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Does the new defence pact with KSA imply that Saudi will defend Pakistan against Indian aggression?

Does the new defence pact with KSA imply that Saudi will defend Pakistan against Indian aggression?


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Using a percentage of population to make a generic statement can be done on either side, question is when they are in majority what they do.

There are lot of issues in Muslim Colleges of India as well their attitude towards non-Muslims but making a point based on that is generalisation best suited to politicians.
 
I've heard those words. Again mostly in private. You can't go around calling a Muslim "mulle" in public unless you're, as @RexRex puts it "a loser from a far right group" and surrounded by a bunch of losers like yourself to be able to feel cocky enough to get away with it.
Not to their faces .. but behind them.
 
several instances: an indian muslim guy played pretty good cricket and we were arranging a pakistani students vs indian students game and some of the hindu students truly believed that he would go play for the pakistani side when the poor guy was adamant he wanted to play for the indian side. obviously once that confusion was out of the way, they played him and were happy to do so but i could see the hurt they had caused by even insinuating that he would play for the opposition just because he prayed with us.
Feel sorry for the poor guy. Most Indian Muslims do carry that chip on their shoulder and would be pretty hurt to be associated with Pakistan. Unfortunately, many of them...at least in public have to appear to be 'more patriotic than thou' and abuse Pakistan that extra bit. Not something that should happen but I can't deny that it exists.
 
Secondary lending market in mercenary manpower, on which Pakistanis have struck a repurchase agreement (repo) with the Saudis.
 
The analysis from Indians online and in the media is usually as charitable as it can be in favour of India, and sometimes delusional. They were expecting Pakistan to not shoot down planes at 200+km, only for that to happen. Here again, their analysis is as charitable as it can be.

In military, you should hope for the best and prepare for the worst. KSA may or may not join a war against India, but there's a much higher probability they will provide the financial backing. That alone can tip the scales. And India still shouldn't rule out KSA joining a war.
 
whats important here is that why would SA go with Pakistan rather than with India who they already have such massive economic arrangements?

perhaps there is truth to our claims that op BM trumped Op Tandoor
 
India has always put its sovereignty first. Thats the exact reason why we haven't allowed other nations bases in India.

I understand the military agreements can be good deterrence. But there is no free lunch anywhere in the world. One should be very careful in defense partnerships as you putting lives of your countrymen at stake.

I heard that Pakistan will deploy forces at Yemeni border for KSA. How is it different than any hiring based mercenaries?

If any Pakistani army-men lose lives there (God forbid thats not the case), who will be answerable? People signup in army for employment and sacrifice to their country. But I am not sure if that is justified to fight others wars.

Among all these, what I really feel is that Pakistan needs a leader with spine. They bend their back for the likes of China, US and now KSA. But, what is the impact that a common man gets in Pakistan?
 
‘Watershed’: How Saudi-Pakistan defence pact reshapes region’s geopolitics

A beaming Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif – welcomed with Saudi F-15 fighter jets, a red carpet, and full royal protocol – joined Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman on Wednesday to sign a “strategic mutual defence agreement” (SMDA).

Observers say it is a landmark moment in the decades-old alliance between the two nations whose ties stretch back nearly eight decades.

The signing ceremony at the Royal Court in Al-Yamamah Palace in Riyadh was witnessed by senior officials from Saudi Arabia, the custodian of two of Islam’s holiest sites, alongside representatives from Pakistan, the Muslim world’s only nuclear power.

The deal comes at a critical moment. Regional politics have been upended by two years of Israeli aggression – including its war on Gaza and strikes on neighbouring states – capped by last week’s Israeli attack on Doha, Qatar’s capital, which borders Saudi Arabia.

But it also comes amid heightened tensions between India and Pakistan, after a short but intense conflict in May in which they struck each other’s military bases over four days, taking South Asia to the brink of a full-fledged war between nuclear-armed neighbours.

Pakistan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs said the agreement with Saudi Arabia reflects the “shared commitment” of both nations to strengthen security and promote regional peace, while also pledging to “strengthen joint deterrence against any aggression”.

“The agreement states that any aggression against either country shall be considered an aggression against both,” the ministry said.

Asfandyar Mir, a senior fellow at the Washington DC-based Stimson Center, described the pact as a “watershed” for both countries.

“Pakistan previously maintained mutual defence treaties with the United States during the Cold War, but they crumbled by the ’70s. Even with China, despite extensive defence cooperation, Pakistan lacks a formal mutual defence pact,” Mir told Al Jazeera.

Muhammad Faisal, a South Asia security researcher at the University of Technology Sydney, said the deal could serve as a template for Pakistan to engage in similar bilateral defence cooperation with the United Arab Emirates and Qatar, two key Gulf partners.

“In the immediate term, this agreement will consolidate and formalise multi-prong defence cooperation already under way, and new avenues to expand it via joint trainings, defence production and potential expansion of Pakistani troops contingent in Saudi Arabia will be explored,” Faisal said.

Historic bonds and military cooperation

Saudi Arabia was one of the first countries to recognise Pakistan after its independence in August 1947. In 1951, the two nations signed a “Treaty of Friendship,” laying the foundation for decades of strategic, political, military, and economic cooperation.

Over the years, Pakistani armed forces have deployed to the kingdom several times and trained Saudi personnel both in the Gulf and in Pakistan.

According to official records, Pakistan has trained more than 8,000 Saudis since 1967. An agreement signed in 1982 further cemented this cooperation by ensuring the “deputation of Pakistan Armed Forces personnel and military training” in Saudi Arabia.

But the latest pact arrives as the Middle East’s geopolitical chessboard is in flux. The fallout from Israel’s war on Gaza and its strikes on regional neighbours has made Gulf states uneasy, many of which still rely heavily on United States security guarantees, even as Washington remains Israel’s closest ally.

Qatar, attacked by Israel on September 9 for hosting Hamas leaders, serves as the forward headquarters for US Central Command (Centcom).

As of mid-2025, some 40,000–50,000 US troops are stationed across the Middle East, deployed in large bases and smaller forward sites – at least 19 of them – including Prince Sultan Air Base outside Riyadh.

While Saudi officials say the deal with Pakistan has been in the works for at least a year, Sahar Khan, an independent security analyst in Washington, DC, said its language will raise eyebrows in the US.

During its tenure from 2021 to 2025, President Joe Biden’s administration imposed sanctions on seven occasions targeting Pakistani individuals and firms over alleged ballistic missile development. Biden administration officials also publicly raised concerns over the range of missiles Pakistan was building, and whether they could carry nuclear weapons as far as the US.

“Pakistan already has a credibility problem in Washington, and this agreement won’t reduce it,” Khan told Al Jazeera.

Khan said that it is in Pakistan’s interest to clarify that its nuclear and missiles programme is India-centric, and while its bilateral relations with Saudi Arabia remain strong, “it will not fight Saudi wars but instead, will only provide relevant support”.

A region on edge

Earlier this year, in June, Israel waged a 12-day war with Iran, targeting nuclear facilities as well as senior civilian and military leaders. American bomber jets supported the assault, dropping massive bunker-buster bombs on Fordow, one of Iran’s key nuclear sites.

Three months later, Israel struck a building in a leafy Doha neighbourhood that is home to embassies, supermarkets and schools, killing at least five Hamas members and one Qatari security official.

The Doha attack triggered an emergency meeting of Arab and Islamic nations. Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) states – Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE – said they would activate a joint defence mechanism.

Faisal said the Pakistan-Saudi pact should be viewed through the lens of these developments.

“These events have exacerbated security anxieties of the Gulf states while jeopardising confidence in the US security umbrella as the ultimate shield. As Gulf states look to bolster their security, regional countries such as Pakistan, Egypt and Turkiye emerge as natural partners,” he said.

Khan, however, said that while the timing of the pact does suggest a link with Israel’s recent attack on Qatar, “such kinds of agreements take months, if not years, to negotiate”.

Yet, the Stimson Center’s Mir pointed out that the agreement would also test how both Pakistan and Saudi Arabia manage their exposure to the other’s tensions with countries with which they have otherwise cautiously managed relations, or are even friends with.

“Pakistan now risks entanglement in Saudi Arabia’s regional rivalries, particularly with its neighbour Iran,” he said. “Saudi Arabia has committed itself to Pakistan’s disputes, notably with India, and potentially with the Taliban-led Afghanistan.”

The Indian question

The defence deal will also be watched closely in India, Pakistan’s nuclear-armed archrival.

Relations between India and Pakistan, already at a historic low, plummeted further in April after the Pahalgam attack, in which gunmen killed 26 civilians in Indian-administered Kashmir, for which India blamed Pakistan, which the latter rejected.

Days later, in May, the two countries fought a four-day skirmish, targeting each other’s military bases with missiles and drones in their most serious escalation in nearly three decades before a ceasefire on May 10 that US President Donald Trump claims he brokered.

On Thursday, during a weekly news briefing, Indian foreign ministry spokesperson Randhir Jaiswal said that the Indian government was aware of the signing of the pact.

“We will study the implications of this development for our national security as well as for regional and global stability. The government remains committed to protecting India’s national interests and ensuring comprehensive national security in all domains,” Jaiswal said.

But this agreement, says Sydney-based Faisal, could rebalance the Pakistan-Saudi relationship, which in recent years has been defined by Saudi financial bailouts for a struggling Pakistani economy, even as Riyadh cultivated closer ties with India.

“Pakistan’s relative position has improved,” he said, “and new space has opened for expanding the Pak-Saudi cooperation on both bilateral defence and regional security matters.”

With Pakistan’s economy faltering and increasingly dependent on Saudi aid during the last decade, India had been steadily deepening its own relationship with Riyadh. Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi made his third visit to Saudi Arabia in a decade this April.

Mir said the new pact shows that Saudi Arabia still sees value in its relationship with Pakistan, and that Islamabad is not isolated in its extended neighbourhood – despite Indian attempts to get countries to distance themselves from Pakistan.

“At precisely the moment when Pakistan is faced with the threat of Indian military action,” he said, “Pakistan has secured a strong collective defence agreement from Saudi Arabia. So, it introduces a lot of complexity to future India-Pakistan dynamics.”

Pakistan’s nuclear shield over Saudi Arabia?

Saudi Arabia has long expressed interest in acquiring nuclear technology for civilian use, to diversify from fossil fuels.

In January, Saudi Energy Minister Prince Abdulaziz bin Salman Al Saud reiterated Riyadh’s readiness to enrich and sell uranium, a key component of nuclear programmes.

But Saudi Arabia has also repeatedly made clear that it does not seek to pursue nuclear weapons.

In his 2024 book War, American journalist Bob Woodward recounted a conversation in which Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed reportedly told US Senator Lindsey Graham that Riyadh planned to enrich uranium only for energy purposes.

When Graham expressed concern about the prospect of a Saudi bomb, Woodward wrote, Salman replied:

“I don’t need uranium to make a bomb. I will just buy one from Pakistan.”

Still, Khan, the analyst, said some things were unclear about the ambit of the agreement signed between Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

“It is important to note that while Pakistan has made defence pacts before, none of those have led to nuclear assurances or a formation of a ‘nuclear umbrella’. There is nothing in this agreement that indicates a formation of a nuclear umbrella or any extended deterrence,” she said.

Mir warned that even robust alliances carry risks.

“The pact will trigger a new alliance politics around what it does or does not cover, deterrence, resource commitment, operational details, among others,” he said. However, he added, that does not diminish the political significance of this pact being struck.

“It’s a huge development for both countries.”

Faisal, too, agreed, pointing out that while the deal refers to treating an aggression against one country against both, that is perhaps more of a political statement, rather than an alliance or joint defence commitment, for now.

“Nonetheless, the political and defence coordination between the two sides will deepen, while strengthening respective military capabilities of both countries,” he said.

 
Did USA saved Qatar for bombing when Israel attack recently as USA have securities pact with them. Asking for a friend :klopp :kp
 
Who likes a rotten cake.
Our forces is not for sell like surrender forces . Indian forces are our pride and won 5 war over surrender forces.

Btw who is the nation which have biggest Surrender forces since World war 2.

Hint - 93000 is record for biggest Surrender since world war 2.

:klopp :kp
 
Good Saudi's finally waking up to vitriol and Islamophobia committed by Sanghis. Also new found love for devil Netanyahu. Anyone who butchers Muslims is their messiah. Be it Modi or Netanyahu. Sanghis expected same from Trump and worshipped him, but better sense prevailed. Guy is more business minded than blood lusty.

Radical Hindoos only like those Muslims who commit Shirk, visit mazaars, and practice Sufism. They love senile Muslims like Kalam, Pathan.
 
Pakistan needs all the help after their abject surrender in 4 days... It's a joke of military.. some one comes in and kills their prized terrorist asset, drone attacks their countrymen, fires brahmos and air defense cant even pick it up, gets their own airbases ... All 11 of them hit in 1 day and loses 6 aircrafts.. so it's good they are asking for arms in USA and military protection from KSA.
 
Pakistan needs all the help after their abject surrender in 4 days... It's a joke of military.. some one comes in and kills their prized terrorist asset, drone attacks their countrymen, fires brahmos and air defense cant even pick it up, gets their own airbases ... All 11 of them hit in 1 day and loses 6 aircrafts.. so it's good they are asking for arms in USA and military protection from KSA.

No. They lost all its aircraft.

And Shivangi is now the new chief of the Indian airforce.

:LOL:
 
Just heard from some sourced that 25000 pak soldiers will be deployed around saudia-yemen borders to fight against houthis. Saudia will pay 3500 riyal per month to each soldier. Dont know if its true or not.

Cheap slavery if its true
 
Just heard from some sourced that 25000 pak soldiers will be deployed around saudia-yemen borders to fight against houthis. Saudia will pay 3500 riyal per month to each soldier. Dont know if its true or not.

Cheap slavery if its true
You mean you read it from Indian social media handle :LOL:
 
Just heard from some sourced that 25000 pak soldiers will be deployed around saudia-yemen borders to fight against houthis. Saudia will pay 3500 riyal per month to each soldier. Dont know if its true or not.

Cheap slavery if its true
There has been a ceasefire in place between Yemen and Saudis since 2022.

The conflict is all but over.
 
India has always put its sovereignty first. Thats the exact reason why we haven't allowed other nations bases in India.

I understand the military agreements can be good deterrence. But there is no free lunch anywhere in the world. One should be very careful in defense partnerships as you putting lives of your countrymen at stake.

I heard that Pakistan will deploy forces at Yemeni border for KSA. How is it different than any hiring based mercenaries?

If any Pakistani army-men lose lives there (God forbid thats not the case), who will be answerable? People signup in army for employment and sacrifice to their country. But I am not sure if that is justified to fight others wars.

Among all these, what I really feel is that Pakistan needs a leader with spine. They bend their back for the likes of China, US and now KSA. But, what is the impact that a common man gets in Pakistan?
The Indian propaganda machine is out already.

Spare us please the fake concern.... Can you tell us why the first boat crossing individual to be sent back to France is...... wait for this.... Indian!! What is impact on the common man there? Why are they putting lives at risk at sea?
 
India has always put its sovereignty first. Thats the exact reason why we haven't allowed other nations bases in India.

I understand the military agreements can be good deterrence. But there is no free lunch anywhere in the world. One should be very careful in defense partnerships as you putting lives of your countrymen at stake.

I heard that Pakistan will deploy forces at Yemeni border for KSA. How is it different than any hiring based mercenaries?

If any Pakistani army-men lose lives there (God forbid thats not the case), who will be answerable? People signup in army for employment and sacrifice to their country. But I am not sure if that is justified to fight others wars.

Among all these, what I really feel is that Pakistan needs a leader with spine. They bend their back for the likes of China, US and now KSA. But, what is the impact that a common man gets in Pakistan?
Lots of nonsense in your post but lets start with a small point.

Please share where you have heard deployment of forces at Yemeni border. Please note that Pakistan declined to join this conflict in 2015. Now there has been no conflict between Saudi and Yemen since 2022.

I ask you kindly not to run away, let's see your source for this info. I kindly request you to not make any posts in the meantime, let's address this point and see where you are hearing things before posting it.
 
It's so funny to seem perplexed!! What a horrible 2025 for them thus far.

I heard Chabahar port waiver got pulled by USA in the last few days. That project is all but over now too :LOL:
Yes it is true it got pulled.

Pakistan refused to join action against Houthi in 2015 but Indian seem to believe they have joined it in 2025
:ROFLMAO:
 
Bcos India and Israel are friends.. and we don't trust a terrorist country like Saudi arabia with draconic laws that don't respect women and minorities

Thank you, you lived up to your name and told it straight unlike your more typical forked tongue compatriots who make pretense at being open open minded and impartial. 🐍

Hindutva ideology is strongly opposed to Islam, and vice versa. Saudis know deep down that you are enemies to their religion, and will support their foes when push comes to shove.
 
congrats Saudis for part owning nukes technology now.

Congrats to some Pak soldiers who will get a much higher living wage from Saudis for fighting in Yemen and produce more nafrati chintus + scroungers who can spread toxicity on India and point out to “poverty” and “toilet issues” in India and not worry about a living wage or conditions in native Pakistan.

Win-win for all.

Mudiji must rejine now after this double whammy.
 
Pakistanis are acting like a someone who is desperate to enter alliances because prospects of Bhartiya thrashing haunt the awaam and army, and rightly so after losing half their country in 1971.

I honestly don't beleive Saudi will do anything to defend Pakistan if it comes to that, but if they do, good for you guys. We will see.
 
congrats Saudis for part owning nukes technology now.

Congrats to some Pak soldiers who will get a much higher living wage from Saudis for fighting in Yemen and produce more nafrati chintus + scroungers who can spread toxicity on India and point out to “poverty” and “toilet issues” in India and not worry about a living wage or conditions in native Pakistan.

Win-win for all.

Mudiji must rejine now after this double whammy.

Do you ever stop to think perhaps India does not need to be reactive and could actually engineer favourable relations with it's neighbours? They don't have to be friendly, how about just practical like the Chinese model? Or Saudi for that matter.
 
I mentioned in another thread, the Zionists dont need the Arab leaders any longer ,they are in what they believe the final stages of Greater Israel. The Arab leaders know this hence their earlier pomp for Trump but after Qatar attack they realise Trump wont help them, he's compromised going back to Epstein. So next option is Pakistan, a nuclear power with a large army.

This is pretty easy to figure out, what isnt is why Indian RSS fanboys and fangirls are crying over this after spending most of their miserable lives attacking Muslims and their faith? RSS are weirdos lol.
 
Do you ever stop to think perhaps India does not need to be reactive and could actually engineer favourable relations with it's neighbours? They don't have to be friendly, how about just practical like the Chinese model? Or Saudi for that matter.
Can you grasp the concept that Pak-Saudi can have their own bilateral agreements and India- Saudi can have their own without the involvement of any Ind-Pak caveat in those deals right? Pakistan public I can understand but you know how such deals/ agreement work in the Uk too right? Countries tend to have their independent policies which some times conflict with their larger intrests or ideologies. That’s how it works.

Good to see atleast a non-snarky balanced response for a change even if I agree or not .👍 my tone will reflect the same. Hope it continues.
 
Can you grasp the concept that Pak-Saudi can have their own bilateral agreements and India- Saudi can have their own without the involvement of any Ind-Pak caveat in those deals right? Pakistan public I can understand but you know how such deals/ agreement work in the Uk too right? Countries tend to have their independent policies which some times conflict with their larger intrests or ideologies. That’s how it works.

Good to see atleast a non-snarky balanced response for a change even if I agree or not .👍 my tone will reflect the same. Hope it continues.
Your great operation was the catalyst for these agreements is the point, other than that it has nothing to do with India. Indirectly you’ve helped a failing government and country out a lot. Thanks.
 
Can you grasp the concept that Pak-Saudi can have their own bilateral agreements and India- Saudi can have their own without the involvement of any Ind-Pak caveat in those deals right? Pakistan public I can understand but you know how such deals/ agreement work in the Uk too right? Countries tend to have their independent policies which some times conflict with their larger intrests or ideologies. That’s how it works.

Good to see atleast a non-snarky balanced response for a change even if I agree or not .👍 my tone will reflect the same. Hope it continues.

But you fail to acknowledge that I was replying to YOUR snarky remarks, which I mostly ignored, but then you still didn't really answer the question. Which was why India is reactive when it comes to Pakistan and doesn't engineer favourable relations instead given it's size and clout. Especially since you yourself have described Pakistanis as nafrati scroungers and natives living in poor conditions in your post.
 
Lots of nonsense in your post but lets start with a small point.

Please share where you have heard deployment of forces at Yemeni border. Please note that Pakistan declined to join this conflict in 2015. Now there has been no conflict between Saudi and Yemen since 2022.

I ask you kindly not to run away, let's see your source for this info. I kindly request you to not make any posts in the meantime, let's address this point and see where you are hearing things before posting it.
It was not confirmed and hence I quoted that “I heard”. Did I point it out as a fact? No.

Nonsense? Did Pakistan not fight the US wars? What has Pakistan benefitted from its association from the US? Didn't you know that the US operated its airbase in Pakistan?


I stand corrected if the news is false but I didn't state it as a fact or made any accusation. Why will I run away in that case? Unlike someone who dig potshots at India hiding behind lame sarcasm.
 
PTI reacts to Pakistan Saudi Arabia defence agreement

The Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) on Friday welcomed the signing of the Pakistan-Saudi Arabia Strategic Mutual Defence Agreement (SMDA).

In a statement shared on X, PTI Information Secretary Sheikh Waqas Akram said the party views the development as a reaffirmation of the historic and deeply — rooted in Islamic brotherhood, shared strategic interests, and longstanding mutual support.

“Strengthening defence and security cooperation between the two brotherly nations holds immense potential to positively contribute to both bilateral relations and regional stability,” the statement read.

Akram noted that PTI founder Imran Khan has always envisioned Pakistan as a nation that unites the Muslim world, builds cooperation among nations and advances the prospects of peace.


 
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