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If Pakistan played it's home games in Pakistan over the last decade, had the same investment into grass roots cricket, they'd probably one of if not the best side in the world across all formats
 
Just to clarify, this thread is not meant to be insulting or kick the Indian fans when they are down. It is simply something I have been thinking about for more than a year now.

The fact is that no board in Cricket history has been as powerful as India’s has over the last decade or so. The sheer amount of resources at their disposal compared to any other team let alone smaller boards, is absurd. The size of the fan base and the numbers that the Indian team generates can not be matched by any team in the world.

And yet, this Indian team has not been able to replicate even 1/5th of the success of the great Australian team or the great West Indies team. Despite their boards not having the relative resources that the BBCI currently have. It is truly laughable how pathetic the Indian Cricket team have been relative to the support and resources at their disposal.

Since 2013, India have failed to win a single one of the 7 ICC tournaments that they have taken part in. (I am including the 2021 World T20 as well even though they officially have not been eliminated). Things like bad luck, fatigue, captaincy etc can be used to excuse 1 or 2 inadequate tournament performances but not 7. A true champion side does not make excuses. They win tournaments. Furthermore, things like captaincy and team selection are part of strategy which is part of the sport. If those are the reasons India have failed to win a tournament, then they are still errors on their part. Big tournaments will always be the benchmark for a teams performance in Limited Overs Cricket and it is telling that India have not won a single one.

When all the resources are present, the issue simply boils down to a lack of raw talent.

Imagine if teams like New Zealand, West Indies, or Sri Lanka had the funds and support that the Indian team has. They would have won multiple ICC trophies considering they all have won at least 1 in the time frame. I have said this a lot recently, but if I were an Indian fan I would be disgusted with how the last decade or so has turned out for my team.

No team like India or Australia becomes a bad team overnight. test cricket is pinnacle of cricket and most passionate cricket fans are test purists.
t20 world cup is literally happening again next year and don't judge teams by what's happened in this tournament
India has feeder systems and good coaches at every level and next gen champions will be coming sooner than you expect
 
OK - like all Pak fans, I've enjoyed india's struggles in this WC. But let's give credit where its due. India are a magnificent test side - far ahead of Pakistan and their performances in Australia were amazing. So no - they are full of talent. They are doing poorly in this WC because their ODI/T20 side is going downhill. Does not mean they lack talent.

Why is it going downhill the team is bisiicaly the same baring a couple of new players.pakistan will challenge in English conditions and in UAE.
 
Rohit Sharma was appointed as the new ODI captain on Wednesday, as he takes over the reins from Virat Kohli in the white-ball format. The Indian opener made a strong start as India's full-time T20I captain last month, defeating New Zealand 3-0 in the home series following the T20 World Cup. He is likely to kickstart the leadership role in ODIs in January, when the side faces South Africa for a three-match series.

Ahead of the side's departure for the tour which also includes three Tests, Rohit Sharma reflected on India's performances in ICC tournaments over the past few years and identified the reasons behind India's defeats in multiple editions. The side, despite a prolific run in the opening phases, had fallen short in the final stages of the 2017 Champions Trophy and the 2019 ODI World Cup. In the T20 World Cup earlier this year, India had failed to qualify for the semi-finals.

The Indian white-ball captain pointed out a common factor in all the losses India endured in the limited-overs tournaments.

“In the Champions Trophy (2017), 2019 World Cup and even this World Cup as well, it was that initial phase of the game where we lost. That is something I'll keep in mind,” Rohit Sharma said on Xtra Time.

“We have to prepare for the worst. We've to prepare for the situation when the team is 10/3. That is how I want to move forward. There is nowhere written that if you're 10/3, you can't get 180 or 190. I want the guys to prepare in that fashion,” Rohit said.

Rohit further said that he wants his side to test itself in the games leading up to the 2022 T20 World Cup.

“Let's say you're playing a semi-final, we're 10/2 in the first two overs, what do we do? What is the plan? I want to put ourselves in that situation and see how we respond to that,” Rohit said.

"We got some games before the World Cup and try and test ourselves. If you look at it, we see a similarity in all World Cup games that we lost. The 2 Pakistan games and the one New Zealand game in the three ICC tournaments.

“But that can happen. I understand that the quality of bowling is exceptional. It has happened three times, I hope it doesn't happen for the fourth time. We will hopefully keep preparing for that,” said Rohit.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...to-prepare-for-the-worst-101639059260386.html
 
Good first interview and team does seem way comfortable to play under him
 
40th anniversary of India winning world cup today.How great a team ?

On 25th June we celebrate the 40th anniversary, of India winning the 1983 Prudential world cup. It was close to Sport’s greatest upset or India’s best ever sporting achievement. The ultimate epitome of triumph from regions of adversity.

It is hard for words to describe or do justice to the sheer ecstasy or joy amongst Indians at Lords and in India. It gave an effect of new epoch written in Indian cricket or a sporting renaissance.

India had achieved the equivalent of a David conquering Goliath .The scene was reminiscent of an invincible emperor or nation overpowered, when overpowering West Indies. India literally resurrected itself like a phoenix from the Ashes not only at Lords, but a week ago against Zimbabwe, after tottering at 17-5.

Although in terms of strength well below par with the might of the West Indies, India elevated fighting spirit or resilience to heights to overcome a more powerful adversary, rarely scaled in sport. It transcended energy exuded in volumes very rarely, in the sporting arena. Collective spirit in sport, was radiated at a helm.

World cup Final

India was bundled out for mere 183 at Lords and the result looked a foregone conclusion. A dazzling 38 by Krishnamachari Srikkanth was the only bright spot, with some scintillating boundaries. Rarely has ODI cricket witnessed such a clinical or consummate bowling display as the Caribbean pace attack that day. Andy Roberts getting Gavaskar to knick an oustwinger, Holding piercing through the gate of Mohinder Amarnath to send his stumps crashing and Marshall trapping Shrikanth in front, were ample illustrations.
In pursuit of a target of 183 runs, Balwinder Sandhu astonishingly bowled Gordon Greenidge in the very first over , who shouldered arms to a delivery that swung back, down the hill. Viv Richards marked his arrival at the crease, as though he wished to finish off the task, having a flight to catch. He took the Indian bowlers by the scruff of the neck, as though he was performing a demolition operation. Till he was present, a West Indies win looked a mere formality.

At 57 Viv held out to Kapil Dev at long on, who pulled off a classical catch, of a skier. A few balls later Larry Gomes edged an outswinger to Gavaskar at slip and then skipper Clive Lloyd held out to be caught by Kapil Dev. West Indies were now in dire straits at 66-5.The complexion of the game had turned like a 360 degree twist in a plot, in a Hollywood epic.

Rarely in cricket or sport, had viewers witnessed such a dramatic twist and turn. Seeing the Indian cricketers rejuvenated in the middle was a sight to behold. West Indies went into further disarray after the break, with Faoud Bacchus edging a wide delivery to wicketkeeper Kirmani, with the score at 76.
Then Jeff Dujon and Malcolm Marshall put up rearguard 43 run partnership before Mohinder Amaranth intervened to dismiss Jeff Dujon shouldering arms and prompting Malcolm Marshall to edge the ball to Gavaskar at slip.Amarnath’s deceptive movement, trapped both the batsmen.Kapil Dev then trapped Andy Roberts and with the target 43 runs adrift, Amarnath rapped Michael Holding in front, to seal the title for India.

It is almost impossible to diagnose what caused the upset for West Indies. However this was manifestation of unpredictability or mysterious element in sport. Few games more conveyed how much sport was in the mind. No doubt the pitch was juicy for paceman, with grass and steep bounce. Still what won the day for India, was the sheer determination it radiated, which transcended intensity rarely penetrated in team sports. The team simply stuck to it’s basic task.

West Indies reminded one of a might army or empire vanquished, like Napoleon loosing at Waterloo. Neverthless they were most sporting in defeat, coming to the dressing room, to congratulate the Indian team. Skipper Clive Lloyd remarked “Full marks to the Indians.”I was very happy to also see Pakistani cricketers Sarafraz Nawaz and Abdul Qadir join the victory celebrations and Asif Iqbal express his pride over the triumph of an Asian team in a world cup.
What was remarkable was that it was no single person, but a combined effort, that won India the world cup final. The blazing innings of Srikkanth ,the cameo of Sandeep Patil, the batting solidity and seam movement of Amarnath, the catch of Viv Richards by Kapil Dev, the belligerence of Madan Lal ,Roger Binny and Balwinder Sandhu, all pooled together, to create history for India.
One of my most impactful memories was that of Madan Lal, who inspite of innocuous pace literally made the West Indies batsmen shiver, reminiscent of creating fire from no man’s land. Few cricketers did as much as the doctor ordered in a world cup final as Jimmy Amarnath, combining both ball and bat.
Possibly, no world cup final manifested the sheer spirit of the game, to as exalting heights. The atmosphere on the Lord’s cricket ground was like a festival of the crowds.


It is not easy to evaluate the true merit or accurately assess the greatness of the Indian team. Without doubt West Indies was the best team of the tournament, and England, Pakistan or Australia, on their day, were on par with India. This was proved in subsequent ODI series which India played at home against West Indies, England, Pakistan and Australia at home.
In full flow, no team looked as organised, clinical or focused as India. I would repudiate any fan who claimed India’s triumph was a fluke. Possibly in that week, India blazed glory, or scaled the heights, of the best ever World cup champions. Above all, no team ever gave as good an advertisement, of the unpredictability of the ODI game, taking surprise element to regions of the sublime. No team every shattered the myth of invincibility of West Indies in ODI Cricket. No doubt, India was grossly underestimated, before the tournament. India defeated, what was possibly, the best ODI side ever, on two occasions.
Noteworthy that in the very first game of the tournament. India overcame the mighty West Indies, by 34 runs. It proved India’s capturing of the title, was no fluke. Also evidence in India’s victory against West Indies in an ODI at Berbice, on the 1983 tour of West Indies, with India prevailing by a wide margin.

What fortified India was it’s plethora of all-rounders , great batting depth and determination of fast –medium bowlers to obtain movement in the air. The all-round skills of Kapil Dev, Mohinder Amarnath,Roger Binny and Madan Lal proved handy and the fact that even tail enders like Balwinder Sandhu and Syed Kirmani,were no mugs with the bat. Credit should also be given to the determination of Yashpal Sharma, and flamboyance of Sandeep Patil and Shrikanth, with the bat. High praise should also be given to Roger Binny and Madan Lal who unflinchinghly stuck to line and length, and fully exploited the seaming conditions to extract sideways movement. Pertinent that till today, Kapil Dev, is rated the best ever ODI all-rounder. Psychology of starting as underdogs too was a crucial factor, as well as the seaming conditions, which aided the bowlers.
 
Defeated the West Indies twice in that World Cup. A thoroughly deserved win.
 
Overall a failed cricket nation apart from crator wickets they’ve given cricket nothing. Nation of 1.4 billion aint produced a fast bowler of decent quality.

Give papa New Guinea those funds they would have won a icc tourney in last 10 years.

Australia/windies are the daddy’s of cricket period. Rest are rats/mice’s
 
How can India be a failed cricket nation with so many trophies?
 
India is not a failed cricket nation but in general, apart from your ability, the fitness, strength and stamina plays key role for success in any sport at highest level.

Indian players lack in strength and stamina. We just can't produce tall fast bowlers who can bowl long spells and be effective throughout. Also, the modern day batters have serious concentration issues.
 
Selection is all over the place. Some senior players who have no business playing the game anymore are still getting a free ride. Some juniors are not getting their chances because of this reason. It will be extremely hard for India to win ICC events with practices like this. This is your main reason for not doing too well.
 
Calling India least talented or a failed team makes no sense. Neither the excuse of bad selection because i doubt fans of any country which looses don't have issues with the selection. Afterall whenever a team looses, few players would have failed and in hindsight its obvious to think someone else in their place would have performed. The fact is India's current cricketing ecosystem is so deeply immersed in money that results by and large don't matter to this ecosystem. Who all comprise cricketing ecosystem of India - Players, selectors/officials, coaches, sponsors, fans, commentators/media.

- For most players in this team cricket is means to an end, end being fame and money. So if one could attain both those things even while underperforming then where would be the motivation to do well. Cricketers in India are like consumer brands, and every brand needs to have some attributes to make it appealing to some consumer segment. For Kohlis and Sharmas and Rahuls, the brand is now intertwined with their personal lives, their wives, their families and so most things they do on cricket pitch is wrt demonstrating those attributes. Take the case of Jaiswal, he's been shown selling pani puris while his own coach recently gave the statement that its all fake and he even sent Jaiswal to London for training for 3 months using sponsors and his own money when Jaiswal was all of 14/15 yrs old. But then Jaiswal has to build the 'rags to riches' brand and so media and commentators and sponsors will feed you that day in day out. Self glorification and PR gets you fame and money, not necessarily the performances. With IPL and so much cricket, you are bound to be successful in a few games so the idea is to milk those games clippings on social media and your fans will call you GOAT.

- Commentators/Media are all about money and suck up to players that its almost embarassing. Dare they say anything bad about Kohli or Dhoni or Sharma. Think of this, there is this dude Gaurav Kapoor who runs a podcast called 'breakfast with champions' has perhaps the biggest viewership. Now you had to see it to believe it that he ran a show during T20 WC with Sehwag and Jadeja analyzing every match, with one condition. The analysts will not NAME any Indian player when criticizing performances. It was a condition clearly mentioned by Gaurav. It was hilarious to watch that when India lost to England, they had a discussion where they analyzed India's performance but didn't name one player through out the show and only said good things about Kohli and Pandya. Harsha Bhogle the voice of Indian cricket, doesn't ever say good things about a foriegn player without adding some Indian player in the same sentence. If Ben Stokes is being praised for Ashes, then he will also include Dhoni in that sentence.

- Selectors/Coaches are there only for staying relevant and good lifestyle, they are there just as placeholders with no power. Their only power reside in perhaps giving chances to 1-2 new players, other than that they have no power on selection of the remaining 14 players. While Kohli was there, he selected his own team, now with Sharma it won't be much different.

- Poor Fans the most gullible of the lot, they are fed in day in day out by Commentators/Media/players/PR agencies that India is the world's best team and Indian players walk on water and they have actually started believing that. If nothing else they can fight over their favorite players on twitter 3 times a week. We get through to semis in basically a sport with 8 major teams and its considered an accomplishment.
 
Overall a failed cricket nation apart from crator wickets they’ve given cricket nothing. Nation of 1.4 billion aint produced a fast bowler of decent quality.

Give papa New Guinea those funds they would have won a icc tourney in last 10 years.

Australia/windies are the daddy’s of cricket period. Rest are rats/mice’s

The BCCI is the best in the world when it comes to signing cheques. Unfortunately actually winning cricket matches is a distant priority in comparison.

The Indian fans are as responsible as anyone else. They squeal over the length of the IPL and the figures being thrown around. They love this idea of Indian administrative dominance as it goes a long way to paper over their long standing insecurities.

However it has all come at a cost, and that is an empty trophy cabinet despite every advantage possible being given to them.
 
India is not a failed cricket nation but in general, apart from your ability, the fitness, strength and stamina plays key role for success in any sport at highest level.

Indian players lack in strength and stamina. We just can't produce tall fast bowlers who can bowl long spells and be effective throughout. Also, the modern day batters have serious concentration issues.

India are a failed cricketing nation. Unlimited funds, a huge population who only play one sport, the freedom to shamelessly cheat on their home wickets and literal power over the rest of the cricketing hierachy.

Sure, a few people got extremely rich from this but there is next to nothing to show for it on the pitch. That is a failure.

Nothing in life lasts forever and India have categorically failed to make the most of their advantages over the past 15 years. When this era comes to an end Indians will look back on their empty trophy cupboard with humiliation.
 
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We are still the second most successful cricketing nation in terms of major titles won, only behind the greatest sporting nation on the planet - Australia.

OP would have made far more sense if we were still behind tiny Sri Lanka/ New Zealand or failed states like Pakistan..
 
We are still the second most successful cricketing nation in terms of major titles won, only behind the greatest sporting nation on the planet - Australia.

OP would have made far more sense if we were still behind tiny Sri Lanka/ New Zealand or failed states like Pakistan..



You guys are so sensitive, let you wont get far in life being so sensitive. The questions is about India, yet Indians fans will always have to drag Pakistan into it, you could have simply said we still achieved since we have 2nd most ICC titles, and end it their, but you had to bring Pakistan into this called it failed states.

Since you brought this on yourself kindly read the following, try not to get to sensitive.

- India despite having all the control in the cricket, and all the money and ICC in their pockets, and are able to have ICC follow what they want and what they need, have STILL yet to win an ICC trophy since 2013. Despite all the hype of the Indian, team, the reality is that this FAILED cricket team could not make it count when it matter.

- 2017 Champions Trophy Final was your biggest failure. India had the best line-up in the tournament, and beat Pakistan in the first match, plus the edge that India, had during recent encounters, and Pakistan being the 8th seed of the tourney, it was all set in Place for India to win. That Pakistan team, that won, was not even our strongest team imo, it still had several flaws, they peaked at the right time, and when it came to the final day, a failed nation like Pakistan (STILL) made it count, despite all odds against them

- Regarding your Wins (2 world cups, 1 t20 world cup, 2 champions trophy) lets be real about some of these wins.

- 2007 T20 World Cup, India had a great tourney however the reality is, that Misbah brought Pakistan back into the match and ended up losing it, with that crazy shot, had he not done that, and played normal cricket shot, he would have gotten us home at that point.

-2011 World cup India being host, we all know what happened in semi finals and finals both teams got robbed.

-2013 Champions Trophy India was the strongest team, so they deserved to win, however playing 20 over match when format is 50 overs, it could have went either way.

-2002 Champions Trophy the trophy was shared for crying out loud joint winners haha

I do not agree with OP, in the sense that India is not the least talented cricketing nation that is not true, but I will say they should have achieved more, and I do feel, that because they have not been able to win since 2013, despite all the hype around them, all the money, and good talent, I would say India is the most overrated team, talented yes but overrated indeed.
 
You guys are so sensitive, let you wont get far in life being so sensitive. The questions is about India, yet Indians fans will always have to drag Pakistan into it, you could have simply said we still achieved since we have 2nd most ICC titles, and end it their, but you had to bring Pakistan into this called it failed states.

Since you brought this on yourself kindly read the following, try not to get to sensitive.

- India despite having all the control in the cricket, and all the money and ICC in their pockets, and are able to have ICC follow what they want and what they need, have STILL yet to win an ICC trophy since 2013. Despite all the hype of the Indian, team, the reality is that this FAILED cricket team could not make it count when it matter.

- 2017 Champions Trophy Final was your biggest failure. India had the best line-up in the tournament, and beat Pakistan in the first match, plus the edge that India, had during recent encounters, and Pakistan being the 8th seed of the tourney, it was all set in Place for India to win. That Pakistan team, that won, was not even our strongest team imo, it still had several flaws, they peaked at the right time, and when it came to the final day, a failed nation like Pakistan (STILL) made it count, despite all odds against them

- Regarding your Wins (2 world cups, 1 t20 world cup, 2 champions trophy) lets be real about some of these wins.

- 2007 T20 World Cup, India had a great tourney however the reality is, that Misbah brought Pakistan back into the match and ended up losing it, with that crazy shot, had he not done that, and played normal cricket shot, he would have gotten us home at that point.

-2011 World cup India being host, we all know what happened in semi finals and finals both teams got robbed.

-2013 Champions Trophy India was the strongest team, so they deserved to win, however playing 20 over match when format is 50 overs, it could have went either way.

-2002 Champions Trophy the trophy was shared for crying out loud joint winners haha

I do not agree with OP, in the sense that India is not the least talented cricketing nation that is not true, but I will say they should have achieved more, and I do feel, that because they have not been able to win since 2013, despite all the hype around them, all the money, and good talent, I would say India is the most overrated team, talented yes but overrated indeed.



Writes a whole essay while being triggered and calls others sensitive. :91:


And I'm not going to say much about the Facebook/Twitter comment section type of drivel that you have just written in the rest of the post. Cheers!
 
Writes a whole essay while being triggered and calls others sensitive. :91:


And I'm not going to say much about the Facebook/Twitter comment section type of drivel that you have just written in the rest of the post. Cheers!


Showing you how sensitive you fans can be. Cheers as well
 
Showing you how sensitive you fans can be. Cheers as well


You just made desperate excuses for each of our title wins while alleging corruption, conspiracy and whatnot. And you have the gal to call someone else sensitive.

Do you even see what you're making yourself look like? :91:
 
We are still the second most successful cricketing nation in terms of major titles won, only behind the greatest sporting nation on the planet - Australia.

OP would have made far more sense if we were still behind tiny Sri Lanka/ New Zealand or failed states like Pakistan..

It seems you didn't read the OP properly and got triggered unnecessarily. OP talks about India's recent record in ICC tournaments. Since 2013 India hasn't won any ICC tournament. OP is making perfect sense here. With all the resources, money and power, India has underachieved whereas a failed state like Pakistan has still managed to win at least 1 ICC tournament within the same time period. :rabada2

And the guy above was right. Some of you are so sensitive. Now don't come back with your 'throwing toys out of the pram...' reply. :91: :inti
 
Defeated the West Indies twice in that World Cup. A thoroughly deserved win.
Some might have said its because they wanted IPL contracts, the WI underperformed. But did IPL exist then????nope. So a fluke is best consolation reason for those who cannot digest the success of 83 batch. They also won the B and H 1985 cup in Australia...which was equivalent to what is now called champions trophy. Double fluke?????lol
 
It seems you didn't read the OP properly and got triggered unnecessarily. OP talks about India's recent record in ICC tournaments. Since 2013 India hasn't won any ICC tournament. OP is making perfect sense here. With all the resources, money and power, India has underachieved whereas a failed state like Pakistan has still managed to win at least 1 ICC tournament within the same time period. :rabada2

And the guy above was right. Some of you are so sensitive. Now don't come back with your 'throwing toys out of the pram...' reply. :91: :inti


Ofcourse you'd think it makes perfect sense now that I've shown the mirror to you lot....:91:


And just because Pakistan won a second tier ICC title more recently than India, doesn't mean India's a failed cricketing nation and Pakistan are the tailunted ones. I'd rather have our two series wins away in Australia over the insignificant CT title. You can't just pick a time frame and conclude that a country is a failed cricketing nation , while ignoring everything we won prior to that. South Africa have won zero world titles in their entire history despite having some of the most talented players to ever played the game. Doesn't mean they are the "least talented nation" all of a sudden.

Ofcourse i know this is like explaining to a brick and you'll come back with some more dumb logics mixed with some more personal remarks.
 
Ofcourse you'd think it makes perfect sense now that I've shown the mirror to you lot....:91:


And just because Pakistan won a second tier ICC title more recently than India, doesn't mean India's a failed cricketing nation and Pakistan are the tailunted ones. I'd rather have our two series wins away in Australia over the insignificant CT title. You can't just pick a time frame and conclude that a country is a failed cricketing nation , while ignoring everything we won prior to that. South Africa have won zero world titles in their entire history despite having some of the most talented players to ever played the game. Doesn't mean they are the "least talented nation" all of a sudden.

Ofcourse i know this is like explaining to a brick and you'll come back with some more dumb logics mixed with some more personal remarks.

Stop crying and keep Pakistan, South Africa and Australia aside for a second. Now tell us what is the reason for India not winning any ICC tournaments for more than 10 years? We have got all the facilities in the world, power and money so if someone says India has underachieved in the recent years then that is a fact. You are trying to justify India's underachievement by bringing in other nations here. They are not the richest and powerful cricketing nations, India is. Let's see what you can come up with other than the usual attempt to divert the topic at hand. :inti
 
Some might have said its because they wanted IPL contracts, the WI underperformed. But did IPL exist then????nope. So a fluke is best consolation reason for those who cannot digest the success of 83 batch. They also won the B and H 1985 cup in Australia...which was equivalent to what is now called champions trophy. Double fluke?????lol

Thread is about India's performance in ICC tournaments since 2013 lol. Stop getting so defensive and answer the OP. :inti
 
Pretty nonsensical and laughworthy post deluded from reality.

Lol, are you saying it's not true that India have the biggest population, access to funds, influence over other boards and have doctored pitches at home?

You need to face reality. I never see Indians holding your board to account for its results. You're all too busy squealing at how much TV rights went for in the IPL as if you somehow benefit from that.
 
You just made desperate excuses for each of our title wins while alleging corruption, conspiracy and whatnot. And you have the gal to call someone else sensitive.

Do you even see what you're making yourself look like? :91:

If you actually read the whole post no understand everything and what I'm saying is the truth not just about the winds but about everything else I mentioned maybe actually read entirely what I wrote
 
If you actually read the whole post no understand everything and what I'm saying is the truth not just about the winds but about everything else I mentioned maybe actually read entirely what I wrote

2002 was joint winners like come on
2007 every indian became a fan of misbah after that shot

2011 you dont have to agree and that is fine

2013 match was reduced to about 20 overs so it was 50/50 chance for both teams but like I said prior india has stronger team.

Once again, i said I do not agree with the OP calling India most talentless team that is not true or even close the truth.

My sensitive friend I think you and I can both agree India Underachieved and are overrated and hyped to the moon.
 
Ofcourse you'd think it makes perfect sense now that I've shown the mirror to you lot....:91:


And just because Pakistan won a second tier ICC title more recently than India, doesn't mean India's a failed cricketing nation and Pakistan are the tailunted ones. I'd rather have our two series wins away in Australia over the insignificant CT title. You can't just pick a time frame and conclude that a country is a failed cricketing nation , while ignoring everything we won prior to that. South Africa have won zero world titles in their entire history despite having some of the most talented players to ever played the game. Doesn't mean they are the "least talented nation" all of a sudden.

Ofcourse i know this is like explaining to a brick and you'll come back with some more dumb logics mixed with some more personal remarks.

Just before you were bragging about India having the 2nd most ICC titles which is 5 ( 2 which come from the second tier ICC champions trophy) which one India was joint winners. So by that logic Champions trophy wins dont count as ICC trophy wins....or your saying this only when Pakistan wins.

Before you even say anything Yes world cup win is more prestigious than champions trophy no one will argue that.

Its just funny how you were huffing and puffing about India having 5 ICC trophies i wasnt aware Champions trophy is second tier and is played by Pak shaheens and India A sqauds. Good to know 🤣
 
In how many tournaments they were favorites? CT 2017 India was the favorite. Okay, they bottled it from toss decision. Then there was this 2014 World T20 they were favorites. I don't think they were favorites in any of the other tournaments. They were expected to reach the final at best. Never overwhelming favorites. It is not like they choked. They deservedly did not win many tournaments. Each loss is explainable. India's obsession with superstars and their overstaying with the team played a major role. India did not phase out the players right time. First MS Dhoni and Yuvraj buried India's chances. Now we have a bunch of oldies who try to keep multiplying money through ads just by being part of XI. Virat Kohli is a guy who could not even win an IPL as a captain. Rohit is only fit for IPL. BCCI never tried to shake things up. They let it run its own course. No accountability. They always give some lame excuse and move on. So the combination of so many off-the-field things prevents India from winning. They should have won at least 2 since 2013. Kohli is worth 1050 crores. You really think he is going to care whether India wins a tournament or not? BCCI benefits from Kohli and vice versa. He becomes undroppable. Same goes with Rohit,Rahul.
 
Stop crying and keep Pakistan, South Africa and Australia aside for a second. Now tell us what is the reason for India not winning any ICC tournaments for more than 10 years? We have got all the facilities in the world, power and money so if someone says India has underachieved in the recent years then that is a fact. You are trying to justify India's underachievement by bringing in other nations here. They are not the richest and powerful cricketing nations, India is. Let's see what you can come up with other than the usual attempt to divert the topic at hand. :inti


Thread is about whether India's is the "least talented cricketing nation" or not . And I have answered that question with suitable examples which ended up triggering you lot. :91:

OP is not asking us the reasons for India not winning any tournaments since 2013. I suggest you to read the title and the initial post again.
 
Just before you were bragging about India having the 2nd most ICC titles which is 5 ( 2 which come from the second tier ICC champions trophy) which one India was joint winners. So by that logic Champions trophy wins dont count as ICC trophy wins....or your saying this only when Pakistan wins.

Before you even say anything Yes world cup win is more prestigious than champions trophy no one will argue that.

Its just funny how you were huffing and puffing about India having 5 ICC trophies i wasnt aware Champions trophy is second tier and is played by Pak shaheens and India A sqauds. Good to know ��

And just because Champions Trophy is an ICC title, it doesn't eclipse two consecutive away series wins in a formidable country like Australia. Most Indian fans would never trade those wins for a second grade ICC trophy. And I'm not calling it a second grade trophy just to demean it. It's a fact...ODI world cup is already there to decide the champions in this format, so CT serves no purpose. It's a poor man's World Cup with lesser teams , games and much lesser prestige. Yes we would still love to win it but to say Pakistan has "achieved" more in the last 10 years than India by winning that competition is just plain delusion.
 
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And just because Champions Trophy is an ICC title, it doesn't eclipse two consecutive away series wins in a formidable country like Australia. Most Indian fans would never trade those wins for a second grade ICC trophy. And I'm not calling it a second grade trophy just to demean it. It's a fact...ODI world cup is already there to decide the champions in this format, so CT serves no purpose. It's a poor man's World Cup with lesser teams , games and much lesser prestige. Yes we would still love to win it but to say Pakistan has "achieved" more in the last 10 years than India by winning that competition is just plain delusion.

I'd gladly take another Test series victory in Australia over an ODI World Cup.
 
Keyword - YOU. Majority of Indian fans would take a WC and you know it.

For those who follow both formats, there's no chance anybody would have preferred the ODI World Cup to 2 Test series wins in Australia. Issue is the vast majority of casual fans don't care about Test cricket - a format tat is artificially propped and is dying out faster than most would have you believe. However, now that we already have accomplished that, even hardcore fans would prefer to win the World Cup now
 
I'd gladly take another Test series victory in Australia over an ODI World Cup.


Nah. ODI world cup is a different beast altogether. It is the single most prestigious and the biggest price in world cricket. I would give both the wins in Australia for the 2019 world cup win.

Would have agreed if you said this about the mickey mouse T20 world cup.
 
India are a failed cricketing nation. Unlimited funds, a huge population who only play one sport, the freedom to shamelessly cheat on their home wickets and literal power over the rest of the cricketing hierachy.

Sure, a few people got extremely rich from this but there is next to nothing to show for it on the pitch. That is a failure.

Nothing in life lasts forever and India have categorically failed to make the most of their advantages over the past 15 years. When this era comes to an end Indians will look back on their empty trophy cupboard with humiliation.


unlimited funds and power is mostly from last 15 years and I think , India has done good since than, not excellent but still good.
 
Yes, least talented, followed by Pakistan.

NZ, by far the most talented cricket nation.
 
I'd gladly take another Test series victory in Australia over an ODI World Cup.

Keyword - YOU. Majority of Indian fans would take a WC and you know it.

From my recent experience of IPL, I would say neither.

People are underestimating the level of following and impact the IPL has. I did too. Until I went and experienced it first hand. I have come away from the recent IPL with the reality that Tests and ODI's are becoming a distant 2nd and 3rd in the "food" chain.
 
From my recent experience of IPL, I would say neither.

People are underestimating the level of following and impact the IPL has. I did too. Until I went and experienced it first hand. I have come away from the recent IPL with the reality that Tests and ODI's are becoming a distant 2nd and 3rd in the "food" chain.


Lmao what ? Are you seriously saying that Indians are now more invested in their favourite IPL team winning the title than in the Indian team winning major titles?

IPL might go into a different stratosphere in terms of viewership, revenues etc in the decades to come but it'll never match the attachment or loyalty we have to the Indian national team. Never..
 
Lmao what ? Are you seriously saying that Indians are now more invested in their favourite IPL team winning the title than in the Indian team winning major titles?

IPL might go into a different stratosphere in terms of viewership, revenues etc in the decades to come but it'll never match the attachment or loyalty we have to the Indian national team. Never..

when ganguly and indian fans say taht winning ipl is more difficult than a world cup, than yeh
 
Lmao what ? Are you seriously saying that Indians are now more invested in their favourite IPL team winning the title than in the Indian team winning major titles?

IPL might go into a different stratosphere in terms of viewership, revenues etc in the decades to come but it'll never match the attachment or loyalty we have to the Indian national team. Never..

From what I saw, things are well and truly on the way. It may not be there yet, but I would say the transition is happening.
 
As much politic as Indian selection is You don't measure talent by trophies though. Brazil was always considered the most talented Football side. But they didn't win every world cup. They haven't won one in 20 plus years. Infact no team's talent is assessed by tournament wins. Windies won a couple. Last year they did not even qualify.
 
You can't call it as least talented cricketing nation. What about the time when we won 1983...? Was it oozing with talents?

It is just about finding a proper team combination with proper players and a proper captain (+coaching staff) to that moment of time... What will you call England team which did not win anything significant till like recently? They invented cricket and they don't have any talent it seems! (If an ICC Trophy is a yardstick to measure) And South Africa are a worst cricketing nation with zero talent based on this!

There are so many things to look at... England for e.g, did not really consider LOIs seriously until like last 10 to 15 years... (Ashes and their county cricket was important to them!) So they did not look at developing a proper combination and proper style of play for LOIs... (But they are very much serious now to an extent that they want to play even tests in that style!)

BCCI now it appears like are very serious about IPL and they have sort of neglected international cricket altogether they are picking test players based on IPL now! (So it has nothing to do with the so-called "lack of talents" in the nation! Anybody who witnessed last IPL can get to see what all batting talents available in India and how they outplayed seasoned cricketers - both India and rest of the world!)

Nobody is happy about the way we are selecting national teams for any format! So even Indians don't have much expectations about their team in the tournaments, so I am amused at how non-Indians expect huge things from India merely based on money & facilities we have! It seems they are more angry than us! (but for different reasons!)

If money is all what is needed, then America and China could as well send some random teams to play cricket (either by importing players or whatever) just to uplift their economical stature in everything, every department in world... You need passion to play a game, that's why India plays cricket- it is a kind of sport which has drama, which has a tale to tell - which easily binds with Indian culture. Yes money/economy got attached with it at some point! Indians loved their cricket as much back then when cricketers didn't earn much from it and when the team was not winning much, getting beaten like dogs by everyone! "Money" did not suddenly triggered the passion...

Even Australia had to wait for their 2nd WC Title till like 1999 (and they were very lucky in that edition as everyone knows to start that streak, and they didn't look back after that! They were driven by luck, goodwill, etc... besides "talent from their nation"!) It is about how you develop a combination, how you develop a team, how you keep refining a team with every series, how you switch & adapt to various conditions and prepare before hand, etc. Australia won 4 WC Titles with almost 4 different teams! But in India we see people like Dinesh Karthik making comebacks! Indian cricket is also something which is deeply affected by politics it cannot be ignored!

Still Australia couldn't win 2011 thing. (Conditions affected them). So if we have "talent" alone then there is no guarantee in going on and winning titles (it is not easy to consistently win knockout games). Performance in Bilateral matches and the way Australia, England now allot 4-5 test matches against India is enough indication of whether "talent" is there in a certain nation!
 
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From what I saw, things are well and truly on the way. It may not be there yet, but I would say the transition is happening.


It will never happen. I think you're just getting carried away by the passion shown by the IPL crowds. Most people watch it just to pass their time and attend stadiums to have fun. You'll never see fans burning effigies and attacking team buses for losing IPL games.
 
They have underperformed given their population and resources ( so have Pakistan).

They are also slightly unlucky that despite their test dominance for many years there is no league format that would have crowned them test champions.

If there was a two year test league where every team plays each other home and away then India would comfortably have won a few editions.
 
World cup winning side cover all the bases. Ofcourse there were some fluke World cup wins like Australia won in 2021. They came in toe world T20 after losing 5 T20 series. They won 5 or 6 tosses straight. Bham. they became champions. England was a far superior team to Australia in that edition. Ever since India became a One dimensional side they stopped winning world events. Bowlers can't bat. Batsmen can't bowl. Just one all rounder in the name of Jadeja who is technically not the aggressive all rounder you look for. Pandya is half the time unfit. Even the best teams have collapses, even the best teams have main bowlers gonig for runs. But in Champion teams someone always steps up. Some not so familar names like Andy Bichel did in 2003 world cup for Australia. They were down and out with 84/7 He made a 64 batting at 8. In 1996 world cup Australia was 15/4 Stuart Law/Bevan took them to 208 and they defended after West Indies was 165/1. That collective winning spirit is the reason why they have more trophies. In the last 10 years or so India has built a team in such a way that they cannot have any slip ups. They have to play a near perfect game in every single match. No depth in either department. Knock out top 3 you can beat them. Smash the main bowlers you can beat them
 
Least talented is harsh.

Most cowardly, heartless and mental midgets ? Yes, probably no.1 there
 
And just because Champions Trophy is an ICC title, it doesn't eclipse two consecutive away series wins in a formidable country like Australia. Most Indian fans would never trade those wins for a second grade ICC trophy. And I'm not calling it a second grade trophy just to demean it. It's a fact...ODI world cup is already there to decide the champions in this format, so CT serves no purpose. It's a poor man's World Cup with lesser teams , games and much lesser prestige. Yes we would still love to win it but to say Pakistan has "achieved" more in the last 10 years than India by winning that competition is just plain delusion.

Your original statement the very first one was India has 2nd most ICC trophies. So when india won the champions tropies on both occasions it was a second grade trophy and is not important right.

With all due respect had India won the champions trophy final in 2017 im sure you and most indians would consider it Indians best win and why a not an ICC odi tourney, in which you beat your rivals and on father day, im sure bollywood would make a movie out of it too.

I never said Pakistan achieved more in the last 10 years but what defies an achievement is when you actually win something in the last 10 years the reality is that Pakistan won something in India has not.

However 2019 till present day , I would say Pakistan has underachieved as well we should have at least won one more ICC trophy. Again its still an achievement for Pakistan considering everything that Pak cricker has went through and being a poor nation and a failed state according to some.

This is not a dig or an insult but with all the money and control India has they should have atleast won 1 title
 
It will never happen. I think you're just getting carried away by the passion shown by the IPL crowds. Most people watch it just to pass their time and attend stadiums to have fun. You'll never see fans burning effigies and attacking team buses for losing IPL games.

I have not read or seen anything similar for yet again losing the WTC final. Or for that matter a WC game.
 
Another click bait thread.

Anyways, India has won 2 WCs 2CT 1T20WC and the annual test mace. Only the WTC remains to be won.

India has reached the knockouts of every ICC tournament in last 5 years, except one.

In last 50 odd years, whenever the question of the best batsman of the time has come into question, invariably you have a Indian amongst them.

Coming to a few other teams

WI: Failing to qualify for the next WC?

England: Invented the game. Ruled its governance for most of its existence. Yet it they won their first ICC trophy in 2010. Hasn't produced a batsman who finished his career with a test avg of 50 since may be Ken Barrington.

Pakistan: Despite having the second largest population among test nations, Pakistan only remains a good team in T20IS. Haven't made it to the knockouts in last two WCs. The less said about the test team the better.
Calls itself the land of fast bowlers yet hasn't produced a fast bowler with 200 test wickets in nearly 30 years.
 
Another click bait thread.

Anyways, India has won 2 WCs 2CT 1T20WC and the annual test mace. Only the WTC remains to be won.

India has reached the knockouts of every ICC tournament in last 5 years, except one.

In last 50 odd years, whenever the question of the best batsman of the time has come into question, invariably you have a Indian amongst them.

Coming to a few other teams

WI: Failing to qualify for the next WC?

England: Invented the game. Ruled its governance for most of its existence. Yet it they won their first ICC trophy in 2010. Hasn't produced a batsman who finished his career with a test avg of 50 since may be Ken Barrington.

Pakistan: Despite having the second largest population among test nations, Pakistan only remains a good team in T20IS. Haven't made it to the knockouts in last two WCs. The less said about the test team the better.
Calls itself the land of fast bowlers yet hasn't produced a fast bowler with 200 test wickets in nearly 30 years.

With your superior domestic circuit and infrastructure, IPL money and Rock Stars, what ICC trophy have you won son since 2014 ? this last run of the team is meant to have been your peak, but you got battered by Pakistan in the CT final and on top of that, you lost the streak to Babar and Riswan, two accumulators apparently.

Don’t you think your chickens should pipe down a bit? wait at least until your successive home tournies are over, we’re trying our best to help you win
 
With your superior domestic circuit and infrastructure, IPL money and Rock Stars, what ICC trophy have you won son since 2014 ? this last run of the team is meant to have been your peak, but you got battered by Pakistan in the CT final and on top of that, you lost the streak to Babar and Riswan, two accumulators apparently.

Don’t you think your chickens should pipe down a bit? wait at least until your successive home tournies are over, we’re trying our best to help you win

For decades the world cricket halted and everyone rushed to play county cricket. Yet England didn't win a ICC trophy till 2010.

The score is 13-1. What you on about?

In last 10 years India has been in the knockouts of every format. Not a T20 team like Pakistan.

India keeps hosting some ICC tournament or other till 2031.

Hopefully PCB boycotts the WC in India. BCCI can try shifting the CT too.
 
Another click bait thread.

Anyways, India has won 2 WCs 2CT 1T20WC and the annual test mace. Only the WTC remains to be won.

India has reached the knockouts of every ICC tournament in last 5 years, except one.

In last 50 odd years, whenever the question of the best batsman of the time has come into question, invariably you have a Indian amongst them.

Coming to a few other teams

WI: Failing to qualify for the next WC?

England: Invented the game. Ruled its governance for most of its existence. Yet it they won their first ICC trophy in 2010. Hasn't produced a batsman who finished his career with a test avg of 50 since may be Ken Barrington.

Pakistan: Despite having the second largest population among test nations, Pakistan only remains a good team in T20IS. Haven't made it to the knockouts in last two WCs. The less said about the test team the better.
Calls itself the land of fast bowlers yet hasn't produced a fast bowler with 200 test wickets in nearly 30 years.

An Indian fan has no right to talk about fasting bowling not until India learns to take 10 wickets.

In all seriousness the threat is about India's recent records in terms of one was the last time they won an ICC trophy, I am not too sure why you guys keep bringing up the past, with India winning 5 trophies

At the same time thread is about India and winning Icc trophies, yet it seems you find comfort in brining up 13-1 (in the post above mine) you mention it, i am sure they are threads made about that particular scoreline. This shows you get to emotional and sensitive.
 
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For decades the world cricket halted and everyone rushed to play county cricket. Yet England didn't win a ICC trophy till 2010.

The score is 13-1. What you on about?

In last 10 years India has been in the knockouts of every format. Not a T20 team like Pakistan.

India keeps hosting some ICC tournament or other till 2031.

Hopefully PCB boycotts the WC in India. BCCI can try shifting the CT too.

So your golden generation was second best? you should be so proud.

It’s only now after the 2015 humiliation that England are regarded as a top LOI team, even when they weren’t, they won in 2010.

Now the royal chickens are always pumping their chest about money, their domestic leagues etc and sooperstars, but what do you have to show for in terms of silverware?

Your golden generation were humiliated by Pakistan, the teams of old no matter how poor, still were triumphant, but the current over hyped lot have been humiliated during high profile games.

What do they have to improve on when you lot keep feeding their already inflated ego’s
 
So your golden generation was second best? you should be so proud.

It’s only now after the 2015 humiliation that England are regarded as a top LOI team, even when they weren’t, they won in 2010.

Now the royal chickens are always pumping their chest about money, their domestic leagues etc and sooperstars, but what do you have to show for in terms of silverware?

Your golden generation were humiliated by Pakistan, the teams of old no matter how poor, still were triumphant, but the current over hyped lot have been humiliated during high profile games.

What do they have to improve on when you lot keep feeding their already inflated ego’s

How many tests, let alone series did Pakistan's golden generation win in Australia or SA or WI?

The best football league in Europe is the English premier league. Yet England team hasn't won a FIFA World Cup or Euro Cup in 63 years.

Pakistan lost 13 matches over 3 decades. And you are thumping your chest as if its 13 wins.

The next t20 WC, normal service resumed.

The present generation's time has come to retire.They have served enough.
 
How many tests, let alone series did Pakistan's golden generation win in Australia or SA or WI?

The best football league in Europe is the English premier league. Yet England team hasn't won a FIFA World Cup or Euro Cup in 63 years.

Pakistan lost 13 matches over 3 decades. And you are thumping your chest as if its 13 wins.

The next t20 WC, normal service resumed.

The present generation's time has come to retire.They have served enough.

Thread is about India, kindly stay on topic.
 
Never knew the most talentless nation can win the ODI World Cup twice, only bettered by Australia.
 
Never knew the most talentless nation can win the ODI World Cup twice, only bettered by Australia.

Could be three this year. All depends on whether the pitch curators show up for you or not. Let's hope they are already working hard on their doctoring preparations as the WC is just around the corner.
 
Could be three this year. All depends on whether the pitch curators show up for you or not. Let's hope they are already working hard on their doctoring preparations as the WC is just around the corner.

Pretty rich coming from a nation whose board prepared highways for the last 3 Test series they hosted. On top of that, the then PCB Chairman openly defending it in the media :))

All so that their paper King can inflate his average.
 
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Pretty rich coming from a nation whose board prepared highways for the last 3 Test series they hosted. On top of that, the then PCB Chairman openly defending it in the media :))

All so that their paper King can inflate his average.

And still failed to win any of the 3 series.

What Talent!!!!
 
And still failed to win any of the 3 series.

What Talent!!!!

"Where does that directive come from? Does it come from Babar who wants to bat on a road and improve his own stats? Does it come from above him?”: Simon Doull.
 
How many tests, let alone series did Pakistan's golden generation win in Australia or SA or WI?

The best football league in Europe is the English premier league. Yet England team hasn't won a FIFA World Cup or Euro Cup in 63 years.

Pakistan lost 13 matches over 3 decades. And you are thumping your chest as if its 13 wins.

The next t20 WC, normal service resumed.

The present generation's time has come to retire.They have served enough.

This thread is related to cricket, India and winning trophies, stick to the topic.

What have I pumped my chest over? your chickens do it daily, am accepting your team and it’s so called golden generation, what trophies do you have to show for it?

I think mentally your team retired long ago, not just retired, but they QUIT. I can’t recall such a legendary team being embarrassed by their arch rivals even once as well.

You lost the streak, lost a KO game vs PK and empty cabinet.

I told you, we will try and help you this year.
 
How many tests, let alone series did Pakistan's golden generation win in Australia or SA or WI?

The best football league in Europe is the English premier league. Yet England team hasn't won a FIFA World Cup or Euro Cup in 63 years.

Pakistan lost 13 matches over 3 decades. And you are thumping your chest as if its 13 wins.

The next t20 WC, normal service resumed.

The present generation's time has come to retire.They have served enough.

So you consider Australia as India's new rival but when it comes to threads like these you start bringing Pakistan into discussion and compare us with them? OP talks about India not winning any ICC tournaments since 2013 and you alongwith other sensitive fans are busy talking about Pakistan here. :facepalm

India has surely underachieved in the last 10 years. All this money is of no use if we can't even win trophies. You can cry all you want about Pakistan here but that won't change the fact about Indian team's performance in the last 10 years. :inti
 
So you consider Australia as India's new rival but when it comes to threads like these you start bringing Pakistan into discussion and compare us with them? OP talks about India not winning any ICC tournaments since 2013 and you alongwith other sensitive fans are busy talking about Pakistan here. :facepalm

India has surely underachieved in the last 10 years. All this money is of no use if we can't even win trophies. You can cry all you want about Pakistan here but that won't change the fact about Indian team's performance in the last 10 years. :inti

I was there live when India last won an ICC trophy, I feel old :yk

They have been a good test side.

But the blind defence of the LOI team is rather odd, as an Indian fan who considers their team to be all high and mighty, how can you not be disappointed about second place. The last run is meant to have been a golden generation.

Yeah Pak are rubbish or whatever, but the expectations are lower given the situation of the board and constant instability, despite that they still have a trophy in the cabinet.

Are Indian expectations and standards beneath Pakistan’s ? :yk3

Whatever helps cure the insomnia I guess :))

They can make up for it somewhat by winning the home tournies, the bare minimum now as the favourites right
 
Winning or losing trophies don't make any nation as the least talented nation.

This is like saying,

"Are England the least talented nation because they won their first ODI World Cup(2019) after 34 years and 10 ODI trophies?"

If we include CT and WT20, their first ICC tournament win was in 2010. Does this make them the least talented nation between 1975-2010?

The answer is obviously no. India during this period have an amazing test record having lost like barely 2 matches at home out of 25-30 and won two test series in Australia and 4 consecutive series vs them home and away. India also have dominated Windies, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh comfortably during this period.

In white ball cricket, they have a great head to head record and is probably among top 2-3 comfortably.

Winning ICC trophies need some luck, this has been missing for them and it's down to some poor planning as well but all in all, India have been among the top teams during this phase across all formats without any shadow of doubt. You have to be absolute bonkers to deny that.
 
Winning or losing trophies don't make any nation as the least talented nation.

This is like saying,

"Are England the least talented nation because they won their first ODI World Cup(2019) after 34 years and 10 ODI trophies?"

If we include CT and WT20, their first ICC tournament win was in 2010. Does this make them the least talented nation between 1975-2010?

The answer is obviously no. India during this period have an amazing test record having lost like barely 2 matches at home out of 25-30 and won two test series in Australia and 4 consecutive series vs them home and away. India also have dominated Windies, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh comfortably during this period.

In white ball cricket, they have a great head to head record and is probably among top 2-3 comfortably.

Winning ICC trophies need some luck, this has been missing for them and it's down to some poor planning as well but all in all, India have been among the top teams during this phase across all formats without any shadow of doubt. You have to be absolute bonkers to deny that.

Least talented is harsh though, chicken hearted? absolutely.

What other excuse do you have despite having the power of all mighty India and the IPL ?
 
Least talented is harsh though, chicken hearted? absolutely.

What other excuse do you have despite having the power of all mighty India and the IPL ?

According to your logic,

Were England chicken hearted nation because they won their first ODI World Cup(2019) after 34 years and 10 ODI trophies?"

Were Pakistan chicken hearted nation because they won 0 trophies between 1992-2009?

What are your excuses for that? My suggestion, stop ranting and use common sense if you believe you have it.
 
Least talented is a little subjective but they are a very ordinary cricket nation. No real contribution.

Pakistan has produced the fastest bowler. Reverse swing, doosra. Australia the best teams. Westindies with big hitters and fast bowlers. India just perennially mediocre for the kind of passion they have for the game. Even at the grassroots saw there tape ball cricketers play Pakistan’s and they looked horrible in comparison.
 
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Pretty rich coming from a nation whose board prepared highways for the last 3 Test series they hosted. On top of that, the then PCB Chairman openly defending it in the media :))

All so that their paper King can inflate his average.

The thread is about india mate
 
So your golden generation was second best? you should be so proud.

It’s only now after the 2015 humiliation that England are regarded as a top LOI team, even when they weren’t, they won in 2010.

Now the royal chickens are always pumping their chest about money, their domestic leagues etc and sooperstars, but what do you have to show for in terms of silverware?

Your golden generation were humiliated by Pakistan, the teams of old no matter how poor, still were triumphant, but the current over hyped lot have been humiliated during high profile games.

What do they have to improve on when you lot keep feeding their already inflated ego’s

Repeat with me -

1992 Sydney
1996 Bangalore
1999 Manchester
2003 Centurion
2007 Durban
2007 Centurion
2011 Mohali
2012 Colombo
2013 Birmingham
2014 Dhaka
2015 Sydney
2016 Kolkata
2019 Manchester
2022 Sydney

Only anamoly 2021 Dubai

This is real generational humiliation i.e 14-1.

No amount of whinning can change that record.
 
Least talented is a little subjective but they are a very ordinary cricket nation. No real contribution.

Pakistan has produced the fastest bowler. Reverse swing, doosra. Australia the best teams. Westindies with big hitters and fast bowlers. India just perennially mediocre for the kind of passion they have for the game. Even at the grassroots saw there tape ball cricketers play Pakistan’s and they looked horrible in comparison.

India has produced some of the greatest batsman to play the game. EVER.

Some of the greatest spinners.

Pakistan last produced a fast bowler with 200 test wickets, 30 years back. After that the line-up has been mostly mediocre.

Tapeball isn't played in India. That's why Indian batters have better technique. Though at the street level tennis Ball cricket is played.
 
My order for all-time would be :

1. Australia
2. England
3. West Indies
4. India
5. South Africa
6. Pakistan
7. New Zealand
8. Sri Lanka

South Africa purely on tests and bilateral LOIs is arguably no.2 but due to not being able to do well in ICC tournaments are still no 5. They have been among the top 2-3 team from last three decades(90s,00s,10s) and have been great in away conditions vs strong teams also historically having won test series everywhere.

Post 2013, it's India, England and Australia in any order.
 
Least talented is a little subjective but they are a very ordinary cricket nation. No real contribution.

Pakistan has produced the fastest bowler. Reverse swing, doosra. Australia the best teams. Westindies with big hitters and fast bowlers. India just perennially mediocre for the kind of passion they have for the game. Even at the grassroots saw there tape ball cricketers play Pakistan’s and they looked horrible in comparison.


I kind of agree to your other points here and there but the bolded part is just hilarious. Are you seriously using tape ball cricket as a parameter to rate the grassroots? :))

The real grassroot cricket is usually seen at the U19 level and India made five out of the last six finals played at the U19 world cup. And winning three of those... by demolishing the Pak U19s in two of the semis. There's your grassroot comparison lol.
 
It is about the least talented cricket nation, with Pakistanis trying to say its India.

The name of the thread is : Does India’s recent ICC tournament record prove that they are the least talented Cricketing nation?

Not : who is the least talented cricket nation.

You need to simply agree or disagree with that the statement.


At the end of the this is a mainly Pakistani forum, so they will put their opinion out their and are entitled to do so, you can agree or disagree that is fine as well but stay on topic
 
I kind of agree to your other points here and there but the bolded part is just hilarious. Are you seriously using tape ball cricket as a parameter to rate the grassroots? :))

The real grassroot cricket is usually seen at the U19 level and India made five out of the last six finals played at the U19 world cup. And winning three of those... by demolishing the Pak U19s in two of the semis. There's your grassroot comparison lol.

India with such a large population has terrible talent distribution. Even the street cricket standard is poor from what i saw in that tournament with no bowler able to bowl remotely as quick as local bowlers in Lahore. There is a lack of talent. Great system but a sheer lack of talent as was apparent by minnowesque performances before strengthening the system compared to say Pakistan who hit the ground running.
 
India with such a large population has terrible talent distribution. Even the street cricket standard is poor from what i saw in that tournament with no bowler able to bowl remotely as quick as local bowlers in Lahore. There is a lack of talent. Great system but a sheer lack of talent as was apparent by minnowesque performances before strengthening the system compared to say Pakistan who hit the ground running.


Street cricket standards... :yk


So the biggest indicator of young talent in a country is tape ball cricket and Street cricket lmao. I guess you learn new things everyday. :91:
 
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