Don't go to fight in Kashmir, PM Imran Khan warns Pakistanis

[Abdullah719]

Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan warned citizens Wednesday that anyone who goes to fight jihad in Kashmir will hurt the territory's cause, as anger simmers between Islamabad and New Delhi over the disputed region.

Indian authorities are waiting for "any excuse" to crack down in the Himalayan region, he warned, promising again to raise the issue at the United Nations General Assembly next week.

Tensions have spiked over Kashmir, parts of which are administered by both India and Pakistan, since Delhi moved on August 5 to revoke the autonomy of the portion it controls.

Since then, leaders in both countries have engaged in an escalating war of words, with Delhi warning that Pakistan — long believed to be using proxy militant groups in Kashmir — was planning attacks.

Islamabad has promised to stand by the Kashmiris following the move and publicly accused India of carrying out a potential "genocide" in the region.

India has flooded its side of Kashmir with troops in a security clampdown to prevent any violence, igniting outrage in Pakistan.

"If someone from Pakistan goes to India to fight... he will be the first to do an injustice to Kashmiris, he will be the enemy of Kashmiris," Khan said during a speech in Torkham, on the border with Afghanistan.

"They need an excuse," he said of Indian troops. "It will provide them an excuse for torture and barbarism."

Kashmir, split between the two countries since 1947, has been the spark for two major wars and countless clashes between them.

Khan spoke after Pakistan fired back Wednesday at Delhi's "jingoistic rhetoric" when India's foreign minister vowed to retake Islamabad's portion Kashmir.

"We strongly condemn and reject" the remarks, Pakistan's foreign ministry said in a statement hours after Subrahmanyam Jaishankar told a press conference Tuesday that Pakistani-controlled Kashmir is "part of India and we expect one day that we will have the... physical jurisdiction over it".

Tensions have spiralled since New Delhi's move on its side of the de facto border -- the Line of Control -- to change the status of the Himalayan territory, with Pakistan repeatedly likening Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi to Hitler and calling for international intervention.

Khan has held demonstrations across the country to protest the move and will highlight the issue later this month at the UN General Assembly in New York.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/inter...-against-jihad-in-kashmir/article29450251.ece

 

[Sir-fraz]

well said by imran, you dont want them to be labeled as terrorists...

 

[Zeshan547]

he is such a coward, time to talk has been long over now its time for action otherwise stop shedding crocodile tears for Kashmiris. He is such a hypocrite.

 

[ArendtFan]

Good call by Imran Khan - here’s hoping he enjoys enough goodwill to ensure stray outfits don’t take unilateral action and wage their private wars.
The best war strategy is to not start a war.

 

[Ram Shekhar]

Great words by Imran. One of the few responsible world leaders who cares about people!

 

[Hamza_]

What is our (Pakistan's) actual solution to this problem?

 

[ahsan17]

This is only part of the problem. They will still paint Indian Kashmiris who carry out attacks as Pakistani (e.g. the guy who carried out the Pulwama attack).

 

[IndianHero]

This is only part of the problem. They will still paint Indian Kashmiris who carry out attacks as Pakistani (e.g. the guy who carried out the Pulwama attack).

No not always we call them pakistanis ! India says pakistani organisations like Jaish-e-Mohammad brain wash young kashmiris like Adil Ahmad Dar (who carried the attack) to conduct terrorist activities in India.

More details about pulwama attach from link below :

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-47249133

Jaish-e-Mohammad even owned the attack by releasing a video !

 

[KingKhanWC]

No not always we call them pakistanis ! India says pakistani organisations like Jaish-e-Mohammad brain wash young kashmiris like Adil Ahmad Dar (who carried the attack) to conduct terrorist activities in India.

More details about pulwama attach from link below :

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-47249133

Jaish-e-Mohammad even owned the attack by releasing a video !

lol. Anyone can make a video.

Where did the explosives come from? What is the official Indian narrative on this?

 

[Mr.Q]

he is such a coward, time to talk has been long over now its time for action otherwise stop shedding crocodile tears for Kashmiris. He is such a hypocrite.

What action are you talking about?

 

[KingKhanWC]

What action are you talking about?

Imran doesn't want war as this will see many people killed. He is not an extremist like Modi and wants good relations with everyone.

However imo Imran doesn't know how to proceed in this situation, a bit stuck.

If the US, UK, France and others can openly finance, arm and support terrorist groups in Libya and Syria because they are fighing a regime, surely by the same morals or even superiour morals Paksitan can support occupied people in such a way? Pakistan should send arms to those groups in IOK who want to defend themselves against occupying mudering forces.

 

[troodon]

Imran is a man with right intentions. Good advice to all Pakistanis.

 

[mgtow]

I am gonna say what Imranistan would have said. Imran Khan is acting like Indian agent.

 

[ahsan17]

No not always we call them pakistanis ! India says pakistani organisations like Jaish-e-Mohammad brain wash young kashmiris like Adil Ahmad Dar (who carried the attack) to conduct terrorist activities in India.

More details about pulwama attach from link below :

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-47249133

Jaish-e-Mohammad even owned the attack by releasing a video !

But they didn't even want to discuss that explosives would have to have been acquired in India, and that the guy was radicalized within Indian Kashmir. Which kind of proves my point, that they will try to link it to Pakistan no matter what.

 

[Mr.Q]

Imran doesn't want war as this will see many people killed. He is not an extremist like Modi and wants good relations with everyone.

However imo Imran doesn't know how to proceed in this situation, a bit stuck.

If the US, UK, France and others can openly finance, arm and support terrorist groups in Libya and Syria because they are fighing a regime, surely by the same morals or even superiour morals Paksitan can support occupied people in such a way? Pakistan should send arms to those groups in IOK who want to defend themselves against occupying mudering forces.

No I think that would be a political suicide for Imran Khan. India is not Libya or Syria and the Indian army has a very strong presence in Kashmir. If Pakistan sends terrorists to India,

a) It’s unlikely to succeed as we have seen from the incidents in the past few weeks.

b) Many innocent people may get killed along with the terrorists.

c) India has the resources to prove the place of origin of these terrorists and Pakistan risks being in the FATF blacklist (this can have grave consequences)

d) And from a personal pov, it would be very embarrassing for Imran. I don’t think he would do something that makes him look like a clown.

Pakistan has a lot to lose in this. It’s definitely not a ‘we’ve got nothing to lose’ scenario, at least for the people of Pakistan. They have the right to lead a decent life too and at some point they’ll ask “what have you done for us?”. Pakistan is facing a major financial crisis and even the CPEC, which is supported by China is facing major roadblocks. Imran Khan is a prime minister. The well being of his countrymen should be his first priority.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Applaud PM <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ImranKhanPTI</a>’s unambiguous & important statement that militants from Pakistan who would carry out violence in Kashmir are enemies of both Kashmiris & Pakistan.We agree. Pakistan's sustained commitment to counter all terrorist groups is critical to reg. stability. AGW</p>— State_SCA (@State_SCA) <a href="https://twitter.com/State_SCA/status/1174761162929516546?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 19, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[GoUgandaCranes]

Non-State Actors need to be curbed completely.

There's no this and that etc. in this

 

[KingKhanWC]

No I think that would be a political suicide for Imran Khan. India is not Libya or Syria and the Indian army has a very strong presence in Kashmir. If Pakistan sends terrorists to India,

a) It’s unlikely to succeed as we have seen from the incidents in the past few weeks.

b) Many innocent people may get killed along with the terrorists.

c) India has the resources to prove the place of origin of these terrorists and Pakistan risks being in the FATF blacklist (this can have grave consequences)

d) And from a personal pov, it would be very embarrassing for Imran. I don’t think he would do something that makes him look like a clown.

Pakistan has a lot to lose in this. It’s definitely not a ‘we’ve got nothing to lose’ scenario, at least for the people of Pakistan. They have the right to lead a decent life too and at some point they’ll ask “what have you done for us?”. Pakistan is facing a major financial crisis and even the CPEC, which is supported by China is facing major roadblocks. Imran Khan is a prime minister. The well being of his countrymen should be his first priority.

Read my post again. I didn't say India is like Libya, Syria. I wrote US and others supported terrrorists in those nations openly and the world agreed with them. By this Pakistan has more right to support whatt are freedom fighters against occupiers. You cannnot be a terrorist if you are fighting occupiers, this is a dumb suggestion.

Pakistan has nothing to lose because India wont go to war with a nuclear strong armed forces Pakistan. India has trying to isolate Pakistan for years, nothing new here and of course people will die but thats Indias fault for oppressing the people in Kashmir. Im sure these plans are all ready in motion reagardless of what Imran says because national security is the job of the intelligence agencies and armed forces.

 

[Pete Rose]

Non-State Actors need to be curbed completely.

There's no this and that etc. in this

Some NSA’s need to be curbed.

 

[daytrader]

Amazing words, the World should pay heed. Right now he's the face of peace but when enough is enough and he delivers a call for Jihad, the Ummah will respond. Let's see what the UN does

 

[moghul]

he is such a coward, time to talk has been long over now its time for action otherwise stop shedding crocodile tears for Kashmiris. He is such a hypocrite.

And, what exactly you would do ?

 

[BaankeJi]

Just appealing won't help. Terrorists are still leaking through LOC.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Just appealing won't help. Terrorists are still leaking through LOC.

Freedom fighter will continue to enter until Kashmir is free. You carry on support terrorists in army clothing.

 

[The streak is Alive]

Freedom fighters! Lol. This is exactly the sort of rhetoric that Islamic invaders peddle to legitimize their greed and pillaging mentality. I'm glad India is in capable hands. Trust me if it were the Gandhis in power, Pakistan would have started proxy operations long back. As it stands, Imran so visibly fears Modi.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Freedom fighters! Lol. This is exactly the sort of rhetoric that Islamic invaders peddle to legitimize their greed and pillaging mentality. I'm glad India is in capable hands. Trust me if it were the Gandhis in power, Pakistan would have started proxy operations long back. As it stands, Imran so visibly fears Modi.

You should be thankful for the Islamic followers for briging some culture to your land.

Anyone figthing or helping victims of occupation are freedom figthers, regadless of what the RSS has been teaching you.

lol@ Imran fearing some camp guy like Modi.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Looks like he has been forced to say this.

 

[rhony]

Freedom fighter will continue to enter until Kashmir is free. You carry on support terrorists in army clothing.

I say give them jobs. I know most of them are illiterates with no skills but daily labor doesn't need education. Instead they are being sent to die for "freedom" of some body else from a different country. I heard the pay for this is not good either. How lame can one be to agree to this. I know they are desperate due to lack of skills but there's gotto be something else to do in their country.

 

[rhony]

Non-State Actors need to be curbed completely.

There's no this and that etc. in this

Can't curb. This is all they know due to lack of skills. Apparently the best way to get rid of them is to send them harm's way so they meet their fate swiftly.

 

[The streak is Alive]

You should be thankful for the Islamic followers for briging some culture to your land.

Anyone figthing or helping victims of occupation are freedom figthers, regadless of what the RSS has been teaching you.

lol@ Imran fearing some camp guy like Modi.

Don't tell me what to do. I'm capable of making up my own mind, thank you. Unlike you, I've actually studied the history of both religions from unbiased sources...perks of having studied at top notch colleges back in India and Ivy league Uni here in the US.

 

[Varun]

Amazing words, the World should pay heed. Right now he's the face of peace but when enough is enough and he delivers a call for Jihad, the Ummah will respond. Let's see what the UN does

Yeah cool story bro.

 

[daytrader]

Yeah cool story bro.

Yea...let's hope that it stays a story and doesn't become history

 

[kk1992]

Amazing words, the World should pay heed. Right now he's the face of peace but when enough is enough and he delivers a call for Jihad, the Ummah will respond. Let's see what the UN does

Doesn't exist, Pakistan and people of Kashmir are alone in this fight.

 

[kk1992]

I say give them jobs. I know most of them are illiterates with no skills but daily labor doesn't need education. Instead they are being sent to die for "freedom" of some body else from a different country. I heard the pay for this is not good either. How lame can one be to agree to this. I know they are desperate due to lack of skills but there's gotto be something else to do in their country.

Occupied land against the will of the people of that land.
over 800K troops.

 

[PakLFC]

Had Nawaz or Zardari showed the same attitude he would be the first to call them cowards and what not. I am afraid what IK calls pacifism is cowardice. I would ask him would he also tell the people not to cross the LoC if his own sisters were being abused? Hazoor(saw) were never a pacifist in such circumstances, in such circumstances our Prophet(saw) would have taken action a long time back. I have always said there is no such thing as the Ummat/h at governmental level. There is no reason why the UN will do anything when they haven't for 72 years.

 

[Pakistanian]

Had Nawaz or Zardari showed the same attitude he would be the first to call them cowards and what not. I am afraid what IK calls pacifism is cowardice. I would ask him would he also tell the people not to cross the LoC if his own sisters were being abused? Hazoor(saw) were never a pacifist in such circumstances, in such circumstances our Prophet(saw) would have taken action a long time back. I have always said there is no such thing as the Ummat/h at governmental level. There is no reason why the UN will do anything when they haven't for 72 years.

mask on, mask off.

 

[Mr.Q]

Read my post again. I didn't say India is like Libya, Syria. I wrote US and others supported terrrorists in those nations openly and the world agreed with them. By this Pakistan has more right to support whatt are freedom fighters against occupiers. You cannnot be a terrorist if you are fighting occupiers, this is a dumb suggestion.

Pakistan has nothing to lose because India wont go to war with a nuclear strong armed forces Pakistan. India has trying to isolate Pakistan for years, nothing new here and of course people will die but thats Indias fault for oppressing the people in Kashmir. Im sure these plans are all ready in motion reagardless of what Imran says because national security is the job of the intelligence agencies and armed forces.

US did support the opposing forces in those countries but they don’t call them terrorists. It’s a dangerous game and they shouldn’t forget how Osama bin Laden was born. But in some cases, it was absolutely necessary I feel. In Libya for example it was absolutely important to kick that guy out. He was a dictator and a horrible one at that. Even in Afghanistan their actions are very justifiable.

India on the other hand is promising Kashmiris a better life and the same status as any other Indian. The situation is very different. Many of these pellet gun stories that get posted here don’t address the other side of the story. Stone pelting and other attacks still continue. When it gets beyond a limit, the army uses force in the form of pellet guns, lathicharge etc.

I don’t agree with your view on nuclear weapons. It’s easy for a non-resident Pakistani or Indian to endorse nuclear war. But people who live in both countries won’t let it happen. Even if a war breaks out, chances of it turning nuclear are slim. And if it somehow happens, Pakistan will lose more as a nation. That is because it’s a much smaller country. Pakistan will be able to hit certain parts of India but in return entire Pakistan will be hit. We don’t really need to go there as it’s not going to happen, I’m just trying to explain why Pakistan has a lot to lose in this. People, irrespective of their nationality have a right to live and it’s very clear what Pakistan’s priority should be right now: its people and its economy. The arrangements you talk about is for proxy war which Pakistan has been engaged in for a long time. That is likely to continue. I was talking about an escalation from that level, which is unlikely.

My view on Kashmir is very clear. I welcome this move by the government. I hope it brings some positive changes in the lives of Kashmiris. I’m pretty sure it will, if they cooperate. India is not going to give Kashmir away. In that scenario this is the best solution instead of maintaining it as a battlefield. The ethical cleansing argument makes very little sense. It’s a fancy word that gets used a lot here. But I don’t understand how it can ever happen. Rich people buying land or building resorts there isn’t ethical cleansing. If we go buy that logic, no state in India should allow outsiders out of this fear of ethical cleansing. India represents not one culture, but a culmination of cultures.