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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The United States condemns the terror attack in Barcelona, Spain, and will do whatever is necessary to help. Be tough & strong, we love you!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/898243270169563136">August 17, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Study what General Pershing of the United States did to terrorists when caught. There was no more Radical Islamic Terror for 35 years!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/898254409511129088">August 17, 2017</a></blockquote>
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This incident he seems to be referencing doesn't appear to have happened. http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pershing.asp
 
[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] he responded pretty quickly to the Barcelona attack within an hour of it breaking and condemned it whole heartedly but it took him a lot longer to condemn the attack by the white supremacist terrorist in his own country.
 
[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] he responded pretty quickly to the Barcelona attack within an hour of it breaking and condemned it whole heartedly but it took him a lot longer to condemn the attack by the white supremacist terrorist in his own country.

Didn't even condemn the Charlottesville thing properly, blaming 'both sides'... yeah because Nazis and those opposing them are equally bad.
 
[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] first he condemned them then a day later he was like both sides have bad. what about the alt left. And that there was a lot of good people in the march against the taking down of a confederate statue.
 
It's amazing how such a dump bigoted person like DT got to become the President of USA. I think it really hurt the white Americans that they saw 8 years of a black president so much that they blindly voted for this man.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Trump is citing a fictional story about a man who shot Muslims with bullets dipped in pigs' blood as a great counterterrorism measure. 2017.</p>— Sulome Anderson (@SulomeAnderson) <a href="https://twitter.com/SulomeAnderson/status/898261313561833474">August 17, 2017</a></blockquote>
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It's amazing how such a dump bigoted person like DT got to become the President of USA. I think it really hurt the white Americans that they saw 8 years of a black president so much that they blindly voted for this man.

They will do everything heir power to convince you otherwise. They will talk about obama ruining the country and the wars and the debt and he bad economy and illegal immigrants and the supposed "handouts" to poor people etc. it has nothing to do with his color or his lineage in his fathers side. That's what they will tell you.
 
Oh Lord!

Donald Trump suggests fighting terrorism by executing Muslims with pig blood dipped bullets

Donald Trump tonight suggested fighting terrorism by executing Muslims with bullets dipped in pigs blood.

Two days after saying he checks facts before making a statement, he referenced a false story about a US general committing what would now be considered a war crime.

The President’s tweet came in the aftermath of the Barcelona Terror attack which killed at least 12 people and left dozens injured.

After condemning the attack and offering US assistance to Spain, the President’s thoughts turned to preventative measures.

He wrote: “Study what General Pershing of the United States did to terrorists when caught. There was no more Radical Islamic Terror for 35 years!”

While many scratched their heads over the oblique reference to US military history, Trump has told his story of General Pershing before.

And it’s definitely fake.

Here's what he meant with this tweet

Speaking at a February 2016 campaign rally in South Carolina, he told a story about Pershing executing Muslim prisoners in the Philippine-American war, in which he served between 1909 and 1913.

As Governor of Moro province in the Philippines, Pershing had to contend with local Muslims who resisted the American occupying force.

"They were having terrorism problems, just like we do," Trump said. "And he caught 50 terrorists who did tremendous damage and killed many people. And he took the 50 terrorists, and he took 50 men and he dipped 50 bullets in pigs' blood — you heard that, right? He took 50 bullets, and he dipped them in pigs’ blood.

“And he had his men load his rifles, and he lined up the 50 people, and they shot 49 of those people. And the 50th person, he said: You go back to your people, and you tell them what happened. And for 25 years, there wasn’t a problem. Okay? Twenty-five years, there wasn't a problem."

He also told the crowd they could read about the story in the history books, "but not a lot of the history books, because they don't like to teach it."

It didn’t happen.

Where did the story come from?

Historians have noted newspaper articles from decades after the supposed event, which told a story of Pershing sprinkling pig blood on bullets to threaten prisoners with “eternal damnation”, but even these accounts say there was no actual massacre, and prisoners were released.

Other articles attributed the tale to other people, not Pershing.

In fact, according to historian William Lambers : “Pershing was more inclined toward peace talks with the Moros rather than violence. The General met with the Moros and read from the Koran with them. Pershing wanted to build bridges.“

Fact-checking website Politifact asked eight historians about the story, and reported: “Most expressed skepticism that the specific story ever happened, and many added that Trump’s takeaway is wrong-headed.”

The story has, however, been circulated widely online in the years since 9/11.

Wow.

Yeah.

On Tuesday, Donald Trump excused himself from having taken two days to condemn the white supremacists who led a violent and deadly march in Charlottesville, Virginia over the weekend by claiming he had been waiting for the true facts of the incident to become clear.

He said: “Unlike the media, before I make a statement I like to know the facts."

Tonight, with neither irony nor apparent self-awareness, the President of the United States proved that statement, in itself, to be a lie.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...ggested-fighting-11007233?ICID=FB_mirror_main
 
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I can sense millions of pigs are about to be slaughtered all over the red neck regions of America.
 
I'm waiting for him to quote Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings any day now.
 
It's a terrible idea. For one thing you wouldn't get enough US troops to actually put boots on the ground in case there was casualties. Drones are much safer in that regard.
 
The guy suffers from Delusions.

I literally laugh at his statements because he is nothig but a comedian.

Watch Seth Myers weekly rip into him.
 
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The guy suffers from Delusions.

I literally laugh at his statements because he is nothig but a comedian.

Watch Seth Myers weekly rip into him.

Mate it's daily and so entertaining that I reckon it's third on my list of shows to watch.

1. GOT
2. Trevor Noah
3. Seth Meyer

What?
 
He said this during the campaign as well.

I warned you guys about him during the election campaign, yet you had folks here adamant he'd tone down his rhetoric after winning office.

How's that working out ? A bigot will not change his colours. Go through his history, he has a record of playing to the racist crowd - even before his ridiculous Birther movement.

[MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION], [MENTION=39633]Cracket[/MENTION] and [MENTION=7898]Gabbar Singh[/MENTION] - still stand by your claims Trump would be better for the Muslim community ?
 
this guy is an absolute idiot. but this is a common myth amongst right wing extremists in the U.S in particular. I watched a BBC documentary in some backwater of America where u had these vigilantes training to defend their local area from ISIS n they were dipping their bullets in lard n pigs blood because they thought it was a commonly held islamic belief that if you are killed by anything impure u will go to hell.

these extremists dont care how they die. but they believe once they die they are guaranteed heaven as a martyr. You could fire bacon grease at them it wouldnt matter or be anymore effective than a normal weapon.
 
[MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION], [MENTION=39633]Cracket[/MENTION] and [MENTION=7898]Gabbar Singh[/MENTION] - still stand by your claims Trump would be better for the Muslim community ?

The choice was between Trump and Clinton. Clinton would have been an even worse wackjob as President, except that she'd be shrouded behind several walls of PR. Here, Trump is quoting an incident that didn't even happen. In decades to come, future presidents would have been quoting Hilary for something dastardly she went ahead and did - against Muslims or otherwise.
 
The choice was between Trump and Clinton. Clinton would have been an even worse wackjob as President, except that she'd be shrouded behind several walls of PR. Here, Trump is quoting an incident that didn't even happen. In decades to come, future presidents would have been quoting Hilary for something dastardly she went ahead and did - against Muslims or otherwise.

Its amazing what usually intelligent posters will convince themselves of when they've making the same argument for 2 years, regardless of facts and reality, and continue to do so for fear of losing face if they now retract. There was a big difference last November. Only one candidate in the campaign promised to kill FAMILY members of terrorists, escalate the bombing raids in the Middle East, introduce a Muslim immigration ban and kept white nationalists in his inner circle like Bannon and Miller. Believe me I've many issues with Clinton's record. My preference was Sanders, but neither would've presided over this explosion of racial hatred that Trump has.

Your claim like other Trump apologists on here that he'd listen to advice from moderates and tone down his rhetoric once President has been flatly DISPROVED yet you persist with discredited arguments. Let's focus on facts not hypotheticals which I'd like you to address instead of your usual selective quotation on one part of a post.

The number of hate groups specifically targeting Muslims in the US has nearly tripled in the past year. In Portland we saw Muslims attacked on a train with the people defending them brutally killed. In Charlottesville neo-Nazis are emboldened enough by a President who lends them respectability, to march openly, and kill a counterprotester with a car. Then there's the mosque attacks, most notably in Minnesota where one was bombed by a white supremacist. On average, 9 mosques have been targeted every month this year.

Is this all an innocent coincidence or, more likely, a symptom of a Presidency that panders to the xenophobic and bigoted impulses of the far-right for political gain ? Trump ROUTINELY fails to condemn them. Is he only the President of White America ?

As for foreign policy - he's overseen more civilian casualties in Iraq and Syria in 8 months than Obama's tally in eight years. He promised isolationism on the campaign, bur surrounds himself with military hawks like Mattis and McMaster.

I know a conman when I see one, and its encouraging day by day more Americans are too.
 
The guy suffers from Delusions.

I literally laugh at his statements because he is nothig but a comedian.

Watch Seth Myers weekly rip into him.

Mate it's daily and so entertaining that I reckon it's third on my list of shows to watch.

1. GOT
2. Trevor Noah
3. Seth Meyer

What?

Seth Meyers is a softie and it's a bit personal for him so he is more air than substance

Watch out for Stephen Colbert's daily takedowns of this madman
 
Seth Meyers is a softie and it's a bit personal for him so he is more air than substance

Watch out for Stephen Colbert's daily takedowns of this madman

I watch them all!!!
It's just so entertaining. Sometimes I wonder what would I have done without Trump!
 
He said this during the campaign as well.

I warned you guys about him during the election campaign, yet you had folks here adamant he'd tone down his rhetoric after winning office.

How's that working out ? A bigot will not change his colours. Go through his history, he has a record of playing to the racist crowd - even before his ridiculous Birther movement.

[MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION], [MENTION=39633]Cracket[/MENTION] and [MENTION=7898]Gabbar Singh[/MENTION] - still stand by your claims Trump would be better for the Muslim community ?

Trump was talking about terrorist ****. Not Muslims. Its clear from his trip to Saudi Arabia and his condemnation for the war against Assad that he wants peace in the region and actually wants Muslims as a whole to flourish. He just wants to blot out the scourge of Salafism, and if I'm right, I think he has convinced Saudi Royal family to give up that ideology, if their actions against Qatar and their interest in rebuilding Iraq is anything to go by.

Your queen Hillary, would have knocked over Assad by now and ISIS would have been sitting on the throne and butchering whatever remaining Christians and moderates are left in Syria. I don't know why you can't see that.
 
[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] he responded pretty quickly to the Barcelona attack within an hour of it breaking and condemned it whole heartedly but it took him a lot longer to condemn the attack by the white supremacist terrorist in his own country.

This is playing right into the liberal media's narrative.

Notice how Hillary, Obama, etc never condemned Islamic based terrorism by name - they only condemned generic "terrorism". Not that I see anything wrong with that, btw, but Trump also condemned bigotry in his first speech within hours of the Charlottesville attack and I'm pretty sure the language covers racist bigots on the right. Yet the media manufactured an outrage.
 
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Trump was talking about terrorist ****. Not Muslims. Its clear from his trip to Saudi Arabia and his condemnation for the war against Assad that he wants peace in the region and actually wants Muslims as a whole to flourish. He just wants to blot out the scourge of Salafism, and if I'm right, I think he has convinced Saudi Royal family to give up that ideology, if their actions against Qatar and their interest in rebuilding Iraq is anything to go by.

Your queen Hillary, would have knocked over Assad by now and ISIS would have been sitting on the throne and butchering whatever remaining Christians and moderates are left in Syria. I don't know why you can't see that.

Yes he wants peace in Middle East by relaxing the rules of engagement and overseeing RECORD civilian casualties in Iraq and Syria - already higher in 8 months than 8 years of Obama.

On the campaign trail he didn't want to get involved in a quagmire in Syria, and attacked Obama for proposing strikes against Assad's regime in 2013, yet bombed Assad's forces WITHOUT Congressional, UNSC or NATO consultation.

He wants Muslims to flourish but announces an immigration ban and oversees a 91% increase in anti-Muslim hate crimes in the first half of 2017 compared to last year, all the while surrounding himself with white nationalists like Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon who are raging Islamophobes.
 
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Yes he wants peace in Middle East by relaxing the rules of engagement and overseeing RECORD civilian casualties in Iraq and Syria - already higher in 8 months than 8 years of Obama.

On the campaign trail he didn't want to get involved in a quagmire in Syria, and attacked Obama for proposing strikes against Assad's regime in 2013, yet bombed Assad's forces WITHOUT Congressional, UNSC or NATO consultation.

He wants Muslims to flourish but announces an immigration ban and oversees a 91% increase in anti-Muslim hate crimes in the first half of 2017 compared to last year, all the while surrounding himself with white nationalists like Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon who are raging Islamophobes.

Trump bombed Assad for optics. No actual damage was done there, it was a barren airstrip with barely any people. He has just ended CIA and Pentagon's program to fund Al-Nusra and other anti-Assad rebels, which was just a continuation of the neocon government toppling wars that started with Iraq and championed by Trump hating D.C.

Don't you ever get tired of being their sheep?
 
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The Muslims from Moro island were not terrorists just native Muslims of Moro who were resisting the imperialist us troops and before that the Spanish

I don't know how he has mixed an imperial colonisation to the attacks happening in European streets
 
Trump bombed Assad for optics. No actual damage was done there, it was a barren airstrip with barely any people. He has just ended CIA and Pentagon's program to fund Al-Nusra and other anti-Assad rebels, which was just a continuation of the neocon government toppling wars that started with Iraq and championed by Trump hating D.C.

Don't you ever get tired of being their sheep?

I've missed you Cracket, been a long time since we've had our knockabouts. However what's not changed is your cheerleading of Trump decisions you'd cry hoarse about under Obama.

An illegal bombing without Congressional, UN and NATO authorisation which the mainstream media you despise actually CHEERED. Remember Fareed Zakaria's laughable "now he became US President" comment ? Trump's no different to the Presidents preceding him - warmongering abroad to look a strongman at home, the SAME thing he accused Obama of in 2013.

Also note the hypocrisy. You criticise Obama's record of civilian casualties in the Middle East, which yes must be condemned, yet you offer no comment on the 2,200+ civilians he's murdered from the air since his inauguration as he loosens the rules of engagement.

https://www.economist.com/news/unit...are-being-loosened-president-making-it-easier

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/...ilians.html?referer=https://www.google.co.uk/

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...e-killing-far-more-civilians-under-trump.html

Another example is the botched Yemen raid. Repubs screamed about the nonexistent Benghazi scandal for years yet are silent as Trump oversaw a mission that killed 16 women and children as well as Navy Seal Ryan Owens. It yielded no significant intelligence, no militants were seized but Trump approved the raid without sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations.

Then he has the GALL to bring Owens's widow to Congress and hail the heroism of her husband HE killed thanks to his incompetence. So your boy is a war criminal just like the neocons you claim to rail against.

The "isolationist" has also surrounded himself with nothing but neocon hawks from Mattis (notable anti-Iran hawk) to McMaster and Pompeo. All of whom are doing their best to undermine the Iran deal where Trump wants to declare Iran as non-compliant in September. Reminds me of the Bush years, makie a decision and cherrypick the intelligence to suit your agenda.
 
[MENTION=39633]Cracket[/MENTION] Trump made a huge point about Hillary n Obama being scared to name the elephant in the room and call it islamic extremism or radical islamic terror as Trump likes to call it.

so when there is a march of neo nazis surely condemning white nationalism and white supremacy in the clearest terms would be Trump setting the example.

He condemned it initially then said that there were a lot of good people in the Charlottesville march. They werent Nazis they were just marching with them and were upset by the statue. Which is a pathetic softball comment.

then again Trump knows he did draw a lot of support from white nationalists and neo nazis so he cant alienate them completely by throwing them under the bus.
 
I've missed you Cracket, been a long time since we've had our knockabouts. However what's not changed is your cheerleading of Trump decisions you'd cry hoarse about under Obama.

An illegal bombing without Congressional, UN and NATO authorisation which the mainstream media you despise actually CHEERED. Remember Fareed Zakaria's laughable "now he became US President" comment ? Trump's no different to the Presidents preceding him - warmongering abroad to look a strongman at home, the SAME thing he accused Obama of in 2013.

Also note the hypocrisy. You criticise Obama's record of civilian casualties in the Middle East, which yes must be condemned, yet you offer no comment on the 2,200+ civilians he's murdered from the air since his inauguration as he loosens the rules of engagement.

https://www.economist.com/news/unit...are-being-loosened-president-making-it-easier

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/...ilians.html?referer=https://www.google.co.uk/

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...e-killing-far-more-civilians-under-trump.html

Another example is the botched Yemen raid. Repubs screamed about the nonexistent Benghazi scandal for years yet are silent as Trump oversaw a mission that killed 16 women and children as well as Navy Seal Ryan Owens. It yielded no significant intelligence, no militants were seized but Trump approved the raid without sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations.

Then he has the GALL to bring Owens's widow to Congress and hail the heroism of her husband HE killed thanks to his incompetence. So your boy is a war criminal just like the neocons you claim to rail against.

The "isolationist" has also surrounded himself with nothing but neocon hawks from Mattis (notable anti-Iran hawk) to McMaster and Pompeo. All of whom are doing their best to undermine the Iran deal where Trump wants to declare Iran as non-compliant in September. Reminds me of the Bush years, makie a decision and cherrypick the intelligence to suit your agenda.


Talk about cherry picking intelligence, not just Obama's drone wars should be condemned - But his State Dept. blowing the tops of in Libya and Syria should too. Nothing Trump has done so far comes close to toppling governments which has resulted in some of the most violence in Mid-East.

Trump is the only President in the last three decades to pull back CIA's program to topple governments in Mid-East. The only one.

I read your links for Trump relaxing rules of engagement - that is sad to read. I believe Trump has handed over a lot of authority to Mattis and Pentagon, who are at this point loving the flexibility and going ham - they need to be reigned him and hopefully Trump will. Though if you want to compare numbers - Bush has at least milllion dead on his hands due to Iraq, and Obama/Hillary for half a million more that resulted in Libya's government being turned upside down for some bull **** propaganda humanitarian cause only for ISIS to grow and take over.

Another example is the botched Yemen raid. Repubs screamed about the nonexistent Benghazi scandal for years yet are silent as Trump oversaw a mission that killed 16 women and children as well as Navy Seal Ryan Owens. It yielded no significant intelligence, no militants were seized but Trump approved the raid without sufficient intelligence, ground support or adequate backup preparations.

Then he has the GALL to bring Owens's widow to Congress and hail the heroism of her husband HE killed thanks to his incompetence. So your boy is a war criminal just like the neocons you claim to rail against.

This is fake news all around. The raid resulted in significant intelligence - the source is James Mattis himself. Owen's wife accepted Trump's invitation. You do not speak for her or Owen's family. The moral grandstanding you're putting on is based on entirely debunked news and that is shameful.

I'm well aware Trump is still surrounded by pro neocon war Generals, and they are hungry to topple both Syria and Iran - But Trump will not let them. They know his platform and they will abide by his orders. Trump is doing what Obama promised in 2008. Trump is the one putting an end to the government toppling wars. Trump is not done yet, and clearly he has ways to go in Yemen, but Syria so far has been a good start and I believe even Macron has joined Trump in wanting an end to Western efforts to depose Assad.
 
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Also, when it comes to the story Trump cited, MSM and their liberal fact checking shops (snopes, politifact, etc) are wrong.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Trump is citing a fictional story about a man who shot Muslims with bullets dipped in pigs' blood as a great counterterrorism measure. 2017.</p>— Sulome Anderson (@SulomeAnderson) <a href="https://twitter.com/SulomeAnderson/status/898261313561833474">August 17, 2017</a></blockquote>
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From Pershing's own words:
 

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Talk about cherry picking intelligence, not just Obama's drone wars should be condemned - But his State Dept. blowing the tops of in Libya and Syria should too.
Referring to Trump's plans to declare Iran non-compliant with the nuclear deal with that cherrypicking comment - he's made the decision but has assembled a team of aides to find the evidence to justify it to satisify the anti-Iran hawks in his administration.

Utterly senseless to be picking a fight with Iran when they can help resolve the crisis in Iraq and Syria.

I read your links for Trump relaxing rules of engagement - that is sad to read. I believe Trump has handed over a lot of authority to Mattis and Pentagon, who are at this point loving the flexibility and going ham - they need to be reigned him and hopefully Trump will. Though if you want to compare numbers - Bush has at least milllion dead on his hands due to Iraq, and Obama/Hillary for half a million more that resulted in Libya's government being turned upside down for some bull **** propaganda humanitarian cause only for ISIS to grow and take over.
Its not a competition of numbers - civilian deaths are deaths and Trump has been no better than his predecessors in this regard.

Its only been a year and already he's broken the Obama tally in Iraq and Syria - if he serves a full term that number will be even higher. These civilian losses FUELS terrorism !

This is fake news all around. The raid resulted in significant intelligence - the source is James Mattis himself.

George W Bush - "we are in Iraq to disarm Saddam's weapons of mass destruction". I think you are long in the tooth enough not to take US Admin official words at face value.

Mattis's words are meaningless, there should be an independent investigation. Obviously the Pentagon will say it produced actionable intelligence and not reveal anything detrimental to the public.

Obama did not sign off on the raid due to the risks, Trump did so he could prove how much of a tough guy he is, and killed 16 women and children in the process.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investi...ignificant-intelligence-say-officials-n726451

Owen's wife accepted Trump's invitation. You do not speak for her or Owen's family. The moral grandstanding you're putting on is based on entirely debunked news and that is shameful.
Debunked by who ? Mattis ? Its like saying Don Rumsfeld debunked the WMD controversy :))

Owens's father REFUSED to meet Trump. Owens's wife doesn't know the truth - which would emerge from an independent investigation. There's more grounds for one than the nonexistent Benghazi scandal that Repubs spent four years investigating.
 
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Seth Meyers is a softie and it's a bit personal for him so he is more air than substance

Watch out for Stephen Colbert's daily takedowns of this madman

I watch them both but I just find Meyers humour more funny.

John Oliver is another good one though he prefers to talk all sorts of other news while these 2 prefer to target Trump more.
 
The Muslims from Moro island were not terrorists just native Muslims of Moro who were resisting the imperialist us troops and before that the Spanish

I don't know how he has mixed an imperial colonisation to the attacks happening in European streets

Trump has no idea.

He has been fed this rubbish by his Alt-right friend Steve Bannon. It's a conspiracy theory and Trump and conspiracies go together easily, especially if it fits his delusional narrative.
 
Referring to Trump's plans to declare Iran non-compliant with the nuclear deal with that cherrypicking comment - he's made the decision but has assembled a team of aides to find the evidence to justify it to satisify the anti-Iran hawks in his administration.

Utterly senseless to be picking a fight with Iran when they can help resolve the crisis in Iraq and Syria.

I agree, but D.C. is full of anti-Iran hawks. Trump has more or less no choice but to hire them and get them to change their stance. Seriously - the two people who were no hawks were Mike Flynn and Steve Bannnon, both have left the administration.

The pro-war military industry lobby is very strong. Who was your alternative, btw, would have have brought us a cabinet full of a anti-hawk generals? Hillary? I hope you were backing Sanders because otherwise I'd have to laugh some more. Look, at the end of the day, TRUMP still was the only one in the final crop of presidential candidates who even dared to defy the official D.C./CIA tone on Syria. He's still our best shot at averting a CIA/West back coup in Iran.

Its not a competition of numbers - civilian deaths are deaths and Trump has been no better than his predecessors in this regard.

Its only been a year and already he's broken the Obama tally in Iraq and Syria - if he serves a full term that number will be even higher. These civilian losses FUELS terrorism !

I agree, and I've said Trump should reign them in. Credit should also go to Trump for ending CIAs pro-war activities in Syria. Assad may soon claim to be perhaps the first leader in the world to say West/CIA attempted and failed to kick him out. When it comes to the bigger picture, Trump is doing some very right, very anti-establishment things, but yes I agree with you also on the fact that he needs to do much more.

George W Bush - "we are in Iraq to disarm Saddam's weapons of mass destruction". I think you are long in the tooth enough not to take US Admin official words at face value.

Mattis's words are meaningless, there should be an independent investigation. Obviously the Pentagon will say it produced actionable intelligence and not reveal anything detrimental to the public.

Obama did not sign off on the raid due to the risks, Trump did so he could prove how much of a tough guy he is, and killed 16 women and children in the process.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investi...ignificant-intelligence-say-officials-n726451

Fair enough - if Mattis is not trustable and the MSM is - what's to say he did not feed false info to Trump? Ever since then however Mattis has done very effective raids and bombings against ISIS.

Owens's father REFUSED to meet Trump. Owens's wife doesn't know the truth - which would emerge from an independent investigation. There's more grounds for one than the nonexistent Benghazi scandal that Repubs spent four years investigating.

Like I said, you don't speak for Owen's wife.

Benghazi scandal was caused by Hillary sleeping and avoiding calls for security while Americas were being butchered. They then blamed her incompetence on YouTube videos with a straight face. Benghazi was more of a screw up than this raid that got Owen killed.
 
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