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India (224 & 396) hold off England (247 & 367) to seal a thrilling 6-run win in the fifth Test to level the series at 2-2

Who will win the 5th Test at the Oval?

  • India

    Votes: 9 52.9%

  • England

    Votes: 9 52.9%
  • Total voters
    17
  • Poll closed .
mominsaigol said:
So?

He avg 50+ in every country excluding Pakistan, Australia and India.

He still avg 47 in india compared to ponting avg 26, he avg 45 in Pakistan despite getting doctored tracks, and avg 35 in aus which is poor and his onpy black mark.

But avg 35 in aus is >>>>> Avg 26 in India.

His country to country record is far superior to Ponting.

You are arguing based of feelings. Aka ponting was a goat against pace.

Yeah so? Even Brooks is better then Root vs Pace? That doesnt mean he is better
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"Better" is always subjective and does not prove anything. You like Root better, good 4 u & I respect it
 
CricVet said:
"Better" is always subjective and does not prove anything. You like Root better, good 4 u & I respect it
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You are arguing through emotion, nothing more and nothing less.

Numbers show that Root surpassed Ponting in runs playing one innings less. He got more centuries and more runs then ponting and has a better country record then Ponting.

The gulf between these 2 in tests is enormous.

The onpy reason Ponting even avg slightly higher is due to no of not outs at 29 not outs while root has 25. Not outs boost your avg to enormous levels which is why Bevan and Dhoni avg 50 in odi despite both being 40 abg batters in actuality.

But lots of 20 to 30 not out scores will boost it.

Even then root is currently avg 51.46 and will likely get past 51.85 today if he goes not out.

You have no arguments that favour you, not even bowlers arguments as The bowling lineup that ponting struggled vs india is inferior to What root has to deal with.

Bumrah, Jadeja are still >>>> Harbajan, Zaheer Khan etc etc
 
Bethel is such a downgrade on Stokes, would have been more confident with Atkinson batting along with Root right now than Bethell giving such lower vibes. He has the potential to ruin all the good work done by Root and Brook..
 
Game is not over. India have fought till the end in every series, their bowlers have performed miracles with the bat, they need to perform some with the ball in this session. Remember that Indians are exposed to high pressure situations regularly because of the IPL and will therefore be better equipped to cope with a tense finish than the English, particularly Root who isn't good enough to get selected for IPL.

Don't write these Indian lions off yet.
 
I thought our bowling was awful but Ind besides Bumrah, is just as bad if not worse. Siraj has heart, some skill but a bad ball in each over, Deep has shown some skill but looks a little lost without uneven bounce. Krishna, again has something but looks like a T20 bowler forced to play tests. The Spinners look awful on these wickets that aren't dust bowls. Kuldeep may not have done much on these wickets but he would have made the batsman think. Jadeja thinks he is bowling in a T20 game and Washington is still a 2nd second spinner, even though Jadeja has been worse
 
Bewal Express said:
I thought our bowling was awful but Ind besides Bumrah, is just as bad if not worse. Siraj has heart, some skill but a bad ball in each over, Deep has shown some skill but looks a little lost without uneven bounce. Krishna, again has something but looks like a T20 bowler forced to play tests. The Spinners look awful on these wickets that aren't dust bowls. Kuldeep may not have done much on these wickets but he would have made the batsman think. Jadeja thinks he is bowling in a T20 game and Washington is still a 2nd second spinner, even though Jadeja has been worse
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They are better than our guys imo. Our guys don't want to play tests and it shows. These guys want to play, they have produced some decent spells in patches.
 
Pitch is eased up still very poor bowling and Siraj touched the ropes when he taken Brooks catch was reason why india is brink of a defeat. :kp
 
Loser Bethell can't even take a single, it seems Root will have to do all the scoring while the tailender will just deadbat everything thereby putting additional pressure on Root. No way Root is going to score all the runs by himself and is likely to get dismissed under pressure..
 
mominsaigol said:
So?

He avg 50+ in every country excluding Pakistan, Australia and India.

He still avg 47 in india compared to ponting avg 26, he avg 45 in Pakistan despite getting doctored tracks, and avg 35 in aus which is poor and his onpy black mark.

But avg 35 in aus is >>>>> Avg 26 in India.

His country to country record is far superior to Ponting.

You are arguing based of feelings. Aka ponting was a goat against pace.

Yeah so? Even Brooks is better then Root vs Pace? That doesnt mean he is bett
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mominsaigol said:
You are arguing through emotion, nothing more and nothing less.

Numbers show that Root surpassed Ponting in runs playing one innings less. He got more centuries and more runs then ponting and has a better country record then Ponting.

The gulf between these 2 in tests is enormous.

The onpy reason Ponting even avg slightly higher is due to no of not outs at 29 not outs while root has 25. Not outs boost your avg to enormous levels which is why Bevan and Dhoni avg 50 in odi despite both being 40 abg batters in actuality.

But lots of 20 to 30 not out scores will boost it.

Even then root is currently avg 51.46 and will likely get past 51.85 today if he goes not out.

You have no arguments that favour you, not even bowlers arguments as The bowling lineup that ponting struggled vs india is inferior to What root has to deal with.

Bumrah, Jadeja are still >>>> Harbajan, Zaheer Khan etc etc
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If my motor was running on emotions, I would not justify Root being better by writing an essay. I have seen both bats, and they both are good in their own ways. Ponting struggled against spin, and Root against bounce.

AFA the average is concerned, imagine this - If Root had to play on this track (in this current game) Vs Ponting the first or 2nd day while one batter gets dropped multiple times, who would likely have higher average? No emotions here, just logic!
 
CricVet said:
If my motor was running on emotions, I would not justify Root being better by writing an essay. I have seen both bats, and they both are good in their own ways. Ponting struggled against spin, and Root against bounce.

AFA the average is concerned, imagine this - If Root had to play on this track (in this current game) Vs Ponting the first or 2nd day while one batter gets dropped multiple times, who would likely have higher average? No emotions here, just logic!
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I have seen both bats as well, I dont need to imagine anything. I am speaking from all statistical points of view.

You are arguing semantics based of your own perception of what is right and wrong.
 
mominsaigol said:
I have seen both bats as well, I dont need to imagine anything. I am speaking from all statistical points of view.

You are arguing semantics based of your own perception of what is right and wrong.
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I personally don't like to judge based on stats ONLY. I have nothing against stats, but they do not show the entire picture.
 
Century #39. Extraordinary class.

There is a lot of talk about him overtaking Sachin in terms of runs, but he will also smash his centuries record.

He easily has another 15-20 centuries in him.
 
CricVet said:
I personally don't like to judge based on stats ONLY. I have nothing against stats, but they do not show the entire picture.
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But I have shown you the entire picture.

I have shown you the no of innings, no of centuries, the bowlers that they scored against, the avg etc etc.

You are arguing for the sake of arguing. Infact it is embarrassing pinting avg 26 in india as it was at a time india didnt doctored pitches like they do now to inflate the statistics of Jadeja and Ashwin.

We have clearly seen the difference in jadeja bowling in india and England.
 
Indian bowlers are so so bad. How can anyone team let an opposition chase more than 350 twice in a series. It has never happened before.
 
mominsaigol said:
But I have shown you the entire picture.

I have shown you the no of innings, no of centuries, the bowlers that they scored against, the avg etc etc.

You are arguing for the sake of arguing. Infact it is embarrassing pinting avg 26 in india as it was at a time india didnt doctored pitches like they do now to inflate the statistics of Jadeja and Ashwin.

We have clearly seen the difference in jadeja bowling in india and England.
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You are a true cricket fan but, don't get worked up like most touchy feely Indians. Dude, imagine that you have convinced me and enjoy the game. BTW, Ind ALWAYS doctored wickets.
 
CricVet said:
You are a true cricket fan but, don't get worked up like most touchy feely Indians. Dude, imagine that you have convinced me and enjoy the game. BTW, Ind ALWAYS doctored wickets.
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I am not getting worked up, I am educating you as to why you are wrong.
 
What kind of trundling bowling is this.
A team has scored 669 runs and chased over 350 twice in the same series.
Then these clowns act like they are best in the world.
 
boomboomcheema said:
Loser Bethell can't even take a single, it seems Root will have to do all the scoring while the tailender will just deadbat everything thereby putting additional pressure on Root. No way Root is going to score all the runs by himself and is likely to get dismissed under pressure..
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Bethel is a project based purely on the hype from Athers. His FC stats are awful and needed at least 2 full seasons in FC
 
Lol this bethell guy averages 28 in first class cricket.
On what basis was he selected.
Terrible selection by brendon mcullum. No way he should have played this test.
 
Time for Root to step up and show he can lead England to a win without a strokemaker at the other end. I mean Jamie Smith is very good but looks under pressure here
 
What an amazing tests series this has been , enough heat and competition. Wish the pitches were a bit more helpful for the bowlers, still great for the spectators.
 
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