ECB should break the global silence on Pakistan's sad and strange IPL exile

[Titan24]

I think there is need to have an article which talked about why one league gets a special window in which pretty much no international cricket happens? Also why does ICC entertain that? Further if any other league starts paying as much money will it be getting the same window as its some sort of new rule in the constitution of ICC or its some underhand agreement which wont apply to anybody else?

I understand players want to earn money but the question is why and how ICC can give a special window to one league? Do you have to pay a certain some of money to players to have that special window or all the members of ICC were called for voting and they decided that?

Its not to criticize any league but, just genuine questions of how this works and how will it work in future if any other league asks for the same treatment. As by the looks of it the precedent has been set.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION]

It does not make an iota of difference. Even if we agree that PCB had nothing to do with the decision to withhold the players from participating in IPL 2009 and it was the Pakistani government decision, it does not change the fact that we shot ourselves in the foot and our IPL exile is self-inflicted.

There is no reason to cry over spilled milk now. We have the PSL and let’s focus on that. Granted that is nothing but a cheap imitation of IPL, it is still something.

 

[Savak]

[MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION]

It does not make an iota of difference. Even if we agree that PCB had nothing to do with the decision to withhold the players from participating in IPL 2009 and it was the Pakistani government decision, it does not change the fact that we shot ourselves in the foot and our IPL exile is self-inflicted.

There is no reason to cry over spilled milk now. We have the PSL and let’s focus on that. Granted that is nothing but a cheap imitation of IPL, it is still something.

The PSL has a lot of unexplored potential and the plan i visualized has a lot of practical realization

 

[Savak]

For the record, i agree it is not ECB's responsibility to fight for the inclusion of Pakistani players in the IPL. This is for the Pakistani Govt, PCB and IPL, BCCI, Indian Govt and ICC to negotiate.

 

[Savak]

If that is the case, then why beg and plead for inclusion of pak players...

Why wish for ECB to put pressure on BCCI for inclusion in IPL.

But no, PCB won't do that, yearly moaning will continue, and in the meanwhile they will also drag BCCI to court and eventually lose the case.

After that, guess what, again the cries for IPL inclusion will start.

Meanwhile pak fans will laugh at quality of cricket in IPL.

Lot of delusions there, you should look at mirror before pointing fingers at BCCI

Because Pakistani players were topping the T20 rankings from 2008 to 2014 and their exclusion from 2011 to 2014 and their denial to make life changing sums of money was unjustified.

The PCB was also justified in dragging the BCCI to court because of the BCCI adopting an inconsistent policy with regards to cricketing ties with Pakistan i.e. playing Pakistan only when it suited it financially and refusing the play with Pakistan when the PCB was set to benefit financially. The ICC verdict even sympathized with the PCB and said that while BCCI was morally bound to honour the MOU with the PCB, because of the political situation between the two countries, they could not interfere in the matter and that the BCCI cannot go its govt.

Lol, i never laughed or denied the quality of cricket in Pakistan, neither did i put this English writer to plead for the inclusion of Pakistani players in the IPL

 

[Mamoon]

Jonathan Liew is a well respected journalist. In your desire to put down anything which is remotely pro-Pakistani you seem to have not bothered (not for the time) to check on the reputation of this writer.

If he was well-respected before writing this crap than he does not deserve to preserve that reputation. This piece is nonsense beyond measure.

 

[MenInG]

If he was well-respected before writing this crap than he does not deserve to preserve that reputation. This piece is nonsense beyond measure.

Fact is that his opinion is being read and appreciated by many and the only nonsense being spouted is plain for all to see.

 

[leg-side-flick]

Because Pakistani players were topping the T20 rankings from 2008 to 2014 and their exclusion from 2011 to 2014 and their denial to make life changing sums of money was unjustified.

The PCB was also justified in dragging the BCCI to court because of the BCCI adopting an inconsistent policy with regards to cricketing ties with Pakistan i.e. playing Pakistan only when it suited it financially and refusing the play with Pakistan when the PCB was set to benefit financially. The ICC verdict even sympathized with the PCB and said that while BCCI was morally bound to honour the MOU with the PCB, because of the political situation between the two countries, they could not interfere in the matter and that the BCCI cannot go its govt.

Lol, i never laughed or denied the quality of cricket in Pakistan, neither did i put this English writer to plead for the inclusion of Pakistani players in the IPL

Pak players were good at T20 and that's why indians respected and welcomed them in 2008, be it Afridi in Hyderabad, Akhtar in Kolkata or even the rookie Tanvir in Jaipur. Even Razaaq, Umar Gul did well.

Crowds used back up Akhtar while he ran for a mile in his run up, they were all partying and honnobing with other celebs. No one objected.

Then came 2009, no Noc thing from Pakistan, franchises plans were disturbed, IPL looked like taking a hit and the pak players didn't come even when the matches were going to be in Africa. Surely PCB could have asked the govt to initiate visas for SA, pak players didn't face any threats there...

They didn't do it and that's why they were excluded next year when players wanted to come.

So while you blame BCCI for everything, your own board isn't a saint either. They played power games and lost.

Pak players and media, should ask this question to PCB before blaming Modi / BCCI / RSS for IPL exclusion.

You were a part of the party, enjoyed the attention, we're welcomed but you decided to **** all over, the hosts since then have moved on...

 

[JibranAnsari]

These leagues have already distur ed international cricket calender a lot , I am even against PSL. We should be playing matches against other nations rathar than this waste of time.

 

[Oxfordchamp]

Pak players were good at T20 and that's why indians respected and welcomed them in 2008, be it Afridi in Hyderabad, Akhtar in Kolkata or even the rookie Tanvir in Jaipur. Even Razaaq, Umar Gul did well.

Crowds used back up Akhtar while he ran for a mile in his run up, they were all partying and honnobing with other celebs. No one objected.

Then came 2009, no Noc thing from Pakistan, franchises plans were disturbed, IPL looked like taking a hit and the pak players didn't come even when the matches were going to be in Africa. Surely PCB could have asked the govt to initiate visas for SA, pak players didn't face any threats there...

They didn't do it and that's why they were excluded next year when players wanted to come.

So while you blame BCCI for everything, your own board isn't a saint either. They played power games and lost.

Pak players and media, should ask this question to PCB before blaming Modi / BCCI / RSS for IPL exclusion.

You were a part of the party, enjoyed the attention, we're welcomed but you decided to **** all over, the hosts since then have moved on...

Good post..PCB is to be blamed for their isolation..Pakistan players have lost out a lot due to PCB.

 

[Rana]

These leagues have already distur ed international cricket calender a lot , I am even against PSL. We should be playing matches against other nations rathar than this waste of time.

Yeah like we are playing other teams when the IPL is going on? We only have Zimbabwe and Bangladesh to choose from when that window kicks in!

 

[JibranAnsari]

Yeah like we are playing other teams when the IPL is going on? We only have Zimbabwe and Bangladesh to choose from when that window kicks in!

And we arent playing anyone when PSL is going on , we lose good 4 5 months a years in these leagues. Apart from icc trophy years not many odis are played. Its my personal opinion though , i dont find myself interested in any of these t20 tamasha leagues. I would rathar watch two nations competing.

 

[Savak]

Good post..PCB is to be blamed for their isolation..Pakistan players have lost out a lot due to PCB.

Incorrect, the then PPP government. PCB had no choice but to follow Govt orders at the time

 

[Bewal Express]

The IPL is an Ind tournament and no type of lobbying should be done by anyone. We don't need the IPL and they don't need us. Modi wants to bury us alive, the IPL is the least of worries

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

If he was well-respected before writing this crap than he does not deserve to preserve that reputation. This piece is nonsense beyond measure.

You may not know this, Jonathan Liew is one of the most articulate and considered writers in the English broadsheet media. He also writes for multiple sports, including football, rugby league and cricket. You probably didnt consider that, but going by the tiresome tone of all your posts, I'm not exactly holding my breath.

Thus, what I'm really saying is, your opinion is as relevant as audio cassette tapes and typewriters (I.e. not very relevant). His opinion, given his track record, astonishingly is very relevant.

Thanks and good bye

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

On the general topic, I think Pakistani fans, the media and most importantly the PCB have moved away from wanting any involvement with India, being it either through bilateral international fixtures or Pakistani player involvement in the IPL.

The truth is that, in terms of marketing and finance, in terms of playing talent, and ability, the IPL is the best t20 tournament in the world. However, despite the more dogmatic Indian posters here suggesting otherwise, it's forever poorer/incomplete without Pakistani involvement. The claim of having the best in the world playing in the IPL doesn't really ring true. It may be 95% true, but not 100%.

And that is how the PSL has it's USP. Because the Pakistan team is so busy throughout the year, you rarely see all it's best players playing in any t20 tournament, except for the PSL. And InshAllah, the PSL as a league is in its infancy compared to the IPL and other leagues.

Once more games get played in Pakistan, once we get a more truer home/away fixture schedule and once the franchises start making enough money to get the best international players in, the PSL will go from strength to strength to become the second most important t20 league in the world, InshAllah.

So the question of IPL involvement will be irrelevant. I realise that Indian posters here feel that their power base is eternal. But Pakistan has been on its own this last decade and InshAllah it'll succeed going forward without any favours from India

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

There's this programme on Sky called the Sunday Supplement, where writers discuss the most relevant football stories of the week. It tends to be a revolving door of writers, but whenever Jonathan is on, he's always making quality points.

 

[Rana]

Tbh this is the first time in IPL’s history where a lot of people are actually watching it due to the pandemic and it being the only meaningful cricket on.

Of course people are going to wonder why it is a racist league during Black lives matter

 

[Saj]

The idea is a fairy-tale and a dream.

Nobody will help the PCB in this regard and anyone who speaks up will soon receive the wrath of the BCCI in terms of their players not being picked for the IPL and no series being played against them.

What the PCB should focus on is building the PSL and making it even bigger each year.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Bcci will never put itself in a position where PCB has any leverage over them, like they had in 2009. This is over and above the fact that GoI wont issue visas to pakistanis to work in india.

 

[Third_Umpire]

It's a small, yet easy way to hurt Pakistan so why not from India's POV. Restricting cricket opportunities is a no brainer on Modi's long list of tactics to hurt Pakistan.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

Bcci will never put itself in a position where PCB has any leverage over them, like they had in 2009. This is over and above the fact that GoI wont issue visas to pakistanis to work in india.

Again you assume that Indian influence and power is eternal. Whilst that may be the case now and for the next few years, power bases change.

 

[Varun]

Is there any country bar India that is indispensable to the IPL?

It's not Pakistan. Australia? West Indies?

 

[Mamoon]

You may not know this, Jonathan Liew is one of the most articulate and considered writers in the English broadsheet media. He also writes for multiple sports, including football, rugby league and cricket. You probably didnt consider that, but going by the tiresome tone of all your posts, I'm not exactly holding my breath.

Thus, what I'm really saying is, your opinion is as relevant as audio cassette tapes and typewriters (I.e. not very relevant). His opinion, given his track record, astonishingly is very relevant.

Thanks and good bye

Again, his track-record might be great. However, as far as I am concerned, he has completely lost all credibility with this piece of garbage that he wrote. In all seriousness, he actually deserves to get fired for this.

 

[Savak]

Bcci will never put itself in a position where PCB has any leverage over them, like they had in 2009. This is over and above the fact that GoI wont issue visas to pakistanis to work in india.

When did the PCB ever have any leverage over the BCCI?

 

[cricketjoshila]

When did the PCB ever have any leverage over the BCCI?

2009, pakistani players withdrawal from IPL. It affected the franchisees.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Again you assume that Indian influence and power is eternal. Whilst that may be the case now and for the next few years, power bases change.

Power bases change, but there is no need to handover leverage to your rival.

 

[Savak]

Again, his track-record might be great. However, as far as I am concerned, he has completely lost all credibility with this piece of garbage that he wrote. In all seriousness, he actually deserves to get fired for this.

Thank God it is only as far as you are concerned, you are as relevant as Hussain Haqqani or his secretary

 

[Savak]

2009, pakistani players withdrawal from IPL. It affected the franchisees.

It was a govt decision for one. PCB had no choice but to comply. Secondly the players were not even selected by the Franchises in the draft so it shouldn't have affected anyone.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It was a govt decision for one. PCB had no choice but to comply. Secondly the players were not even selected by the Franchises in the draft so it shouldn't have affected anyone.

2009 pakistani players were already in different squads. It was 2010 when no one was bought in the auction.

Well then Bcci and Franchisees too have no choice but to stay away from PCB and make all plans without them.

 

[Oxfordchamp]

You may not know this, Jonathan Liew is one of the most articulate and considered writers in the English broadsheet media. He also writes for multiple sports, including football, rugby league and cricket. You probably didnt consider that, but going by the tiresome tone of all your posts, I'm not exactly holding my breath.

Thus, what I'm really saying is, your opinion is as relevant as audio cassette tapes and typewriters (I.e. not very relevant). His opinion, given his track record, astonishingly is very relevant.

Thanks and good bye

I am not sure of his other articles but this article does zilch..It will have no impact whatsoever and all his time and energy spent in writing this is wasted with zero benefit.

 

[hashimafzal]

Tbh the PCB should aim to make the PSL better than the IPL. I had an idea on how this could be done which I shared with Najam Sethi in an email and I quote and share

(Dear Mr Najam Sethi

There are so many high net worth Pakistani business owners both in and outside Pakistan whose personal wealths are close to $1 billion. The names of the following come to mind

1) Saddrudun Hashwani
2) Mian Muhammad Mansha Natt
3) Deewan Group Family
4) Arif Habib
5) Engro Corporation
6) Sir Anwar Pervez (London)
7) Shahid Khan (USA)

It may also be possible to engage and attract foreign rich businessmen from India, Arab states like Saudia Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait and China to be PSL Franchise owners. These PSL Franchise Owners should ultimately be encouraged to buy out their respective regions, take complete ownership of the domestic regional teams and this way the goal of privitization of Pakistan Cricket at the grassroots can be achieved and the PCB can focus on just running the affairs of the PCB.

I believe the PSL can easily be number 2 and fingers crossed maybe even over take the IPL if we are very over optimistic. The goal should be a total of 16-18 teams and by selling those teams out at lucrative prices the PCB can get huge financial injections, cash flows where it will no longer be dependant on funds from the ICC, BCCI and this way we can take a strong stand when it comes to making foreign teams tour Pakistan with our held heads high

We can have the following teams from Punjab i.e. Lahore, Multan, Sialkot, Faislabad, Sarghodda

We can have the following teams from Sindh i.e. Karachi, Hyderabad, Sukkur

We can have the following teams from Balochistan i.e. Quetta, Gwadar

We can have the following teams from KPK i.e. Peshawar, Abbotabad, FATA

We can the Islamabad team

We can have a Bahria Town team

We can the following team from Kashmir i.e. Muzzafarabad

We can have a team from the Northern Areas like Gilgit, Baltistan

These are 18 PSL Franchises, the PCB can sell each Franchise at an astranomical higher price and can even rake in a total of $200 million from the sale of these teams. Even better for Pakistan Cricket is that this will allow more talent to be absorbed by the Franchises and more room for foreign players. The PCB will be able to create room for a PSL window in International Cricket just like the BCCI does with the IPL.

The PCB should definately keep these points in mind in the future

Regards)

Lol bro even PSL franchise owners are taking losses.

Its not about who can invest the most money, but who can create a model which will attract viewers while remaining profitable.

The IPL is in one of the LARGEST markets in the world, in a cricket crazy country.


Lets be honest with ourselves here. You can invest all this money, but what is the promise of a return? Pakistan just does not have the market that India does, and its not a knock against anyone, but just a reality we need to consider. The only country that can pull off an IPL is India. Big Bash, PSL, Natwest T20 could all join forces into one league and it will still probably be miles behind the IPL.

Its just the reality.

 

[Savak]

Lol bro even PSL franchise owners are taking losses.

Its not about who can invest the most money, but who can create a model which will attract viewers while remaining profitable.

The IPL is in one of the LARGEST markets in the world, in a cricket crazy country.


Lets be honest with ourselves here. You can invest all this money, but what is the promise of a return? Pakistan just does not have the market that India does, and its not a knock against anyone, but just a reality we need to consider. The only country that can pull off an IPL is India. Big Bash, PSL, Natwest T20 could all join forces into one league and it will still probably be miles behind the IPL.

Its just the reality.

If the PCB is confident of generating $200 million within 3 years from their deal with PTV, why can they not make the PSL a big success?

The PSL was played outside Pakistan for the most part for the first 3-4 seasons and only came back fully to Pakistan this season which is yet to be completed and we still haven't upgraded our stadiums yet. Granted India is the largest cricket market in the world but Pakistan is not far behind either.

The PCBs economic activity in the last decade has been constrained due to the complete abscence of international cricket in Pakistan and before the 2000 era the PCB and BCCI were not miles apart financially.

Posters here do not actually realize the untapped potential of the PSL and Pakistan Cricket when all factors align positively.

If the PCB can get a big injection of $200 million, I guarantee you they will create many avenues to multiply this in their revenue streams.

 

[Indiafan]

It was a govt decision for one. PCB had no choice but to comply. Secondly the players were not even selected by the Franchises in the draft so it shouldn't have affected anyone.

In 2009, Pakistani players were a part of franchises. The auction happened in 2010 when no pakistani players were chosen

 

[Indiafan]

It's a small, yet easy way to hurt Pakistan so why not from India's POV. Restricting cricket opportunities is a no brainer on Modi's long list of tactics to hurt Pakistan.

Modi was not in power in 2009 and 2010 when the whole drama which caused this happened

2009 is when PCB refused to give Pak players clearance to play, despite many franchises having Pak players who were important for them. So Pak players pulled out last minute, affecting franchises and affecting IPLs image.

Then in 2010 in the bidding, franchises refused to pick a single Pak player as retaliation. Since then, no Pak player has been picked

 

[JattMaula]

I am not sure of his other articles but this article does zilch..It will have no impact whatsoever and all his time and energy spent in writing this is wasted with zero benefit.

Author has spend zero amount of time researching for this article. His whole point is 'politics in sport bad.' He doesn't give readers any new info. Neither does he go in detail about the history of Pakistani players in IPL and how they withdrew wholesale from IPL. It is either lazy or deliberately vague do guide readers to most simple conclusion.

And I disagree about the benefit of the article. Moral highhorcery is very profitable these days.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Nonsense article.

I will agree that most Pakistan players would like to be part of IPL - it is a very competitive and lucrative league. Hell Pakistani players generally want to be part of all leagues anyway.

However, I don't think Pakistani public is so fussed. Yes if Pakistani players were part of IPL, the interest in Pakistan would have been far far greater, but really that would be to the advantage of IPL financially. You could say it will benefit Pakistani players by improving their skillset but with PSL, they are not on that big a disadvantage any more.

So the piece is non sense because it sounds like the non-participation of Pakistan in IPL has caused some kind of unimaginable suffering to the nation that is bigger in scope than that wrought by FATF and Pressler Amendment combined.

More and more I realize England and Pakistan cricket have a special bond which is far greater than the sum of its parts. I don't think such a bond exists between any other two boards. It goes back from Pakistan-England history, its cricketers in county over the years and its many cricketing achievements in that part of the world. I also notice that English cricket followers, pundits, ex-players and the board are looking at Pakistan trip very favorably - particularly after Pakistan's visit in the summer.

However, I wish their journos stopped looking at Pakistan as some kind of an orphan they need to support, no matter how well meaning they want to sound.

 

[Savak]

Modi was not in power in 2009 and 2010 when the whole drama which caused this happened

2009 is when PCB refused to give Pak players clearance to play, despite many franchises having Pak players who were important for them. So Pak players pulled out last minute, affecting franchises and affecting IPLs image.

Then in 2010 in the bidding, franchises refused to pick a single Pak player as retaliation. Since then, no Pak player has been picked

Again this rubbish that the PCB refused to give Pakistani players clearance to play in the IPL in 2009, the then PPP government forbade Pakistani players from playing in the IPL and the PCB had no choice but to comply.

Its funny you Indians use the same excuses for the BCCI inability to play against Pakistan citing lack of government approval for all these years but do not grant the same leeway to the PCB back then in 2009

 

[naseem]

Author has spend zero amount of time researching for this article. His whole point is 'politics in sport bad.' He doesn't give readers any new info. Neither does he go in detail about the history of Pakistani players in IPL and how they withdrew wholesale from IPL. It is either lazy or deliberately vague do guide readers to most simple conclusion.

And I disagree about the benefit of the article. Moral highhorcery is very profitable these days.

Players didn't withdrew the Govt of Pak didn't give them clearance....there is a difference

 

[cricketjoshila]

Players didn't withdrew the Govt of Pak didn't give them clearance....there is a difference

Why will the Bcci or IPL make itself hostage to the wishes of pakistan govt?

 

[naseem]

Why will the Bcci or IPL make itself hostage to the wishes of pakistan govt?

Just like ICC's FTP involving Ind Pak series are held hostages by BCCI...
Just like Zimbabwe's coach is held hostage by u know what

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Players didn't withdrew the Govt of Pak didn't give them clearance....there is a difference

Same situation here no clearance from Indian government . What’s the difference?
Pakistan government tried to sabotage IPL back then now they are not invited to the party.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Again this rubbish that the PCB refused to give Pakistani players clearance to play in the IPL in 2009, the then PPP government forbade Pakistani players from playing in the IPL and the PCB had no choice but to comply.

Its funny you Indians use the same excuses for the BCCI inability to play against Pakistan citing lack of government approval for all these years but do not grant the same leeway to the PCB back then in 2009

Ok. So the culprit is pakistan govt. Take up the issue with them. Bcci and IPL dont want to be held hostage to the Pakistan govt.

What if pakistan govt again cancels the NoC for some reason? Imran Khan is on a regular twitter tirade against the Indian govt. What if he cancelled the NoCs? Why will the Bcci or IPL give leverage to someone in Pakistan?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Just like ICC's FTP involving Ind Pak series are held hostages by BCCI...
Just like Zimbabwe's coach is held hostage by u know what

India doesn't complain that its not getting to play pakistan. They are fine with it. Neither does India complain if a Pakistani doesn't visit India.

 

[naseem]

India doesn't complain that its not getting to play pakistan. They are fine with it. Neither does India complain if a Pakistani doesn't visit India.

Wasim Akram Rameez Raja Aleem Dar Waqar Younis all were involved with IPL baring players.... Reason security......isnt it funny 2 say least....
Azhar Mahmood featured in many Ind Pak duels immediately get an opportunity after getting UK citizenship....

Guess what the craze of Pakistani is such that Moeen Tahir and Ali were in IPL .....
And if Amir gets UK citizenship he may play in IPL too or even coaching stuff.....after retiring...
India can't complain bcoz it doesn't has freedom of expression.... LOL

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Wasim Akram Rameez Raja Aleem Dar Waqar Younis all were involved with IPL baring players.... Reason security......isnt it funny 2 say least....
Azhar Mahmood featured in many Ind Pak duels immediately get an opportunity after getting UK citizenship....

Guess what the craze of Pakistani is such that Moeen Tahir and Ali were in IPL .....
And if Amir gets UK citizenship he may play in IPL too or even coaching stuff.....after retiring...
India can't complain bcoz it doesn't has freedom of expression.... LOL

Well after Pulwama, even they were barred. So whats your point?
If Amir takes UK citizenship, and does not play any cricket for Pakistan, then he will be welcomed,i think.
The idea of Indian Govt. is to hurt and isolate wherever possible via diplomatic means, that is all India can do in response to the enmity from the other side.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

I don' t think general Pakistan fans and public are under any delusion about why Pakistan players are not in IPL.
Really don't understand why few posters want there players to be part of IPL in that situation.
As Imran Khan said, it will be awful environment for Pakistan players to be in.
Why would you want to put yourself through that ?

 

[naseem]

Well after Pulwama, even they were barred. So whats your point?
If Amir takes UK citizenship, and does not play any cricket for Pakistan, then he will be welcomed,i think.
The idea of Indian Govt. is to hurt and isolate wherever possible via diplomatic means, that is all India can do in response to the enmity from the other side.

Do u still believe India is 2019 Work cup champions

 

[naseem]

I don' t think general Pakistan fans and public are under any delusion about why Pakistan players are not in IPL.
Really don't understand why few posters want there players to be part of IPL in that situation.
As Imran Khan said, it will be awful environment for Pakistan players to be in.
Why would you want to put yourself through that ?

It is other thing cricket is not possible now.....but blaming PCB and Pakistani players for their no participation in 2009 IPL is other thing

 

[MenInG]

Don't bring non cricket issues here.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

It is other thing cricket is not possible now.....but blaming PCB and Pakistani players for their no participation in 2009 IPL is other thing

But it was a deliberate act to Sabotage the IPL from PCB and Pakistan government.
Like in diplomacy, these things have long term repercussions.
What steps have PCB and Pakistan taken to restore normalcy.
They filed an idiotic case, which they lost. The idea of that case was also to do sabotage BCCI and get money out.
All these shenanigans have backfired big time.

 

[naseem]

But it was a deliberate act to Sabotage the IPL from PCB and Pakistan government.
Like in diplomacy, these things have long term repercussions.
What steps have PCB and Pakistan taken to restore normalcy.
They filed an idiotic case, which they lost. The idea of that case was also to do sabotage BCCI and get money out.
All these shenanigans have backfired big time.

PCB is not ministry of External Affairs

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

PCB is not ministry of External Affairs

So PCB or any other board can host or travel to play any team without any approvals from their government??
Can any Pakistan sport team go to Israel?

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Again this rubbish that the PCB refused to give Pakistani players clearance to play in the IPL in 2009, the then PPP government forbade Pakistani players from playing in the IPL and the PCB had no choice but to comply.

Its funny you Indians use the same excuses for the BCCI inability to play against Pakistan citing lack of government approval for all these years but do not grant the same leeway to the PCB back then in 2009

So same way bcci has to comply to Indian government and will of Indian people

 

[naseem]

So PCB or any other board can host or travel to play any team without any approvals from their government??
Can any Pakistan sport team go to Israel?

Israel didn't had bilateral cricket relations in past nor present can't say about future.....Pak football team too don't play in UEFA group....it's ASIA group.....don't know what u want 2 say here

 

[naseem]

So same way bcci has to comply to Indian government and will of Indian people

So Rajpoot's job will depend on will of India's ppl

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

So Rajpoot's job will depend on will of India's ppl

last time i checked you don't travel to countries where your government advises you its not safe. Traveling to pakistan is not part of Rajpoots job.
Has Zimbabwe cricket enforced it. It is between the employer and employee.
I am not sure what world you live in or what job you do, but employers cannot force you go to certain countries. e.g. I refused to travel to Saudi Arabia when my employer in telecom industry asked, and my employer had no issues with that. I don't feel safe there.

Plenty of other countries where he can travel with the team.
I am not sure why you want him in Pakistan?

 

[princeuk]

Ok so this incident happened way back in 2009 so does that mean in 2020 the situation cannot be looked into again or the pak players be picked now? This incident happened way back 11 years ago and is still a thorn in the side of some people? Did rajhastan royals coach way back then say in 2010 they were ready to pick Umar Ukmal as back then he was hot property but in the last minute nothing happened, clearly politics at play behind the scenes because the coach was surprised that Umar wasnt in the squad, everyone knew he was pakistani when they selected his name but last minute he like other pak players discarded.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Ok so this incident happened way back in 2009 so does that mean in 2020 the situation cannot be looked into again or the pak players be picked now? This incident happened way back 11 years ago and is still a thorn in the side of some people? Did rajhastan royals coach way back then say in 2010 they were ready to pick Umar Ukmal as back then he was hot property but in the last minute nothing happened, clearly politics at play behind the scenes because the coach was surprised that Umar wasnt in the squad, everyone knew he was pakistani when they selected his name but last minute he like other pak players discarded.

Of course politics of two countries is in play here. The coach would have been quietly told no players from Pakistan will be allowed. Then they moved on.
The whole world has moved on.
Pakistan has PSL so time for them to move on as well.

 

[naseem]

last time i checked you don't travel to countries where your government advises you its not safe. Traveling to pakistan is not part of Rajpoots job.
Has Zimbabwe cricket enforced it. It is between the employer and employee.
I am not sure what world you live in or what job you do, but employers cannot force you go to certain countries. e.g. I refused to travel to Saudi Arabia when my employer in telecom industry asked, and my employer had no issues with that. I don't feel safe there.

Plenty of other countries where he can travel with the team.
I am not sure why you want him in Pakistan?

He is no Sir Viv Richards or Prince William of UK whom I want here......although both have visited not
Long ago.....that's another issue...
Comparing an international sports body's i.e ICC's FTP and it's obligation to a random telecom company's asking for going to a new zone or
Location or foreign country.... Sorry I can't correlate it buddy...
Anyway I don't think most players and Pakistani badly want a slice of IPL .......yes Lala has his opinion .....he is free to say......but as I said playing more than 2 T20 leagues in a year is not only taxing but can also lead 2 unwanted injuries.....like Starc Sharma and many others had....

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

He is no Sir Viv Richards or Prince William of UK whom I want here......although both have visited not
Long ago.....that's another issue...
Comparing an international sports body's i.e ICC's FTP and it's obligation to a random telecom company's asking for going to a new zone or
Location or foreign country.... Sorry I can't correlate it buddy...
Anyway I don't think most players and Pakistani badly want a slice of IPL .......yes Lala has his opinion .....he is free to say......but as I said playing more than 2 T20 leagues in a year is not only taxing but can also lead 2 unwanted injuries.....like Starc Sharma and many others had....

Case closed then. We don’t need Pakistan players in IPL and Pakistan players don’t need IPL.
Icc FTP is with Zimbabwe board not with rajpoot lol why would he worry about FTP.

 

[naseem]

Case closed then. We don’t need Pakistan players in IPL and Pakistan players don’t need IPL.
Icc FTP is with Zimbabwe board not with rajpoot lol �� why would he worry about FTP.

Rajpoot is a different issue.....and not wanting to have bilateral cricket ia another......yes in both the case India is related.......but blaming PCB for withdrawal of Pak cricketers from 2009 IPL is hilarious.....
Coming to Rajpoot issue......Rajpoot is not a coach of Eng or Aus but Zimbabwe....who normally or hardly tours any premier test playing nation......Touring Pak is an opportunity for many youngsters......but they won't be having coach to guide them .......likewise if Rajpoot somehow becomes Sa Bd or SL coach.....and if they tour Pak then.....the said team will again bear the consequences......

 

[Saj]

The only way Pakistani players will play in the IPL in years to come will be the British citizenship route as Azhar Mahmood did.

A few have British wives, but will they give up their international careers for the sake of British citizenship.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Rajpoot is a different issue.....and not wanting to have bilateral cricket ia another......yes in both the case India is related.......but blaming PCB for withdrawal of Pak cricketers from 2009 IPL is hilarious.....
Coming to Rajpoot issue......Rajpoot is not a coach of Eng or Aus but Zimbabwe....who normally or hardly tours any premier test playing nation......Touring Pak is an opportunity for many youngsters......but they won't be having coach to guide them .......likewise if Rajpoot somehow becomes Sa Bd or SL coach.....and if they tour Pak then.....the said team will again bear the consequences......

Remote working is the future. We have the technology today and I am sure he is still connected with team.
Not that his physical presence is gonna make any difference to their chances.

 

[Thomaskutty]

I don't recall, atleast in the last 5 years, any pakistani international player or coach or board member saying they wanted to play in the IPL or that they were missing out. How can they be included when they don't even bother to ask the BCCI?

 

[naseem]

The only way Pakistani players will play in the IPL in years to come will be the British citizenship route as Azhar Mahmood did.

A few have British wives, but will they give up their international careers for the sake of British citizenship.

Definitely Amir can.....he will have many takers from IPL......I think Malik is past it.....not good enough now....but 5 years back he had a chance.....can't see any other player who would give up their career for IPL.......Imad and Shan are not that popular among
Indian masses

 

[naseem]

Remote working is the future. We have the technology today and I am sure he is still connected with team.
Not that his physical presence is gonna make any difference to their chances.

As if he is the second coming of late Bob Woolmer....
U have been working from home since months..... I guess

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

As if he is the second coming of late Bob Woolmer....
U have been working from home since months..... I guess

i have been working from home since 2006 as I am a Software Engineer.
Atleast 1-2 days a week.
Try to come up with better counter arguments.
I have already laid out the reasons why he is not coming, and why most of the Indian citizens will not travel to Pakistan. Vice versa is also true.
What are you harping on about ?
And for this coaching skills, He has still much better credentials than many coaches. India won 2007 t-20 world cup under him.
Zimbabwe board still considered him good enough to hire and he went through a proper professional selection process, as compared to sitting on the committee to fire the current coach and then getting yourself hired, hardly a professional move.
And it does not matter what credentials he has, he may be the worst possible coach, does not mean he should feel safe and secure about the places where he travels. Human life is beyond these so called credentials and qualifications.

 

[JattMaula]

I don't recall, atleast in the last 5 years, any pakistani international player or coach or board member saying they wanted to play in the IPL or that they were missing out. How can they be included when they don't even bother to ask the BCCI?

Yup. Pakistanis themselves don't want or need IPL. But English do love their sanctimonious **.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So Rajpoot's job will depend on will of India's ppl

Did Zimbabwe board say anything? He is employed by them, not pakistan. So anything that Pakistan says or does has no impact on his employment.

 

[naseem]

i have been working from home since 2006 as I am a Software Engineer.
Atleast 1-2 days a week.
Try to come up with better counter arguments.
I have already laid out the reasons why he is not coming, and why most of the Indian citizens will not travel to Pakistan. Vice versa is also true.
What are you harping on about ?
And for this coaching skills, He has still much better credentials than many coaches. India won 2007 t-20 world cup under him.
Zimbabwe board still considered him good enough to hire and he went through a proper professional selection process, as compared to sitting on the committee to fire the current coach and then getting yourself hired, hardly a professional move.
And it does not matter what credentials he has, he may be the worst possible coach, does not mean he should feel safe and secure about the places where he travels. Human life is beyond these so called credentials and qualifications.

Who is forcing him or dying for him to come here.....and who from Pak is feeling sorry 4 not getting a slice of PSL....NO ONE...

We are throwing light on his limitations ....freedom or the lack of it....

Ofcourse human life is precious and beyond credentials qualifications ......and Zimbabwe
Players will be treated well like PSL foreign
Players ...or the teams that's goona toured soon
And those who have toured.......

Good u r staying home and going out it's easy to being an armchair critic ..than face the situation in field....

 

[iniqbal223]

We love blaming others for our own failings...

Why should ECB do this favor for us, why we can not negotiate and stand firm in ICC.. Why we were not able to develop our players as world class , which can attract crowds from around the world. Truth is, unless we don't improve our cricket at international stage, no body will give a damn about it

 

[pratiktc]

Article is impractical.

Whatever reasons and whosoever started it doesn't matter now. Fact is Pakistan is excluded from IPL and will remain to be so.

It is not end of the world. In any case it wouldn't be more than handful of players who would have been signed up. Long-term skill development and peer learning can happen through PSL/CPL also except financial payoff is far lesser.

Today even SL and Bangladesh combined have just 2 players in IPL despite no sanctions. It is partly because of talent scarcity and also because teams look to add foreign players who have explosive batting skills, fast bowling, all rounders. Given that at best 8x6 (approx 40-50) international players are either first choice picks or first backups, market will always be skewed towards Aus/WI/RSA picks given no scheduling clash and available talent pool.
Eng after white ball revolution and no more NOC issues from ECB also getting guys in now

 

[NishanKonar]

ECB has no leverage with India. They actually need India more for their domestic season & fill in their coffers. East to make all these grandiose statements when you are not actually in charge of ECB's finances

Regarding Pakistan cricket, little chance unless there is actual improvement in political relations

 

[MenInG]

Article draws attention to something BCCI dont want to talk about

 

[Rana]

Reading the comments on this thread, it is sad to see Indian fans not agreeing with the large elephant in the room and that is the discriminatory nature of the Indian cricket league

 

[sharmaji]

I will not go into politics, justice, fairness etc. I just think that not having Pakistan players play in IPL is a loss to IPL, Indian fans and cricket fans in general. I wish that there is a change of hearts at the BCCI and GoI to involve Pak players in IPL. On a side note, I also think that the number of foreign players that can be in playing XI should be raised to 5.

 

[Saj]

Never mind ECB sticking up for Pakistani players in the IPL, PCB should be more concerned that the tour of Pakistan by England in January is hanging in the balance.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Never mind ECB sticking up for Pakistani players in the IPL, PCB should be more concerned that the tour of Pakistan by England in January is hanging in the balance.

Thats a done deal isnt it. A quid pro quo if not anything else.

 

[Saj]

Thats a done deal isnt it. A quid pro quo if not anything else.

Not a done deal.

ECB are still thinking about this tour and there is no guarantee that it will happen.