODIs, Bumrah's approach needs to be less defensive. While he maintains an excellent economy rate and a commendable average in Tests, his strike rate could benefit from being reduced to below 50. This would require him to take more risks, which might impact his average but would increase his wicket taking ability.

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His SR in test is 45.
 
Thanks. I stand corrected. However the current SA bowlers have a leg up in SR.
That's due to playing in very pacer's friendly pitches in SA majority of games. For Example Rabada's home games SR is 33 vs away games being 49 in the last 10 years.

In the last 10 years, only 5-6 bowlers have taken more than 50 away wickets below SR of 50. Top two in SR are Starc and Bumrah.
 
Your comment reeks of emotions and coming to quick conclusions and lack of coherent understanding of what I have said.

I am not equating Malinga's bowling action with Bumrah's but more on what they bring to the table. Both are quite hard to read and if you disagree with that then I think you haven't ever played cricket.

1. Bowling Style: Both are known for their unique and unconventional bowling actions. Bumrah's slinging arm action and Malinga's round-arm action make them stand out and difficult for batsmen to pick.

2. Yorkers: They are both renowned for their ability to bowl accurate yorkers, especially in the death overs. Their pinpoint accuracy in delivering yorkers has made them lethal in limited-overs cricket.

3. Death Bowling: Both excel in death bowling, with the ability to control runs and take crucial wickets in the final overs of a match. Their skill in this aspect has made them go-to bowlers for their respective teams during tight situations.

4. T20 Specialists: Bumrah and Malinga have made significant impacts in T20 cricket, both in the Indian Premier League (IPL) and respective national teams. Malinga is one of the highest wicket-takers in IPL history, and Bumrah has been instrumental in Mumbai Indians' and Team India's successes.

5. Variations:They possess a variety of deliveries, including slower balls, bouncers, and cutters, which they use effectively to deceive batsmen.
You haven't watched any test matches that Bumrah played in India and abroad
 
South africa England Australia would easily crush teams if they had bumrah.

Bangladesh would make it to super 8s even.

Afghan could potentially reach semis again.
Bumrah would be a timid bowler if he played for Bangladesh. Look what BD did to.our dear old Fizz. Afghanistan has poor batting middle order. Bowling is not their issue. Aus, SA would crush teams with Bumrah just as India is crushing other teams. Eng has a fragile batting order
 
I think it is fair to say that Bumrah is the most crucial member of our team but again it is not without other contributors who are match winners as well. When we talk about Sachin in the 90's people talk about how India did not win a lot, that is because it was Sachin or bust at that time. It is not the same right now, we have bowlers and batters who can win without the top players not contributing. For example against Bangladesh, India were 77/3 with Surya, Kohli and Rohit gone and still ended up with 196 runs. Also in the bowling Kuldeep, Axar, Arshdeep & Pandya were brilliant at various stages.

The one thing we can't deny though that at the back end of the innings, the batters tend to overcompensate against other bowlers because they know that the 2 overs of Bumrah is almost impossible to hit. This causes batters to play some ridiculous shots. The shot of Klassen I feel in the finals was the same, he probably wanted to finish the game in that over from Hardik and perished. It was a very good ball from Hardik though. The impact of Bumrah more than the great skills he possesses is causing the batters resign to the fact that they cannot score of him and attack the others. India surely is not a one bowler or batter team anymore.
 
Is there anything to back this up ?

I remember how Aussies went down several notches as a team and almost managed to lose a home series to India with likes of Nehra and Agarkar back in 2004 - with no McGrath and Warne playing.

Not to mention how they managed to lose Edgbastion in 2005 with McGrath injured and subsequently went on to lose the test series.

Aus won 84 and lost only 20 and drew 20 when McGrath was playing. Win Loss ratio of 4.2.
Without him during the same period, Aus won 18, lost 8 and drew 7. Win Loss ratio nearly halved to 2.2.
Australia drawing that series had nothing to do with McGrath missing. Their batting was still full strength and they managed to collapse in the second innings in Adelaide to an incredible spell by Agarkar. To be frank even though McGrath had a great record in ODIs, Shane Warne was more clutch and performed in high pressure games when Aussies were in trouble. They also had Damien Fleming, Jason Gillespie etc who were equally brilliant in white ball format. For example semi-finals 1996, WI were cruising at 160/2 chasing 208 to win, Shane Warne came and turned the game around. 1999 semi-finals, McGrath did not do anything with the new ball, SA were cruising 48/0 chasing 213 when Warne came into the attack and reduced them to 62/4.

Again I am not saying that McGrath wasn't great but Australia could still win without him as they had other clutch bowlers. In Tests I agree that McGrath was a huge loss to Australia but in White ball he wasn't. Bumrah surely has more impact in White ball format than McGrath.
 
I would say he is the biggest factor. Our batting has always been world class. Bowling was mediocre.

Now bowling has over taken our batting. That means success.

India should have won worldcup in 2023 too. It was pure bad luck. That Indian team would beat Aussies 7 out of 10 times.

India never had a bowler that they can trust to both get wickets as well as contain runs. With Bumrah, India has 2 in 1 bowler. A great bowler in the making. Just 2 more years of this dominance and he will become a legend.
 
Not solely but he plays a massive role in winning games for India maybe more than 70% of the team.
 
Bumrah is the biggest asset they have currently. Big time match winner.
 
Simple answer will be YES in 9 out of 10 cases.

Saying their bowling is zero is a bit too harsh.

Pandya is a terrific middle over bowler, Shami is a lethal opening bowler, Kuldeep has lost form a but but usually he's a terrific spinner. Arshdeep needs to improve though and so does siraj who have faltered. But their not bad bowlers by any means.

India is not the unbeatable team that fans think they are because their some people comparing them to Classic Australia but their not a phatta team.

This sri Lankan series is meaningless, the mentality over here is not the same as the mentality in world cups.

India with a much weaker 2022 team reached semi's because they were switched on for a cup.

Again are they unbeatable? No
Is Bumrah their biggest asset? Yes
Are they a minnow and zero without Bumrah? Hell no
 
Nope, the loss in Sri Lanka was down to turning tracks. Hardly any batsman in modern era can score runs on turning tracks. Bumrah won't have made much difference because ultimately batsman have to score runs.
 
There is always this case with generational talents who cannot be easily replaced.

We are fortunate to be having Bumrah for now but if we want to be a great team in the future we need to find people like him.

Having said that we won in 1983, 2007, 2011, 2013 without Bumrah.
 
There is always this case with generational talents who cannot be easily replaced.

We are fortunate to be having Bumrah for now but if we want to be a great team in the future we need to find people like him.

Having said that we won in 1983, 2007, 2011, 2013 without Bumrah.

What did we won in 2013?
 
No, we have Shami who wasn’t playing, Indian TM is not giving proper chances to our new pacers.

Rana should have played ahead of Arshdeep who is just a t20 bowler, Siraj can never be a lead attacking bowler he will thrive when he has the supporting role.

Bumrah, Siraj will remain constant for next 3-4 years, we need to groom Harshit Rana, Kartik Tyagi, Akashdeep, Kuldeep Sen and Mayank.
 
Yes, it's clear that Jasprit Bumrah is a special talent for India. His heroic spell in the final of the ICC T20 World Cup 2024 was exceptional, as he snatched the match from South Africa. It was one of the best spells I have ever seen.
 
In a video that has gone viral on social media, Bumrah was asked "if there is any batsman who he thinks has been tough to bowl to." His response truly showed the exemplary mind he has.

"Look I want to give a good answer but the real factor is that I don't want anyone to take over me in my head because obviously I respect everyone, but in my head I tell myself that if I do my job well, there's nobody in the world who can stop me.

"So I look at myself rather than the opponent so if I think that I have control over everything and if I give myself the best opportunity, everything else will take care of itself rather than giving the power to the batsman that he'll get the better of me and he's better than me, so that I don't want to," he said in response.

Source: NDTV
 
Seeing how Bumrah has done after injury compared to Shaheen, credit to Bumrah but he is also managed by BCCI 2.0 that seem to be better at this.
 
I found out today that Bumrah is a non-vegetarian. He eats meats.

It is difficult to be a good fast bowler as a vegetarian. You need to eat meat to succeed.

Good for Bumrah I guess.
 
In white ball cricket, especially T20I, Jasprit Bumrah is undoubtedly a clutch player for India. His precision, consistency, and ability to deliver under pressure have made him a key contributor to India's recent success, including their triumph in the 2024 T20I World Cup.

However, in Tests and to some extent in ODIs, Bumrah's approach needs to be less defensive. While he maintains an excellent economy rate and a commendable average in Tests, his strike rate could benefit from being reduced to below 50. This would require him to take more risks, which might impact his average but would increase his wicket taking ability.

Bumrah has a tendency to bowl looseners when hunting for wickets. For instance, his deliveries to Rizwan and Iftikhar were subpar and could have been easily dispatched. Nonetheless, the pressure he builds with his dot balls often forces batsmen into playing error shots, leading to their dismissals.

In essence, Bumrah is a second coming of Lasith Malinga, with a deceptive bowling action that makes his deliveries hard to read. This characteristic, combined with his skill and strategic play, makes his role as a very valuable player in India's bowling attack across all formats.
I don't know where you are getting this information. Jasprit Bumrah's average in Tests in 20.6 and a SR of 45, he is pretty aggressive in Tests.
 
I found out today that Bumrah is a non-vegetarian. He eats meats.

It is difficult to be a good fast bowler as a vegetarian. You need to eat meat to succeed.

Good for Bumrah I guess.
Which bowler is even vegetarian that had success? Averaged under 26 atleast ? Don't recall any.

I do remember middle being a sub 30 bowler when he ate meat but then went down to average mediocre bowler once he became vegan he was crap
 
Ravichandran Ashwin has picked Jasprit Bumrah as India's most valuable currently, he said during a chat with a local Youtube channel:

"We Chennai people appreciate bowlers a lot. He was here for an event as a chief guest 4-5 days ago. We gave him a Rajni treatment. We (Chennai people) treat bowlers very nicely. He should be treated as a champion. I don’t want to name, but Jasprit Bumrah is the most valuable Indian cricketer right now."
 
Ravichandran Ashwin has picked Jasprit Bumrah as India's most valuable currently, he said during a chat with a local Youtube channel:

"We Chennai people appreciate bowlers a lot. He was here for an event as a chief guest 4-5 days ago. We gave him a Rajni treatment. We (Chennai people) treat bowlers very nicely. He should be treated as a champion. I don’t want to name, but Jasprit Bumrah is the most valuable Indian cricketer right now."
Yet chennai or TN couldn't produce one fast bowler for their country since TA shekar.
 
Yet chennai or TN couldn't produce one fast bowler for their country since TA shekar.
May be they appreciate fast bowlers because they don't produce much? L Balaji was from TN as well and he did well in the limited opportunities he got. Chennai is not known for pacers and are known more for Spin and good batters. Even now Tamil Nadu Ranji is dominated by spinners like Sai Kishore. P
 
Without Bumrah, India may lose more often.

India rested Bumrah in SL and BD. India lost both ODI series.

Bumrah is the difference between India being a top 3 team and a mid-tier team.
 
Simple answer to OP is a big NO. Indians cricket success does not solely depend on Bumrah.

India won't be the best test team without Bumrah because he has contributed massively to wins in Aus, Eng, SA etc but without Bumrah India has W/L of 6 after 2016. That is just massive. How many teams in history have 6 plus W/L ratio? Yes, it's home domination, but all teams play at home and they don't get W/L of 6 due to dominating at home.

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Simple answer to OP is a big NO. Indians cricket success does not solely depend on Bumrah.

India won't be the best test team without Bumrah because he has contributed massively to wins in Aus, Eng, SA etc but without Bumrah India has W/L of 6 after 2016. That is just massive. How many teams in history have 6 plus W/L ratio? Yes, it's home domination, but all teams play at home and they don't get W/L of 6 due to dominating at home.

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That's insane. That's better than dale steyn.
 
Without Bumrah, India may lose more often.

India rested Bumrah in SL and BD. India lost both ODI series.

Bumrah is the difference between India being a top 3 team and a mid-tier team.
But this applies to most big teams. Take mcgrath out of 2000 era Aussies and they will lose top sides more often.

Same with SA withour steyn

Same with aus without Cummins

Same with nz without bond

But India will still have quality bowlers coming through. So I don't think they will struggle at all. Gabba win happened without bumrah. So it's certainly possible that India will be just fine without him too. In tests.

In LOI yes he is needed but again we do have good bowling talent coming through
 
That's insane. That's better than dale steyn.
Stats are for tests when Bumrah did not play and still India got W/L of 6. Not sure about connection with Steyn here.
 
Stats are for tests when Bumrah did not play and still India got W/L of 6. Not sure about connection with Steyn here.
Ah sorry my bad. I thought it was for when bumrah played.
Can we do like a bumrah vs steyn comparison for win/L when both played for their respective teams?
 
Ah sorry my bad. I thought it was for when bumrah played.
Can we do like a bumrah vs steyn comparison for win/L when both played for their respective teams?
Indian W/L when Bumrah played - 1
SA W/L when Steyn played - 2

There is one huge flaw with comparison.

Steyn played 50 plus tests at home out of 93 tests.
Bumrah has played only 8 out of 36 tests at home.

Both teams won heavily at home, infact Indians won more at home, but Bumrah did not play those games.
 
Indian W/L when Bumrah played - 1
SA W/L when Steyn played - 2

There is one huge flaw with comparison.

Steyn played 50 plus tests at home out of 93 tests.
Bumrah has played only 8 out of 36 tests at home.

Both teams won heavily at home, infact Indians won more at home, but Bumrah did not play those games.

More proper comparison will be taking 5-fers in wins agasint the top 5 sides in their dens. This eliminates the home criterion. Doing well and contributing in wins away against strong oppositions is true tests for bowlers. Less so for batsmen because they can't win despite piling thousands of runs, but bowlers can pick up 20 wickets to win tests.

Look at 5-fers in wins against top 5 in their den:

Steyn has 6 in entire career. McGrath has only 5 despite playing 100 plus tests. Both of them had very good team backing them and yet they had so few 5-fers in wins in these coutries. It's actually very hard to bowl match changing spells against stronger teams in their dens consistently. It's hard for even really gun bowlers like McGrath and Steyn with great teams behind them.

That's why I rate Bumrah very high. If he bowls couple of more match changing 5-fers away in these countries and takes 250 wickets, then he will among the top in history. Impact wise , he is already among the best in history despite having short career.

You will note that Marshall is in top. Yes, he has half of them in Eng, but rest came in India, Pakistan, Aus... There is a reaosn that Marshall is rated as the best test bowler in history by most fans.Just taking 5-fers in win and being ordinary in rest won't cut it. Marshall was gun in his entire career. Steyn , Mcgrath were gun in entire career. If Bumrah can do it for 3-4 more years, he will join that league.

I eliminated WI despite being top team during first half of McGrath to keep the filter simple. It's not for really comparing bowlers, but just to put my point about difficulty of consitently contributing in wins in strong opposition's den.




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11 ... Just 11 bowlers have taken 4 or more 5-fers in wins in Eng, Aus, SA, Ind and Pak in the last 50-55 years. It's that hard.

In future, Pakistan may drop out of list of strong test nation, but Pakistan was still among the top 5 test teams till Steyn played.
 
More proper comparison will be taking 5-fers in wins agasint the top 5 sides in their dens. This eliminates the home criterion. Doing well and contributing in wins away against strong oppositions is true tests for bowlers. Less so for batsmen because they can't win despite piling thousands of runs, but bowlers can pick up 20 wickets to win tests.

Look at 5-fers in wins against top 5 in their den:

Steyn has 6 in entire career. McGrath has only 5 despite playing 100 plus tests. Both of them had very good team backing them and yet they had so few 5-fers in wins in these coutries. It's actually very hard to bowl match changing spells against stronger teams in their dens consistently. It's hard for even really gun bowlers like McGrath and Steyn with great teams behind them.

That's why I rate Bumrah very high. If he bowls couple of more match changing 5-fers away in these countries and takes 250 wickets, then he will among the top in history. Impact wise , he is already among the best in history despite having short career.

You will note that Marshall is in top. Yes, he has half of them in Eng, but rest came in India, Pakistan, Aus... There is a reaosn that Marshall is rated as the best test bowler in history by most fans.Just taking 5-fers in win and being ordinary in rest won't cut it. Marshall was gun in his entire career. Steyn , Mcgrath were gun in entire career. If Bumrah can do it for 3-4 more years, he will join that league.

I eliminated WI despite being top team during first half of McGrath to keep the filter simple. It's not for really comparing bowlers, but just to put my point about difficulty of consitently contributing in wins in strong opposition's den.




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That's insane. Plus bumrah doesn't get to stat pad at home on spicy and bouncy pitches.
 
That's insane. Plus bumrah doesn't get to stat pad at home on spicy and bouncy pitches.
Stats was for away against top 5 so no stat padding at home for anyone. This is hardest. No weak teams and no home surface.
 
Forget about wins(it may depends on team backing you). Forget about only looking at away. Just take a look at 5 strongest teams as oppositions. Same set Aus, SA, Eng, Ind, Pak ... Strongest 5 teams when Steyn retired. Includes home and away both with 100 plus wickets.

Marshall still simply comes on top. The best test bowler.

One thing surpised me, Wasim is averaing 28-29 against these 5 teams(home and away both included) That low for some one with Wasim's reputation. I meant, Ambrose, McGrath, Bishop, Walsh, Donald, Pollock all played in the same era as Wasim with average of below 25 agaisnt these 5 oppositions. WI was a top team in 90s so including WI only for Wasim's carrer, he goes a bit lower in average but still in 26-27 range. Low for him for sure. Did not expect that.

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He has been the strongest pillar of Indian cricket for the last 3 or 4 years and he is at his peak now. He was instrumental in many famous wins. Without him, India was not winning the T20 WC. India owes the T20 WC to his brilliant bowling. Rohit was the 2nd best.

The best pacer India has ever produced by a mile.
 
Not solely depends on him but yeah, Bumrah is a key figure for them to dominate actually. Bumrah gives you stability and can make an impact at any stage of the game.
 
Bumrah is cleaning up Kohli in the nets


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Pakistan-born pace bowler Zahoor Khan, who plays for the United Arab Emirates (UAE) in international cricket, has recently made startling claims about Indian pace spearhead Jasprit Bumrah:

“I was with Mumbai Indians for three months. I’ve spent a reasonable amount of time with Rohit Sharma, Hardik Pandya, and Jasprit Bumrah,”

“Bumrah really liked me and even asked me about my bowling grip. He asked, ‘How do you bowl this slower ball?‘ This was a huge moment for me because he’s the No. 1 bowler in the world, and he asked me for advice,”

“I explained it to him [about the slower ball], but I also asked him how he manages to bowl yorkers with the new ball, as there are only two people in the world who can do it — Lasith Malinga and Jasprit Bumrah,”
 
This thread deserves a bump. I think India's victories primarily depend on Bumrah these days. I don't know if they will win this game against India but he has bowled 7 overs on the trot here (and I'm sure he will continue to bowl more) because India have no other options of winning other than Bumrah bowling all overs.

No credit away from India because it is still India producing results. But really does bring into question their over reliance on Bumrah and shows that this is potentially an otherwise mediocre team in most conditions but for Bumrah.
 
This is true. Very true

WHen Bumrah is bowling, it looks completely different game.
 
This is true. Very true

WHen Bumrah is bowling, it looks completely different game.
But it also makes you realize that India's chances for winning games are highly, highly dependent on Bumrah having a good game. This is true for a lot of teams that rely on their best players. However, with Bumrah, the extent to which the Indian team relies on him is far higher than other teams relying on their best player.
 
This thread deserves a bump. I think India's victories primarily depend on Bumrah these days. I don't know if they will win this game against India but he has bowled 7 overs on the trot here (and I'm sure he will continue to bowl more) because India have no other options of winning other than Bumrah bowling all overs.

No credit away from India because it is still India producing results. But really does bring into question their over reliance on Bumrah and shows that this is potentially an otherwise mediocre team in most conditions but for Bumrah.


Just cannot win Test matches based on one single fast bowler ( Certainly not in India )... not even the greatest of the greatest could do that. Just does not work like that. In this match India picked the wrong side. Should have played another fast bowler instead of Kuldeep and its about time they said goodbye to KL and play Gill in his place. Despite these grave mistakes and literally throwing away and entire innings they have still made NZ sweat big time to win this match despite enjoying soo much of a handicap. Would have been a epic victory if we had overcome all those self inflicted handicaps. Just the fact that we were in a position to win the game after 46 all out and Bumrah/Ashwin not being amongst wickets is a testament to how strong the Indian test side is.
 
This thread deserves a bump. I think India's victories primarily depend on Bumrah these days. I don't know if they will win this game against India but he has bowled 7 overs on the trot here (and I'm sure he will continue to bowl more) because India have no other options of winning other than Bumrah bowling all overs.

No credit away from India because it is still India producing results. But really does bring into question their over reliance on Bumrah and shows that this is potentially an otherwise mediocre team in most conditions but for Bumrah.

We won Gabba Test without Bumrah and that was our most famous win.
 
Bumrah bowled 7 overs on the trot and when Rohit wanted him to bowls another he refused. This shows he's smarter than Pak bowlers who will never understand if they are overbowled what the consequences will be. Muhammad Zahid would have had a great career if he didn't allow the Pak captains to over bowl him. Shaheen also ran himself into the ground and the outcome is infront of us all.
 
But it also makes you realize that India's chances for winning games are highly, highly dependent on Bumrah having a good game. This is true for a lot of teams that rely on their best players. However, with Bumrah, the extent to which the Indian team relies on him is far higher than other teams relying on their best player.

Without Bumrah, India are a mid-tier team.

Bumrah is the difference between India being a top 3 team and a mid-tier team.
 
i dont think so!

they mostly depends on the spinners, if they somehow get any turning track so things start working in their favour.
 
There is some validity in this thread definitely. But it is not like without Bumrah, this team becomes a low ranked team.

Home dominance in Test will stay as long as they have Ashwin and Jadeja. 3rd spinner is also potent.

There are enough home track bullies in lineup like Jaiswal, Pant, Sarfaraz who all will come good except occasional 1-2 test where they may find conditions very SENA-like.

What is not possible without Bumrah? The away test series drawn in South Africa and England and the away series win in Australia 2018-19 won't have been possible without Bumrah.

WT20 win won't have been possible without Bumrah.

2020-21 Australia tour was an abberation where they pretty much had a long list of injuries and new players coming in and getting capped and they went on to produce an all time great series win. But these wins happen only once in a generation.

So, yes Bumrah has played a key role in helping India win test matches overseas and stay competitive overseas and he was standout in WT20 trophy in 2024.
 
this pune wicket going to be a typical spin wicket so lets see how Bumrah responds on such wicket.
 
No doubt about that.

Bumrah is a lone warrior in the bowling department. India just cannot do any good without him
 
Unless rain comes, India are losing this. The quality of bowling between India and aus is sky high. Bumrah is an exception but he's just one man.

Aus's batting is overall better as well. 1st test was a shock for Australia but from here on out I can't see India winning.

The batting is way too dependant on Pant and jaiswal. Rahul and Gill aren't bad but nothing special. Less said about the current forms of jadeja, rohit and kohli the better.
 
It's increasingly true of Test cricket. Post Shami and Ishant, we are ridiculously dependent on Bumrah.

Not as true in white ball cricket.
 
Siraj blowing hot and cold isn't helping. And the idiot who is holding back Shamis departure to Australia needs a kick on his backside.
 
Removed bumrah from this bowling lineup and India has nothing. Literally a bunch of trundlers and guys that show useless aggression.
 
Without Bumrah we aren't much of a team at present. Its a fact.

Great ever bowler is playing with an average support.
 
This man single handedly wins games for India. Exceptional bowler.

But the rest of the bowlers are absolute trash. Far worse than Pakistan bowlers and I say this as someone who had high hopes from Siraj after his performances against us.
 
This man single handedly wins games for India. Exceptional bowler.

But the rest of the bowlers are absolute trash. Far worse than Pakistan bowlers and I say this as someone who had high hopes from Siraj after his performances against us.
How is Siraj, Akashdeep, Ashwin, Jadeja are worse than Pakistani bowlers? We are talking about test cricket here
 
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