'Irrefutable evidence': Dossier on India's sponsorship of state terrorism in Pakistan presented

[hoshiarpurexpress]

I think you need to check upon what a responsible nation is doing to its citizens in Kashmir and their human rights abuses.

I can understand the need to defend India in every other post but please have some shame.

There is nothing shameful about defending the land you are born in.
If the citizens act against national security and integrity, they fall under criminal act and nation has to defend itself.
We also know what is happening in Balochistan, and what happened in Bangladesh to people who were Pakistan citizens at that moment of time, so may be some shame should be felt there as well.

 

[Technics 1210]

Indians and most of the world just don't get it. The biggest threat to USA is China. USA doesn't trust India so next best option is proxy via Pakistan.

Pakistan has more political clout than India. This is a fact which Indians cannot stomach. India is cursed by geography, hence their shenanigans in Afghanistan.

 

[Waseem]

I think Modi really considers his own janta dumb; few days after Pakistan shares strong evidence of Indian terrorism in Pakistan, Modi and his cronies come up with yet another stupid false flag attack to counter Pakistan and going by social media Indians are absolutely convinced that 4 heavily armed so called terrorists managed to beat all the security in most militarised region on earth

And Pakistan would do this in less than a week after exposing Indian terrorism How convenient??

 

[MenInG]

There is nothing shameful about defending the land you are born in.
If the citizens act against national security and integrity, they fall under criminal act and nation has to defend itself.
We also know what is happening in Balochistan, and what happened in Bangladesh to people who were Pakistan citizens at that moment of time, so may be some shame should be felt there as well.

There is a lot to be ashamed about when you support the deaths of civilians in your own country.

 

[cricketjoshila]

There is a lot to be ashamed about when you support the deaths of civilians in your own country.

When you raise arms and start killing fellow civilians because they are not of your religion. When you start a secessionist terrorist movement and wage war against the nation then you are no more an innocent civilian.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

When you raise arms and start killing fellow civilians because they are not of your religion. When you start a secessionist terrorist movement and wage war against the nation then you are no more an innocent civilian.

Can you just clarify, are you talking about India or Pakistan?

 

[rhony]

Indians and most of the world just don't get it. The biggest threat to USA is China. USA doesn't trust India so next best option is proxy via Pakistan.

Pakistan has more political clout than India. This is a fact which Indians cannot stomach. India is cursed by geography, hence their shenanigans in Afghanistan.

Pakistan has no clout. Don't flatter yourself. Nobody cares about Afghanistan as much as you think. Pak has no standing in Syria or other troubled areas of Islamic world. ndia doesn't much either but has a better standing because of its sheer size. USA is a sinking super power. It is still a great power but won't be a super power in a couple of decades.
China for all it's bravado is dependent on others for survival and growth. They are and will be a major power. There just won't be a any super power. Europe , SK, Japan, India will be on equal terms with Russia and Brazil. The rest will just be accessory players.

To have a convincing clout, you need to have some economic standing. I'm not saying Pak won't but things have to change rapidly for that to happen

 

[Kriketer]

There is nothing shameful about defending the land you are born in.
If the citizens act against national security and integrity, they fall under criminal act and nation has to defend itself.
We also know what is happening in Balochistan, and what happened in Bangladesh to people who were Pakistan citizens at that moment of time, so may be some shame should be felt there as well.

Do you know of a country where one person allowed massacre of 3,000 of his civilians based on religion and then that country made him it's PM? Where they openly torture and mistreat minorities?

And the typical lame play of Balochistan card, don't worry it's not IOK. Balochistan is free of occupation and got no army surveillance on civilians like you have in IOK of half a million forced monitoring and hold for 70 years.

 

[rhony]

Do you know of a country where one person allowed massacre of 3,000 of his civilians based on religion and then that country made him it's PM? Where they openly torture and mistreat minorities?

And the typical lame play of Balochistan card, don't worry it's not IOK. Balochistan is free of occupation and got no army surveillance on civilians like you have in IOK of half a million forced monitoring and hold for 70 years.

Imagine this. 30 Hindus in Pakistan burn a train with 50 maulvis and other religious extremists. Now tell me what will happen to Hindus in Pakistan if that happened.

The Gujarat incident is no joke. India could have burned with millions of muslims massacred. The powers to be have decided to contain the incident and make it a localized event so the blood thirsty crowds get a sense of closure. It's a combination of this and also the flawed strategy to contain the situation in a few hours. They couldn't contain it. There were no half a.million soldiers in kashmir until the jihadis in afghanistan decided to transfer to another job in kashmir. There's a practical reason for every event. It gives me chills that a million muslims and several hundreds of thousands of Hindus would have burned after the godhra incident. A major catostrophe has been avoided. Case in point, the rohingya issue after a few idiots killed the Burmese police. It's out of control.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Imagine this. 30 Hindus in Pakistan burn a train with 50 maulvis and other religious extremists. Now tell me what will happen to Hindus in Pakistan if that happened.

The Gujarat incident is no joke. India could have burned with millions of muslims massacred. The powers to be have decided to contain the incident and make it a localized event so the blood thirsty crowds get a sense of closure. It's a combination of this and also the flawed strategy to contain the situation in a few hours. They couldn't contain it. There were no half a.million soldiers in kashmir until the jihadis in afghanistan decided to transfer to another job in kashmir. There's a practical reason for every event. It gives me chills that a million muslims and several hundreds of thousands of Hindus would have burned after the godhra incident. A major catostrophe has been avoided. Case in point, the rohingya issue after a few idiots killed the Burmese police. It's out of control.

Religious extremists? 20 plus woman and 10 children and a total of 59 people died in that fire. What religious extremist?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Do you know of a country where one person allowed massacre of 3,000 of his civilians based on religion and then that country made him it's PM? Where they openly torture and mistreat minorities?

And the typical lame play of Balochistan card, don't worry it's not IOK. Balochistan is free of occupation and got no army surveillance on civilians like you have in IOK of half a million forced monitoring and hold for 70 years.

Do you know that what you posted is not true?

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Do you know of a country where one person allowed massacre of 3,000 of his civilians based on religion and then that country made him it's PM? Where they openly torture and mistreat minorities?

And the typical lame play of Balochistan card, don't worry it's not IOK. Balochistan is free of occupation and got no army surveillance on civilians like you have in IOK of half a million forced monitoring and hold for 70 years.

Do you know of a country which pillaged millions of citizens just because they spoke a different language, had a different skin color and a person won a legitimate election which was not honoured..
lol at Balochistan having no surveillance...

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Pakistan has no clout. Don't flatter yourself. Nobody cares about Afghanistan as much as you think. Pak has no standing in Syria or other troubled areas of Islamic world. ndia doesn't much either but has a better standing because of its sheer size. USA is a sinking super power. It is still a great power but won't be a super power in a couple of decades.
China for all it's bravado is dependent on others for survival and growth. They are and will be a major power. There just won't be a any super power. Europe , SK, Japan, India will be on equal terms with Russia and Brazil. The rest will just be accessory players.

To have a convincing clout, you need to have some economic standing. I'm not saying Pak won't but things have to change rapidly for that to happen

India has no clout either, otherwise they wouldn't waste their time bleating about Pakistan 24/7. They would be discussing bigger picture issues with other members of the security council.

 

[rhony]

Religious extremists? 20 plus woman and 10 children and a total of 59 people died in that fire. What religious extremist?

As per the news, they are karsevaks

 

[rhony]

India has no clout either, otherwise they wouldn't waste their time bleating about Pakistan 24/7. They would be discussing bigger picture issues with other members of the security council.

Based on your logic, US doesn't have clout either as they waste their time with Afghanistan and North Korea. Doesn't work that way, the clout is based on economy, democracy etc.

 

[cricketjoshila]

As per the news, they are karsevaks

Which news?

And how does Kar sevaks translate into extremists?

 

[rhony]

Which news?

And how does Kar sevaks translate into extremists?

Straight from wiki:


In February 2002, thousands of devotees of Lord Rama (known as "Ramsevaks" or "Kar Sevaks") had gone from Gujarat to Ayodhya at the behest of the Vishva Hindu Parishad to take part in a ceremony called the Purnahuti Maha Yagna. On 25 February, 1,700 people, a mix of pilgrims and karsevaks boarded the Sabarmati Express which was bound for Ahmedabad

 

[cricketjoshila]

Straight from wiki:


In February 2002, thousands of devotees of Lord Rama (known as "Ramsevaks" or "Kar Sevaks") had gone from Gujarat to Ayodhya at the behest of the Vishva Hindu Parishad to take part in a ceremony called the Purnahuti Maha Yagna. On 25 February, 1,700 people, a mix of pilgrims and karsevaks boarded the Sabarmati Express which was bound for Ahmedabad

So apart from karsevaks( whom you call extremist for some reason) there were pilgrims in that train. This according to your own source that you posted.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Based on your logic, US doesn't have clout either as they waste their time with Afghanistan and North Korea. Doesn't work that way, the clout is based on economy, democracy etc.

That's not my logic as US obviously are involved in much bigger projects worldwide. If they were like India they would spend all their time obsessing over and bickering with Canada.

 

[rhony]

That's not my logic as US obviously are involved in much bigger projects worldwide. If they were like India they would spend all their time obsessing over and bickering with Canada.

I guess you haven't heard about the Mexican wall and the immigration issues down south.

 

[rhony]

So apart from karsevaks( whom you call extremist for some reason) there were pilgrims in that train. This according to your own source that you posted.

The people who destroyed the mosque and then patronized it for years by commemorating the demolition are radicals in my opinion.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The people who destroyed the mosque and then patronized it for years by commemorating the demolition are radicals in my opinion.

How do you know that the same people who destroyed a mosque in 1992 were travelling in a train in 2002?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I guess you haven't heard about the Mexican wall and the immigration issues down south.

That's what happens when you vote in a President who decides appealing to the bigots is the best way to win cheap votes. Looks like there is a similarity with India after all.

 

[MenInG]

Pakistan has handed over a dossier on India’s terror campaign to United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres, urging him to prevail on New Delhi to desist from its illegal and aggressive activities.

The secretary general promised to “study the dossier and take appropriate action”, said Pakistan’s envoy to the UN Munir Akram, who presented the dossier to the UN chief on Tuesday afternoon. Pakistan reserved the right to “act in self-defence” against India’s unending aggressions, Akram warned.

Pakistan also plans to draw the attention of relevant UN bodies, including the Security Council, to India’s sponsorship of terrorism.

Later, at a news briefing at the Pakistan Mission, Ambassador Akram explained how India’s irresponsible behavior could jeopardise the entire region.

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“There is a complacency because there has been a deterrence between India and Pakistan since the 1988 nuclear tests,” said the Pakistani envoy when asked why major world powers were underplaying the consequences of a simmering conflict in a nuclearised region.

“But the situation may not remain as stable as people assume because of India’s involvement in terrorist activities against Pakistan,” he warned. “That’s why Pakistan wants the international community not to ignore the threat of a potential conflict between two nuclear-armed states.”

In his meeting with Guterres, Ambassador Akram explained to the UN chief how India was violating international law, the UN Charter and UNSC resolutions by stoking terrorism inside Pakistan.

“We have urged the secretary general to play his role in persuading India to halt its terror and subversive campaign against Pakistan,” he said.

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Akram said as the UN High Commissioner for Refugees, the secretary general had witnessed Pakistan’s operations against terrorist outfits and appreciated the sacrifices Pakistan had made in successfully defeating terrorism.

Since 2014, Pakistan has lost 83,000 civilians and soldiers in the fight against terrorism, which also caused a massive setback to the country’s economic and social development — to the tune of $126 billion.

While Pakistan has successfully eradicated terrorist outfits from its soil, over the past few months cross-border terrorist attacks from ungoverned spaces in Afghanistan have escalated.

“We knew of India’s hand in such attacks,” Ambassador Akram said. “We now have gathered irrefutable evidence that India is engaged in a systematic campaign to destabilise Pakistan through terrorist attacks, promotion of secession and subversion in what is called Hybrid/5th generation war.”

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Quoting from the dossier, the ambassador explained that the Indian campaign against Pakistan includes:

Promotion/ sponsorship of listed terrorist organisations — Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and Jamaat-ul-Ahrar (JuA), which were uprooted from Pakistan, to conduct cross-border attacksSponsorship of Baloch insurgents inter alia to disrupt the China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC)Merging TTP splinter groups and creating a coalition between the TTP and the Baloch secessionistsProviding weapons, ammunition and IEDs to these groupsRaising a special force of 700 to sabotage CPEC; training anti-Pakistan terrorists in camps in Afghanistan and India — 66 such training camps have been identified in Afghanistan and 21 in IndiaTasking terrorists with conducting targeted killings of important Pakistani personalitiesOrganising of a new militia, based in Nangarhar (Afghanistan), called “Daesh-Pakistan” by India’s spy agency (RAW)Setting up a dedicated cell to subvert CPEC projects with Rs500 million to subvert Pakistan’s progress and economic strength

Ambassador Akram said the dossier also contains evidence of Indian subversive actions in Azad Jammu and Kashmir, Gilgit Baltistan and in Karachi.

India, he said, was also seeking to utilise UNSC mechanisms to defame Pakistan by portraying itself as a victim of terrorism. “It is abusing the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) to damage Pakistan’s economy.”

India’s hybrid war was accompanied by threats of aggression against Pakistan, and daily violations of the ceasefire along the Line of Controls (LoC) in disputed Jammu and Kashmir, he added,

“India’s terrorist and subversion campaigns are being directed from the highest levels of the Indian leadership,” he told journalists.

“Pakistan has called on the secretary general and the international community to take note of Indian terrorism and subversion against Pakistan and to prevail on India to desist from these illegal and aggressive activities,” he said.

Qureshi writes to UNSC on IOK situation

Meanwhile, Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi has written another letter to the UNSC president and the secretary general to update them on the "grave situation" in Indian Illegally Occupied Jammu and Kashmir (IIOJ&K).

According to a statement from the Foreign Office, the letter highlights the "gross and systematic violations of human rights taking place in IIOJK along with the threat posed to peace and security by India". The letter also informs the leaders of the "illegal demographic changes" that India is bringing in the occupied valley in violation of UNSC resolutions, the UN Charter and international law including the 4th Geneva Convention.

Qureshi also apprised the Security Council of India's "implementation of an elaborate strategy of military occupation, land confiscation, influx of non-Kashmiris, and creation of alien settlements" in occupied Kashmir.

"As a result of the Indian agenda to convert the Muslim majority of IIOJK into a minority, the indigenous Kashmiris are losing their political and cultural identity, their rightful demographic majority, and ownership of their properties in their own homeland," the letter pointed out.

It also brought to the attention of the UNSC India's ceasefire violations along the Line of Control (LoC) and the Working Boundary. "The over 2,700 ceasefire violations committed by India this year have resulted in the death of 25 innocent people and serious injuries to more than 200 civilians."

The foreign minister called on the UNSC to "exercise its direct responsibility to prevent India from perpetrating its criminal colonial project to change the demographic structure" of occupied Kashmir and to ensure the implementation of the body's resolutions regarding the disputed territory.

"The letter by the foreign minister is part of Pakistan’s consistent efforts to keep the UNSC and the secretary general regularly informed of the serious situation in IIOJK, and to demand resolution of the Jammu and Kashmir dispute in accordance with UNSC resolutions," the FO said in its statement.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

So has Guterres responded yet?

What a waste of paper by both sides.

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Pakistan gave U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres a dossier on Tuesday accusing India of stoking terrorism in Pakistan, a day after India provided a dossier to some U.N. Security Council members accusing militants from Pakistan of attempting an attack in the disputed Indian territory Kashmir.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-i...r-india-submits-one-on-pakistan-idUKKBN2843EC

 

[Hornbill]

So has Guterres responded yet?

What a waste of paper by both sides.



https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-i...r-india-submits-one-on-pakistan-idUKKBN2843EC

They informed the world now as usual other countries and organisations will take the necessary action, nobody even cares about the loss of civilian lives on both sides of loc during cease fire violations