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England (465 & 373/5) cruise to a comfortable 5-wicket win over India (471 & 364) in the opening Test of the series

Bumrah will make this INTENT merchants run for their life in the second innings just need to score 325 :kp
 
RamLakhan said:
Was talking about overall impact! Whether somebody is a finisher or opener... It is the overall match-winning ability, Dhoni achieved more than Gilchrist in that (add to that Captaincy and winning multiple trophies...)
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Hard disagree. If you are referring to all formats, Gilly as a batsmen >>> Dhoni.

In odi only, Dhoni was an exceptional captain but gilly wasnt a captain, Ita not a fair metric, if you're comparing captaincy only then Ponting vs Dhoni would be better.

From a batting standpoint, Gilly dominated in cups. His 2007 final century is > Dhoni's final knock vs Sri Lanka for sure.

Gilly is considered ahead of his era. Not only did he change the way wicket keepers are perceived, but he also changed the way opening is typically done. Before him I can only recall a few like Sanath, Saeed Anwar, Sehwag etc etc that adopted a similar opening mantra but Gilly defo changed the game as he was a keeper.

In terms of impact Gilly is 100% considered > and better but Dhoni has better pr, a bigger fan base as well as a bollywood biopic that inflates his reputation.

As a captain he was a gun player and if you wish to include that metric to put him > Gilly sure.

But as a player gilly is defo no 1 wicket keeper of all time with no one surpassing him.

Dhoni is essentially in the realm of QDK as a keeper but less of a choker. Qdk is overall a superior batsmen however Dhoni is more clutch and played more memorable innings..

Gilly > Sanga > Dhoni when it comes to player impact and as batters but Dhoni with every metric including captaincy is > them.
 
mominsaigol said:
Hard disagree. If you are referring to all formats, Gilly as a batsmen >>> Dhoni.

In odi only, Dhoni was an exceptional captain but gilly wasnt a captain, Ita not a fair metric, if you're comparing captaincy only then Ponting vs Dhoni would be better.

From a batting standpoint, Gilly dominated in cups. His 2007 final century is > Dhoni's final knock vs Sri Lanka for sure.

Gilly is considered ahead of his era. Not only did he change the way wicket keepers are perceived, but he also changed the way opening is typically done. Before him I can only recall a few like Sanath, Saeed Anwar, Sehwag etc etc that adopted a similar opening mantra but Gilly defo changed the game as he was a keeper.

In terms of impact Gilly is 100% considered > and better but Dhoni has better pr, a bigger fan base as well as a bollywood biopic that inflates his reputation.

As a captain he was a gun player and if you wish to include that metric to put him > Gilly sure.

But as a player gilly is defo no 1 wicket keeper of all time with no one surpassing him.

Dhoni is essentially in the realm of QDK as a keeper but less of a choker. Qdk is overall a superior batsmen however Dhoni is more clutch and played more memorable innings..

Gilly > Sanga > Dhoni when it comes to player impact and as batters but Dhoni with every metric including captaincy is > them.
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Was talking about ODIs only (with reference to Dhoni), now with Pant in Tests only... Yes overall Gilchrist was better than both of them (I don't think Pant is going to do well in LOIs... Somebody else will overtake him for Indian team as a wicket-keeper bat in LOIs...)

Also in Gilchrist Era there was not much T20 (so Gilchrist had to deal with only 2 formats). Today cricketers to handle all 3 format is going to be tough! They have to give up at least 1 format! ABD, Kohli, etc, retired from Tests very soon... They could not handle multiple formats, even Gilchrist would find it tough now... (handling all 3 formats and proving in each of those). Jaiswal is finding difficulty in LOIs... Sky couldn't handle tests, etc... Bumrah is the rarest player (a bowler) who is clicking in all 3 formats... Even Dhoni was not 100% effective in tests & t20s...

So it is not unfair if we compare players only based on single format and not overall...
 
RamLakhan said:
Was talking about ODIs only (with reference to Dhoni), now with Pant in Tests only... Yes overall Gilchrist was better than both of them (I don't think Pant is going to do well in LOIs... Somebody else will overtake him for Indian team as a wicket-keeper bat in LOIs...)

Also in Gilchrist Era there was not much T20 (so Gilchrist had to deal with only 2 formats). Today cricketers to handle all 3 format is going to be tough! They have to give up at least 1 format! ABD, Kohli, etc, retired from Tests very soon... They could not handle multiple formats, even Gilchrist would find it tough now... (handling all 3 formats and proving in each of those). Jaiswal is finding difficulty in LOIs... Sky couldn't handle tests, etc... Bumrah is the rarest player (a bowler) who is clicking in all 3 formats... Even Dhoni was not 100% effective in tests & t20s...

So it is not unfair if we compare players only based on single format and not overall...
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That's fine, but in regards to ODI. Gilly is clearly a superior batsmen to Dhoni and played better innings.

If you're referring to impact as a batsmen + captain as well as Dhoni's overall stature propelled by PR then sure, he's > Gilly.

As a batsmen though Gilly is > Dhoni in odi, however thats not an insult to Dhoni as being no 2 all time in odi behind gilly is nothing to be embarrassed about.
 
mominsaigol said:
That's fine, but in regards to ODI. Gilly is clearly a superior batsmen to Dhoni and played better innings.

If you're referring to impact as a batsmen + captain as well as Dhoni's overall stature propelled by PR then sure, he's > Gilly.

As a batsmen though Gilly is > Dhoni in odi, however thats not an insult to Dhoni as being no 2 all time in odi behind gilly is nothing to be embarrassed about.
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gilly is better than msd in all formats.
 
josh tongue great pace. very good pace bowling
138 to 144 pace
carse
135 to 141 pace

woakes is the trundl

stokes is good but bowls 129 to 139
 
Bashir is more worried about his hair rather than putting any variety into his deliveries.
 
give prasidh one more game max
bring in arshdeep next game
play khmabhoj'

indian bowling will be good then
 
India desperately needs another 50 to 60 from this partnership .on this tricky track , our lower order will be the worst
 
kron said:
give prasidh one more game max
bring in arshdeep next game
play khmabhoj'

indian bowling will be good then
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I don't think prasid will get one more game.siraj will be on notice. Arshdeep will come for sure.bumrah will play 1,2,4 test matches as per dk.so prasid may get chance in one of them .
 
Pant is too good in Tests.

India massive favs now.

Need to play Kuldeep rest of the series. English bowling is a joke. Golden opportunity to win this series for India.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Pant is too good in Tests.

India massive favs now.

Need to play Kuldeep rest of the series. English bowling is a joke. Golden opportunity to win this series for India.
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India bowling is also Joke apart from Bumrah. Yes Kuldeep deserved to play . :kp
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Pant is too good in Tests.

India massive favs now.

Need to play Kuldeep rest of the series. English bowling is a joke. Golden opportunity to win this series for India.
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england bowling is quite good
carse is quick and accurate
tongue is rapid too and is good

pant and rahul just have batted well. thats all.

doesnt mean england bowling is poor

also england have potts as a backup
wood will play one or 2 games.
stone if picked is good too for one or 2 games. body is fragile.

india too have
arshdeep
khambhoj
rana
shami for one or 2 tests

as back ups

good depth for england. good for india too actually.
 
Vikram1989 said:
I don't think prasid will get one more game.siraj will be on notice. Arshdeep will come for sure.bumrah will play 1,2,4 test matches as per dk.so prasid may get chance in one of them .
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we got rana
arshdeep
akashdeep
shami for one or 2 tests
khambhoj
as back ups

khambhoj is quite good. averaged 22 vs lions

he is a good swing bowler and is fairly accurate and can keep it tight. he can be a good 3rd bowler for india.
 
batandballbattle said:
India's game to lose now, though the forecast for tomorrow isn't looking good
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bazzballers have chased 350 plus scored 3 times in the last 5 years in headingly though.

i wouldnt be so sure. we need to bowl well

pitch still has no demons. we need to bat for the day and try to bowl them out tomorrow.
 
Finally Rahul has arrived . well done lad but please be consistent now because you're the most senior batsman in this team.

I don't want this is just one of the performance in every series instead you should dominates the series.

:kp
 
Eh its a flat pitch. Not impressive. Bumrah is tue difference. I see india winning this series 3-2 thanks to Bumrah.

They will lose both games where Bumrah does not feature
 
just a reminder rahul has one good knock per series
i wouldnt trust him yet

@Vikram1989

not trying to be an a hole but this is the truth

i dont trust rahul still

give him one more match and if he fails then drop him for the third because he has done this many times before.
 
mominsaigol said:
Eh its a flat pitch. Not impressive. Bumrah is tue difference. I see india winning this series 3-2 thanks to Bumrah.

They will lose both games where Bumrah does not feature
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exactly like i said before
rahul has one good match per series
customary

so i woudnt trust him.

maybe he has improved post that champions trophy win. i dont know
but there is no proof to suggest that he has.
 
mominsaigol said:
Eh its a flat pitch. Not impressive. Bumrah is tue difference. I see india winning this series 3-2 thanks to Bumrah.

They will lose both games where Bumrah does not feature
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There is a lot of inconsistent bounce and ball misbehaving today. All the commentators and sites like BBC are calling this out. Are you watching?
 
Sachin fan said:
There is a lot of inconsistent bounce and ball misbehaving today. All the commentators and sites like BBC are calling this out. Are you watching?
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This bounce or seam isnt even close to the hell experienced on NZ and Aus pitches not to mention how toothless both eng and indian bowling is.

Bumrah is the deciding factor. I dont rate any performance this series except for Brook and pope due to negotiating Bumrah.
 
kron said:
we got rana
arshdeep
akashdeep
shami for one or 2 tests
khambhoj
as back ups

khambhoj is quite good. averaged 22 vs lions

he is a good swing bowler and is fairly accurate and can keep it tight. he can be a good 3rd bowler for india.
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Shami is not fit till October for tests. Akashdeep is having niggles.so they may move him out if he is struggling still.we can have Kuldeep if our pacersvare too bad.atleast he will give us control
 
mominsaigol said:
This bounce or seam isnt even close to the hell experienced on NZ and Aus pitches not to mention how toothless both eng and indian bowling is.

Bumrah is the deciding factor. I dont rate any performance this series except for Brook and pope due to negotiating Bumrah.
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tbf he was dropped twice vs bumrah
but yea if you play aggressive shots you create your own luck.

attack is the best form of defense bascally.

india needs arshdeep, rana and khambhoj tbh. better for these conditions. prasidh is not suited for english conditions and siraj just sucks now.
 
DK the duffer in favor of 4 day Tests .
255/3 - 50 overs left for the day , will IND declare at 375 ? I think they should ....
 
Vikram1989 said:
Shami is not fit till October for tests. Akashdeep is having niggles.so they may move him out if he is struggling still.we can have Kuldeep if our pacersvare too bad.atleast he will give us control
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in that case i would go arshdeep
rana khambhoj

spin is not needed tbh in england or sena in general. unless u have warne or murali which we dont.

kuldeep can play as number 10 i guess and then we go with arshdeep khambhoj and rana as booms will be rested next game.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
England should play only pacers in this series. Bashir is free runs. He's no Mo.
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pacers are also getting hit atleast once or twice per over.

but yea i would bring potts next game.

wood when he is back

archer is not fit for tests. wonder what happened to stone
 
kron said:
in that case i would go arshdeep
rana khambhoj

spin is not needed tbh in england or sena in general. unless u have warne or murali which we dont.

kuldeep can play as number 10 i guess and then we go with arshdeep khambhoj and rana as booms will be rested next game.
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We need good bowling unit with control in absence of bumrah. otherwise we will get slaughtered by ftb. So we desperately only good tight bowlers. Rana is quite aggressive brand like gambhir product. So it can be double edged sword.
 
Vikram1989 said:
We need good bowling unit with control in absence of bumrah. otherwise we will get slaughtered by ftb. So we desperately only good tight bowlers. Rana is quite aggressive brand like gambhir product. So it can be double edged sword.
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arshdeep is good
rana is good but yes can get hit
but will get wickets

khambhoj has that control. i would play him
also prasidh has been poor but i am willing to give him one last shot.
 
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