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The picture above usually represents England vs Pakistan. :abbas

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& the picture above represents England vs India. :amir2

Why is England so dominant against India in general? Why India cannot give them the same fight they give the likes of Australia? Is it due to the colonial hangover that Indian players suffer mentally from because one can understand the inability to play swing in England but nothing explains the lack of performance on their flat motorways. Discuss?
 
Yeah, we lose against England because of a "colonial hangover". ::J
 
Why is England so dominant against India in general? Why India cannot give them the same fight they give the likes of Australia? Is it due to the colonial hangover that Indian players suffer mentally from because one can understand the inability to play swing in England but nothing explains the lack of performance on their flat motorways. Discuss?

Did you have heating inside the woodworks.

Hope you have AC for the remaining 3 matches :rabada2
 
Any pictures for Pakistan in Australia? I have heard we have established a lot of records in Australia over the last 20+ years.
 
We are a mediocre side against England. In contrast, Pakistan treat England like Australia treat New Zealand.
 
We are a mediocre side against England. In contrast, Pakistan treat England like Australia treat New Zealand.

What is the reason for India being mediocre against England though? I fail to understand why in all honesty.
 
Any pictures for Pakistan in Australia? I have heard we have established a lot of records in Australia over the last 20+ years.

Go and Make that thread lol.
 
Can you for once stick to the thread and respond as per that rather than engage in your usual whataboutism?

I know this is a troll thread and you are not capable of having an intelligent and serious discourse on cricket, but the only reason India are in this position in this match is because of Joe Root, who is among the top 5 greatest batsmen against spin among non-Asian teams, and not just in this era.

Considering the form that he is in, India was on the back-foot as soon as he piled up the runs in the first innings.

You can beat any team in any conditions if you score big in the first innings. Scoreboard pressure is real, and what happened on England’s last tour of India where they lost 4-0 in spite of batting first and piling up the runs was a bit of an anomaly.

Overall, England is a better than Australia in Asian conditions. If there is an Ashes in Asia, England would probably win most of the time.

Even if we compare the performances of England and Australia in UAE, we can see that England fared better.

Although they lost 5 out of 6 matches, most of the matches were very competitive and could have gone either way, and they were actually minutes away from winning the first Test in Abu Dhabi in 2015.

On the other hand, Australia were completely thrashed in 2014 and in the second Test in 2018 after drawing the first one.

As far away performances are concerned, the Indian batsmen are better against pace and bounce than late swing. That is why they also lost in New Zealand.

It also has to do with the rivalry between India and Australia, which is almost personal now. The Indian players seem to play with a different level of motivation when they are playing Australia, a team they hate losing to and it is not surprising considering the history between the two sides over the last 20 years.

All that sledging and bullying tactics of Australian players fire them up and it backfires on Australia in spectacular fashion.
 
England have a good chance of drawing this series if they maintain the same pressure that they've kept on India.

I've always believed that batting first puts the game in your favor in India, because the pitch breaks apart so dramatically.

The only thing that went wrong for India in this match was their inability to bowl England out in the first innings due to some batting masterclass from Root. Personally, I felt that playing Nadeem was a poor decision, should have played Kuldeep Yadav for the variety. Plus, England players don't play wrist spin too well according to my observations, so that was a trick that India missed in my opinion.

Nevertheless, it's a 4 match series, with 3 to go. India will now have to be a bit more careful with how they make the pitches, because they cannot make a pitch like this game because if England win the toss, the scenario will repeat. It must either be a raging turner from Day 1, or a flat road like Rawalpindi where India's fast bowlers can be more in play.
 
England have a good chance of drawing this series if they maintain the same pressure that they've kept on India.

I've always believed that batting first puts the game in your favor in India, because the pitch breaks apart so dramatically.

The only thing that went wrong for India in this match was their inability to bowl England out in the first innings due to some batting masterclass from Root. Personally, I felt that playing Nadeem was a poor decision, should have played Kuldeep Yadav for the variety. Plus, England players don't play wrist spin too well according to my observations, so that was a trick that India missed in my opinion.

Nevertheless, it's a 4 match series, with 3 to go. India will now have to be a bit more careful with how they make the pitches, because they cannot make a pitch like this game because if England win the toss, the scenario will repeat. It must either be a raging turner from Day 1, or a flat road like Rawalpindi where India's fast bowlers can be more in play.

Playing Nadeem over Kuldeep was a bad call. He may not have Test match temperament yet, but he has a bag of tricks and variations and he can take the pitch out of the equation by deceiving the batsman in the air.

Nadeem is just a run-of-the-mill SLA. Nothing unique or special.
 
If a similar thread was created about india vs pakistan in asutrailia i can only imagine a certain poster demonstrating his use of the words mediocre,delusional etc. and pak several times together. Completely different to how he has acted in this(a similar but with different subject) thread.
 
If a similar thread was created about india vs pakistan in asutrailia i can only imagine a certain poster demonstrating his use of the words mediocre,delusional etc. and pak several times together. Completely different to how he has acted in this(a similar but with different subject) thread.

Does India have a 100% losing record in England over the past 20 years?

No team is as pathetic and embarrassing anywhere as Pakistan is in Australia.
 
Does India have a 100% losing record in England over the past 20 years?

No team is as pathetic and embarrassing anywhere as Pakistan is in Australia.

True over the last 10 years a severly weakened pak team no where near their greatest team ever has managed to win not a single match in austrailia out of the 7 they have played. Heres a stat from 2010 to 2018 india played 8 matches in aus and won none there. So pretty even record up till then but no surprise the greatest asian team in history according to you managed to win 4 matches since then. Anyways the question being asked was why cant the greatest asian test team not preform as good as an average pakistan team in england. Which might be due to pack of county practice, lack of practice games and indian batsmen generally being better against bounce than swing.
 
Pakistanis tend to outperform against England ..It grabs attention and gains them county contracts...for Indians there may not be such motivation after all
 
Pakistanis tend to outperform against England ..It grabs attention and gains them county contracts...for Indians there may not be such motivation after all

Yes and for England mostly player dont Play IPL and that is why they are beating India v badly.
 
Does India have a 100% losing record in England over the past 20 years?

No team is as pathetic and embarrassing anywhere as Pakistan is in Australia.

True we shouldn’t tour Australia for next 5 years unless we improve our record against SA in SA first.
 
Here we are discussing that how badly India lost at Home , Some one with Hidden Agenda Comparing Pakistan Record of play outside Home. Well Topic is lost test match so badly at home.
 
We have not lost a series at home to England in the past 30 years except one (2012)
So I do not understand how are we bad against England overall? Are you referring to our last 3 away tours ?
 
Yes and for England mostly player dont Play IPL and that is why they are beating India v badly.
Maybe thats why we dont take them too seriously... I mean all the talk even on the eve of this test match was about Gabba..noone cared about these Englishmen on our shores..no wonder we got pasted.
 
This is just a fun troll thread to dig at our rivals.

Don’t mind it, they dig us when we are down and we return the favour. A bit of banter, nothing to take seriously.

What I don’t understand is a certain poster who gets more triggered than your average Indian fan. Yeah talking about Mamoon, this guy just can not help himself going the extra yard to defend India at all costs and still taking a swipe at the Pak side.
 
This is just a fun troll thread to dig at our rivals.

Don’t mind it, they dig us when we are down and we return the favour. A bit of banter, nothing to take seriously.

What I don’t understand is a certain poster who gets more triggered than your average Indian fan. Yeah talking about Mamoon, this guy just can not help himself going the extra yard to defend India at all costs and still taking a swipe at the Pak side.

We also Consider it as banter only. Going too and fro. If Pakistan lose a test match here and there we will also gloat a bit.
 
Playing Nadeem over Kuldeep was a bad call. He may not have Test match temperament yet, but he has a bag of tricks and variations and he can take the pitch out of the equation by deceiving the batsman in the air.

Nadeem is just a run-of-the-mill SLA. Nothing unique or special.

Nadeem is a poor spinner who will only take wickets when the ball turns more than half an acre. He has no way of stopping the run-rate when he's being attacked, and has genuinely been an atrocious pick for India.

Kuldeep was hard done, and what's worse in his case is that after losing on a spinner friendly wicket, India might just make the next pitch a flat road and go in with Ashwin + Sundar, leaving Kuldeep on the bench again. Kuldeep might not be able to bowl 6 balls on the same spot, but he is likely to exploit vicious spin on these Indian wickets, and having the right field set for him would bring wickets.

Still, I think that India have realized that a leg-spinner in tests isn't as great as it sounds, especially in the modern era. Unless you are a vicious turner of the ball and accurate, leg-spinners generally don't do that well in test cricket outside subcontinental conditions, so having a finger-spinner is better in the sense that they are accurate and restrict run flow, though Nadeem isn't doing that.
 
Another phainta for India. I am sure it must be concerning that no matter where India wins, when it comes to England they just get weak in their knees and lose all control. :akhtar
 
Since 2015....

India vs England in Test cricket...

Played 11
India won 5
England won 5
Draw 1

Im sorry am i the only one who ia not getting the "dominance" part here?

I mean I know this is an obvious troll attempt (very poor one at that) but atleast get the facts straight.... :shezzy2
 
Anyways...

Another thread with a lot of bumping potential....

I say keep em coming.... :akhtar:
 
Since 2015....

India vs England in Test cricket...

Played 11
India won 5
England won 5
Draw 1

Im sorry am i the only one who ia not getting the "dominance" part here?

I mean I know this is an obvious troll attempt (very poor one at that) but atleast get the facts straight.... :shezzy2

England has won around 14 test matches in India from my memory and regularly destroys you at home as well..
 
England has won around 14 test matches in India from my memory and regularly destroys you at home as well..


So? 10 of them came like 4 decades ago. What's your point here? :))

It's fine man. Just say you got all excited after England's win (rather india's loss) today and started this thread to vent it all out... Again, its absolutely fine... :)
 
Since 2015....

India vs England in Test cricket...

Played 11
India won 5
England won 5
Draw 1

Im sorry am i the only one who ia not getting the "dominance" part here?

I mean I know this is an obvious troll attempt (very poor one at that) but atleast get the facts straight.... :shezzy2

Lol nice selection of the cut off period ;-)
 
Since 2015....

India vs England in Test cricket...

Played 11
India won 5
England won 5
Draw 1

Im sorry am i the only one who ia not getting the "dominance" part here?

I mean I know this is an obvious troll attempt (very poor one at that) but atleast get the facts straight.... :shezzy2

India was doing fine against England in 2000's but since 2011, its gone pear shaped for India.

India's record vs England since 2011

Matches Played 24
Matches Won 7
Matches Drawn 3
Matches Lost 14

W/L ratio = 0.5

So thats not a good record for India at all vs Eng.
 
Why is England so dominant against India in general......... Discuss?

They aren’t. This is hyperbole. I think India will still win the series 2-1 or draw it 2-2.
 
Oh can you just be quiet for once. Gosh you negativity breathing creature.....

Does India have a 100% losing record in England over the past 20 years?

No team is as pathetic and embarrassing anywhere as Pakistan is in Australia.
 
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