England vs India | 1st Test | Headingley | June 20-24 | Match Discussion

[jeeteshssaxena]

@mominsaigol will now invent new excuses to counter it.

Pant is the greatest test cricketer in the world, you haven’t been around this forum for long, you can see the thread @London_Lahori created for Pant in test, he and @Bhaag Viru Bhaag got smacked on their head too many times there, I have been supporting Pant since day one and you are not a good reader of the game if you think Pant isn’t a revolutionary talent.
On that thread alone we were able to identify who actually understands the game.

You definitely need 3-4 years more to actually become a proper cricket fan.

Pant is the blue eyed boy of Indian cricket and he will retire as a GOAT Wk batsman alongside Gilchrist in test cricket.

 

[jnaveen1980]

In England conditions, he was a legend

Why was he complaining about flat pitches against Australia? This is a flat pitch.

https://www.indiatvnews.com/sports/cricket-one-big-circle-of-excuses-michael-vaughan-slams-james-anderson-for-complaining-about-pitches-549019

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Why was he complaining about flat pitches against Australia? This is a flat pitch.

Overcast conditions can favor any half decent seamer...and just imagine Anderson there...By the way forecast conditions predicted on weekend so a big opportunity for Bumrah on this flat deck.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Overcast conditions can favor any half decent seamer...and just imagine Anderson there...By the way forecast conditions predicted on weekend so a big opportunity for Bumrah on this flat deck.

BUmrah is a better bowler in flat conditions than overcast conditions.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

BUmrah is a better bowler in flat conditions than overcast conditions.

Then I just pray that he gets to bowl England on this flat deck under scorching sun

 

[jnaveen1980]

Then I just pray that he gets to bowl England on this flat deck under scorching sun

You are literally finding excuses on behalf of England. They blew away NZ in NZ with this attack. Guess who was the highest wicket taker. Brydon Carse 17 wickets in 3 tests at 17 avge. Nobody else came remotely close to him.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

You are literally finding excuses on behalf of England. They blew away NZ in NZ with this attack. Guess who was the highest wicket taker. Brydon Carse 17 wickets in 3 tests at 17 avge. Nobody else came remotely close to him.

England have been rubbish today...They don't even bowl at right lengths...agree on that...They are overly reliant on their batting

 

[jnaveen1980]

England have been rubbish today...They don't even bowl at right lengths...agree on that...They are overly reliant on their batting

That is an excuse you can use for all poor performance when you want to put down a good performance. Stokes was outstanding today. So was Carse.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

That is an excuse you can use for all poor performance when you want to put down a good performance. Stokes was outstanding today. So was Carse.

Carse was just spraying the bowling in the last overs and too many shorts make him predictable for Pant

 

[jnaveen1980]

Carse was just spraying the bowling in the last overs and too many shorts make him predictable for Pant

Not really. He was hitting the deck hard. Beat the batsmen often enough. These are good players agianst short balls. So their tactics didn't work.Lesser batsmen would have succumbed. They are just bowling to better batsmen. Not the washed up Kohli, Rohit sharma. IN the sma ematch Rahul failed to make an impact

 

[jnaveen1980]

The thing is everyone was waiting for new Indian team wilting in England. When that didn't happen they are finding excuses. We don't have much expectations. But they have done well. So i will give credit to them instead of finding excuses.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Not really. He was hitting the deck hard. Beat the batsmen often enough. These are good players agianst short balls. So their tactics didn't work.Lesser batsmen would have succumbed. They are just bowling to better batsmen. Not the washed up Kohli, Rohit sharma. IN the sma ematch Rahul failed to make an impact

The biggest weakness of Indian batters is good length inswingers with full attacking field and slips...Bowling at 4th to 5th stump can do the job for England...simple nicks and gone

Aka Boland tactics

 

[jnaveen1980]

The biggest weakness of Indian batters is good length inswingers with full attacking field and slips...Bowling at 4th to 5th stump can do the job for England...simple nicks and gone

Aka Boland tactics

India had a messed up batting order in Australia. Even with that but for stupid pant's shot and Bumrah's injury India could have potentially won the series. But these 2 deadwoods Rohit and Kohli ruined us. Had they played i guarantee India would have been 5 down

 

[sweep_shot]

India also dominated first Test in BGT. After that, they lost 3 Tests and lost the series 1-3. So, Indian fans shouldn't do bhangra yet.

I think England shouldn't dish out flat pitches. It helps Indians.

 

[charlie007]

No man! Jaiswal is not at all a fraud. He’s a legit batter. In fact, he will churn out more runs in Tests than Gill when it’s all said and done. You’ll see.

100 for Gill. Tue true heir. I kept telling indian posters frauds that jaoswal was a fraud. But nahi, Rona per rona

 

[charlie007]

India also dominated first Test in BGT. After that, they lost 3 Tests and lost the series 1-3. So, Indian fans shouldn't do bhangra yet.

I think England shouldn't dish out flat pitches. It helps Indians.

Their bazball won’t work if the pitches are not flat. Did you forget the royal spanking they gave Pakistan playing Bazball when the wickets were flat in the Pakistan tour a couple of years ago and how they capitulated against them this time when the wickets had some purchase?

 

[Vikram1989]

No man! Jaiswal is not at all a fraud. He’s a legit batter. In fact, he will churn out more runs in Tests than Gill when it’s all said and done. You’ll see.

Jaiswal came as an opener and stuck through overcast conditions. Then he capitalised loose deliveries to score a century. Gill came at pretty good time when compared to Jaiswal. Credit to Gill to get a good century. But Jaiswal showed till now he can score on any pitch and anywhere unlike Gill.In 2002 at Headingly in similar overcast conditions, dravid scored 120 odd. sachin, ganguly thereafter plundered to get 180 odd.but man of the match went to dravid for sticking in difficult overcast conditions. Haters just don't understand the logic.

 

[kron]

That ‘retard’ has won some really iconic tests and has earned more accolade than all the current batsmen in both your A & B team (Pak and Bangla) combined.

Don’t listen to him
Pant is the greatest wicket keeper batsman from Asia
And the second greatest wicket keeper of all time
Period

After gilly

Infact put pant in a team with Mcwarne and they wouldn’t miss gilly soon either.

 

[nish_mate]

What's the dance of Bangla fans when their team manage to win something??



I will take bhangra anyway. .

 

[kron]

Carse was just spraying the bowling in the last overs and too many shorts make him predictable for Pant

Anderson broad
Carse and co

All would have had doubled their tally of wickets if pujara rahane kohli and Rohit played

That’s whom they miss

 

[kron]

Jaiswal came as an opener and stuck through overcast conditions. Then he capitalised loose deliveries to score a century. Gill came at pretty good time when compared to Jaiswal. Credit to Gill to get a good century. But Jaiswal showed till now he can score on any pitch and anywhere unlike Gill.In 2002 at Headingly in similar overcast conditions, dravid scored 120 odd. sachin, ganguly thereafter plundered to get 180 odd.but man of the match went to dravid for sticking in difficult overcast conditions. Haters just don't understand the logic.

Imagine if kohli Rohit and rahane and pujara played here

Would be 150/4 max

 

[kron]

The biggest weakness of Indian batters is good length inswingers with full attacking field and slips...Bowling at 4th to 5th stump can do the job for England...simple nicks and gone

Aka Boland tactics

Yes against kohli Rohit rahane type players

 

[Savak]

Yea.. the point is Anderson would have done zilch in this series. It is not like they are bowling to Sachin Tendulkar. They are bowling to inexperienced players as well. Jaiswal destroyed Anderson in india after a dismissal

Anderson at 42 would have suffered. Anderson at 30-33 would have shown his quality

 

[Vikram1989]

Imagine if kohli Rohit and rahane and pujara played here

Would be 150/4 max

On the top,headlines are that the goats got a great delivery to dismiss them.no one else can survive. I want roko to leave odis too and let Indian team prosper.i think after this kind of performance, there will be more pressure to infuse new blood in odis too.

 

[RidiculousMan]

They curated a road. People doing bhrangra for jaiswal smh.

Sad news is that the pitch will deteriorate and Indians will ignore it.

If this pitch continues to become worse as days go by then it'll be a surprise cause in the last 10 years this pitch has only improved in terms of batting average.

 

[kron]

@RedwoodOriginal
Do you think pitch will take turn on day 4/5?

Looks ultra flat now
But good batting too by the looks of it.

 

[Vikram1989]

If this pitch continues to become worse as days go by then it'll be a surprise cause in the last 10 years this pitch has only improved in terms of batting average.

As per a graphic on yesterday, batting avg on first day is 28 and last day is 40

 

[kron]

As per a graphic on yesterday, batting avg on first day is 28 and last day is 40

So we need 600 plus

Get the bowled out for 400
And then pile on another 300
Get them to chase 500 under scoreboard pressure


No one can get wickets here unless batsmen lose concentration or throw away wickets it seems

Unless we bring back Sanderson pappus like virat rohit and rahane

 

[Vikram1989]

So we need 600 plus

Get the bowled out for 400
And then pile on another 300
Get them to chase 500 under scoreboard pressure


No one can get wickets here unless batsmen lose concentration or throw away wickets it seems

Unless we bring back Sanderson pappus like virat rohit and rahane

We should try to bat as much as possible today and grind the opposition bowling in to dirt.it's a 5 match series and only archer may be an addition later.hopefully nair or jadeja too get a century .

 

[jnaveen1980]

Anderson at 42 would have suffered. Anderson at 30-33 would have shown his quality

Root has 36 centuries. ENtire Indian team has 34 centuries. Talk about experience. Indian bowling bar Bumrah has no real experience as well. Jadeja on his last legs as well. Bumrah plays only 3 tests. Above all these are English conditions known to English bowlers.

 

[kron]

We should try to bat as much as possible today and grind the opposition bowling in to dirt.it's a 5 match series and only archer may be an addition later.hopefully nair or jadeja too get a century .

Archer won’t play bro
He will die in tests

But maybe Atkinson will

 

[Vikram1989]

Archer won’t play bro
He will die in tests

But maybe Atkinson will

As per cricinfo, archar may join for 2nd or 3rd match.Archer is not useful unless other supporting cast is good.wood is potentially targeting 5th match.( highly doubtful).Atkinson had hamstring 3 weeks back and no news of him.he was hoping for 2nd match.i think second match is 10 days away.so Atkinson may join.

 

[Devadwal]

Life without Anderson and Broad, tough

They need to takes retirement back along with Andrew Flintoff

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

@mominsaigol will now invent new excuses to counter it.

Pant is the greatest test cricketer in the world, you haven’t been around this forum for long, you can see the thread @London_Lahori created for Pant in test, he and @Bhaag Viru Bhaag got smacked on their head too many times there, I have been supporting Pant since day one and you are not a good reader of the game if you think Pant isn’t a revolutionary talent.
On that thread alone we were able to identify who actually understands the game.

You definitely need 3-4 years more to actually become a proper cricket fan.

Pant is the blue eyed boy of Indian cricket and he will retire as a GOAT Wk batsman alongside Gilchrist in test cricket.

Funny how you only tag me when Pant plays well, but disappear under a rock the rest of the time. And it is also funny how you have stopped supporting him in LOIs and only concentrating on tests now.

I have gone easy on Pant ever since his life-threatening accident. And didn't even criticise him when he played badly after making a comeback. It's panautis like you who go overboard on players and hand out these GOAT, ATG tags. He is averaging 43 currently. A few good knocks in Tests don't make you an ATG. Consistent performances do, ask Kohli. Anyway I have already acknowledged that Pant is good in Tests, even with his current average.

 

[Ab Fan]

Sai Sudarshan must kick himself really hard. He won't got better conditions to get his eye in and score a big one in his debut test innings.

As for Rahul, well he is Rahul, the hopeless.

Rahul looks like a million dollar though. Even when he scores a 40, it seems like he is scoring the greatest 150 a player has ever played.

 

[Vikram1989]

Rahul looks like a million dollar though. Even when he scores a 40, it seems like he is scoring the greatest 150 a player has ever played.

But it shows that whenever we get an alternative, we should kick kl out of team mercilessly. All other young batsmen scored big but that guy always misses out after settling in (any pitch or any position).

 

[kron]

Funny how you only tag me when Pant plays well, but disappear under a rock the rest of the time. And it is also funny how you have stopped supporting him in LOIs and only concentrating on tests now.

I have gone easy on Pant ever since his life-threatening accident. And didn't even criticise him when he played badly after making a comeback. It's panautis like you who go overboard on players and hand out these GOAT, ATG tags. He is averaging 43 currently. A few good knocks in Tests don't make you an ATG. Consistent performances do, ask Kohli. Anyway I have already acknowledged that Pant is good in Tests, even with his current average.

He has won more games than dravid sacchu have in Aus and SA already. If not its pretty close as he has single handedly helped us win a test series /wins

 

[Sachin fan]

How am I troll for not rating Pant and Jaiswal? Im only willing to take back what I said about jaiswal?

Why on earth would i take back what I said about pant? Overrated Hackish player lol.

You are a troll because you were roasting Pant for having a 43 average as a wicket keeper batsmen yet rate the 37 averaging Gill over the 54 averaging Jaiswal.

I don't have a personal problem with you, but cheap trolling like this just lowers the standards of discussion and is clearly in bad faith.

 

[MP2011]

Rahul looks like a million dollar though. Even when he scores a 40, it seems like he is scoring the greatest 150 a player has ever played.

150? It's a hyperbole. Yesterday was the day he should have scored a daddy hundred but he couldn't even score a 50 with everything going his way, like countless number of times in his career in all forms of the game.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Can't blame them. There is a reason why vastly experienced players from these minnow nations struggle to match someone who makes debut yesterday. Understanding of the nuances of the game is poor from these fans. So i will cut some slack and let them come up to the level of other fans in due course.

 

[sweep_shot]

Their bazball won’t work if the pitches are not flat. Did you forget the royal spanking they gave Pakistan playing Bazball when the wickets were flat in the Pakistan tour a couple of years ago and how they capitulated against them this time when the wickets had some purchase?

Did you forget Pakistan gave spin-pitches and not pace-friendly pitches?

England should've dished out a pace-friendly pitch instead of a flat pitch.

 

[Sachin fan]

Did you forget Pakistan gave spin-pitches and not pace-friendly pitches?

England should've dished out a pace-friendly pitch instead of a flat pitch.

They didn't give a flat track because of the goodness of their heart.

Its clear they are pretty vary of Bumrah and believe indian pace attack (with Siraj etc) is way better. To nullify that they made it flatter.

But it's really not as flat as you guys believe, you will see when india bowls.

 

[kron]

They didn't give a flat track because of the goodness of their heart.

Its clear they are pretty vary of Bumrah and believe indian pace attack (with Siraj etc) is way better. To nullify that they made it flatter.

But it's really not as flat as you guys believe, you will see when india bowls.

Nha it’s pretty flat but might take spin later

 

[Sachin fan]

Funny how you only tag me when Pant plays well, but disappear under a rock the rest of the time. And it is also funny how you have stopped supporting him in LOIs and only concentrating on tests now.

I have gone easy on Pant ever since his life-threatening accident. And didn't even criticise him when he played badly after making a comeback. It's panautis like you who go overboard on players and hand out these GOAT, ATG tags. He is averaging 43 currently. A few good knocks in Tests don't make you an ATG. Consistent performances do, ask Kohli. Anyway I have already acknowledged that Pant is good in Tests, even with his current average.

Werent you the one constantly talking about test cricket and how other formats don't matter? Yet when Pant played one of the greatest test innings at Gabba you had nothing but hate.

If someone really liked test cricket they would like players like Pant much better than those who shine in LOIs.

Any true test cricket fan would know that a wicketkeeper batsman averaging 43 is ATG level, not even Sanga could average more as a keeper. Only gilly averaged more as a keeper and even he was just 47.

All you pretence of being a true test cricket fan has been exposed. You genuinely think a wicketkeeper batsman averaging 43 is not great despite the entire history of test cricket.

 

[Sachin fan]

Nha it’s pretty flat but might take spin later

Not really, india left well and England bowled too full allowing drives. There was something in the wicket as Stokes showed he he bowled a better length than all other bowlers.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Werent you the one constantly talking about test cricket and how other formats don't matter? Yet when Pant played one of the greatest test innings at Gabba you had nothing but hate.

If someone really liked test cricket they would like players like Pant much better than those who shine in LOIs.

Any true test cricket fan would know that a wicketkeeper batsman averaging 43 is ATG level, not even Sanga could average more as a keeper. Only gilly averaged more as a keeper and even he was just 47.

All you pretence of being a true test cricket fan has been exposed. You genuinely think a wicketkeeper batsman averaging 43 is not great despite the entire history of test cricket.

which part of 'I already acknowledged that Pant is good in Tests' did you not understand? You are someone who registered in 2025 but talking about my posts from years ago.=

 

[kron]

Not really, india left well and England bowled too full allowing drives. There was something in the wicket as Stokes showed he he bowled a better length than all other bowlers.

Stokes always bowls well in sena pitches great support bowler
Lion hearted player

Even in India he bowled big spells before breaking down eventually

We shall see how it goes when Prasidh siraj and bumrah bowl

Will be good.

 

[mominsaigol]

No man! Jaiswal is not at all a fraud. He’s a legit batter. In fact, he will churn out more runs in Tests than Gill when it’s all said and done. You’ll see.

Lets see

 

[Vikram1989]

Werent you the one constantly talking about test cricket and how other formats don't matter? Yet when Pant played one of the greatest test innings at Gabba you had nothing but hate.

Come on bro.he was counting Indian wickets in gabba second innings till 5 and later disappeared in that thread. Any body can see his antics in that commentary thread.

 

[Devadwal]

India batted well but Excuse from some Pakistanis are like center of gravity moment's.

 

[mominsaigol]

You are a troll because you were roasting Pant for having a 43 average as a wicket keeper batsmen yet rate the 37 averaging Gill over the 54 averaging Jaiswal.

I don't have a personal problem with you, but cheap trolling like this just lowers the standards of discussion and is clearly in bad faith.

I rate Gill over jaiswal yes. Everyone knows I rate all format players > Test only specialists

 

[Devadwal]

Can we add another 200 from here ? 550 is what minimum needed from this position. Anything less than 550 1st innings score will be disappointed for me.

 

[BouncerGuy]

STAY ON TOPIC NOW AND TALK ABOUT THE CURRENT MATCH ONLY...

THIS IS A MATCH THREAD, NOT YOUR PERSONAL PAGE.

 

[kron]

Can we add another 200 from here ? 550 is what minimum needed from this position. Anything less than 550 1st innings score will be disappointed for me.

Target 600
Try to skittle them for sub 400

Pile on the misery on day 4 and add another quick fire 250 to 300
Give a target of 450 to 500 to chase on day 5

Bundle them out under scoreboard pressure.

 

[Ab Fan]

150? It's a hyperbole. Yesterday was the day he should have scored a daddy hundred but he couldn't even score a 50 with everything going his way, like countless number of times in his career in all forms of the game.

He gives the impression that he is the best new ball batter in the country in overseas conditions. But hardly makes it count.

 

[Ab Fan]

I rate Gill over jaiswal yes. Everyone knows I rate all format players > Test only specialists

What makes you think Gill is all format player and Jaiswal isn’t? The only reason Jaiswal is not in ODI team is because lack of spot in top 3. Gill came into international scenes earlier and is senior to Jaiswal and that’s why he is in Indian ODI team while Jaiswal isn’t.

 

[mominsaigol]

What makes you think Gill is all format player and Jaiswal isn’t? The only reason Jaiswal is not in ODI team is because lack of spot in top 3. Gill came into international scenes earlier and is senior to Jaiswal and that’s why he is in Indian ODI team while Jaiswal isn’t.

Its just that jaiswal and Pant do not impress me. I like them yes and ive made it clear that their solid but im not willing to give them a future ATG status yet.

This is something people aren't understanding, possibly because im willing to give Gill one but thats due to his monster debut with 9 international cemturies in a year.

The obvious trolls that are attacking me, are attacking me due to Travis Head and because im not hero worshipping Jaiswal.

I even started my Pant and jaoswal hype machine thread by explaining in OP that they are solid batsmen.

But obviously people are ignoring that since it helps them strawman me and carry forth an agenda.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Vaughan 'staggered' by England decision to bowl

Former captain Michael Vaughan said he was "staggered" by England's decision to field first after India piled on 359-3 on day one of the first Test at Headingley.

Despite hot temperatures and a pitch offering no obvious assistance to the bowlers, England captain Ben Stokes chose to bowl on winning the toss.

Stokes' choice gave the opportunity for opposite number Shubman Gill to stroke an unbeaten 127, while opener Yashasvi Jaiswal cracked 101. In Stokes' defence, Gill also admitted he would have bowled first.

But Vaughan, who played all of his domestic cricket for Yorkshire, told Test Match Special: "I am an old school traditionalist. Here at Leeds, when the sun is shining, with dry weather, you bat."

England have made a habit of fielding first since Stokes became captain in 2022.

In nine previous home Tests in which England have won the toss in that period, they have batted first only once. From those nine matches, they have won six and probably would have had a seventh had it not been for rain in Manchester during the fourth Ashes Test of 2023.

Recent history also favours fielding first at Headingley. The previous six Tests on this ground were won by the team that fielded first.

There can be justification for fielding first in good batting conditions. In order to win a Test a team needs to bowl the opposition out twice, and therefore gives themselves the maximum amount of time to do that by fielding first.

Some pitches also get better for batting as a Test progresses, making a run chase in the fourth innings the best time to score runs.

Vaughan, who famously captained England to victory in the 2005 Ashes, believes Stokes should have given more credence to conditions on Friday morning when he made his decision.

"You always have to pick your decisions on that moment, and not things that you did here years ago or at other times. It can't affect what the decision is today," he said.

"You look at the England side and their strength is in the batting. And there is inexperience in the bowling at the moment. Ben clearly had a gut feeling, and sometimes it has worked."

England fast bowling consultant Tim Southee explained the decision was partly affected by the green colour of the pitch on Thursday.

"With the colour of the wicket yesterday, and a little bit of moisture left in it if there was a little bit of help in it, it was probably going to be this morning," said the New Zealander. "That was the thinking behind the decision.

"You look at the surface and make the decision on what you think will give you the best chance. Not all the time do you get it right."

There are infamous examples of England captains choosing to field first, only for the decision to backfire.

Nasser Hussain did so in the first Ashes Test against Australia in Brisbane in 2002 and England never recovered. David Gower inserted the Australians on this ground in 1989, only for the tourists to rack up 601-7 declared.

In contrast, Stokes himself asked New Zealand to bat first at Trent Bridge in 2022. The Black Caps piled on 553, but England completed a fourth-innings run chase courtesy of Jonny Bairstow, the first example of 'Bazball'.

Therefore, the wisdom of Stokes' decision in this Test will be revealed over the following four days and will be heavily influenced by how England play India pace-bowling maestro Jasprit Bumrah.

"It was a good pitch, so it's not easy to restrict runs," said Vaughan. "Ben Stokes is still positive and he will come back tomorrow saying let's get seven wickets.

"We won't know that for sure until we see Jasprit Bumrah bowl on it. He can bowl you out with anything. Until I see that, I will hold my judgement on how flat this pitch is."

BBC

 

[Devadwal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1936290151249969152

Same is going to happen with Australia when Starc, Cummins and Hazelwood will retire after next Ashes.

 

[harshjoshi87]

Allah ka shukar someone understands. This is what I have been trying to reiterate for years on end.

Idk how many times I have stated the following

A) Pant and Jaiswal are solid players
B) I however do not rate them the same way people are overhyping them.

On talent alone Gill is a better player then both.

Its unfortunate everyone else has reading comprehension issues ans these 2 lunatic trolls @Devadwal and @Vikram1989 respond with

But but but Travis Head .

It is extremely difficult for me to filter out my conversations when these 2 are desperate for my attention, with one of them responding directly to me and the other avoiding me but responding to others to fight me .

Unfortunately for others, I do not believe in calling someone a future ATG until their career is ober and they actually become ATG's.

Wait for 10-15 years. Sabar.

Jaiswal failed when ball seamed & swinged in South Africa, the only time he got going was in 2nd innings of 2nd test when India had only 72 to chase. Also failed on a seaming track in pink ball test match in Adelaide.

If England prepare green tracks in upcoming test matches, Jaiswal should adapt quickly or he will be exposed.

Pant has temperament issues which lost us the Boxing Day test match when all he had to was play out the last session. That shot off Head has cost him the captaincy. Yesterday too he played the needless shot in the last over off Woakes.

 

[mominsaigol]

Jaiswal failed when ball seamed & swinged in South Africa, the only time he got going was in 2nd innings of 2nd test when India had only 72 to chase. Also failed on a seaming track in pink ball test match in Adelaide.

If England prepare green tracks in upcoming test matches, Jaiswal should adapt quickly or he will be exposed.

Pant has temperament issues which lost us the Boxing Day test match when all he had to was play out the last session. That shot off Head has cost him the captaincy. Yesterday too he played the needless shot in the last over off Woakes.

I'm aware but fanboys won't understand this because they just want hero worship.

These boys view cricket of cricinfo and just want everyone to do same.

It aint possible for me to genuinely discuss with 4 guilty culprits of this forumn

 

[Mesozoic]

They should pile up 650 + today. Bat all day probably.

England with bazball are not going to last too many overs so we will still have plenty of time to eek out a result.

 

[Bhaijaan]

They should pile up 650 + today. Bat all day probably.

England with bazball are not going to last too many overs so we will still have plenty of time to eek out a result.

Not our style.

When has India ever batted first 2 full days in test cricket?

Plan is always to declare an hour before end of play regardless of the score.

 

[Devadwal]

They should pile up 650 + today. Bat all day probably.

England with bazball are not going to last too many overs so we will still have plenty of time to eek out a result.

Don't think too far ahead , ball is still 5 over old and one inspired bowling spell can change all things in 30 minutes.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Great minds think alike .

 

[Sachin fan]

Jaiswal failed when ball seamed & swinged in South Africa, the only time he got going was in 2nd innings of 2nd test when India had only 72 to chase. Also failed on a seaming track in pink ball test match in Adelaide.

If England prepare green tracks in upcoming test matches, Jaiswal should adapt quickly or he will be exposed.

Pant has temperament issues which lost us the Boxing Day test match when all he had to was play out the last session. That shot off Head has cost him the captaincy. Yesterday too he played the needless shot in the last over off Woakes.

But without the same approach pant would not have won us many many matches.

The coward approach you are suggesting is why we won NOTHING overseas for a long long time. Entire 90s and early 2000s were wasted in the scared timidly approach you are suggesting

I love how you blame one pant shot but not the others who failed same test.

Fattu mentality like yours was why remained a medicore team for so long in tests in our history despite ATG bats. We played like cowards, never trying to dominate and never won much.

Batsmen like Pant and jaiswal have installed the winning mentality for us.your phattu mentality means we would have lost the 2021 BGT which Pant won

But then an "Indian" would know this. Imagine pretending to be an Indian fan and attacking two of our most exciting match winning talent. Which true fan attacks a 23 year? Our
goats like Sachin, dravid, kohli etc laid an egg in South Africa many times in their career yet you have the gall to attack a 23 year old?

 

[Vikram1989]

Jaiswal failed when ball seamed & swinged in South Africa,

Pant has temperament issues which lost us the Boxing Day test match when all he had to was play out the last session.

The left one in ur dp , a mediocre test cricketer and dumb captain, avoided all sena test tours at any cost when he was a player . right one was having avg of 33 past 5 years.both never learnt to play left arm pacers in entire their career and costed India 2 tournament knock outs.both shamelessly opted out of test matches for statpadding. Any youngster who is willing to learn can play instead of them

 

[BouncerGuy]

TALK ABOUT THIS GAME ONLY

 

[BouncerGuy]

CAN YOU GUYS STAY ON TOPIC NOW???

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT INDIA VS ENGLAND 1ST TEST MATCH ONLY.

WHAT DOES GAIKWAD HAVE TO DO WITH IT?

 

[kron]

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Not our style.

When has India ever batted first 2 full days in test cricket?

Plan is always to declare an hour before end of play regardless of the score.

no if we can then we should bat hard get 700
Get them to bat and skittle for sub 350 score

Bat again and put up 200 quickly

500 to 600 to chase with one day to go

Finish them

 

[Ball Blazer]

Despite his riches with the bat, Gill could face a disciplinary action from the ICC for breach of dress code regulations. For the unversed, Gill was spotted wearing black socks on Day 1. As per ICC's Player Clothing and Equipment regulations, in Test cricket, the sock must be either white, cream or light grey in colour.

ICC match referee Richie Richardson will make the final call on whether or not Gill should be fined for his action.

 

[Vikram1989]

ICC match referee Richie Richardson will make the final call on whether or not Gill should be fined for his action.

Gill will happily lose all his match fees if he wins the first match as captain .

 

[harshjoshi87]

The left one in ur dp , a mediocre test cricketer and dumb captain, avoided all sena test tours at any cost when he was a player . right one was having avg of 33 past 5 years.both never learnt to play left arm pacers in entire their career and costed India 2 tournament knock outs.both shamelessly opted out of test matches for statpadding. Any youngster who is willing to learn can play instead of them

The one on the left made a crucial 30 in 2007 T20 World Cup final which won us a major trophy after 1985. Was captain when they won back to back ICC trophies.

The one on the right won us the 2008 Under-19 WC, was part of winning teams of 2011 WC, 2013 CT, 2024 T20 WC, 2025 CT.

The right one whose average went down due to his eye issues has 4th highest captaincy record in test cricket with 40 wins in 68 test matches.

 

[harshjoshi87]

But without the same approach pant would not have won us many many matches.

The coward approach you are suggesting is why we won NOTHING overseas for a long long time. Entire 90s and early 2000s were wasted in the scared timidly approach you are suggesting

I love how you blame one pant shot but not the others who failed same test.

Fattu mentality like yours was why remained a medicore team for so long in tests in our history despite ATG bats. We played like cowards, never trying to dominate and never won much.

Batsmen like Pant and jaiswal have installed the winning mentality for us.your phattu mentality means we would have lost the 2021 BGT which Pant won

But then an "Indian" would know this. Imagine pretending to be an Indian fan and attacking two of our most exciting match winning talent. Which true fan attacks a 23 year? Our
goats like Sachin, dravid, kohli etc laid an egg in South Africa many times in their career yet you have the gall to attack a 23 year old?

India lost in the 1990's because Azhar engaged in match fixing. Also we had a third class bowling attack who couldn't even win in Zimbabwe.

 

[Ball Blazer]

Mark Wood opens up as India dominate the first Test

https://twitter.com/x/status/1936354066772156905

 

[harshjoshi87]

But without the same approach pant would not have won us many many matches.

The coward approach you are suggesting is why we won NOTHING overseas for a long long time. Entire 90s and early 2000s were wasted in the scared timidly approach you are suggesting

I love how you blame one pant shot but not the others who failed same test.

Fattu mentality like yours was why remained a medicore team for so long in tests in our history despite ATG bats. We played like cowards, never trying to dominate and never won much.

Batsmen like Pant and jaiswal have installed the winning mentality for us.your phattu mentality means we would have lost the 2021 BGT which Pant won

But then an "Indian" would know this. Imagine pretending to be an Indian fan and attacking two of our most exciting match winning talent. Which true fan attacks a 23 year? Our
goats like Sachin, dravid, kohli etc laid an egg in South Africa many times in their career yet you have the gall to attack a 23 year old?

As far as Jaiswal is concerned, he was exposed by South African quicks in two test matches, was found out in Adelaide & Brisbane. If England prepare green tracks, Jaiswal will find it tough going, so will IPL statpadder Sudarshan.

 

[Vikram1989]

The one on the left made a crucial 30 in 2007 T20 World Cup final which won us a major trophy after 1985. Was captain when they won back to back ICC trophies.

The one on the right won us the 2008 Under-19 WC, was part of winning teams of 2011 WC, 2013 CT, 2024 T20 WC, 2025 CT.

The right one whose average went down due to his eye issues has 4th highest captaincy record in test cricket with 40 wins in 68 test matches.

At the end, rohit is awful test player including worst avg for a test batsman in last 60 years and kohli is on same mediocre level past 5 years. Both are responsible for a whitewash at home.

 

[Vikram1989]

@Sachin fan u r absolutely rt bro.seems to be a cloned account of one known uneducated troll

 

[harshjoshi87]

At the end, rohit is awful test player including worst avg for a test batsman in last 60 years and kohli is on same mediocre level past 5 years. Both are responsible for

Yes just like mediocre Gill & listless Jaiswal

 

[Bhaijaan]

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no if we can then we should bat hard get 700
Get them to bat and skittle for sub 350 score

Bat again and put up 200 quickly

500 to 600 to chase with one day to go

Finish them

I understand what you're saying but most bowlers prefer having a go at batters in the last hour of the day and then again have a fresh shot at them the next day. Its strategic offense. It maximizes their chances of bundling the opposition out while getting adequate rest.