Don't Need Your $500 Mn, Use it to Fight Terror Instead: Afghan President to Pakistan

[Tera Gawaandi]

Heart of Asia Conference, Amritsar : Afghan President Ashraf Ghani Rejects Pakistan's Offer of $500 Million Aid


“No amount of money can assist us if there is support to terrorists by Pakistan. Military operations in Pakistan have brought about selective displacement of terrorists... State-sponsored sanctuaries exist in Pakistan... Even the Taliban say they cannot survive even a month without support from Pakistan, India's support to Afghanistan to improve people's life is transparent with no strings attached” Ghani said at the Heart of Asia conference in Amritsar.

https://twitter.com/x/status/805296479170531328

Hitting back, Pakistan PM’s adviser Sartaj Aziz, who is representing Islamabad the summit, said it was “simplistic to blame just one country for the violence”. he said.

Source - http://www.news18.com/news/india/he...bs-pakistan-offer-of-500-million-1319122.html

 

[big_gamer007]

I don't understand why don't all of countries work together against terrorism.. A prosperous sub continent would be the best for all the countries.. What vested interests keep that from happening? Military power, lack of trust, corrupt leaders?

Anyways Ghani is right Pakistan should crackdown on all the terrorists and not just some terrorists.. similarly Afghanistan should crackdown on all the terrorists operating from their area..

 

[Waseem]

Its so easy to respond same childish way but Pakistan remains calm yet again.

Afghans will grow up eventually, good job by Pakistan.

 

[MSaad1237]

Why are we giving them 500 Million $ anyway??


what a waste of money ..

 

[Saeed]

Lol easy, keep the money and develop Pakistan. Gen. John W. Nicholson Jr recently said Iran and Russia help Taliban too but you will never see Ashraf Ghani talk about that. It's pretty obvious he is doing India's bidding. He is right about one thing though, Pakistan must target all terrorist groups.

 

[Runner Up]

He is in India what else you expect from him? Please India so can get more BOTI

 

[DW44]

Can't really blame him since he's absolutely right on this one. Whatever the history between the two countries, Ashraf Ghani bent over backwards to improve ties with Pakistan when he took over and even went so far as to snub India for that reason but there's a saying in urdu, "kuttay ki fun kabhi seedhi nahi hoti" and thats exactly what happened when our esteemed gernails decided that the Afghan Taliban were too valuable to give up even if it meant Afghanistan finally entering Pakistan's sphere of influence, not to mention the reciprocal action the Afghans would take against TTP but as always, the priorities of the gernails supercede national interest where the two are in conflict. For a nation that loves to blame everyone and everything under the sun for terrorism on its soil, Pakistanis are in complete denial over their own support for terrorists on foreign soil. A well deserved and long overdue slap to the face.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Can't really blame him since he's absolutely right on this one. Whatever the history between the two countries, Ashraf Ghani bent over backwards to improve ties with Pakistan when he took over and even went so far as to snub India for that reason but there's a saying in urdu, "kuttay ki fun kabhi seedhi nahi hoti" and thats exactly what happened when our esteemed gernails decided that the Afghan Taliban were too valuable to give up even if it meant Afghanistan finally entering Pakistan's sphere of influence, not to mention the reciprocal action the Afghans would take against TTP but as always, the priorities of the gernails supercede national interest where the two are in conflict. For a nation that loves to blame everyone and everything under the sun for terrorism on its soil, Pakistanis are in complete denial over their own support for terrorists on foreign soil. A well deserved and long overdue slap to the face.

Hogwash. We have done more; sacrificed more than than anyone.

Stop self hating.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Can't really blame him since he's absolutely right on this one. Whatever the history between the two countries, Ashraf Ghani bent over backwards to improve ties with Pakistan when he took over and even went so far as to snub India for that reason but there's a saying in urdu, "kuttay ki fun kabhi seedhi nahi hoti" and thats exactly what happened when our esteemed gernails decided that the Afghan Taliban were too valuable to give up even if it meant Afghanistan finally entering Pakistan's sphere of influence, not to mention the reciprocal action the Afghans would take against TTP but as always, the priorities of the gernails supercede national interest where the two are in conflict. For a nation that loves to blame everyone and everything under the sun for terrorism on its soil, Pakistanis are in complete denial over their own support for terrorists on foreign soil. A well deserved and long overdue slap to the face.

Pakistan's support of non state actors has ruined it beyond imagination.

Anyways, what purpose does Afghan Taliban serve for Pakistan now?

Non state actors for Kashmir I understand but what's the deal behind this?

 

[DW44]

Hogwash. We have done more; sacrificed more than than anyone.

Stop self hating.

The hell we have. All we have done is wax lyrical about how we have sacrificed so much and how we're some great victim of terrorism in the war of terror while selectively targeting a handful of terrorist organizations our army doesn't like while supporting the Afghan Taliban like they're our general's own sons. When there's a reason to self hate, I don't see the point of sticking one's head in the sand and pretending everything is fine and whatever issues we have are the result of a hindu-zionist-kfc conspiracy. By all means continue letting nationalism and hatred for Afghans keep you blind to the reality but don't expect those with a slightly more finely tuned moral compass to also ignore our own transgressions while blaming our misery on others.

 

[blackanhyellow]

In no way do I endorse this logic but here is the Pak army logic:

- The current Afghan government has a huge influence by the former Northern Alliance school of thought

- They are extremely pro-India, and anti-Pakistan due to historical reasons

- To the Pak Army, the current government acts as a mouth piece of Indian foreign policy.

- On top of that Pak army does not see the Kabul government as sustainable without American aid.

- Essentially, as long as the Americans/NATO is in Kabul, the government will stand. If NATO withdraws due to change in foreign policy in America then the inevitable will happen Kabul will rejoin the rest of Afghanistan in being a law less state.

Afghanistan is not a Japan or South Korea where Americans have sustained troop deployment and military bases. Due to the terrain and the guerilla style warfare by the Taliban, any attempt at sustained "occupation" will mean heavy losses. Are the Americans willing to occur heavy losses financially for an indefinite period?

When the Americans become tired of the area and they leave, Pakistan army hopes to have an anti-India, pro-Pakistan ally in the form of Afghan Taliban.

 

[endymion248]

Pakistan's support of non state actors has ruined it beyond imagination.

Anyways, what purpose does Afghan Taliban serve for Pakistan now?

Non state actors for Kashmir I understand but what's the deal behind this?

Haqqani network is the only thing standing between Pakistan and a ISIS-Taliban alliance. Afghanistan won't care much as they are too obsessed with Haqqani Network to see the danger of ISIS in Afghanistan. At least Haqqanis can be negotiated with but Ghani wouldn't get the free US money if these negociations were conclusive.

 

[desirous of desire]

good, Pakistan need to keep this money and focus towards providing better facilities in FATA.

 

[DW44]

Haqqani network is the only thing standing between Pakistan and a ISIS-Taliban alliance. Afghanistan won't care much as they are too obsessed with Haqqani Network to see the danger of ISIS in Afghanistan. At least Haqqanis can be negotiated with but Ghani wouldn't get the free US money if these negociations were conclusive.

ISIS-Taliban alliance is a nonstarter due to the sectarian differences between them and both groups have already clashed in Afghanistan over said differences. Taliban are staunchly Deobandi while ISIS is Wahabi. This will become a major bone of contention if the two ever have to coexist because both groups, at least on the foot soldier and middle management levels, are ideologically driven, the ideology in question being to impose their version of Islam on lands under their control and it will be a cold day in hell before a Deobandi and a Wahabi terrorist organization can get over their sectarian differences and find common ground given how rigid and averse to compromise both schools of thought are. ISIS already has some presence in Afghanistan and every time the two groups have come into contact there, there's been bloodshed on both sides.

 

[Syed1]

The awkward moment when the president of a terrorist-run country tells you to contain terrorism.


Somebody ask Mr. Ghani to take a stroll outside of Kabul and then he will know where terrorism is coming from.

We need to go all Trump on these Afghanis and build a wall on the border. The Afghans will surrender without a bullet being fired. They fail to realize that we are running their country. This India love affair won't get them anywhere.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Afghanistan will find it difficult to shake the reputation of being a haven for terrorism as long as the Bamiyan buddhas remain a wreck. it's an absolute disgrace that the Taliban outrage hasn't been rectified by successive Afghan govts despite on the surface cosying up to India. No wonder Indians are wary of granting them refugee status.

 

[DW44]

The awkward moment when the president of a terrorist-run country tells you to contain terrorism.


Somebody ask Mr. Ghani to take a stroll outside of Kabul and then he will know where terrorism is coming from.

We need to go all Trump on these Afghanis and build a wall on the border. The Afghans will surrender without a bullet being fired. They fail to realize that we are running their country. This India love affair won't get them anywhere.

The terrorists in question are the Afghan Taliban. Remind me again who funds, arms, trains and provides sanctuary to those terrorists? How is it unreasonable of him to ask that country not to do so?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

God bless the USA and the allies which proudly includes Her Majesty's forces. Long may they continue to pound that miserable country from land, sea and air. The fight goes on.

 

[Syed1]

The terrorists in question are the Afghan Taliban. Remind me again who funds, arms, trains and provides sanctuary to those terrorists? How is it unreasonable of him to ask that country not to do so?

Yes the Pakistan Army and ISI will "fund, arm, train and provide sanctuary" to the very people who the US and NATO forces are fighting and they will just let it happen. Or are you suggesting that YOU of all people know of these connections but the sole superpower in the world is completely unaware of it and is letting her young men and women die without any accountability. Close to two decades in Afghanistan and the US hasn't been able to find a connection between Afghan Taliban and Pak Army and here we have know-it-all PP experts presenting their conspiracy theories as established facts.

Ignorance is truly bliss for some folks.

 

[DW44]

Yes the Pakistan Army and ISI will "fund, arm, train and provide sanctuary" to the very people who the US and NATO forces are fighting and they will just let it happen. Or are you suggesting that YOU of all people know of these connections but the sole superpower in the world is completely unaware of it and is letting her young men and women die without any accountability. Close to two decades in Afghanistan and the US hasn't been able to find a connection between Afghan Taliban and Pak Army and here we have know-it-all PP experts presenting their conspiracy theories as established facts.

Ignorance is truly bliss for some folks.

Yeah, just one small problem with that poorly informed diatriabe. The US and it's allies have been publicly complaining about Pakistan supporting the Afghan Taliban for god knows how long now. That they haven't invaded Pakistan proves absolutely nothing beyond the fact that they don't have the willpower to invade a nuclear armed country with the 6th largest and one of the most overfunded militaries, to go with the fact that they're no longer interested in fighting there as evident by them reducing troop levels to about 8400(or 9500, one of the two anyway) despite Afghan Taliban being stronger now than they've been since the 90s.

PS. Since you just had to sneak in that personal comment at the end, I'm still waiting for those examples of you, and I quote, "exposing my lies" and all that jazz. Any chance we'll see those this century?

 

[Zak_Fan]

I think both Pakistan and Afganistan need to do a lot in order to shed this "terror sanctuary" reputation. It is for their own good.

 

[endymion248]

ISIS-Taliban alliance is a nonstarter due to the sectarian differences between them and both groups have already clashed in Afghanistan over said differences. Taliban are staunchly Deobandi while ISIS is Wahabi. This will become a major bone of contention if the two ever have to coexist because both groups, at least on the foot soldier and middle management levels, are ideologically driven, the ideology in question being to impose their version of Islam on lands under their control and it will be a cold day in hell before a Deobandi and a Wahabi terrorist organization can get over their sectarian differences and find common ground given how rigid and averse to compromise both schools of thought are. ISIS already has some presence in Afghanistan and every time the two groups have come into contact there, there's been bloodshed on both sides.

1- Taliban were already allied with Al-Qaeda who are from the same sect as ISIS.

2- There is a faction within Taliban who wants to ally with ISIS. Their main enemy is the Haqanis who are staunchly opposed to ISIS.

3- Deobandis and Wahabbis are the same cat with a different coat.

 

[DW44]

1- Taliban were already allied with Al-Qaeda who are from the same sect as ISIS.

2- There is a faction within Taliban who wants to ally with ISIS. Their main enemy is the Haqanis who are staunchly opposed to ISIS.

3- Deobandis and Wahabbis are the same cat with a different coat.

1- That's because Al Qaeda wasn't a Wahabi supremacist organization like ISIS who consider non Wahabi Muslims apostates and AQ was always open to working with non-Wahabi Sunni extremists. There's also the fact that they were not trying to muscle in on Taliban territory, not to mention the shared history and extensive links between them going back to the Afghan war of the 70s where both worked side by side as part of the "mujahideen".

2- Yes there is but a relatively minor one, similar to how Malik Ishaq's faction in LeJ was pro ISIS despite LeJ as a whole not being a big fan of theirs.

3 - Only in Pakistan, mainly because Deobandi clergy here and the madrassas they run where future generations are indoctrinated have been financed by the a Wahabi entity, the Saudi government, for the better part of the last four decades and a fair bit of Saudi ideology has crept into Deobandism in Pakistan.

 

[DW44]

http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/201...id-taliban-receive-from-pakistan-russia-iran/

Just logged in to Facebook and, ironically enough, this was the first story on my newsfeed. So much for US being cool with Pakistan because we totally don't support the Afghan Taliban. Nope, it's not at all about the US expressing concern for Pakistan(among others) supporting the Taliban, no sir, because Pakistan never does such things.

 

[PakLFC]

He should take a look at his own terror infested country instead of pointing the finger at us. We did Zarb-e-Azb that has greatly improved our security instead of crying like babies which is what they are doing. All those terrorists came from Afghanistan. Now if Pak supported terrorists are in Afghanistan then they should do the same. Not our fault that they have a third rate military. As for taking back they are welcome to their remaining refugee's in Pakistan or do we have to throw them all out like we did that lady who was on the cover of the magazine many years back?

 

[Thivagar]

I don't understand why don't all of countries work together against terrorism.. A prosperous sub continent would be the best for all the countries.. What vested interests keep that from happening? Military power, lack of trust, corrupt leaders?

Anyways Ghani is right Pakistan should crackdown on all the terrorists and not just some terrorists.. similarly Afghanistan should crackdown on all the terrorists operating from their area..

1. Not every country wants to create enemies and cause chaos at home.
2. Some countries don't care if the "Terrorists" don't bother their country.

 

[adit_sh]

Hogwash. I think Pakistan can easily dictate terms to Afg/Iran due to their relations in the past and that is how it probably should be.