Dream 11 as IPL 2020 title sponsor, Unacademy as official partner for 3 years [Update Post#250]

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

The Indian Premier League (IPL 2020) season this year seems to be jinxed. The IPL 2020 which is currently ‘indefinitely suspended’ is already struggling to put the season together because of the Covid19 crisis. Now the mandarins in the Board of Cricket Control of India (BCCI) has another issue at their hands. As the India-China border skirmishes are growing by the day, calls to ‘ban and boycott Chinese products’ is also growing louder. Under such environment, IPL’S deal with VIVO as title sponsor is also under the lens. One of the BCCI official has informed InsideSport that the board is getting concerned about these growing voices against the Chinese products.

“Yes we are concerned, we are also planning to discuss this soon. We will go as per the government’s directive. If government passes any directive against the Chinese companies, we will abide by the same”, said the BCCI source on the condition of anonymity.

IPL’s title sponsorship deal with VIVO worth 440 crore per year

BCCI has 2,199 crore, 5 year deal with Chinese handset maker VIVO for the title sponsorship of IPL. The deal is in its 3rd year and VIVO pays 440 Cr per season. Now the association with the Chinese brand is being questioned from various quarters. Ladakh-based engineer Sonam Wangchuk, who was the inspiration behind Aamir Khan’s character in the 2009 film 3 Idiots was the first to call for the boycott of Chinese products. He had started the slogans: ‘Boycott China’, ‘Boycott Made in China’, ‘Anywhere but China’ which is now finding an echo all across the country including some of the top cricket starts joining the chorus.

Chennai Super Kings spinner Harbhajan Singh also has called for ban on the Chinese products, ‘Ban all Chinese products’ – Harbhajan Singh reacts as 20 soldiers attain martyrdom in face-off with China’, said Bhajji.

Already Indian Railways has terminated contracts with a Chinese engineering major and the Department of Telecommunications (DoT) has conveyed to state-owned Bharat Sanchar Nigam Ltd (BSNL) not to use Chinese-made equipment in its up-gradation, top sources in both sectors said on Thursday.

BCCI has other Chinese connect too

It is not the only Chinese connect BCCI has on board. Some of the other board sponsors like PayTM (Title Sponsor of Indian Cricket), DreamXI (Associate Sponsor) has Chinese investors on board.

Other than this Indian team captain Virat Kohli also has a Chinese connect. Kohli is the brand ambassador of Chinese smartphone company iQOO.

Harish Bijoor, brand strategy specialist and founder, Harish Bijoor Consults Inc. said that BCCI and stars will get under pressure from their followers who would wish them to stop endorsing Chinese brands.

“We live in the era of social media and therefore a hashtag boycott of a celebrity because he or she endorses a Chinese brand is a possibility. If consumers start getting upset to see their Bollywood stars plugging a China made brand then the equity of the star will also be lost,” he noted.

https://www.insidesport.co/ipl-2020...-louder-bcci-under-pressure-on-vivo-ipl-deal/

 

[Rana]

Good chance for an Australian company to become the main sponsor for the flagship event in India

 

[Hasan123]

The sponsorship shouldn't be a long term issue but dont see how IPL can happen this year due to India covid19 cases.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

This will surely test the loyalty of BCCI and over enthusiastic IPL fans towards India. In the past also BCCI has proven that they think about India first and then their pockets. Boycotting Pakistan in bilaterals is a prime example of that.

Will BCCI take a hit on their bank accounts this time because lots of chinese companies are sponsoring them? I am sure and hopeful just like they didn't let Pakistan make profits by not playing against them, they also won't let these Chinese companies make profit through Indian Cricket and IPL.

#BoycottChina
#BoycottVivoIPL

 

[Slim]

The rich chinese are sponsoring literally every other TV show in India including Arnab Goswami. Let's see if they drop them.

 

[Slim]

Good chance for an Australian company to become the main sponsor for the flagship event in India

Which Australian company is capable enough to compete against Chinese?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Good chance for an Australian company to become the main sponsor for the flagship event in India

Why Australian company? Time to be vocal for local. I am sure there are Made in India brands that can sponsor Indian cricket.

 

[Kroll]

Depends on how the latest situation pans out. India is desperately trying to defuse tensions with China so if they end up saying all is well and they're great mates again, the pressure will also subside.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Depends on how the latest situation pans out. India is desperately trying to defuse tensions with China so if they end up saying all is well and they're great mates again, the pressure will also subside.

What about those soldiers who died and their families? And we are only trying to defuse tensions because it is China. We can't afford a war against them.

 

[MenInG]

We are already discussing this topic in Time Pass - so please keep this connected with cricket.

 

[Rana]

Which Australian company is capable enough to compete against Chinese?

Possibly a start up company by David Warner.

Big chance for him.

 

[Slim]

Possibly a start up company by David Warner.

Big chance for him.

David Warner would love to become the national mascot of India - hes already there with high level of cringy-ness but that doesnt mean he can compete against the chinese giants.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Taking note of the border skirmish that resulted in the martyrdom of our brave jawans, the IPL Governing Council has convened a meeting next week to review IPL’s various sponsorship deals &#55356;&#56814;&#55356;&#56819;</p>— IndianPremierLeague (@IPL) <a href="https://twitter.com/IPL/status/1274027565926060034?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Rajdeep]

This will surely test the loyalty of BCCI and over enthusiastic IPL fans towards India. In the past also BCCI has proven that they think about India first and then their pockets. Boycotting Pakistan in bilaterals is a prime example of that.

Will BCCI take a hit on their bank accounts this time because lots of chinese companies are sponsoring them? I am sure and hopeful just like they didn't let Pakistan make profits by not playing against them, they also won't let these Chinese companies make profit through Indian Cricket and IPL.

#BoycottChina
#BoycottVivoIPL

This post is incorrect in so many ways. First of all boycotting Pakistan didnt hit BCCIs pockets....it was PCB that suffered loses. Second, how is Vivo sponsoring IPL will help them to make profit? Isnt it other way round where a chinese company is pumping money in Indian market and sponsoring IPL?

Sure you can say BCCI should take moral high ground and stop taking money from a Chinese company to organize IPL which I agree with as well. But I am not sure how chinese companies are making profit via IPL?

You are drawing incorrect analogy as always.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

This post is incorrect in so many ways. First of all boycotting Pakistan didnt hit BCCIs pockets....it was PCB that suffered loses. Second, how is Vivo sponsoring IPL will help them to make profit? Isnt it other way round where a chinese company is pumping money in Indian market and sponsoring IPL?

Sure you can say BCCI should take moral high ground and stop taking money from a Chinese company to organize IPL which I agree with as well. But I am not sure how chinese companies are making profit via IPL?

You are drawing incorrect analogy as always.

FC bhaijaan, do you have any idea about Brand Marketing and Awareness lol? Have you ever heard this phrase 'jo dikhta hai woh bikta hai'? In marketing terms it's called 'impressions'. Displaying its ads on Google, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Blogs they are going to earn money indirectly too.

Apart from that how will you justify banning sale of Vivo mobiles in India but using them as IPL's sponsor? You guys also fail to justify boycotting Pakistan in bilaterals but playing against them in World Cups lol. Hypocrisy at it's best.

 

[SensiblePakFan]

Why Australian company? Time to be vocal for local. I am sure there are Made in India brands that can sponsor Indian cricket.

Indian money flowing into indian hands doesnt benefit india.
Chinese money flowing it does. It is new cash., not circulated.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Indian money flowing into indian hands doesnt benefit india.
Chinese money flowing it does. It is new cash., not circulated.

But it’s not one way, they also take much more money back to China. So, there is significant trade deficit.

 

[angrypathan]

Good chance for an Australian company to become the main sponsor for the flagship event in India

The IPL has almost no viewership in Australia.

 

[therealAB]

Which Australian company is capable enough to compete against Chinese?

Rio/BHP potentially, but unlikely for me. Will most likely just be an Indian company

 

[therealAB]

The IPL has almost no viewership in Australia.

More than in China though

 

[U$ofA]

I am sure that the title sponsorship will be snapped up in a minute if IPL decides to part ways with Vivo.

In fact I would say that many corporations are already lining up their bids, just in case. I would guess one of the current smaller scale sponsor will trade up. IPL has a huge audience that corporations salivate to sell to. Also, the IPL is smart enough to get them to start a bidding war. So may end up making more money than what they got through Vivo.

 

[Rana]

I am sure that the title sponsorship will be snapped up in a minute if IPL decides to part ways with Vivo.

In fact I would say that many corporations are already lining up their bids, just in case. I would guess one of the current smaller scale sponsor will trade up. IPL has a huge audience that corporations salivate to sell to. Also, the IPL is smart enough to get them to start a bidding war. So may end up making more money than what they got through Vivo.

Who cares? The country’s defence has been compromised, and the changing of the title sponsor is just going to remind people of the defeat of the Indian Army to China.

 

[angrypathan]

More than in China though

The Chinese have dozens of electronic companies with a large market in India, Australia does not. An Australian company would have nothing to gain by advertising in India.

 

[Last Monetarist]

Can't believe so many took that post about Australian companies seriously, it was a clear dig at the perception that CA is bending over backwards for the BCCI to accommodate the IPL.

 

[MenInG]

As a direct fallout of the violence in Ladakh’s Galwan valley that claimed the lives of 20 Indian soldiers, the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has decided to review its IPL sponsorship deals originating from China.

The BCCI has convened an IPL governing council meet next week where its mega title rights deal with Vivo, worth - 440 crore per year will be reviewed.

“Taking note of the border skirmish that resulted in the martyrdom of our brave jawans, the IPL Governing Council has convened a meeting next week to review IPL’s various sponsorship deals,” the official IPL handle tweeted late on Friday night. It was also retweeted by BCCI’s verified handle.

Sources in the board have also confirmed when the IPL’s governing body gets together, other IPL central sponsors like Paytm as well as Dream XI, where Chinese companies have minority stakes, will also come under review.

Paytm are also title rights holders for international cricket in India – a five-year deal worth ~326 crore.

“It’s true that there has been additional funding in some of the IPL central sponsors, as part of their expansion plans, that comes from China. So, all of this will come up for discussion in the meet,” a BCCI source said.

This is a departure from a position taken by the board on Thursday when treasurer Arun Dhumal had defended the Vivo sponsorship deal, arguing that the money was only helping the Indian cause.

“As far as anti-China sentiment is concerned, I am all for ban on Chinese products. For me personally, and BCCI as an organisation, the country comes first. But we have to differentiate between awarding contracts to a Chinese company and securing sponsorships. The money is coming into India. Till the time a Chinese company is allowed to sell their product and make money from the Indian consumer, why should that money (sponsorship) be allowed to go out of India, is my limited point,” Dhumal had said.

Dhumal however did add, that the board would be happy to roll back sponsorship coming from China, if the government asked them to. It could not be independently confirmed, if the IPL meeting comes after any directive from the government.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...luding-vivo/story-1MatlEyf7Yn1h5J0cJN3dK.html

 

[anonymous_guy]

Why Australian company? Time to be vocal for local. I am sure there are Made in India brands that can sponsor Indian cricket.

TATA STEEL can if they want to, they already own a team in the Indian Super League.

 

[Rana]

How much more business would MRF Tyres or TATA steel expect if they get the gig?

 

[NishanKonar]

How much more business would MRF Tyres or TATA steel expect if they get the gig?

Well Indian team is now sponsored by Byju's , all international cricket in India is sponsored by Star. So there are plenty of big players who can replace the Chinese brands

IPL itself was earlier sponsored by DLF & Pepsi

Cricket sponsorship rights are big in India & lots of companies will be itching to replace Vivo . Plus there is expectation for record TV viewership for IPL if it happens this year as most people are stuck at home

 

[Realromeo]

The IPL has almost no viewership in Australia.

What ? this is news to me. Can some Aussie residents confirm ?

 

[MenInG]

For context:

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Vivo, the Chinese mobile company, has retained the title sponsorship of the Indian Premier League from 2018 till 2022. In a tweet by the official handle of the IPL, Vivo had retained the title sponsorship after bidding 2,199 crore.

Vivo had replaced PepsiCo as the title sponsor of the high-profile tournament in 2015. The move had come after PepsiCo decided to suddenly pullout from a five-year deal that was to end in 2017.

In 2015, Vivo had bid Rs 200 crore for the title sponsorship. In this period, Vivo bid Rs 2,199 crore for the title sponsorship, a whopping increase of 554 percent from their previous bid.

Speaking on the announcement, IPL chairman Rajeev Shukla commented, “We are delighted to have Vivo joining us once again as the title sponsor for IPL for next five years. The association with Vivo has been great for the past two seasons and I am sure they will continue to make it bigger and better.”

The 2018 IPL will mark the 11th edition of the tournament and there is no clarity on whether all players will go into the auction pool. There is also lack of clarity regarding the status of Gujarat Lions and Rising Pune Supergiant as Chennai Super Kings and Rajasthan Royals will be making a comeback after been banned for two seasons due to the spot-fixing scandal in 2013.

Vivo is making a big push into Indian sports. Apart from the Indian Premier League, the mobile company has also acquired the rights of becoming the title sponsors of the Pro-Kabaddi League for a period of five years. The deal was announced in May 2017 and it is valued at Rs 300 crore.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...8-till-2022/story-b5u2elebZTjR8EWb4NkEuN.html

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Charity begins at home. The Indians who are calling for Vivo to be removed as sponsor should set an example by throwing away their Chinese phones.

 

[Rana]

If they persist with VIVO and other Chinese sponsors, then there is no reason to boycott Pakistani cricketers really

 

[Savak]

Let's see if the Indians intend to do this or these are empty threats. The Indians have the right to do this but can they without being negatively impacted is another matter

 

[CanadianG00se]

If they persist with VIVO and other Chinese sponsors, then there is no reason to boycott Pakistani cricketers really

Where does Pakistani cricketers come into this?

 

[Rana]

Where does Pakistani cricketers come into this?

Why would you persist with Chinese sponsors , the nation which kill your soldiers mercilessly and take your land...but can’t have Pakistani cricketers?

 

[Mamoon]

IPL’s stature is equivalent to World T20, the pinnacle of T20 cricket at the international level.

There will be no shortage of companies lining up to replace Vivo. In fact, they could secure a bigger deal.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Why would you persist with Chinese sponsors , the nation which kill your soldiers mercilessly and take your land...but can’t have Pakistani cricketers?

Again having Pakistani cricketers benefits who? As far as I know it doesn’t impact IPL or BCCI 1% difference.

As far Chinese companies are concerned, sure boycott to a point it doesn’t impact nation as an whole.

 

[Mamoon]

Why would you persist with Chinese sponsors , the nation which kill your soldiers mercilessly and take your land...but can’t have Pakistani cricketers?

It is about alternatives. Pakistan has been a borderline minnow and a largely irrelevant cricket nation in the IPL era, so IPL did not miss out by refusing to sign Pakistani players because they had superior players at their disposal.

IPL has become as big as the WT20 without a single Pakistani player since 2009 which sums up Pakistan’s fledging status in world cricket.

Similarly, if IPL can attract bigger companies than VIVO, they will ditch them. If not, they will have to swallow their pride.

 

[MenInG]

IPL’s stature is equivalent to World T20, the pinnacle of T20 cricket at the international level.

There will be no shortage of companies lining up to replace Vivo. In fact, they could secure a bigger deal.

Yes many companies would line up but will they pay the big bucks that Vivo paid in 2017 is the question - Remember its not the beauty of India or the freshness of Kohli's face that gets players to India - its the bucks.

 

[Rana]

It is about alternatives. Pakistan has been a borderline minnow and a largely irrelevant cricket nation in the IPL era, so IPL did not miss out by refusing to sign Pakistani players because they had superior players at their disposal.

IPL has become as big as the WT20 without a single Pakistani player since 2009 which sums up Pakistan’s fledging status in world cricket.

Similarly, if IPL can attract bigger companies than VIVO, they will ditch them. If not, they will have to swallow their pride.

The ousting of Pakistani players was never on the basis of talent. It was due to border tensions.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

IPL’s stature is equivalent to World T20, the pinnacle of T20 cricket at the international level.

There will be no shortage of companies lining up to replace Vivo. In fact, they could secure a bigger deal.

In fairness, if the competition couldn't outbid the Vivo deal during normal economic conditions, how will they do so amidst a worsening global pandemic that's stalled the global economy for months?

While there's no doubt sponsors would line up fast, no way in hell will they secure a bigger deal, especially when in this scenario it'd be the bidders who hold the cards since they have the more advantageous negotiating position.

 

[Geil]

If the BCCI is going to drop VIVO and PAYTM from their sponsorship this is going to cost them some big money losses, under normal circumstances BCCI could afford such losses but this is no normal situation it is pandemic and if Indian Governtment orders BCCI to drop them then expect a B-grade IPL to the usual A-grade overall event that IPL is used to pulling off every year

 

[anonymous_guy]

In fairness, if the competition couldn't outbid the Vivo deal during normal economic conditions, how will they do so amidst a worsening global pandemic that's stalled the global economy for months?

While there's no doubt sponsors would line up fast, no way in hell will they secure a bigger deal, especially when in this scenario it'd be the bidders who hold the cards since they have the more advantageous negotiating position.

To add to this, if the IPL management team decides to break/cancel the contract, VIVO would definitely file a lawsuit against the IPL management.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

To add to this, if the IPL management team decides to break/cancel the contract, VIVO would definitely file a lawsuit against the IPL management.

Won't be a problem for patriotic BCCI because for them pride of India comes before money. They have proved it time and again by cancelling many bilateral series against our neighbour. Let's see if they remain consitent in their stance because China killed 20 of our soldiers.

 

[leg-side-flick]

If they persist with VIVO and other Chinese sponsors, then there is no reason to boycott Pakistani cricketers really

Buddy, nobody in India including BCCI gives a flying Fig about participation of Pak players in IPL, so its not going to change at all.

As for Vivo, again nothing is going to change, they will stay title sponsors till next year....

 

[leg-side-flick]

Won't be a problem for patriotic BCCI because for them pride of India comes before money. They have proved it time and again by cancelling many bilateral series against our neighbour. Let's see if they remain consitent in their stance because China killed 20 of our soldiers.

Well our neighbors are no less patriotic, they started bilateral tour cancellation in 93... May be it doesn't suit your agenda to mention that here....

As for IPL participation, they were welcomed just like any other country in 2008, when it began, but PCB acted up in 2009 and tried to sabotage IPL.... BCCI put them in place and since then, it's been a endless stream of pleas from Pak players to join the gig....

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Well our neighbors are no less patriotic, they started bilateral tour cancellation in 93... May be it doesn't suit your agenda to mention that here....

As for IPL participation, they were welcomed just like any other country in 2008, when it began, but PCB acted up in 2009 and tried to sabotage IPL.... BCCI put them in place and since then, it's been a endless stream of pleas from Pak players to join the gig....

They moved on from that and toured India many times after that. May be you are not going to mention that for obvious reasons?

I am pretty sure even if BCCI invites Pakistan today, they will come and play like they did in that Aane Do series. But when it's our turn to play them in bilaterals we will bring our 'government not allowing us' card once again.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Buddy, nobody in India including BCCI gives a flying Fig about participation of Pak players in IPL, so its not going to change at all.

As for Vivo, again nothing is going to change, they will stay title sponsors till next year....

Ok so lives of soldiers only matter when they die from Pakistani bullets? This country is full of hypocrites.

 

[Mamoon]

The ousting of Pakistani players was never on the basis of talent. It was due to border tensions.

That is not the point. The point is that IPL had no problem ousting Pakistani players because they knew they had better players to pick from.

If that wasn’t the case they would have swallowed their pride and continued to pick Pakistani players.

Same reason why they ignore border tensions temporarily and play Pakistan in ICC tourneys because they don’t want to give up points.

 

[Slim]

So has IPL cancelled the contracts with the rich Chinese companies? You cant have your cake and eat it too.

 

[U$ofA]

So has IPL cancelled the contracts with the rich Chinese companies? You cant have your cake and eat it too.

Why not? The BCCI has been doing it for a very long time and the ICC is letting them. Why would the IPL be any different.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

That is not the point. The point is that IPL had no problem ousting Pakistani players because they knew they had better players to pick from.

If that wasn’t the case they would have swallowed their pride and continued to pick Pakistani players.

Same reason why they ignore border tensions temporarily and play Pakistan in ICC tourneys because they don’t want to give up points.

Righhhttt, so by that analogy we are to believe that players like Joshua Phillippe and Chris Green etc are better than Babar Azam whilst absolute world beaters like Sherfane Rutherford, Billy Stanlake, Chris Morris and Keemo Paul are much much better players compared to Shaheen Shah Afridi, and Mohammad Amir.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Righhhttt, so by that analogy we are to believe that players like Joshua Phillippe and Chris Green etc are better than Babar Azam whilst absolute world beaters like Sherfane Rutherford, Billy Stanlake, Chris Morris and Keemo Paul are much much better players compared to Shaheen Shah Afridi, and Mohammad Amir.

Better than him for sure, they aren’t convicted fixer. That’s enough
Lastly, IPL chose players who Indians want to see. So, let us Indians decide who we like watching

 

[NishanKonar]

Righhhttt, so by that analogy we are to believe that players like Joshua Phillippe and Chris Green etc are better than Babar Azam whilst absolute world beaters like Sherfane Rutherford, Billy Stanlake, Chris Morris and Keemo Paul are much much better players compared to Shaheen Shah Afridi, and Mohammad Amir.

Point is IPL has not paid any price keeping out Pakistani players. Lots of talented West indies , Australians & South Africans & now English players to fill in places

Problem with Pakistani players is risk factor. What if IPL starts & after 3 weeks trouble flares up in between 2 nations.Then the Pakistani players will have to withdraw & that wud cost the respective teams. This is why IPL teams are wary of picking Pakistani players

KKR in 2009 faced this problem. Had bought too many Pakistani players & all withdrew leaving KKR shelling out million bucks on guys like Mashrafe Mortaza

Its purely commercial consideration & risk averse strategy by IPL teams

 

[Titan24]

You can only let emotions come into play when you can afford that. Just like BCCI never boycotts playing against Pakistan in global tournaments I highly doubt they are gonna do much about this sponsorship deal.

If they could have been able to afford that then that would already have happened. All the patriotism, attitude, ego etc comes at a halt when you have something to loose.

 

[Liverpool_Faizan]

It is about alternatives. Pakistan has been a borderline minnow and a largely irrelevant cricket nation in the IPL era, so IPL did not miss out by refusing to sign Pakistani players because they had superior players at their disposal.

IPL has become as big as the WT20 without a single Pakistani player since 2009 which sums up Pakistan’s fledging status in world cricket.

Similarly, if IPL can attract bigger companies than VIVO, they will ditch them. If not, they will have to swallow their pride.

Lol. This is so misinformed and a load of nonsense it is borderline stupid.

I think tbis poster has made some incredibly baseless and uneducated posts before.

Pakistan was one of the best teams in T20 cricket from inception date to around 2013ish. In fact, a lot of IPL owners wanted Pak players in their teams especially since they realized the upside of having Pakistani players battling it out with Indian cricketers. SRK was vocal about this from what I remember.

Also by your incredibly flawed logic, some of the absolute dross that has been picked up by the IPL are better than Pakistani players?

Strange strange post. It's almost harmful to spread stuff like this..lol.

 

[Rana]

Lol. This is so misinformed and a load of nonsense it is borderline stupid.

I think tbis poster has made some incredibly baseless and uneducated posts before.

Pakistan was one of the best teams in T20 cricket from inception date to around 2013ish. In fact, a lot of IPL owners wanted Pak players in their teams especially since they realized the upside of having Pakistani players battling it out with Indian cricketers. SRK was vocal about this from what I remember.

Also by your incredibly flawed logic, some of the absolute dross that has been picked up by the IPL are better than Pakistani players?

Strange strange post. It's almost harmful to spread stuff like this..lol.

If I am totally honest, I feel the following players will get snapped up very quickly in the IPL:

Babar Azam
Mohammad Amir
Shaheen Shah
Harris Rauf
Wahab Riaz
Shadab Khan
Imad Wasim
Dilbar Hussain
Mohammad Hasnain

Borderline:

Fakhar Zaman
Sharjeel Khan

I don’t even feel like I am exaggerating or trying to shove Pakistani players down IPL throats. It’s just plain and simple business. These are good players for subcontinent conditions, most would come at a bargain.

 

[Mamoon]

Righhhttt, so by that analogy we are to believe that players like Joshua Phillippe and Chris Green etc are better than Babar Azam whilst absolute world beaters like Sherfane Rutherford, Billy Stanlake, Chris Morris and Keemo Paul are much much better players compared to Shaheen Shah Afridi, and Mohammad Amir.

You don’t understand how auction system works. No franchise has endless funds where they can only buy top players.

Babar, Shaheen and Amir (on a good day) are top players, but they are not better than the top players of other teams.

If you can have Warner, de Villiers, Smith, Starc, Cummins, Archer etc., why would you go through the trouble of signing Babar, Shaheen and Amir?

Babar and Shaheen only emerged recently, if you go back a few years, our main players were still inferior to the main players of the top sides.

You have to go as far back to find players like prime Afridi, Gul etc. who were brilliant in the format.

So players like Babar, Shaheen and Amir are not competing with the likes of Green, Stanlake and Paul. They are competing with the likes of Warner, de Villiers, Starc, Cummins etc.

 

[Mamoon]

Lol. This is so misinformed and a load of nonsense it is borderline stupid.

I think tbis poster has made some incredibly baseless and uneducated posts before.

Pakistan was one of the best teams in T20 cricket from inception date to around 2013ish. In fact, a lot of IPL owners wanted Pak players in their teams especially since they realized the upside of having Pakistani players battling it out with Indian cricketers. SRK was vocal about this from what I remember.

Also by your incredibly flawed logic, some of the absolute dross that has been picked up by the IPL are better than Pakistani players?

Strange strange post. It's almost harmful to spread stuff like this..lol.

There are two problems with your argument. Firstly, you don’t seem to realize that Pakistan was a mediocre T20I side by 2013. Our golden run started with the 2007 and ended in summer 2010.

SRK made that statement in January 2010 when Pakistan were the WT20 champions. By 2013, IPL did not need Pakistani players and the tournament became bigger and bigger each year without the contribution of Pakistani players.

Furthermore, as I explained in my previous post, the “dross” picked up by IPL were not competing with Pakistan’s best players of the 2010s such as Afridi, Babar, Malik, Hafeez, Amir, Shaheen, Ajmal etc.

These Pakistani players were competing with the best players of other countries and that is where they came up short. That is how auctions work - no franchise has unlimited $$$ to bid for all the expensive overseas players.

If Pakistan’s best players were better than the likes of Warner, Starc, Cummins, Maxwell, de Villiers, de Kock, Steyn, Rabada, Gayle, Russell, Stokes, Archer, Buttler etc., IPL franchises would have had the incentive to invest in Pakistani players, but they were not worth the trouble because they had superior alternatives at their disposal.

Moreover, it is important to understand why Pakistani players were barred from IPL in the first place.

As I stated above, we were an excellent T20I side between 2007 and 2010, and our players played a prominent role in the inaugural IPL. Heck, RR wouldn’t have won the title without Tanvir.

When the Mumbai attacks happened India accused Pakistan of masterminding the attack, PCB decided to block its players from entering the auction for IPL 2 (2009). This created a problem for the IPL franchises who had to quickly find replacements for the Pakistani players.

A year later, PCB regained its senses and decided to send its players for the auction of IPL 3 (2010). However, IPL administrators could no longer trust PCB because they could back out at any point depending on their mood, and that is why our players were embarrassed in the 2010 auction when all of them were ignored on the instructions of the IPL management.

That is when SRK expressed his disappointed and stated that the owners should have been allowed to pick the WT20 champions.

IPL’s decision was vindicated when IPL got bigger and bigger each year and was clearly not hampered by the absence of Pakistani players.

Meanwhile, our players continued to lament over the exclusion in IPL until we came up with the cheap imitation called PSL.

PCB thought by blocking Pakistani players they would sabotage the IPL, but their scheme backfired in spectacular fashion and only resulted in players like Afridi, Malik, Amir, Hafeez etc. losing money.

The Modi regime would have banned Pakistani players anyway, but PCB’s stupid stunt cost Pakistani players at least 2-3 IPL seasons.

 

[Pakhs]

This is politics and has no place in sports. Not related to actual cricket.

 

[Slim]

Better than him for sure, they aren’t convicted fixer. That’s enough
Lastly, IPL chose players who Indians want to see. So, let us Indians decide who we like watching

Buddy the hell you on about with this wannabe moral high ground? An IPL team literally got banned due to match fixing and that included the likes of MS Dhoni.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

Better than him for sure, they aren’t convicted fixer. That’s enough
Lastly, IPL chose players who Indians want to see. So, let us Indians decide who we like watching

This is adorable, this reasoning of yours. The pick-and-choose morality at play here. Did this moral commitment stop IPL sides from using Marlon Samuels? Did it stop them from using proven cheaters Steven Smith and India's favourite son, David Warner? Will it stop Shakib from being selected in the future? Has Srinavasan completely severed his connection with CSK, even after they were thrown out for two years?

Yeah, didn't think so mate.

Lastly, The point I was responding to was if Pakistani players were good enough to play in the IPL, which of course they are. I couldn't care less if Pakistanis play in the IPL. I'd prefer if they didn't TBH, better they give that time to the Pakistan national team.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Buddy the hell you on about with this wannabe moral high ground? An IPL team literally got banned due to match fixing and that included the likes of MS Dhoni.

Dhoni was banned? Caught with fixing? It was betting by CSK owner and not fixing by players(yes including Dhoni). Get your facts right.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why not? The BCCI has been doing it for a very long time and the ICC is letting them. Why would the IPL be any different.

How can ICC decide on who plays in IPL?

 

[cricketjoshila]

I dont get this. Vivo has factories in india where they make their phones. Same for Xiaomi or Oppo or one plus or samsung etc. These phones are made in India.

Now someone may point out that some parts are imported from china, well same may be the case for any other country.

What needs to be boycotted is import of finished goods from china and also putting tariffs on raw materials. This will force manufacturers to either boost the supply chain in India or source the stuff from non chinese sources.

 

[Rana]

According to one poster, Pakistani players are the only ones competing for the positions of Warner, Stark, Cummings, AB, Maxwell etc. Hence they have no chance in the IPL

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Dhoni was banned? Caught with fixing? It was betting by CSK owner and not fixing by players(yes including Dhoni). Get your facts right.

We should be the last ones accusing others of fixing in cricket. We have our own history of match fixers. And you are delusional if you think leagues like IPL are clean. May be spend some time reading the following article to understand how betting works :

"50 investigations that we are undertaking & majority have links to corruptors in India" : ICC

Did the wide-ranging fallout of the 2013 IPL spot-fixing scandal work as a deterrent against corruption in Indian cricket? Not so, say anti-corruption (ACU) officials in the sport.

These officials say the corruptors now look to target the state leagues as well as lesser known live competitions - smaller in scale and involving more vulnerable players. “We have 50 investigations that we are undertaking and majority have links to corruptors in India,” Steve Richardson, coordinator of investigations, International Cricket Council ACU said in a webinar on Sports Law and Policy on Saturday.

Of late, no high-profile Indian cricketer may have come under the lens, but the player-bookie nexus goes unabated, he said. “Players are the final link in the chain. Problem is with people who organise corruption, who pay the players; who sit outside the sport. I can deliver eight names to Indian governing agencies who are serial offenders and constantly approach the players,” Richardson added.

But for Covid 19 applying the brake on all state leagues, many of them would have been on by now. The Karnataka Premier League (KPL) remains suspended and police investigations are on after some players and a team owner were charged with fixing. “The police has filed partial charge-sheets in KPL matter. We are in the process of examination of that evidence,” BCCI ACU head Ajit Singh said.

“The entire malice emanates from (illegal) betting. Just to make windfall gains illegally through betting, they approach participants (players, support staff, officials, franchise owners) and the amount of money involved is unimaginable - an annual turnover of R30,000-40,000 crore; including sports and other activities. In state leagues, we got betting examined on certain matches and we discovered it comes to the tune of more than 2 million pounds per match,” said Singh.

ACU officials say nothing will change until match-fixing is made a criminal offence in India. “Sri Lanka was the first nation that brought a match-fixing law. For that reason, Sri Lanka cricket is better protected now. In Australia’s case, we are very proactive. At the moment, with no legislation in place in India, they are operating with one hand tied up,” said Richardson.

A robust law would also help protect ICC events better. “In Australia, they can stop someone coming to their country before the tournament. India too has ICC events coming up with the T20 World Cup (2021) and the 2023 ODI World Cup. Legislation would be a game changer.”

Singh said there would be a strong deterrent if the pending Prevention of Sports Fraud bill became law. “Fans put in a huge amount of emotion and this (fixing) happens… It starts at an early stage; those who are in sports betting nurture these players and start using them later for fixing. It needs to be curbed. For that you need a strong law. Currently it is archaic, and some of the conditions are laughable.”

https://m.hindustantimes.com/cricke...ia-official/story-z3Xi7qxWgb5g68ap3ZHfHL.html

 

[cricketjoshila]

According to one poster, Pakistani players are the only ones competing for the positions of Warner, Stark, Cummings, AB, Maxwell etc. Hence they have no chance in the IPL

Pakistani players will be competing for a spot among the 4 foreigners in the playing 11. Considering that all other country's top players are available for IPL, why will anyone pick pakistanis?

 

[CanadianG00se]

We should be the last ones accusing others of fixing in cricket. We have our own history of match fixers. And you are delusional if you think leagues like IPL are clean. May be spend some time reading the following article to understand how betting works :

"50 investigations that we are undertaking & majority have links to corruptors in India" : ICC

Did the wide-ranging fallout of the 2013 IPL spot-fixing scandal work as a deterrent against corruption in Indian cricket? Not so, say anti-corruption (ACU) officials in the sport.

These officials say the corruptors now look to target the state leagues as well as lesser known live competitions - smaller in scale and involving more vulnerable players. “We have 50 investigations that we are undertaking and majority have links to corruptors in India,” Steve Richardson, coordinator of investigations, International Cricket Council ACU said in a webinar on Sports Law and Policy on Saturday.

Of late, no high-profile Indian cricketer may have come under the lens, but the player-bookie nexus goes unabated, he said. “Players are the final link in the chain. Problem is with people who organise corruption, who pay the players; who sit outside the sport. I can deliver eight names to Indian governing agencies who are serial offenders and constantly approach the players,” Richardson added.

But for Covid 19 applying the brake on all state leagues, many of them would have been on by now. The Karnataka Premier League (KPL) remains suspended and police investigations are on after some players and a team owner were charged with fixing. “The police has filed partial charge-sheets in KPL matter. We are in the process of examination of that evidence,” BCCI ACU head Ajit Singh said.

“The entire malice emanates from (illegal) betting. Just to make windfall gains illegally through betting, they approach participants (players, support staff, officials, franchise owners) and the amount of money involved is unimaginable - an annual turnover of R30,000-40,000 crore; including sports and other activities. In state leagues, we got betting examined on certain matches and we discovered it comes to the tune of more than 2 million pounds per match,” said Singh.

ACU officials say nothing will change until match-fixing is made a criminal offence in India. “Sri Lanka was the first nation that brought a match-fixing law. For that reason, Sri Lanka cricket is better protected now. In Australia’s case, we are very proactive. At the moment, with no legislation in place in India, they are operating with one hand tied up,” said Richardson.

A robust law would also help protect ICC events better. “In Australia, they can stop someone coming to their country before the tournament. India too has ICC events coming up with the T20 World Cup (2021) and the 2023 ODI World Cup. Legislation would be a game changer.”

Singh said there would be a strong deterrent if the pending Prevention of Sports Fraud bill became law. “Fans put in a huge amount of emotion and this (fixing) happens… It starts at an early stage; those who are in sports betting nurture these players and start using them later for fixing. It needs to be curbed. For that you need a strong law. Currently it is archaic, and some of the conditions are laughable.”

https://m.hindustantimes.com/cricke...ia-official/story-z3Xi7qxWgb5g68ap3ZHfHL.html

Illegal betting is root cause of corruption in India. I do know that there is form of corruption happening in cricket globally not just India. I was pointing out to the poster for his claim that Dhoni was convicted with fixing which is not true. Even someone gets convicted with fixing has no place in cricket even if it’s Kohli.

If IPL or any other leagues in India is not clean then I have serious doubt that any of Indian matches are clean either. We are back to 90s it seems when match-fixing was rampant where even national captain was sellout. I have no doubt most of matches Azhar played must have been fixed. So, where do we draw the line?

 

[Slog]

Pakistani players will be competing for a spot among the 4 foreigners in the playing 11. Considering that all other country's top players are available for IPL, why will anyone pick pakistanis?

looking at the number of random domestic Aussies who have played in the IPL over the years you would think that the #1 ranked T20 batsman would find a place lol.

 

[Slog]

Behrendoff, Henriques, Tye, Harry Gurney, Ash Turner, Coulter-Nile etc played in the 2019 editions. Im sure a few Pakistanis will find their way...

There have been even more random Aussies and South Africans who have played when Pak t20 teams were #1-#2 ranked

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

We should be the last ones accusing others of fixing in cricket. We have our own history of match fixers. And you are delusional if you think leagues like IPL are clean. May be spend some time reading the following article to understand how betting works :

"50 investigations that we are undertaking & majority have links to corruptors in India" : ICC

Did the wide-ranging fallout of the 2013 IPL spot-fixing scandal work as a deterrent against corruption in Indian cricket? Not so, say anti-corruption (ACU) officials in the sport.

These officials say the corruptors now look to target the state leagues as well as lesser known live competitions - smaller in scale and involving more vulnerable players. “We have 50 investigations that we are undertaking and majority have links to corruptors in India,” Steve Richardson, coordinator of investigations, International Cricket Council ACU said in a webinar on Sports Law and Policy on Saturday.

Of late, no high-profile Indian cricketer may have come under the lens, but the player-bookie nexus goes unabated, he said. “Players are the final link in the chain. Problem is with people who organise corruption, who pay the players; who sit outside the sport. I can deliver eight names to Indian governing agencies who are serial offenders and constantly approach the players,” Richardson added.

But for Covid 19 applying the brake on all state leagues, many of them would have been on by now. The Karnataka Premier League (KPL) remains suspended and police investigations are on after some players and a team owner were charged with fixing. “The police has filed partial charge-sheets in KPL matter. We are in the process of examination of that evidence,” BCCI ACU head Ajit Singh said.

“The entire malice emanates from (illegal) betting. Just to make windfall gains illegally through betting, they approach participants (players, support staff, officials, franchise owners) and the amount of money involved is unimaginable - an annual turnover of R30,000-40,000 crore; including sports and other activities. In state leagues, we got betting examined on certain matches and we discovered it comes to the tune of more than 2 million pounds per match,” said Singh.

ACU officials say nothing will change until match-fixing is made a criminal offence in India. “Sri Lanka was the first nation that brought a match-fixing law. For that reason, Sri Lanka cricket is better protected now. In Australia’s case, we are very proactive. At the moment, with no legislation in place in India, they are operating with one hand tied up,” said Richardson.

A robust law would also help protect ICC events better. “In Australia, they can stop someone coming to their country before the tournament. India too has ICC events coming up with the T20 World Cup (2021) and the 2023 ODI World Cup. Legislation would be a game changer.”

Singh said there would be a strong deterrent if the pending Prevention of Sports Fraud bill became law. “Fans put in a huge amount of emotion and this (fixing) happens… It starts at an early stage; those who are in sports betting nurture these players and start using them later for fixing. It needs to be curbed. For that you need a strong law. Currently it is archaic, and some of the conditions are laughable.”

https://m.hindustantimes.com/cricke...ia-official/story-z3Xi7qxWgb5g68ap3ZHfHL.html

Yeah its obvious that some ipl matches are fixed.
I totally agree with you that MS dhoni is a corrupt fixer.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Behrendoff, Henriques, Tye, Harry Gurney, Ash Turner, Coulter-Nile etc played in the 2019 editions. Im sure a few Pakistanis will find their way...

There have been even more random Aussies and South Africans who have played when Pak t20 teams were #1-#2 ranked

Its obvious bro, players like amir, babar, imad wasim, shaheen afridi will be top draws.
I have seen teams going with nearly unknown players like hardus viljoen, tymal mills, james hopes etc.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Yeah its obvious that some ipl matches are fixed.
I totally agree with you that MS dhoni is a corrupt fixer.

You are acting dumb as always. That article doesn't mention Dhoni's or other player's name anywhere. It shows how betting isn't restricted to some strangers it involves quite a lot of people including players and support staff. Next time do read the article before irresponsibly linking any player's name with fixing without any proofs. That's a brotherly advice #1.

 

[Rana]

Pakistani players will be competing for a spot among the 4 foreigners in the playing 11. Considering that all other country's top players are available for IPL, why will anyone pick pakistanis?

Typical ghamand.

It will be broken, just like it has been.

 

[MenInG]

Suspended 75 feet above the ground with the help of cables, China’s former gymnast Li Ning ‘flew’ along the circumference of the Bird’s Nest and lit the Olympic cauldron; in spectacular fashion, the six-time medallist from the 1984 Games kicked off the 2008 edition in Beijing.

That night, Li’s eponymous sportswear brand also aimed for the stars. At the Beijing Games, the Li-Ning brand clothed only the Chinese gymnastics team. After Ning’s opening acrobatics, the brand’s market value rose by 6% overnight, and there was a 20% rise in it’s brand recall, the highest in a field that also included Nike and Adidas, according to a research paper published by media agency MEC Global.

More than ten years later, Li-Ning made a similar leap in the Indian market. Last February, they signed PV Sindhu as their brand ambassador for Rs48 crore for four years, a record deal for an Indian badminton player.

Six months later, Sindhu won the World Championship. Li-Ning soared, signing a two-year multi-crore deal with the Indian Olympic Association (IOA), which included sponsoring the Indian athletes’ apparel at the 2018 Asian Games and the Tokyo Olympics. They also signed on a handful of Indian badminton players, including Kidambi Srikanth (for Rs 35 crore for four years) and Parupalli Kashyap.

But as Li-Ning’s share in the Indian market grew rapidly, 20 Indian army personnel were killed on the India-China border in Galwan, Ladakh, and the happenings of June 15 eventually led to a growing clamour to ban Chinese goods in the country.

In the aftermath of Galwan, the IOA claimed that it was open to review its deal with Li-Ning, just as the BCCI had called a high-level meeting to discuss their ties with the title sponsor of the IPL, Vivo – a Chinese phone manufacturer.

The meetings are all well and good. But in an era of complex stake-holding patterns, is it possible to define a company’s nationality? And what really is the extent of Chinese import of sports equipment in India?

No. 1, by a mile

“For Li Ning, India is the second biggest market after China,” Mahender Kapoor, director of Sunlight Sports Pte, Li Ning’s distribution partner in 21 markets across Asia, Australia and New Zealand, told afaqs.com after Sindhu had signed in February last year.


Li-Ning of course isn’t the only Chinese brand to have entrenched itself in the Indian sports market.

As per numbers from the Ministry of Commerce & Industry’s Export Import Data Bank, commodities worth ~91,872.59 lakh were imported from China from April 2019 to February 2020 under the head of “Artcls and eqpmt fr gymnstcs, athltcs, other sports (incl table tennis)/outdoor games.”

The total import for the same head and period was ₹ 139,912.07 lakh. China accounted for over 65% of that market. A distant second was Japan (₹11,588.51 lakh).

The growth of Chinese imports in Indian sports market has been rapid. From ₹ 59,434.58 lakh in 2014-15 to ₹ 107,514.25 lakh in 2018-19, according to the ministry’s data. That’s an over 80 per cent rise in just five years.

“Even if there is a plan to ban Chinese imports, it will not happen from tomorrow. We first need to develop that same infrastructure to match the mass production capability and quality of Chinese products,” says Virender Nagpal, proprietor of Sportsline that exports cricket helmets, pads and guards.

“The facilities are being developed in India but it will take time. We must first work towards removing the complexities in getting various compliances in setting up an industry in India. Today China has the cost as well as quality advantage.

According to Nagpal, China has a stronghold in badminton, tennis, and fitness equipment. “Even basketballs and footballs have started coming from China,” he adds. “It’s not only raw material, but finished products too that are being imported.”

Take Taishan for example, a Chinese sports manufacturing unit that produces the cheapest International Gymnastics Federation (FIG)-approved equipment. Varun Grover runs a Pune-based company that distributes Taishan equipment in the country. He says: “If the overall cost of one set of gymnastics equipment is ~ 1 crore from Taishan, it will be double the amount from a German manufacturer or a French company.”

Why would the distributors or the athletes turn to anyone else?

Gaining eyeballs

It’s not only the sports market that has seen growing Chinese influence. The India-China bilateral trade, between January and November 2019, stood at $84.3 billion. And the greater the influx of Chinese products in India, the greater the use of sports as a vehicle to advertise their wares. Chinese companies have understood this well. For example, Vivo retained IPL’s title sponsorship with a ~2199 crore bid for five years. “Which is a 554 per cent increase over the previous contract,” the BCCI had then said in a statement.

While Vivo also paid ~ 300 crore to command the title sponsorship rights of the Pro Kabaddi League for five years, their rivals Oppo outbid them (~ 1079 crore to Vivo’s ~ 768 crore) to become the Indian cricket team’s primary shirt sponsor in 2017.

“The Oppos and Vivos of the world produce mobile phones for the masses. And what better than cricket – the game of the masses in India – to gather eye balls? It then becomes a no-brainer to invest that kind of money to get the reach they are looking for,” says Amarjeet Singh, senior partner with KPMG India, who specialises in start-ups in the fintech space.

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Oppo, incidentally, did not see their five-year deal through with the Indian team and were replaced in 2019 by Byju’s – an online learning company that is seen to be wholly Indian.

But it isn’t. Byju’s, founded by Byju Raveendran in 2011, has several international investors. Including Tencent, a Chinese multinational conglomerate holding company.

In July 2017, Tencent pumped in $40 million in Byju’s and again invested in March 2019. Is it justified to label a home-grown company like Byju’s ‘Chinese’ just on the basis of its investors?

If so, then the list of such investment in Indian cricket is very long.

Paytm, title sponsor for international and domestic cricket matches in India, has seen more than $600 million from China’s Alibaba Group. Dream11, an online gaming platform and official partner of both the BCCI and IPL, in 2018 saw $100 million investment from Tencent. Dream11 is an official partner of the Indian Super League as well.

The list also includes Swiggy and MakeMyTrip – both of which have heavy Chinese investment – who were IPL’s associate sponsors in 2019.

“In a globalised world populated with MNCs, while companies certainly have places of incorporation, it is nearly impossible to attribute companies a ‘nationality’”, says Nandan Kamath, sports lawyer and trustee of GoSports Foundation – a NGO which supports grassroots athletes.

“Equity ownership is only one limited aspect of commercial interest and there are many direct and indirect ways of investing in equity. Any attempt to attribute companies a nationality different from their place of incorporation is likely to be a limited and futile exercise.”

No directives yet

The government of India is yet to come out with a clear-cut directive for the road ahead. Until then, most boards and agencies are happy to wait and watch.

“Sponsors are hard to come by. We chose Li-Ning as Indian Olympic contingent’s apparel sponsors because they were the highest bidders. We had a contract till Tokyo Olympics that was supposed to happen this year. It was postponed till 2021 and the contract got extended,” says Rajeev Mehta, IOA secretary general.

“There is no question of cancelling the contract before the government guidelines comes in.”

Even in the case of a sudden termination to the contract, Kamath reckons that it will be Indian sports that will suffer most.

“If a party terminates an agreement prematurely and unilaterally in a manner not contemplated under the agreement, this could amount to a breach of the agreement and remedies of damages will be available,” he says.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/othe...ndian-sport/story-gf9Yu4hYwCeQhxTrmpFtLI.html

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Well Indian team is now sponsored by Byju's , all international cricket in India is sponsored by Star. So there are plenty of big players who can replace the Chinese brands

IPL itself was earlier sponsored by DLF & Pepsi

Cricket sponsorship rights are big in India & lots of companies will be itching to replace Vivo . Plus there is expectation for record TV viewership for IPL if it happens this year as most people are stuck at home

I had doubts in my mind that Byjus also has chinese investors which has been cleared by the article posted above by [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]

This is from that article

But it isn’t. Byju’s, founded by Byju Raveendran in 2011, has several international investors. Including Tencent, a Chinese multinational conglomerate holding company.

In July 2017, Tencent pumped in $40 million in Byju’s and again invested in March 2019. Is it justified to label a home-grown company like Byju’s ‘Chinese’ just on the basis of its investors?

It also raises a question that is it justified to label a home grown company Chinese because of its investors? In a country like India, absolutely yes they should be labeled as Chinese. I mean in a country where you are asked to leave your country for having a different opinion this is a huge crime. Nobody invests money for charity they are also making profits in return.

So far in this thread it's proven that when money is driving your vehicle, patriotism takes the back seat.

 

[NishanKonar]

I had doubts in my mind that Byjus also has chinese investors which has been cleared by the article posted above by [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]

This is from that article

But it isn’t. Byju’s, founded by Byju Raveendran in 2011, has several international investors. Including Tencent, a Chinese multinational conglomerate holding company.

In July 2017, Tencent pumped in $40 million in Byju’s and again invested in March 2019. Is it justified to label a home-grown company like Byju’s ‘Chinese’ just on the basis of its investors?

It also raises a question that is it justified to label a home grown company Chinese because of its investors? In a country like India, absolutely yes they should be labeled as Chinese. I mean in a country where you are asked to leave your country for having a different opinion this is a huge crime. Nobody invests money for charity they are also making profits in return.

So far in this thread it's proven that when money is driving your vehicle, patriotism takes the back seat.

Its all about optics. Byju's is an Indian company with Chinese investors. Noth the ame as Chnese company

Now there will hardly any company in India with no ties to China.. Tata, Birla, Reliance, Infosys and other top Indian firms - all have business dealings with China. Its expected given how globalized business is. I have heard even Nawaz Shari's company has business dealings with JIndal group of India !!!

Point is more about public pressure. A proper Chinese company will always look worse in optics than an Indian company with business dealings with China

ps : China itself has asked is students & tourists to boycott Australia even though China - Australia has big trade tie between them. Again its all about optics. China will continue to import coal , iron ore & meat from Australia & export electronics stuff in return

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Indian govt has banned some Chinese apps. Will they now ban Vivo, Oppo, Paytm?

 

[Moh@n]

This will surely test the loyalty of BCCI and over enthusiastic IPL fans towards India. In the past also BCCI has proven that they think about India first and then their pockets. Boycotting Pakistan in bilaterals is a prime example of that.

When has BCCI refused to play against Pakistan when the GoI allowed it to? I am starting to lose count of your clueless posts