'England stars could quit in future if barred from IPL ' : Ashley Giles

[Firebat]

England could lose their best players in the future if they are not allowed to play in the Indian Premier League, says director of cricket Ashley Giles.

England players have been rested for parts of their winter tour of Sri Lanka and India but many are taking part in the IPL, which begins on 9 April.

If players reach the latter stages of the tournament they could also miss Tests against New Zealand in June.

"Right now I think our players love playing for England," Giles said.

Speaking to the BBC's Tuffers and Vaughan show, he added: "I don't want that to be a kiss of death. I think we have to understand that it could be a danger in the future.

"We don't particularly want to go toe-to-toe with our players over IPL participation in the long run because we may face losing some of our best players."

The IPL is the richest Twenty20 league in the world with 11 England players signed by franchises this year including Ben Stokes, Jos Buttler and, fitness permitting, Jofra Archer.

Player availability for the IPL has been a long-debated topic in English cricket but England's approach has been more relaxed in recent years.

That has been credited with helping the success of their white-ball teams, including the 2019 World Cup win, but England players have never missed a Test when it has clashed with the IPL.

Giles said England players had already signed contracts with franchises agreeing to full availability for this year's tournament before the late confirmation of the series against New Zealand came in January.

"That window was clear for anyone who got to the later stages of IPL to play in the whole competition," Giles said.

"That is how their contracts were agreed. We don't think it is right to renege on that agreement."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/56576184

 

[Babbar]

Everyone needs to be rewarded appropriately for their skill and hard work.

 

[Rana]

Archer, Morgan, Currans, Roy, Jordan are not exactly English are they?

 

[Rana]

England cricket being held to ransom by the foreign imports they brought into mount a challenge in white ball cricket.

What a sad state of affairs!

 

[Rana]

Everyone needs to be rewarded appropriately for their skill and hard work.

Yes, unless you are Pakistani

 

[Mamoon]

IPL is now part of the international cricket season. It’s status is now the same as international cricket and it cannot be grouped together with its low-budget, cheap imitations like PSL, BBL, CPL, LPL etc. as “franchise cricket”.

English cricket was slow to realize this but they have finally come to terms with.

Mediocrities, mercenaries and hypocrites like David Lloyd are still sulking but they need to come to terms with it as well.

If they don’t, no one cares. Same goes for the insecure moaning hypocrite Holding. It is a shame that a legendary player like him has been reduced to nothing but a bitter sulker who cannot come to terms with the status of IPL.

He has forgotten his own past when he rebelled against the WICB to play in Kerry Packer’s WSC for money.

The IPL is simply the modern day WSC. It offers a higher standard of cricket than bilateral LOIs and the top players in the world are naturally going to choose IPL over some low-profile international cricket.

 

[Varun]

Pietersen was ahead of his time.

 

[saeed5646]

Future of international cricket looks bleak apart from maybe icc tournament. Cricket is slowly going to football way ..

 

[saeed5646]

IPL is now part of the international cricket season. It’s status is now the same as international cricket and it cannot be grouped together with its low-budget, cheap imitations like PSL, BBL, CPL, LPL etc. as “franchise cricket”.

English cricket was slow to realize this but they have finally come to terms with.

Mediocrities, mercenaries and hypocrites like David Lloyd are still sulking but they need to come to terms with it as well.

If they don’t, no one cares. Same goes for the insecure moaning hypocrite Holding. It is a shame that a legendary player like him has been reduced to nothing but a bitter sulker who cannot come to terms with the status of IPL.

He has forgotten his own past when he rebelled against the WICB to play in Kerry Packer’s WSC for money.

The IPL is simply the modern day WSC. It offers a higher standard of cricket than bilateral LOIs and the top players in the world are naturally going to choose IPL over some low-profile international cricket.

Do you like ipl and would replace with bilaterail cricket(minus icc events) especially of top 4 because both will hardly exist in future.

 

[cricket.mad]

Do you like ipl and would replace with bilaterail cricket(minus icc events) especially of top 4 because both will hardly exist in future.

In a heart beat. A decade down the line, it will be just like football. International breaks for important tournaments and club cricket round the year.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

In a heart beat. A decade down the line, it will be just like football. International breaks for important tournaments and club cricket round the year.

Keep dreaming lol. Not going to happen in cricket. Who will create superstars and performers for International cricket? Once again a failed comparison with a global sport like Football.

 

[rhony]

And people mocked me when I said this could happen. The reason always was "patriotism", "honor" and blah. Now listen to that straight from the horse's mouth.

IPL window has to be honored. If you don't, be prepared to lose your playing squad like SA. Here's my next prediction. IPL window will be increased with double the number of eams in the next decade. 2 groups like NFL or NBA and they will play for 3 to 4 months.

 

[rhony]

Mock me all you want but the best way to nurture future Pakistani talent is to let them play in IPL. There should be enough representation of Pak, BD and SL players in the IPL. It's in the best interest of BCCI to do so. Once that happens, PSL, BPL will be like BBL without any national stars. Win win for BCCI with more viewership and less ad dollars to share.

 

[Babbar]

Cricket is slowly going to football way ..

Aapke Munh mein Ghee shakkar

A World cup every 4 year, Occasional bilaterals between two equal teams with no FIFA/ICC interference. The rest of time, national club league holding sway sway with top international players joining whichever national league pays more and ready to hire them.

Brazil, Germany, Portugal even Nigeria hardly play soccer with India. I hate it but i understand. Their 5-a-side junior girls soccer team will beat Indian national team. Same will be in cricket.

Puritans will not like it but that’s the future. Bright, not bleak.

 

[mastimasti]

Giles is a sensationalist. The ECB can always take back their central contracts if there is a player revolt. Central contracts are very very well paid in terms of international cricket.

 

[Hasan123]

The IPL is not going anywhere, in fact it is going to get bigger with 2 new franchises. We need to adapt our thinking. Top players want to play the IPL, we don’t want to see players quit international cricket during their peak due to not being allowed to play in the IPL. I don’t like players missing international cricket for T20 leagues. Going forward, just allow the IPL to have it’s own window like it does now. England vs NZ tests are not apart of the test championship, tbh there was no need to schedule those tests especially when England are complaining about a heavy schedule. Hopefully Covid clears up and we won’t have an issue with scheduling and stuff.

I do enjoy the IPL as we get to see the best players in the world playing with each other and against each other for 2 months, but don’t want international cricket to suffer because of it.

 

[saeed5646]

And people mocked me when I said this could happen. The reason always was "patriotism", "honor" and blah. Now listen to that straight from the horse's mouth.

Credit to india for creating money bowl ipl and putting cricket fraternity on their knees

If we swap england position with india " patriotism" "honor" and backlash from media and fans would've eaten Indian cricketers alive to not prioritising country first .

 

[Rana]

Giles is a sensationalist. The ECB can always take back their central contracts if there is a player revolt. Central contracts are very very well paid in terms of international cricket.

But ECB depends on brand image as well in order to draw in the big money from sponsors and broadcasters.

How do you pull the central contract of Ben Stokes or Jos Butler and hope to sell your broadcasting rights?

 

[rhony]

Credit to india for creating money bowl ipl and putting cricket fraternity on their knees

If we swap england position with india " patriotism" "honor" and backlash from media and fans would've eaten Indian cricketers alive to not prioritising country first .

Most of the money generated in world cricket is from India. They are just taking advantage of it.

 

[Mamoon]

Do you like ipl and would replace with bilaterail cricket(minus icc events) especially of top 4 because both will hardly exist in future.

That will not happen because there is nothing stopping boards from arranging bilateral series between each other while the IPL is going on.

They will simply pick players who will not be part of the IPL. Also, nothing will change for small teams like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh etc. whose majority players will not get picked in IPL anyway, so they will carry on as usual without any problem.

As far as the big teams are concerned, the IPL does not coincide with their home season and that will not change in the future.

Moreover, if they play their B teams for a couple of low-profile series against small teams during IPL season, it is not really a big deal.

All this talk of cricket going the football way is outlandish and fueled by exaggerations and sensationalism.

 

[Mamoon]

Credit to india for creating money bowl ipl and putting cricket fraternity on their knees

If we swap england position with india " patriotism" "honor" and backlash from media and fans would've eaten Indian cricketers alive to not prioritising country first .

IPL is simply doing what WSC did from 1977 to 1979, i.e. provide competition to international cricket by recruiting the best players in the world.

WSC cricket was the beginning of the end of Test cricket supremacy because it modernized cricket with the colored clothing, day/night matches, field restrictions etc.

Maybe if money hungry players like Imran Khan, Viv Richards, Miandad, Zaheer Abbas, Holding, Marshall, Roberts, Lloyd etc. did not turn their backs on their boards and did not get seduced by Kerry Packer’s $$$, Test cricket would still be the premier format and tv broadcasters would not be influencing the sport so much.

Ironically, a lot of these players now give lectures on how IPL is sabotaging international cricket and how players should show loyalty to their boards.

IPL is modern day WSC, and unlike the latter, it is not going anywhere.

 

[shariqnoor]

The amount of money on offer in IPL dwarfs anything cricketers get for playing in their domestics or for their national team. Cricketers growing up now know that even if they don't represent their country but land a gig at the IPL, they will earn handsome money for themselves.

Also IPL is followed around the globe. Had there been no IPL, would anyone have known about guys like Ishan Kishan, Surya Kumar, Nitish Rana? Nitish Rana would probably never play for India but the guy is a household name and earns massive amounts of money. Why would anyone want to ditch the IPL?

If an inconsequential series clashes with the IPL, 99% of the time people will choose the IPL and probably rightly so. Pakistan has lost so much by not being able to participate. Just mere participation in the IPL would have led to many cricketers here aspiring to play for an IPL team and that consequently would've raised our cricketing profile and skills as well.

 

[Shaka81]

Future of international cricket looks bleak apart from maybe icc tournament. Cricket is slowly going to football way ..

More likely to go the way of baseball where one country has a dominant domestic league and calls it the "World Series". International games will have zero respect amongst fans and cricket will just be seen as that strange sport played in the Indian subcontinent by most of the rest of the world.

 

[Robert]

Archer, Morgan, Currans, Roy, Jordan are not exactly English are they?

So what? All have British passports.

 

[Saj]

There will come a time when most cricketers will put T20 Leagues ahead of international cricket.

At the moment, some do, but in future, the majority will.

 

[Rana]

So what? All have British passports.

Yes they have the right paperwork to work for ECB.

 

[Robert]

Yes they have the right paperwork to work for ECB.

Anyone can play for any country if they have a parent from there, and spend three years qualifying. It just so happens that lots of people round them world have a British parent, and want to
play for England.

 

[HitWicket]

Anyone can play for any country if they have a parent from there, and spend three years qualifying. It just so happens that lots of people round them world have a British parent, and want to
play for England.

Don't even need that, anyone with citizenship (whether that be through parents/grandparents or any other way) or who was born in a country can fly straight in and start playing straight away. It's only England were residence is also required on top of that.

Ollie Rayner was born in Germany whilst one of his parents was deployed there with the military. He's got no other links to the country but has been eligible to play for them simply through that.

 

[CricketCartoons]

So what? All have British passports.

While ECB poaches players from weaker teams, further impoverishing the cricket in those countries, IPL gives financial security to exceptional players from the weaker teams, which helps cricket in those countries. ECB is really evil to take away great players from weak teams and should learn from the IPL how to serve cricket.

 

[CricketCartoons]

IPL has been the best thing to happen to cricket since its invention. There should be more successful T20 leagues, so that players get their dues instead of being chained by their boards. Another mathew sinclair case should never happen , where a great player had to apply for unemployment benefit.

 

[mazkhan]

International cricket will be dead in the future because it is not financially viable or able to attract huge fans following like other sports I'm talking in particular test cricket and the dud format that has become odi cricket.

If Intl cricket is too survive then its via t20 format only , t20 world cup and maybe the t10 type format at Olympics.

The future is t20 and t10 at club level / leagues and maybe a future champions league type format for best local teams around the world .

 

[WengerOut]

Keep dreaming lol. Not going to happen in cricket. Who will create superstars and performers for International cricket? Once again a failed comparison with a global sport like Football.

He was not comparing popularities rather the functioning of sport. Club tournaments will get priority and international cricket will be restricted to friendlies and global tourneys. NFL, NBA and MLB are examples even when the sport they represent are not global as football.

 

[OMB]

There will come a time when most cricketers will put T20 Leagues ahead of international cricket.

At the moment, some do, but in future, the majority will.

I believe that this may already have happened. Except test team players, most others want to land a lucrative T20 deal.

 

[HitWicket]

While ECB poaches players from weaker teams, further impoverishing the cricket in those countries, IPL gives financial security to exceptional players from the weaker teams, which helps cricket in those countries. ECB is really evil to take away great players from weak teams and should learn from the IPL how to serve cricket.

So the ECB should improve by actively discriminating against people based on their place of birth? Got it. Why has no one told the ECB all we need is a bit more racism to solve this.

 

[Tubs]

Top England players get compensated very well, but some of them can earn what they do in a year with the ECB, in a single IPL season. It's crazy.

 

[U$ofA]

There will come a time when most cricketers will put T20 Leagues ahead of international cricket.

At the moment, some do, but in future, the majority will.

Very true. The count of players with a "new" priority is increasing each year.

At the same time I do feel that the unofficial window for the IPL is not sustainable in the longer run. As I look at how things stand, the IPL is only going to get bigger. Already set to run 3+ months from next year due to expansion.

I would say in about 6-8 years time the league will expand further. Which will add more time/length to the tournament.

International cricket cannot sustain/wait for that long a time. Other teams/boards need revenue. So there will be a time when international cricket will have to be played alongside IPL.

 

[zafarsyed]

Something that gets completely overlooked in this conversation is how cricket boards across the globe have been taking advantage of players forever. Without the concept of players union, players have been making only a fraction of the money that they generate. Yes I know boards have the responsibility of investing the money in the game by strengthening first class cricket, but they have prioritized their own pockets instead of putting that money in the right places.

For the first time, thanks to IPL, players have the leverage to stand toe to toe with the board and demand that they work with the players instead of telling them what to do. Loyalty and patriotism are great but at the end of the day, cricket is their livelihood and every player has the right to choose what is best for them and their family just like every single person on this message board.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Giles is a sensationalist. The ECB can always take back their central contracts if there is a player revolt. Central contracts are very very well paid in terms of international cricket.

There are only two tours that are profitable for the ECB. Ashes and the India tour. They are not going to fight the BCCI.

 

[Pakhs]

Nothing new here most people knew this anyway.. why would you let your best players leave and play any other tournament unless you fear they are going to leave for good.

 

[UzmanBeast]

So far no board apart from the BCCI can offer incredibly high salaries, so players are invested in the monetary benefits the IPL brings to them.

If a board could easily dish out $1 million + to its players, that's the only reason players would not play the IPL, given that there would also be a clause in their contracts.

However, since no board is actually capable of paying that much (apart from BCCI), IPL will continue to remain a part of cricket, regardless of the fact that some people do not like it.

IPL, which originally started as a league, has now become a way of life and a crucial part of cricket, and many people need to respect the journey and the content that it brings.

Personally, I find IPL to be extremely entertaining and enjoyable, miles above other leagues though I will take time out to watch PSL, which is the best among the rest in my opinion.

The point is that there's no surprise if players stop playing for their nations and instead focus solely on the IPL. The West Indian players already do that, so it's not really a big deal. Yes, these players would be letting their country down, but at the end of the day, they're people too and need to make money some way or the other.

One thing for most Pakistanis to consider is seeing Mohammad Amir in the IPL. I've heard that he has the documents to play in the league now, so it will be interesting to see what people think about it. Considering that the PCB has a relatively low paycheck compared with other boards, Amir wouldn't even mind playing in the next 5 IPL seasons given that he performs, as he'll make enough money to live a comfortable life.

It's simple economics at the end of the day, these players will look for opportunities to gain mass income.

 

[salahuddin10]

So far no board apart from the BCCI can offer incredibly high salaries, so players are invested in the monetary benefits the IPL brings to them.

If a board could easily dish out $1 million + to its players, that's the only reason players would not play the IPL, given that there would also be a clause in their contracts.

However, since no board is actually capable of paying that much (apart from BCCI), IPL will continue to remain a part of cricket, regardless of the fact that some people do not like it.

IPL, which originally started as a league, has now become a way of life and a crucial part of cricket, and many people need to respect the journey and the content that it brings.

Personally, I find IPL to be extremely entertaining and enjoyable, miles above other leagues though I will take time out to watch PSL, which is the best among the rest in my opinion.

The point is that there's no surprise if players stop playing for their nations and instead focus solely on the IPL. The West Indian players already do that, so it's not really a big deal. Yes, these players would be letting their country down, but at the end of the day, they're people too and need to make money some way or the other.

One thing for most Pakistanis to consider is seeing Mohammad Amir in the IPL. I've heard that he has the documents to play in the league now, so it will be interesting to see what people think about it. Considering that the PCB has a relatively low paycheck compared with other boards, Amir wouldn't even mind playing in the next 5 IPL seasons given that he performs, as he'll make enough money to live a comfortable life.

It's simple economics at the end of the day, these players will look for opportunities to gain mass income.

Ecb does give contracts close to 1 million

 

[burger_uno]

No point in complaining but there will always be players who will choose money over honor. That unfortunately is the way of the world. Nor were things better in the olden days. Some big stars from the 80's had no qualms about accepting dirty apartheid cash. Boycott, Gooch, Hughes and Alderman were happy to fatten their bank accounts at the expense of national glory. This is not to equate South African rebel tours with IPL although come to think of it, comparison may not be farfetched. There is something unseemly about very rich people earning even more money from a country filled with obscene number of poor and destitute people. And no, this is not a "sour grape" comment from Pak supporter. Creators of modern India i.e. Gandhi and Nehru would be perfectly in agreement with my sentiment. And without Gandhi and Nehru, their would be no India or IPL for that matter.

Good thing however is that there will always be people who will operate with a higher purpose. No amount of money would have tempted likes of Imran Khan, Javed Miandad, Steve Waugh or Alan Border to forsake the chance to fight for country honour. On the other hand, characters likes Mohd Amir, Asif or Butt, we know which side they would choose. Nor does Pak lose out by staying out of IPL. Shameful attitude displayed by IPL stars like QDK and Rabada in the recent South African tour was an absolute disgrace. Their performance bought stain on players like Boucher and Steyn who fought like champions when they came to Pak. IPL clearly is having a negative impact on international cricket. Pakistani cricket is better off without star players being subjected to rigours of IPL. In fact if I wanted to punish Pak cricket, I would select players like SSA and Babar and run them into the ground which Indian cricket is doing to its own stars. Foresightedness however has never been the forte of Indian hukkam.

Despite my rant and even though I have never watched an IPL match, I am not an IPL hater per se. International cricket can prosper if IPL is restricted within a four to six week period. Moreover I cannot understand how anyone can tolerate T20 cricket for any longer length of time. But I also dont understand existence of Bollywood either.

Other countries will however suffer if they dont fight back. In places like England and Australia, cricket is competing with other sports in order to attract talent. Potential participants will lose interest if international team performance begins to suffer which is the likely outcome when stars get burnt out/injured due to too much cricket. We can already see the condition of first choice Indian bowling unit. This fate awaits other countries as well if they are not careful.

ICC, being custodian of cricket should step in. But ICC unfortunately is motivated by pure greed and pure greed ultimately results in pure destruction. For the sake of cricket we should hope that better sense prevails.

 

[Saj]

At the same time I do feel that the unofficial window for the IPL is not sustainable in the longer run. As I look at how things stand, the IPL is only going to get bigger. Already set to run 3+ months from next year due to expansion.

Boards around the world will be scared to take on the BCCI for fear of repercussions. Players will go on strike if they aren't allowed to play in tournaments like the IPL.

This is the danger when one Board has so much power and is basically controlling cricket, instead of the governing body controlling the sport.

 

[Titan24]

Very true. The count of players with a "new" priority is increasing each year.

At the same time I do feel that the unofficial window for the IPL is not sustainable in the longer run. As I look at how things stand, the IPL is only going to get bigger. Already set to run 3+ months from next year due to expansion.

Didnt the 2011 IPL edition take place 10 teams? It was finished in around 1.5 months (Took few extra days I guess). So is the IPL from next year going to be triple round robin or will have a long break during mid? As otherwise I am not sure how will it get beyond the 3+ months run that you are mentioning.

 

[IMMY69]

I'm probably alone here but nothing beats country vs country.
It's the one time when you know the player wants to give their all tor the badge.

Even in football, as a diehard Arsenal fan I'm not deluded enough to think players like Auby or Tierney would actually give their heart and soul for the club especially when a bigger contract is on offer. They'll be gone in a heartbeat just like any other player.

So for me, if the future is twenty overs of slap bang wallop, with teams of mercenaries out for the money, then not sure if I'll continue following the sport.

 

[NishanKonar]

No point in complaining but there will always be players who will choose money over honor. That unfortunately is the way of the world. Nor were things better in the olden days. Some big stars from the 80's had no qualms about accepting dirty apartheid cash. Boycott, Gooch, Hughes and Alderman were happy to fatten their bank accounts at the expense of national glory. This is not to equate South African rebel tours with IPL although come to think of it, comparison may not be farfetched. There is something unseemly about very rich people earning even more money from a country filled with obscene number of poor and destitute people. And no, this is not a "sour grape" comment from Pak supporter. Creators of modern India i.e. Gandhi and Nehru would be perfectly in agreement with my sentiment. And without Gandhi and Nehru, their would be no India or IPL for that matter.

Good thing however is that there will always be people who will operate with a higher purpose. No amount of money would have tempted likes of Imran Khan, Javed Miandad, Steve Waugh or Alan Border to forsake the chance to fight for country honour. On the other hand, characters likes Mohd Amir, Asif or Butt, we know which side they would choose. Nor does Pak lose out by staying out of IPL. Shameful attitude displayed by IPL stars like QDK and Rabada in the recent South African tour was an absolute disgrace. Their performance bought stain on players like Boucher and Steyn who fought like champions when they came to Pak. IPL clearly is having a negative impact on international cricket. Pakistani cricket is better off without star players being subjected to rigours of IPL. In fact if I wanted to punish Pak cricket, I would select players like SSA and Babar and run them into the ground which Indian cricket is doing to its own stars. Foresightedness however has never been the forte of Indian hukkam.

Despite my rant and even though I have never watched an IPL match, I am not an IPL hater per se. International cricket can prosper if IPL is restricted within a four to six week period. Moreover I cannot understand how anyone can tolerate T20 cricket for any longer length of time. But I also dont understand existence of Bollywood either.

Other countries will however suffer if they dont fight back. In places like England and Australia, cricket is competing with other sports in order to attract talent. Potential participants will lose interest if international team performance begins to suffer which is the likely outcome when stars get burnt out/injured due to too much cricket. We can already see the condition of first choice Indian bowling unit. This fate awaits other countries as well if they are not careful.

ICC, being custodian of cricket should step in. But ICC unfortunately is motivated by pure greed and pure greed ultimately results in pure destruction. For the sake of cricket we should hope that better sense prevails.

Just for your kind info - Imran Khan & Javed Miandad actually left National team for Kerry Packer's WSC. They chose money over national glory !

 

[burger_uno]

Packer was means to an end. The aim was to get rights to Australian cricket and not to create a permanent structure independent of international cricket. Competition itself was structured on teams representing international countries. Also before Packer, boards especially MCC, enjoyed too much power and player fightback was for the good of the game. Due to Packer, professionalism in cricket increased by leaps and bounds. Competition introduced innovation which drove popularity of the game at a time when cricket would face competition with other forms of entertainment. Packer circus ended when respective parties got what they wanted.

Boards like ECB and ACB earn a significant amount of money from gate revenue from international cricket as well as money from broadcasting rights. Revenue will suffer if they put up a substandard product. Connection with India is that these boards get significant amount of revenue from TV rights of Indian series. But if international cricket suffers, value of these rights will go down. International boards done get money from IPL TV contract.

 

[NishanKonar]

The point is all these legends like Imran Khan, Zaheer Abbas , Denis Lilee, Greg Chappel , Viv Richards & Michael Holding chose money over nation when they had to make the choice . Its very hypocritical to see guys like Holding rant about IPL today

Dont blame them. They just made the best choice for themselves. Only thing lets stop this nonsense that all these past legends wud have chosen nation over IPL when they clearly did not when they had the choice

Respect to Bishen Bedi. He refused Kerry Packer when he was in his prime. Today when he speaks against IPL - he is only following the example he set

 

[UzmanBeast]

Ecb does give contracts close to 1 million

Close, but IPL turnouts are significantly higher if the players perform well.

 

[rhony]

The point is all these legends like Imran Khan, Zaheer Abbas , Denis Lilee, Greg Chappel , Viv Richards & Michael Holding chose money over nation when they had to make the choice . Its very hypocritical to see guys like Holding rant about IPL today

Dont blame them. They just made the best choice for themselves. Only thing lets stop this nonsense that all these past legends wud have chosen nation over IPL when they clearly did not when they had the choice

Respect to Bishen Bedi. He refused Kerry Packer when he was in his prime. Today when he speaks against IPL - he is only following the example he set

He is a bitter old man that complains about everything and thinks he was better than sliced bread and no one else is better than him. Ignore that oldie.

The honor etc is just hogwash. One big injury and you are dumped out of the national team. Loss in form, you are out. A better player than you comes up, you are out. Selection is not charity and there are no guarantees.

Players have to look out for themselves. Earn as much as they can while they are at their peak. Second, be part of one of the biggest tournaments of the year and learn as much as they can. Nobody has a right to deny that.

 

[U$ofA]

Didnt the 2011 IPL edition take place 10 teams? It was finished in around 1.5 months (Took few extra days I guess). So is the IPL from next year going to be triple round robin or will have a long break during mid? As otherwise I am not sure how will it get beyond the 3+ months run that you are mentioning.

Well, I guess not quite 3+ but 3 months. Currently it is 2 months. It would add 2-3 weeks to that starting next year.

Also, what if there is another expansion down the road. The Indian market certainly has the room for more than 10 teams. Now you are talking about some serious chunk of time on the calendar year.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Very true. The count of players with a "new" priority is increasing each year.

At the same time I do feel that the unofficial window for the IPL is not sustainable in the longer run. As I look at how things stand, the IPL is only going to get bigger. Already set to run 3+ months from next year due to expansion.

I would say in about 6-8 years time the league will expand further. Which will add more time/length to the tournament.

International cricket cannot sustain/wait for that long a time. Other teams/boards need revenue. So there will be a time when international cricket will have to be played alongside IPL.

Who told you IPL win run for 3 plus months?

IPL has a official 2 months window.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Well, I guess not quite 3+ but 3 months. Currently it is 2 months. It would add 2-3 weeks to that starting next year.

Also, what if there is another expansion down the road. The Indian market certainly has the room for more than 10 teams. Now you are talking about some serious chunk of time on the calendar year.

Who told you that IPL would add 2-3 weeks? Whats the basis of this claim?

 

[Gilly]

The point is all these legends like Imran Khan, Zaheer Abbas , Denis Lilee, Greg Chappel , Viv Richards & Michael Holding chose money over nation when they had to make the choice . Its very hypocritical to see guys like Holding rant about IPL today

Dont blame them. They just made the best choice for themselves. Only thing lets stop this nonsense that all these past legends wud have chosen nation over IPL when they clearly did not when they had the choice

Respect to Bishen Bedi. He refused Kerry Packer when he was in his prime. Today when he speaks against IPL - he is only following the example he set

This is not even close to the truth, players did not pick money over country, they chose to force the cricket boards to share the money that these players were making for the boards. At that time the boards were making a lot of money and the players were not getting a fair share.

 

[Thomaskutty]

Who told you IPL win run for 3 plus months?

IPL has a official 2 months window.

Would you oppose it if the BCCI next year announces an expansion of IPL beyond the current two months with the addition of more than 10 teams ? It would eat into the international calendar.

 

[Thomaskutty]

This is not even close to the truth, players did not pick money over country, they chose to force the cricket boards to share the money that these players were making for the boards. At that time the boards were making a lot of money and the players were not getting a fair share.

If Packer hadn't decided to negotiate with the ACB, the WSC would still be in existence today.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

IPL has been the best thing to happen to cricket since its invention. There should be more successful T20 leagues, so that players get their dues instead of being chained by their boards. Another mathew sinclair case should never happen , where a great player had to apply for unemployment benefit.

Chris Drumm - NZ remember him? I think he opted out of intl cricket to go into the travel agency business....so sad to see guys give up on their dream. Am just thinking of 1000's of such guys who might have given up their dreams and pursue mundane run of the mill occupations, but for the t 20 leagues which changed so many guys lives....what say

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

End of the day IPL, other leagues are here to stay. Money is for real and pays for most things in life. I guess just find a window and move on and stop the needless chestthumping burn....its not that test cricket is suffering or being sidenlined, on the contrary the quality of cricket in the ind vs aus series or bd vs wi or pak vs saf was of the highest quality and exciting to watch....

 

[the Great Khan]

i think its very very sad..people dont realise the dire situation cricket is in, in other countries. What they also dont understand is what India is actually doing to the game whether intentionally or not. In the uk cricket is essentially a rich white mans sport. People who have the flair and desire for it either cnt afford it over time or get drummed out at some point. Hence why you see players like Jofra get fast tracked.

I can see a time when there will only be three teams playing the game regualrly while everyone else plays leagues. And we will see the same teams in the finals and the ICC tournies all played in the big three..nobody else will get a look in.

Ultimately people need to understand one thing and that is India only care about Indian cricket. End of. Their fans want to see India and Indians winning. If they are the only team in the world playing the fans will flock to see them. If cricket dies elsewhere and stays on in India so be it.

This is why the IPL window should be done away with. Its the only reason the IPL is so strong. International cricket should be preserved because it creates the stars that give the leagues their star power. I also think we need a strong Pakistan sri lanka south africa and NZ otherwise all of these countries cricket will die.

Those on here who think it will be like football need to understand the history of football vs cricket. Alot say the IPL is watched all over the world..sure, by Indians. I would wager to say non Indians dont watch it as much. I cant really feel passionate about Mumbai vs Delhi as i am not from either city. Its not the same as watching Leicester city vs leeds for example. You can pretend and then come on forums and pretend youre passionate but deep down its not the same.

Finally to summarise, ultimately it is to the detriment of the world game that a bunch of narrow minded money makers have essentially hijacked the game that should by now be a more international game played by more countries not just three. It is a model that is unsustainable unless you are an Indian.

 

[Mamoon]

No amount of money would have tempted likes of Imran Khan, Javed Miandad, Steve Waugh or Alan Border to forsake the chance to fight for country honour.

Everyone has a price. The price varies from person to person, but no one is above monetary temptation.

If IPL existed back then and offered the money it is offering today, a lot of the so-called non-greedy players would be tempted as well. However, why talk about facts when we can sell good a fictional story to sell our biases.

Moreover, your justification for why these players deserted their respective boards to play for Kerry Packer is laughable to say the least.

You are using hindsight and the legacy of WSC and its positive impact on international cricket to justify the players deserting their boards at the time.

However, at that point, it was not about the bigger picture and what the legacy of WSC would be; it was simply an opportunity for players to make $$$ and thus they had no qualms in ditching their boards, something the well-renowned hypocrite Holding has acknowledged on numerous occasions.

In fact if I wanted to punish Pak cricket, I would select players like SSA and Babar and run them into the ground which Indian cricket is doing to its own stars. Foresightedness however has never been the forte of Indian hukkam.

I don’t think BCCI needs lectures from Pakistani fans on player management. They are doing just fine.

In spite of “running Indian players into the ground” and showing “lack of foresightedness”, the Indian team over the last 5-6 years have achieved more in Test cricket than any Asian team in history.

- longest reign at the top of the rankings for an Asian team in history

- longest reign at the top of the rankings among all teams in the 2010-20 decade

- 36 Test wins as counting for Kohli, 22 more than Imran.

- two Test series wins in Australia: every other Asian team has a big fat 0 in the column of Test series wins in Australia.

One of those wins was with their reserve team against an Australian attack that ranks among their greatest bowling units ever.

The achievements of all Asian teams of the past pale in comparison with the above.

The last time Pakistan did not lose a Test match in Australia, Miandad was still playing ODI cricket.

I would love to see Pakistani players “punished” like this if it would result in Pakistani players developing half the talent, skill and mentality of Indian players.

 

[salahuddin10]

Ipl definitely deserves a window.But i do think that it shouldnt me more than 2 months.2 months of ipl is good for the cricket world.In these 2 months players can earn dollars which can allow them to play for their countries despite being underpaid for next few months

 

[loves_cricket]

IPL is there for over 10 years and international cricket is still alive and flying high.
Only due to Corona epidemic there are some issues currently and lake of spectators is not helping the cause.
Test cricket unfortunately lasts full 5 days and young generation do not have that much love for it.

 

[burger_uno]

Everyone has a price. The price varies from person to person, but no one is above monetary temptation.

If IPL existed back then and offered the money it is offering today, a lot of the so-called non-greedy players would be tempted as well. However, why talk about facts when we can sell good a fictional story to sell our biases.

Moreover, your justification for why these players deserted their respective boards to play for Kerry Packer is laughable to say the least.

You are using hindsight and the legacy of WSC and its positive impact on international cricket to justify the players deserting their boards at the time.

However, at that point, it was not about the bigger picture and what the legacy of WSC would be; it was simply an opportunity for players to make $$$ and thus they had no qualms in ditching their boards, something the well-renowned hypocrite Holding has acknowledged on numerous occasions.



I don’t think BCCI needs lectures from Pakistani fans on player management. They are doing just fine.

In spite of “running Indian players into the ground” and showing “lack of foresightedness”, the Indian team over the last 5-6 years have achieved more in Test cricket than any Asian team in history.

- longest reign at the top of the rankings for an Asian team in history

- longest reign at the top of the rankings among all teams in the 2010-20 decade

- 36 Test wins as counting for Kohli, 22 more than Imran.

- two Test series wins in Australia: every other Asian team has a big fat 0 in the column of Test series wins in Australia.

One of those wins was with their reserve team against an Australian attack that ranks among their greatest bowling units ever.

The achievements of all Asian teams of the past pale in comparison with the above.

The last time Pakistan did not lose a Test match in Australia, Miandad was still playing ODI cricket.

I would love to see Pakistani players “punished” like this if it would result in Pakistani players developing half the talent, skill and mentality of Indian players.

I dont think Imran Khan knew that awards would be handed out for "best domestic Asian side trophy" more than 25 years after he had retired. Otherwise he would have changed his focus from beating India in India or winning the world cup or being competitive against one of the greatest sides ever to play the game. He probably has a sense of regret now that he could not be a part of great Indian team of today because his skills would not match up against the likes of Jadeja or Hardik Pandaya.

Furthermore I am sure Imran khan misses the experience of being drubbed by great sides like NZ, SA and England. Losing to great teams would have contributed to his legacy much more than actually beating sides like England away or drawing against the weakling WI side of 1988.

And for for Pak cricket, instead of emulating the great Aussie sides of the past, model should be India which has gone 8 and 26 against top opposition (SA, Aus, NZ, England) away since the start of last decade. This formidable record trumps anything achieved by Australia. Sure India has better than PAK but not playing at home or losing two of its best players has anything to do with Pakistan's fortune. If only Pak had legacy as great as that of India.

 

[Last Monetarist]

 

[AMSS]

Who told you that IPL would add 2-3 weeks? Whats the basis of this claim?

With 8 teams, the current IPL takes 7 weeks and 3 days to finish 63 matches.

2 additional teams from next season means 30 additional matches. IPL has 9 matches a week so the league would take an additional 3 weeks at the minimum. A little over 2 and half months long.

 

[MP2011]

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Well said by Stokes. In India test series, he bowled heroically despite not being fully fit.

It's laughable to cast aspersions on his integrity.

 

[Hasan123]

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Stokes is right.

 

[Titan24]

Well, I guess not quite 3+ but 3 months. Currently it is 2 months. It would add 2-3 weeks to that starting next year.

Also, what if there is another expansion down the road. The Indian market certainly has the room for more than 10 teams. Now you are talking about some serious chunk of time on the calendar year.

With 8 teams, the current IPL takes 7 weeks and 3 days to finish 63 matches.

2 additional teams from next season means 30 additional matches. IPL has 9 matches a week so the league would take an additional 3 weeks at the minimum. A little over 2 and half months long.

As I mentioned that the 2011 edition was also played with 10 teams and the total number of days remained the same around average of standard 1 month and 20 days (Based upon internet search of some previous editions). While I dont know how BCCI would schedule it but, if we take the 2011 edition as an example there are obviously going to be more matches per week to adjust for more matches in the league as a whole in comparison to an 8 team tournament.

 

[IMMY69]

i think its very very sad..people dont realise the dire situation cricket is in, in other countries. What they also dont understand is what India is actually doing to the game whether intentionally or not. In the uk cricket is essentially a rich white mans sport. People who have the flair and desire for it either cnt afford it over time or get drummed out at some point. Hence why you see players like Jofra get fast tracked.

I can see a time when there will only be three teams playing the game regualrly while everyone else plays leagues. And we will see the same teams in the finals and the ICC tournies all played in the big three..nobody else will get a look in.

Ultimately people need to understand one thing and that is India only care about Indian cricket. End of. Their fans want to see India and Indians winning. If they are the only team in the world playing the fans will flock to see them. If cricket dies elsewhere and stays on in India so be it.

This is why the IPL window should be done away with. Its the only reason the IPL is so strong. International cricket should be preserved because it creates the stars that give the leagues their star power. I also think we need a strong Pakistan sri lanka south africa and NZ otherwise all of these countries cricket will die.

Those on here who think it will be like football need to understand the history of football vs cricket. Alot say the IPL is watched all over the world..sure, by Indians. I would wager to say non Indians dont watch it as much. I cant really feel passionate about Mumbai vs Delhi as i am not from either city. Its not the same as watching Leicester city vs leeds for example. You can pretend and then come on forums and pretend youre passionate but deep down its not the same.

Finally to summarise, ultimately it is to the detriment of the world game that a bunch of narrow minded money makers have essentially hijacked the game that should by now be a more international game played by more countries not just three. It is a model that is unsustainable unless you are an Indian.

If only one vote was needed then yours would be the post of the month!

No one, bar a few, want to address the elephant in the room.

 

[AMSS]

As I mentioned that the 2011 edition was also played with 10 teams and the total number of days remained the same around average of standard 1 month and 20 days (Based upon internet search of some previous editions). While I dont know how BCCI would schedule it but, if we take the 2011 edition as an example there are obviously going to be more matches per week to adjust for more matches in the league as a whole in comparison to an 8 team tournament.

The 2011 edition had a group structure so the total matches played in the season was 74. Only 11 more than what you get with 8 teams.

If they had a proper league structure, then the number of matches would go up to 93. There wouldn't be anymore than 9 matches a week, and it's unlikely BCCI/Broadcasters would revert to that 2011 group structure either.

So it'd be well over 10 weeks.

 

[Titan24]

The 2011 edition had a group structure so the total matches played in the season was 74. Only 11 more than what you get with 8 teams.

If they had a proper league structure, then the number of matches would go up to 93. There wouldn't be anymore than 9 matches a week, and it's unlikely BCCI/Broadcasters would revert to that 2011 group structure either.

So it'd be well over 10 weeks.

Thanks for the clarity as I wasnt aware that 2011 edition was in group format. Still if we take the season with 9 teams as reference where 76 matches were played increasing the overall tournament length by just around 2-3 days in comparison to the general average, I would be really surprised if it goes over 10 weeks. There will obviously be more double headers to keep the duration around or even inside 8 weeks/ 2 months. However, it just my estimation based upon the past data and past scheduling information available, obviously things can vary a lot but, one would think it will be pretty natural to have more matches in a week.

 

[cricketjoshila]

With 8 teams, the current IPL takes 7 weeks and 3 days to finish 63 matches.

2 additional teams from next season means 30 additional matches. IPL has 9 matches a week so the league would take an additional 3 weeks at the minimum. A little over 2 and half months long.

IPL 2011 was played with 10 teams and there were 74 matches.

 

[U$ofA]

IPL 2011 was played with 10 teams and there were 74 matches.

Please read post #70 by [MENTION=143730]AMSS[/MENTION]. The format was different. Which is why it did not take long. In a league setup it will take close to 3 months.

 

[Mamoon]

I dont think Imran Khan knew that awards would be handed out for "best domestic Asian side trophy" more than 25 years after he had retired. Otherwise he would have changed his focus from beating India in India or winning the world cup or being competitive against one of the greatest sides ever to play the game. He probably has a sense of regret now that he could not be a part of great Indian team of today because his skills would not match up against the likes of Jadeja or Hardik Pandaya.

Furthermore I am sure Imran khan misses the experience of being drubbed by great sides like NZ, SA and England. Losing to great teams would have contributed to his legacy much more than actually beating sides like England away or drawing against the weakling WI side of 1988.

And for for Pak cricket, instead of emulating the great Aussie sides of the past, model should be India which has gone 8 and 26 against top opposition (SA, Aus, NZ, England) away since the start of last decade. This formidable record trumps anything achieved by Australia. Sure India has better than PAK but not playing at home or losing two of its best players has anything to do with Pakistan's fortune. If only Pak had legacy as great as that of India.

We all know how Imran “won” the World Cup. The group match against England should ring a bell. Moreover, he may have missed the experience of being drubbed by great sides, but he certainly didn’t miss the experience of getting drubbed by a minnow.

Losing a Test in Sri Lanka in 1985, the minnows of the decade who only won 2 Tests in the entire decade, was probably the major reason why Imran didn’t like to play minnows afterwards. Looks like not ball tampering was done in that series. Maybe he ran out of bottle-caps.

Sure, India is far ahead of Pakistan simply because Pakistan didn’t play at home for 10 years and lost Asif and Amir. I agree that is the reason......in a parallel universe.

 

[Ab Fan]

IPL is the modern day WSC version of T20s.

 

[OMB]

Please read post #70 by [MENTION=143730]AMSS[/MENTION]. The format was different. Which is why it did not take long. In a league setup it will take close to 3 months.

That is handled by dual matches on a day. This has been done previously too.

 

[AMSS]

That is handled by dual matches on a day. This has been done previously too.

When broadcasters are paying you billions of USD for rights, they aren't going to ''handle it'' by showing 2 matches a day. Get real.

 

[Robert]

I dont think Imran Khan knew that awards would be handed out for "best domestic Asian side trophy" more than 25 years after he had retired. Otherwise he would have changed his focus from beating India in India or winning the world cup or being competitive against one of the greatest sides ever to play the game. He probably has a sense of regret now that he could not be a part of great Indian team of today because his skills would not match up against the likes of Jadeja or Hardik Pandaya.

Furthermore I am sure Imran khan misses the experience of being drubbed by great sides like NZ, SA and England. Losing to great teams would have contributed to his legacy much more than actually beating sides like England away or drawing against the weakling WI side of 1988.

And for for Pak cricket, instead of emulating the great Aussie sides of the past, model should be India which has gone 8 and 26 against top opposition (SA, Aus, NZ, England) away since the start of last decade. This formidable record trumps anything achieved by Australia. Sure India has better than PAK but not playing at home or losing two of its best players has anything to do with Pakistan's fortune. If only Pak had legacy as great as that of India.

Agreed, Imran’s side was the best to come from Asia. The current Indians cannot play the swinging ball.

Greenwich, Haynes, Richardson, Richards, Logie, Dujon, Marshall, Walsh and Ambrose were very strong. Imran’s side performed brilliantly to hold them.

 

[MenInG]

Michael Vaughan gave his opinion on the English players preferring the Indian Premier League over the national team duties. Vaughan, who is very vocal about views, said that ECB should say goodbye to the youngsters who are choosing franchise cricket over the England team.

Recently, ECB director of cricket Ashley Giles said that the board does not want to go ‘toe-to-toe’ with players over the IPL as they might lose some of their best players in the future as the consequences of that.

Vaughan feels that England are being paranoid for thinking in a negative way and claims Giles sent a wrong message with his choice of words.

“England are being paranoid if they think their players will turn down a central contract to play in the IPL. Ashley Giles told my show on the BBC this week that England do not want to go ‘toe-to-toe’ with players over the IPL because in the long run ‘we may face losing some of our best players,” Vaughan wrote in his column for The Telegraph.

“I think that is a wrong message to be sending. If an England player came to me aged 26 or 27 and said he was choosing the IPL and franchise cricket over an England deal my response would be simple, ‘Go on then, see you later, goodbye, but I tell you what, I bet you come knocking back on my door in a year or two’s time’,” he added.

The former England captain suggested that the board should offer two or three-year central contracts to their key players like Jofra Archer and Ben Stokes to tye them down.

“If England really want to make sure it does not happen then why not offer their best players two or three-year central contracts? High-level sport is about looking after the best individuals so give Ben Stokes or Jofra Archer more than a one-year contract. That way you are tying them down. Instead, they have 12-month deals,” Vaughan stated.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...ricket-can-say-goodbye-michael-vaughan-976161

 

[U$ofA]

That is handled by dual matches on a day. This has been done previously too.

Double headers are only on the weekend. Not on weeknights. So in a league setup it will add 2-3 weeks to the current 2 months.

$2.6 Billion is not being paid to rush things through so international series can resume.