Embarrassing to see our so called "world-class dangerous pace attack" torn to pieces

[syedahsan]

I think its high time we should stop calling names on Indian bowlers as our's international Phast bowlers are not even in the likes of fast bowlers seen in the Ranjhi trophy.

From great Imran Khan to this mediocre Imran Khan
From great Waqar Younus to this mediocre Wahaab Riaz.

I mean what have we come down to. On Australian pitches our Phast bowlers are being toyed so much so that the test match looks more like one day or to say the least t20 test match. Honestly I do not see them picking half of Australian wickets. Our 42 year old cant bend down enough in time to stop the ball and ends up giving away four. After all this he is still consulting people if he should retire. As per him " I dont want to be toiling around if I am not contributing" well! Hello! does it ring any bell Sir Misbah that you HAVE NOT BEEN scoring. These people have no connect with words and actions. Shame on this attack and now our batting suddenly looks less worst than our bowling.

 

[HussainRx8]

What does this say about Pakistan's bowling reserviors...

When Muhammad Amir (who isn't half the bowler he was since he came back) is still the best bowler we have in our cricket.

 

[Rayyman]

Embarrassing is an understatement.

 

[moghul]

Indian fastmen are far far better than ours now.

 

[Snatch]

Haha whoever said Pakistan's attack were 'world-class'?

Are you serious?

They were completely outclassed in really good swing/seam bowling conditions by a Southee Boult and Wagner, and they aren't even world class.

All that happened is everyone started overrating Pakistan after their flukey win in England when England played terribly. This led people into a false sense of security that Pakistan was actually really good.

I think their last 5 losses in a row, including the West Indies and getting smashed 2-0 by NZ is a more realistic indication of where they are as a side.

It was be 6 losses in a row at the end of this.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Horrible.

All below international standard.

 

[volcyz]

This is truly embarrassing.
They are looking like a bunch of village cricketers.... zero awareness or skill in the field.
Lethargy beyond comprehension.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Indian fastmen are far far better than ours now.

Warner can do this against any attack.

 

[FlickedOffHips]

Watching these bowlers, I am reminded of Ashok Dinda.

 

[syedahsan]

This Imran Khan looks like the retired version of current Great Imran Khan

 

[syedahsan]

I am ashamed to see these bits and pieced bowlers trying to match international standards. Its clear for everyone to see how short they are by international standard. The only people who cant see this are the people who run the PCB

 

[itsme]

Watching these bowlers, I am reminded of Ashok Dinda.

Yeah he is without a doubt indian's best bowler in history.

 

[Vivek_86]

Watching these bowlers, I am reminded of Ashok Dinda.

Oh come on ,he was something else . That headband and run up like Malcolm Marshall reborn and celebration like Cristiano Ronaldo ,he is a superstar . Don't compare with these Pak trundlers.
BTW what is with these Bengali bowlers , Ranadeb Bose also wore a headband and the intimidating run up to bowl 110kph tracer bullets!! Wow classic.

 

[shortbread]

Misbah has lost all confidence in this quicks!

He set an attacking field and Amir and Imran were being taken to the cleaners! Amir bowled down leg and Imran short and wide. You can see Misbah speaking to his bowlers, yes he had one misfield.

This is Sydney and everyone knows its a batting track. So the bowlers need to build pressure by bowling tight. U cant expect the captain to retain an attacking field when the opposition is scoring more than run a ball.

 

[HussainRx8]

Misbah has lost all confidence in this quicks!

He set an attacking field and Amir and Imran were being taken to the cleaners! Amir bowled down leg and Imran short and wide. You can see Misbah speaking to his bowlers, yes he had one misfield.

This is Sydney and everyone knows its a batting track. So the bowlers need to build pressure by bowling tight. U cant expect the captain to retain an attacking field when the opposition is scoring more than run a ball.

Azhar Mahmood should be let go immediately. He doesn't have the experience to be a bowling coach. Maybe a consultant, but not a coach.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Nobody with any good sense would have called this a world class pace attack. It's a decent one but nothing more.

 

[AlphaFighter]

As usual bowlers do well Misbah ul haq gets all the credit. Bowlers do badly, its all the bowlers fault, Misbah cant bowl for them.

 

[Vivek_86]

Still some people think these problems are coz of Misbah , Azhar Mahmood etc and not the bowlers

 

[FlickedOffHips]

I bet Inzi has already called Asif and told him to get fully fit.

 

[LegendAli]

As usual bowlers do well Misbah ul haq gets all the credit. Bowlers do badly, its all the bowlers fault, Misbah cant bowl for them.

Still some people think these problems are coz of Misbah , Azhar Mahmood etc and not the bowlers

Nobody here once said Misbah is the problem, not once.

But you have got to be kidding me if you're going to say Misbah is not part of the problem.

Stop defending the old bloke, Stop it.

 

[Balthazar]

Just checked the score. I am grateful that we have Shami, Umesh, Bhuvi and Bumrah in our pace attack. Our team don't need world class bowlers. Lol

 

[Moh@n]

Overreaction by the OP.

We only have one half decent pacer in Shami.

Yadav does not have a working brain cell. Bhuvneshwar is a glorified trundler and Ishant Teeli Sharma is hopeless.

 

[Square Drive]

Nobody here once said Misbah is the problem, not once.

But you have got to be kidding me if you're going to say Misbah is not part of the problem.

Stop defending the old bloke, Stop it.

If you actually think [MENTION=5942]AlphaFighter[/MENTION] is defending Misbah, you're more clueless than captain Misbah when he takes the field.

 

[Mamoon]

Our bowling has been garbage for years, but we are too deluded, stupid and naive to acknowledge it.

 

[geraltofrivia]

Overreaction by the OP.

We only have one half decent pacer in Shami.

Yadav does not have a working brain cell. Bhuvneshwar is a glorified trundler and Ishant Sharma is hopeless.

Ishant has been ok last couple of years and Bhuvi is killer on tracks with something in them.

 

[LegendAli]

If you actually think [MENTION=5942]AlphaFighter[/MENTION] is defending Misbah, you're more clueless than captain Misbah when he takes the field.

There is nothing captain about Misbah.

 

[azimiqbal]

ITs time for Inzamam to step up and drop all the pace bowlers for the west indies tour!

questions is will he have the guts to do so?

 

[Varun]

Nothing has ever substantiated the supposed fact that Pakistan have the best bowling attack in the world.

Every time I see them, they get nurdled about at best, and belted at worst. I can't recall the last time they won a game for the team, in any format, in any conditions when the batsmen failed. Isn't that what the "most lethal bowling unit in the world" is supposed to do?

Yasir Shah - conditions permitting - is the guy who has being carrying the attack for the last few years. He's gone missing this tour, so it's inevitable that the team suffers as a result.

 

[JaDed]

The token thread by posters after a Warner special.

 

[Itachi]

I think it's just Warner effect. Kinda like sehwag who used to demolished bowlers and the after effect stayed even when he was out.

I won't call this bowling as bad.

 

[Varun]

The token thread by posters after a Warner special.

And what's so great about Warner? He has shown consistently that he can only score when the wicket is a batting paradise. The moment he reaches for his passport, reality sets in.

Also, that chunk of willow he uses should be outlawed.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

And what's so great about Warner? He has shown consistently that he can only score when the wicket is a batting paradise. The moment he reaches for his passport, reality sets in.

Also, that chunk of willow he uses should be outlawed.

The chunk of willow has changed already.

 

[Varun]

The chunk of willow has changed already.

Nothing has changed. It still looks like a tree trunk.

The MCC made some whispers about it and other bats, but that was all.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Nothing has changed. It still looks like a tree trunk.

The MCC made some whispers about it and other bats, but that was all.

I thought after that happened Warner carried a different bat in the next ODI immediately but still scored a 100.

Is he still using the old one?

I doubt it.

No reason for him to.

He can score either way on a flat pitch.

 

[joly]

Indian pacers have been better post 2007 as a unit and post 2011 individually and as a unit, almost 8-10 Kph quicker on average too,so nothing new

 

[PakLFC]

It is only embarrassing for those who said we had any chance in Australia or New Zealand. Our bowling attack is average at best, that's a fact. Amir will never be the same bowler again, it's never the same the second time round.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Imran, Sohail and Rahat should never play for Pakistan ever again. Embarrassing to watch such insipid bowling in Pakistan colors.

 

[arehaan]

So the 3rd bowler in this series has been lottery Rahat Sohail Imran. What was this game of musical chairs

Why drop Sohail Khan if you were not going to play a 2nd spinner. Can't understand the planning. Bowlers are tired clueless and no planning

 

[Indiafan]

Overreaction by the OP.

We only have one half decent pacer in Shami.

Yadav does not have a working brain cell. Bhuvneshwar is a glorified trundler and Ishant Teeli Sharma is hopeless.

A glorified trundler who has 3 5-fer recently and averages 15 this year with overall average is 28? I really do not understand how Indian fans sell BK short all the time. As if even the best bowlers can take 5-fers on green wickets all the time. One of his 5-fer was in WI and one in India, pitches which had a bit of something but definitely not green tracks. Stop selling your own bowlers short when they are winning so many matches for you

 

[Indiafan]

The token thread by posters after a Warner special.

Yes because otherwise the Pak bowlers were on fire in UAE, England and New Zealand. Were you in a coma all this time because such threads were there every series

 

[muqarrab]

Bowlers aside, i am yet to see a bowling plan for any batsman. They are just running it and putting it there, if the bowlers don't have the match awareness to trap bastmen, what are mickey arthur and azhar mehmood doing?

 

[JaDed]

Yes because otherwise the Pak bowlers were on fire in UAE, England and New Zealand. Were you in a coma all this time because such threads were there every series

Let me rephrase what i meant token thread on Pakistani bowling ,this time after Warner special.

That's why i used the term token.

 

[little_junior]

Inzi please drop all the pace attack for test cricket. We need fresh aggressive faces.

 

[leatherface58]

Inzi please drop all the pace attack for test cricket. We need fresh aggressive faces.

Lol these are new faces. Amir is a youngster and Sohail/Imran have played less than 10 tests. Wahab also has < 20 tests under his belt.

Face it. You ain't got none.

 

[Mamoon]

Inzi please drop all the pace attack for test cricket. We need fresh aggressive faces.

The other bowlers in domestic cricket are worse than these guys. There is no talent left in Pakistan cricket, we have been left behind and are heading towards minnow status.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

It is a bit embarrassing indeed as this Australia lineup is featuring a lot of newbies. Only Warner, Smith and Wade have some sort of experience the rest <20 tests in top 6. and they just toyed around with legend in making Amir, Pakistan's Johnson (Riaz) and Warne 2.0 (Yasir).

Or maybe Pakistan bowling lineup wasn't that good to begin with but were overhyped on PP and this is just a reality check?

 

[Shafi]

Inzi please drop all the pace attack for test cricket. We need fresh aggressive faces.

Inzamam needs to be sacked along with Micky and Azhar. Select lots of players with have depth in that format.Nawaz, Rizwan, Asghar selected for unknown reasons. Sohail is half fit and Rabat is useless. Same Rabat has selected in ODI

 

[Square Drive]

The other bowlers in domestic cricket are worse than these guys. There is no talent left in Pakistan cricket, we have been left behind and are heading towards minnow status.

Yes the current bunch is pathetic but how can you just claim that everyone in the domestic circuit is worse?

There will always be talented bowlers coming up.

 

[Idrees1990]

The other bowlers in domestic cricket are worse than these guys. There is no talent left in Pakistan cricket, we have been left behind and are heading towards minnow status.

We have lot of talent. It's just they are not getting chances while wahab, Rahat, Sohail, and Imran Khan are getting chance after chance. Why haven't they tried Tabish, Abbas, Sadaf, Asif etc... At least try them out. They can't do any worse than our current bowling attack.

 

[urnotserious]

Overreaction by the OP.

We only have one half decent pacer in Shami.

Yadav does not have a working brain cell. Bhuvneshwar is a glorified trundler and Ishant Teeli Sharma is hopeless.

India is 14-2 under Kohli in tests, get out of here with your inferiority complex. These pacers have helped Kohli achieve as many wins as Imran Khan(14-7) in fraction the number of games, not to mention Imran's team also lost 7 vs Kohli's 2.

They bowl as a unit and achieve the desired results. India is 4-2 away under Kohli and it includes a tour of Australia.

 

[Drreddymd]

I am lucky to see so many myths like pak is having world class attack,yasir is a better bowler than ashwin and msd is a great finisher and captain disproved so emphatically

 

[Mainul]

I never rated this attack after 2010 drama.Pakistan attack has been overrated since them by many,not me.This is the poorest Pakistani bowling line up i have seen since i have been following them

 

[Mainul]

The other bowlers in domestic cricket are worse than these guys. There is no talent left in Pakistan cricket, we have been left behind and are heading towards minnow status.

Don't think so.It's the poor selection by the worst selectors.

 

[Mainul]

We have lot of talent. It's just they are not getting chances while wahab, Rahat, Sohail, and Imran Khan are getting chance after chance. Why haven't they tried Tabish, Abbas, Sadaf, Asif etc... At least try them out. They can't do any worse than our current bowling attack.

They will do better than the present guys in the team.

 

[GullyCricketFlop]

We have lot of talent. It's just they are not getting chances while wahab, Rahat, Sohail, and Imran Khan are getting chance after chance. Why haven't they tried Tabish, Abbas, Sadaf, Asif etc... At least try them out. They can't do any worse than our current bowling attack.

Exactly!At least try them.Discard them if they are rubbish

 

[Markhor]

Inzamam needs to be sacked along with Micky and Azhar. Select lots of players with have depth in that format.Nawaz, Rizwan, Asghar selected for unknown reasons. Sohail is half fit and Rabat is useless. Same Rabat has selected in ODI

Why blame Arthur who's been in the job for not even a year ? He's been on the road non-stop and hasn't had opportunity to assess the fast bowling stocks.

Legendary fast bowler Waqar has been in charge of this team for 4 out of the last 6 years and showed he has zero eye for talent.

He invested in mediocre pacers like Rahat, Imran and Wahab come what may and refused to test consistent domestic performers like Sadaf, Hamza, Abbas and others. This is his legacy.

 

[Aman]

SA, Australia and England have world class pace attacks, others range from mediocre to average.

 

[static]

Yes the current bunch is pathetic but how can you just claim that everyone in the domestic circuit is worse?

There will always be talented bowlers coming up.

Talent is useless without nurture. There is always talent everywhere in the world, but what is the point if our domestic circuit regresses those talents. We have never had a proper domestic circuit for as long as I have lived and I have no hope anymore. So [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is right, we just don't have players to replace this current lot.

 

[Indiafan]

Exactly!At least try them.Discard them if they are rubbish

Its funny you are talking about giving players chance but want to drop Imran after one match on a really flat wicket. Thats not called giving people chance. Then you will try those new bowlers and discard after one match too? Very few ATG bowlers/batsmen shone in their first match itself

 

[coy0607]

I don't know who was calling this attack "world class" but if their was someone they were obviously wrong, and not just because of this performance alone either

Imran Khan is utterly useless. Wahab is probably only a T20 player now
Even the Amir situation needs to be evaluated. Perhaps he need to spend more time in domestic to find his rhythm

Inzamam needs to share the blame as much as anyone for not having tried anything different with the pace attack at all after multiple disappointments

 

[shariqnoor]

I see a lot of PPers always blame the selectors and coaches whenever a series goes bad. The fact of the matter is that the coaches can't produce Shoaib Akhtar's and Waqar Younis'. Talent is what is missing from Pakistan for a long long time. We neither have the bowlers nor the batsmen coming up from domestic that are capable of meeting the International standards. Just name me one power hitter from our domestic setup that can give you sustained hitting in ODIs or T20s? Like Jos Buttler. In fact even our main batsman don't have the strength or the ability to hit sixes. With such a dire situation, how can you blame Inzamam or the team management for not playing an allrounder ala Abdul Razzaq. There just aren't any available.

As much as it pains me, Rahat, Sohail, Amir, Wahab, Imran are indeed the best we have in Pakistan right now. It's easy to blame the selectors and the coaches that why are we playing these trundlers but these trundlers unfortunately have 0 replacement right now. The guys mentioned like Ehsan, Talha, Sadaf, Mir Hamza are all trundlers themselves. When they will fail to perform, you guys will jump on their backs and berate them. We all saw how pathetic Ehsan and Talha were in international cricket.

You can put as much blame as you want on Waqar, but the guy can't create a bowling attack comprising of Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Saqlain. It's not his fault. In fact we should be appreciative that despite having such a pathetic bowling attack, Waqar and Misbah took this average team and got them to number 1. (Before anyone comes and says Mickey was the coach when we became number 1, we all know the team was Waqar's and Misbah's effort). And now we have seen Mickey can't change our fortunes either. It's not because he's a bad coach, it's simply because we have 0 cricketers in our setup that can take to International cricket like a duck to water.

The only thing that will save our cricket is a strong domestic/grassroot setup. Unless that happens, our cricket will hover at around 8-9 in the rankings in all formats. We should remember that the current lot grew up watching Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Saqlain, Inzamam guys therefore we have sustained our cricket somewhat. The kids in Pakistan right now are seeing the likes of Akmal, Rahat, Imran, Nawaz to emulate. Imagine the skill level they will have in the coming years.

 

[LordJames]

Are there any out and out express (150K+) Bowlers in Domestics who are forcing the Selectors hands? Are there any Mohammad Asif like Magicians putting their hands up?


If not, this is the best Talent Pakistan has got.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Still much much better than Bangladesh though I sense a Bengal draw or victory over NZ in test &#55357;&#56832;

 

[MRSN]

Still some people think these problems are coz of Misbah , Azhar Mahmood etc and not the bowlers

misbah had six years to build a strong team. Always criticized his policy to retain mediocre trundlers..he never had future insight. He was always limited and looked for short term solutions..since Yasir and Ajmal were winning it for him on turning pitches he didn't bother about the likes of IK and Wahab.a clueless captain with zero insight. Should be sacked after this series.

 

[static]

misbah had six years to build a strong team. Always criticized his policy to retain mediocre trundlers..he never had future insight. He was always limited and looked for short term solutions..since Yasir and Ajmal were winning it for him on turning pitches he didn't bother about the likes of IK and Wahab.a clueless captain with zero insight. Should be sacked after this series.

accept the reality that we just don't have bowlers any more. We are finished thanks to this pathetic domestic circuit.

 

[cricwiz]

accept the reality that we just don't have bowlers any more. We are finished thanks to this pathetic domestic circuit.

So this makes Amir, Wahab & co accountability free...

It's not that we have no fast bowlers left apart from them. There are other emerging bowlers such as Mir Hamza, M Abbas etc (have no idea how good they are, but they cannot be bad than how our current lot is performing). Then we have Junaid Khan who is getting back into rhythm - its not easy for a fast bowler to be back at his best after serious knee operation - so whether Juniad Khan can be good as before or not, needs to be seen. Similarly, there have been line length bowlers in Pakistan such as Sadaf Hussain, Ehsan Adil etc who can be also be used in longer format of the game...

These fast bowlers have failed to perform in fast bowling friendly conditions, and need to be shown the door and young talent needs to be brought in.

 

[static]

So this makes Amir, Wahab & co accountability free...

It's not that we have no fast bowlers left apart from them. There are other emerging bowlers such as Mir Hamza, M Abbas etc (have no idea how good they are, but they cannot be bad than how our current lot is performing). Then we have Junaid Khan who is getting back into rhythm - its not easy for a fast bowler to be back at his best after serious knee operation - so whether Juniad Khan can be good as before or not, needs to be seen. Similarly, there have been line length bowlers in Pakistan such as Sadaf Hussain, Ehsan Adil etc who can be also be used in longer format of the game...

These fast bowlers have failed to perform in fast bowling friendly conditions, and need to be shown the door and young talent needs to be brought in.

No, It DOES make amir and co accountable, I'm just stating the mere fact that the bowlers in the domestic circuit are equal if not worse than the current lot. The only solution I see here is to get someone from U19 cricket and fast track him to the national side and groom him there, cause our domestic cricket will make talented players into skill less, mental midgets.

 

[MRSN]

accept the reality that we just don't have bowlers any more. We are finished thanks to this pathetic domestic circuit.

that's okay but tell me how many bowlers he tried?How many different options he tried? Ever since the ban of Ajmal how many off spinners have featured in Pakistan team? Do not tell me there is not good off spinners available.
Misbah never had an insight and importance of bowling attack with different varities. He didn't care as long as it was working for him. on turning pitches the weaknessess of likes of Wahab,Imran were being stopped from exposing by Ajmal and Yasir but we as fans knew that we had a one dimenstional bowling. How come Misbah as a captain couldn't?
We had all fast bowlers pretty much left handed.
We had a leg spinner bowling with old left hand Zulifqar baber who was pretty much bowling the same deliveries.
There was no variations in our bowling.No variety. It was pretty much one dimensional. This is why Misbah's success was heavily built on Yasir Shah performing.
[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] samjhao ise yar.

 

[static]

that's okay but tell me how many bowlers he tried?How many different options he tried? Ever since the ban of Ajmal how many off spinners have featured in Pakistan team? Do not tell me there is not good off spinners available.
Misbah never had an insight and importance of bowling attack with different varities. He didn't care as long as it was working for him. on turning pitches the weaknessess of likes of Wahab,Imran were being stopped from exposing by Ajmal and Yasir but we as fans knew that we had a one dimenstional bowling. How come Misbah as a captain couldn't?
We had all fast bowlers pretty much left handed.
We had a leg spinner bowling with old left hand Zulifqar baber who was pretty much bowling the same deliveries.
There was no variations in our bowling.No variety. It was pretty much one dimensional. This is why Misbah's success was heavily built on Yasir Shah performing.
[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] samjhao ise yar.

Fair enough he didn't try, he was conservative in that regard, he should have tried more. But the result would have been the same. Like i stated above the only solution is fast track from u19 and groom in internationals. Misbah is not a personality which would have been able to do that.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

that's okay but tell me how many bowlers he tried?How many different options he tried? Ever since the ban of Ajmal how many off spinners have featured in Pakistan team? Do not tell me there is not good off spinners available.
Misbah never had an insight and importance of bowling attack with different varities. He didn't care as long as it was working for him. on turning pitches the weaknessess of likes of Wahab,Imran were being stopped from exposing by Ajmal and Yasir but we as fans knew that we had a one dimenstional bowling. How come Misbah as a captain couldn't?
We had all fast bowlers pretty much left handed.
We had a leg spinner bowling with old left hand Zulifqar baber who was pretty much bowling the same deliveries.
There was no variations in our bowling.No variety. It was pretty much one dimensional. This is why Misbah's success was heavily built on Yasir Shah performing.
[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] samjhao ise yar.

Misbah & Waqar's insistence over Rahat is indeed an issue but Selectors and Selection Committee's failure is massive. They should have over ruled but they made compromises for their seats as selectors. Good pay perks etc.

Furthermore PCB could not get good A team tours for places like SA, NZ, AUS & ENG to test our next in line players and few tours they got they failed to give deserving players chance or a decent run if they selected them. Either they ignored some top performers or they selected them for the formats in which they were weak. This shows malafide intension.

 

[MRSN]

Fair enough he didn't try, he was conservative in that regard, he should have tried more. But the result would have been the same. Like i stated above the only solution is fast track from u19 and groom in internationals. Misbah is not a personality which would have been able to do that.

The problem is when you appoint a player captain who is on the wrong side of the 30s as captain he will try more to win than think about future prospects or worry what would happen after few years. Misbah used every player in his team for short term success formula. just look at the number of overs Yasir has bowled since his debut you will know what I'm talking about. Similarly Zulifqar baber despite being similar age to Misbah he was picked in the team until his body gave up. Similarly Imran Khan whose speed was nowhere near to be picked as a specialist fast bowler without any much quality in his bowling. Misbah was never worried about rest of bowling as long as they kept giving him break throughs.

This is what I feel was the problem. We had an insecure player leading our team. When you try different combinations,different players,rebuild team then you know you may defeats in your way. It's part of experiments that you fail. But Misbah never wanted to fail. His life depended on success. Do you know why Misbah and YK didn't let Selectors rest them from Zim series? IT was due to same insecurities. I'm sure you remember Misbah's response to journalists on Zim tour some youngsters failed.

I just hope we don't repeat the mistakes. This period finally comes to end. and we appoint someone captain who truly belongs to the team and can play for a long time.

 

[MRSN]

Misbah & Waqar's insistence over Rahat is indeed an issue but Selectors and Selection Committee's failure is massive. They should have over ruled but they made compromises for their seats as selectors. Good pay perks etc.

Furthermore PCB could not get good A team tours for places like SA, NZ, AUS & ENG to test our next in line players and few tours they got they failed to give deserving players chance or a decent run if they selected them. Either they ignored some top performers or they selected them for the formats in which they were weak. This shows malafide intension.

remind me what happened when selectors wanted to rest YK and Misbah for Zimbabwean tour?

 

[static]

The problem is when you appoint a player captain who is on the wrong side of the 30s as captain he will try more to win than think about future prospects or worry what would happen after few years. Misbah used every player in his team for short term success formula. just look at the number of overs Yasir has bowled since his debut you will know what I'm talking about. Similarly Zulifqar baber despite being similar age to Misbah he was picked in the team until his body gave up. Similarly Imran Khan whose speed was nowhere near to be picked as a specialist fast bowler without any much quality in his bowling. Misbah was never worried about rest of bowling as long as they kept giving him break throughs.

This is what I feel was the problem. We had an insecure player leading our team. When you try different combinations,different players,rebuild team then you know you may defeats in your way. It's part of experiments that you fail. But Misbah never wanted to fail. His life depended on success. Do you know why Misbah and YK didn't let Selectors rest them from Zim series? IT was due to same insecurities. I'm sure you remember Misbah's response to journalists on Zim tour some youngsters failed.

I just hope we don't repeat the mistakes. This period finally comes to end. and we appoint someone captain who truly belongs to the team and can play for a long time.

Why does Misbah and Younis have to take the blame for playing in the Zim series? This should be the selectors fault, the selectors also don't have any vision for the future then why does misbah and younis take the blame for that? I think that's unfair.

Regardless, future planning has always been a problem in this team, and will continue to be a problem, I have no hope for the future. The current candidates for the captaincy does not inspire confidence either.
Azhar is the same, if not worse, than misbah. Sarfraz should just concentrate on getting his keeping up to a better level. Besides these two there is no one else.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

remind me what happened when selectors wanted to rest YK and Misbah for Zimbabwean tour?

Why the selectors did not hang their boots ?

Why they did not say that we don't have authority hence we quit ?

Why they preferred to be puppets incase they compromised on majority picks ?

Because they loved the pay cheque and perks ?


Selectors need to have some national pride and integrity. If they are unable to exercise their powers than they should resign.

 

[in_cutter]

misbah had six years to build a strong team. Always criticized his policy to retain mediocre trundlers..he never had future insight. He was always limited and looked for short term solutions..since Yasir and Ajmal were winning it for him on turning pitches he didn't bother about the likes of IK and Wahab.a clueless captain with zero insight. Should be sacked after this series.

The usual blame Misbah for everything from you. It was not Misbah's job to scout for talent. What are the selectors doing?? Where are the academies?? You also refuse to give credit to Misbah by saying Ajmal & Yasir won matches for him- then same logic can be applied for every other captain?

 

[LordJames]

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I think people have forgotten about this from Wahab!

 

[Mamoon]

Yes the current bunch is pathetic but how can you just claim that everyone in the domestic circuit is worse?

There will always be talented bowlers coming up.

We have lot of talent. It's just they are not getting chances while wahab, Rahat, Sohail, and Imran Khan are getting chance after chance. Why haven't they tried Tabish, Abbas, Sadaf, Asif etc... At least try them out. They can't do any worse than our current bowling attack.

Don't think so.It's the poor selection by the worst selectors.

Talent is useless without nurture. There is always talent everywhere in the world, but what is the point if our domestic circuit regresses those talents. We have never had a proper domestic circuit for as long as I have lived and I have no hope anymore. So [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is right, we just don't have players to replace this current lot.

It is a misconception that there are multiple players in F/C cricket who are ready to improve the team and compete with the best, and that is why I mean when I say that there is no available talent in Pakistan at the moment.

By 'available talent', I mean the players who are playing F/C. You cannot pluck players from the streets because it is a process. You have to nurture, develop and educate players through the ranks.

Pakistan is a cricket mad country with a population of 190 million, with a cricketing heritage that is over 60 years old. Obviously, there will always be talent in Pakistan, but that talent is pointless without proper development.

The gulf between our F/C and international cricket is too big for the players to excel. When a young Pakistani batsman scores a 50 in his second or third match, we do bhangra. In India, you have players who score 300s in third match and young openers who are already scoring big hundreds and registering 150+ scores.

 

[blue_champion]

It is a misconception that there are multiple players in F/C cricket who are ready to improve the team and compete with the best, and that is why I mean when I say that there is no available talent in Pakistan at the moment.

By 'available talent', I mean the players who are playing F/C. You cannot pluck players from the streets because it is a process. You have to nurture, develop and educate players through the ranks.

Pakistan is a cricket mad country with a population of 190 million, with a cricketing heritage that is over 60 years old. Obviously, there will always be talent in Pakistan, but that talent is pointless without proper development.

The gulf between our F/C and international cricket is too big for the players to excel. When a young Pakistani batsman scores a 50 in his second or third match, we do bhangra. In India, you have players who score 300s in third match and young openers who are already scoring big hundreds and registering 150+ scores.

Also the problem is,from what I have seen Young Pakistani batsmen seem to debut in Aus,South Africa and England instead of UAE....so by the time they play at home most times there confidence is gone or they are too insecure as their time is ticking.

Where as Indian youngsters debut at home first and then learn to adapt in foreign conditions.

I was surprised that a full strength Pak team played even in Zimbabwe.

 

[cricwiz]

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I think people have forgotten about this from Wahab!

NOTE: With apologies to any Sardar brethren here. People already know that most jokes are related to Pathan n Sardar bro when being shared. Just copying & pasting the joke here, dont want to offend anyone, but just want to relate this joke to the above pic...

PoLice to Sardar:
"how did u kill 30 people"????
Sardar: "me gaddi tez chala rea si te Jaddon
break lai,,,te breakan fail ho gaian,,
ik paasy 2 bandey te doojey paasy ik barat ja rai c,,
Tussi dasso me kidr marda???"
PoLice: 2 admion ki taraf...thora nuqsaan hota..
Sardar: ksm le lo me n ehi socheya c pr
jaddon me gaddi unhan val mori
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.
.
.
o nas k barat vich war gye

Aint it exactly what Wahab did there

 

[English August]

I never rated this attack after 2010 drama.Pakistan attack has been overrated since them by many,not me.This is the poorest Pakistani bowling line up i have seen since i have been following them

In the 1983-84 tour of India, Pak sent an attack led by Azim Hafeez (Imran Khan Sr. was injured and Sarfaraz Nawaz wasn't available for some reason I don't remember now). To me, that had to be the weakest Pak attack ever. Even Anshuman Gaekwad scored a double hundred (probably the worst opener to play for India)!

But I agree with many here -- seeing Imran Khan Jr. yesterday, I could scarcely believe that this guy is playing for Pakistan. Utterly mediocre. Even the Aussie rookies took him to the cleaners.