Dunning-Kruger effect

[Devilsadvokat]

In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people of low ability have illusory superiority and mistakenly assess their cognitive ability as greater than it is. The cognitive bias of illusory superiority comes from the inability of low-ability people to recognize their lack of ability. Without the self-awareness of metacognition, low-ability people cannot objectively evaluate their actual competence or incompetence.[1]

As described by social psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the cognitive bias of illusory superiority results from an internal illusion in people of low ability and from an external misperception in people of high ability; that is, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others."[1]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

Are people familiar with this? Not aiming it at anyone in particular. Just for information.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

I think a lot of people, including me, tend to go through that phase/effect. But I don’t think that it’s something that remains consistent. If I am to hypothesise I’d say that all of us at some point in our lives have overestimated our own abilities and underestimated the abilities of the others and vice versa.

 

[ManFan]

Most people’s self-worth is either lower or higher than they believe so.

 

[Itachi]

I think a lot of people, including me, tend to go through that phase/effect. But I don’t think that it’s something that remains consistent. If I am to hypothesise I’d say that all of us at some point in our lives have overestimated our own abilities and underestimated the abilities of the others and vice versa.

I would agree with this. It depends on the time, place and mental state of the person.

 

[Napa]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

Are people familiar with this? Not aiming it at anyone in particular. Just for information.

It appears the D-K effect is "people who are not smart think they are smarter than they actually are".

Okay, not very profound. How does knowing this help us solve any real world problem?

 

[RickyG]

I know people that basically have this. In fact, I've met lots of people with this effect. And I'm not talking about a temporary phase like we all go through but people that genuinely constantly over-estimate their intelligence and abilities.

 

[JaDed]

I envy such people.. unlike me they have no insecurities.

 

[RickyG]

I envy such people.. unlike me they have no insecurities.

Be careful what you wish for. These people are also the easiest to scam. You tell them they are geniuses and you can sell them anything.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

I envy such people.. unlike me they have no insecurities.

This. To be ignorant of ones ignorance. Bliss

 

[Devilsadvokat]

Be careful what you wish for. These people are also the easiest to scam. You tell them they are geniuses and you can sell them anything.

You could, Trump voters suffer from it en masse.On the other hand i know stupid people with thriving business and intelligent people without a pension.

 

[Musakhel]

It is good in some ways, the greatest obstacles are in your mind, sometimes you just have to try and not think, i guess fighters would generally be people described in the OP because they don't think they just feel like Bruce Lee said.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

The fool thinks himself to be wise, while a wise man knows himself to be a fool. That's Shakespeare, ever wondered why stupid people have a better handle on realty, living real lives.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

I'm the opposite, sure there are somethings i think i am good at but generally, 99 per cent of the time there is always someone around or end of a phone who could do a better job of it, so I never learn.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

It is good in some ways, the greatest obstacles are in your mind, sometimes you just have to try and not think, i guess fighters would generally be people described in the OP because they don't think they just feel like Bruce Lee said.

His use of the word 'feel', i dont even think you need to reach out in order to 'feel', when you are in the right groove/channel, it just happens.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

It appears the D-K effect is "people who are not smart think they are smarter than they actually are".

Okay, not very profound. How does knowing this help us solve any real world problem?

Its psychology not philosophy, not meant to be profound. Some suggest it ends up with Trump, or Tommy Robinson here in UK, basically the masses have finally realised that their vote can make the difference.

Another experiment, at the risk of earning your ire because i dont know of any real life applications is, the name escapes me but it involves...

1 professor
4 students who have been given secret task.
1 student who is thee test subject

All are shown a line (x) drawn vertically on a blackboard. All are asked to determine if line x corresponds with ( there are five lines drawn horizontally, A, B, you get the picture).
Everyone is asked in turn to say what they think is the answer.

Lets say is D. The first four are told to all say, lets say, B.

The test subject must think that they are all wrong but for reasons the pyschologist have probably given but i dont know for sure, chose B, to match the groupthink, even knowng it was wrong.

 

[RickyG]

You could, Trump voters suffer from it en masse.On the other hand i know stupid people with thriving business and intelligent people without a pension.

You can be stupid and still be successful by knowing your limitations. Because then you can outsource what you can't do or take advice from the right people.

But whether you're stupid or smart, it's much more difficult to be successful if you constantly over-estimate yourself. There are a lot of con artists that prey on people like that in this world.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Case in point ..... Theresa May

 

[Big Mac]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

Are people familiar with this? Not aiming it at anyone in particular. Just for information.

Yeah I've read a couple of commentary threads.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

Yeah I've read a couple of commentary threads.

That's good to know.