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Ignoring the obvious point some will make about the Ireland situation (which I assure you isnt a factor in this), does anybody else think that Eoin Morgan is hugely overrated?

He's gotten this reputation of being some dynamic beast of a limited overs batsman yet he hasnt scored an ODI fifty since last November, and averages 19 so far in 2016. I cannot recall the last time he played a significant innings (He made a 100 vs NZ last summer, thats the last I can recall and that too on an absolute joke of a pitch) and wasnt carried entirely by the team he's captaining. His last two WC's were total failures (from his own performance POV, in the WT20 I dont think he even made 100 runs)

Captaincy aside his own performance has been lacking for a while now IMO.
 
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Think he's just hit some very poor patches in the last 2 years. Keeps getting back to looking like he's got it again and then unfortunately falls again.

Personally I quite like his captaincy but I know some other people have reservations about it.
 
English Umar Akmal. When in form, he can easily demolish the opposition.

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Hales, Roy, Root, Morgan, Butler, Stokes, Ali.. That's a very strong line up tbh. All of them are good to very good odi players. Then Woakes at no.8 is a more than decent batsmen too.
 
As of now every english players is (in ODI). Yeah they've depth in bat but very weak in bowling dept, will found warning outside England.
 
Not sure... he seems to go through these long, lean patches where he can't buy a run but seems to be a completely different player when the runs are flowing. Another series like this and he'll start feeling the pressure on his spot in the team.
 
He was a very fine player, but guess since an year or two, he is not in a great touch.
 
Morgan was a fantastic ODI batsman 3 to 4 years ago.

Now, he is just mediocre. I think England can easily replace him.

Give the captaincy to Hales.
 
I think he peaked early.

At first he was something different and people did not know how to bowl to him. He was one of England's top players when they won the T20 World Cup. He was full of swagger and scoring runs for fun.

However a couple of bad patches knocked his confidence tremendously, and he never really got it back.

Now it seems like he is never settled at the crease and could get out at any moment. He is a walking wicket and is often dismissed very cheaply. Essentially, his 'Highland Games' style of slog-batting has been found out.

A shame. But he is getting some very good results as captain, and occasionally produces with the bat still. I would retain him for now and see how he gets on between now and the Champions Trophy.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Morgan was a fantastic ODI batsman 3 to 4 years ago.

Now, he is just mediocre. I think England can easily replace him.

Give the captaincy to Hales.
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Given Buttler and Root have been the vice-captains I'd be highly surprised if the captaincy ever found its way to Hales.
 
He had a good summer last year vs NZ and Australia at home. Was okay in the UAE then has been pretty dire since.

I think he'll come good - he'll be instrumental in England at least getting to the final of the 2019 WC at home.
 
He has been a great Limited Overs player but his form for the last 2-3 years has been patchy.

There is no need of replacing him because he is leading the team well and is very likely to become the first English captain to lift the World Cup in 3 years time.
 
England's Umar Akmal.

Edit: someone beat me to it, but it's true.
 
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Had a couple of good innings against Australia in the one dayers in that 2013/14 season and that's it
 
He seems to be a misfit. I'm not quite sure what is role is, other than the captaincy,
 
Teams have worked him out. Was never that good anyway.

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He seemed to be a revolutionary player during England's dark days in the LOI format but with this new dynamic batting line up he doesn't seem that special anymore but he seems to be doing well as Captain and i still think he's a Good player but not as good we thought he'd be 3 or 4 years ago.

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Captain Morgan is now two hundreds away from being England's all-time leading century maker. After a lean patch, he is back to his best. 3 hundreds in the last 8 matches.

Class is permanent after all.
 
Thought he seemed overrated, but recent form shows he's capable of being the main man in the team. Nearing the landmark of most ODI runs for England too.

Next few months will see if he really is reliable as people make him out to be.
 
Eoin Morgan since the 2015 cricket world cup :

ODIs - 1573 runs @ 47.66 SR 98.55
T20Is - 421 runs @ 30.07 SR 128.35
 
Monster innings today. Back in form when it matters.
 
Good player. Able to play a bunch of different roles. England poached him for a reason, after all.
 
Not hugely over rated but highly inconsistent. Plays one world class knock and then goes badly missing for the next 5-10 games.
 
Terrific player of spin considering, he is not from the subcontinent.
 
Very good ODI player but incosistent for me. Similar to KP in that regard.

I think England's best ODI batsman are actually their openers - Alex Hales and Jason Roy.
 
[MENTION=138092]spade[/MENTION] he can only play spin on non spinning tracks. On any tracks that help spinners he is a sitting duck.
 
He is class, England is the most feared team, after they manhandled the Pakistan attack, I just hope they don't destroy Mashrafee's career
 
He is perfectly rated. he is neither overrated nor underrated.He has played some good knocks but I think consistency will always remain an issue.
 
He is an excellent player,wish we had a player like him in our ODI team.His captaincy is overrated though I feel.
 
After a pretty average 2-3 years Morgan has played really well over the past 18-24 months.
 
Donal Cozzie said:
Ignoring the obvious point some will make about the Ireland situation (which I assure you isnt a factor in this), does anybody else think that Eoin Morgan is hugely overrated?


Captaincy aside his own performance has been lacking for a while now IMO.
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Averages 60 over the last 12 months.
 
Eoin Morgan the only one worth of Hussey's throne.

Dhoni has also been good in crunch situations but Morgan been more consistent throughout his career.

Just amazing how he can grind it out and change gears at the same time playing according to the situation.
 
Underachiver imo with the talent he has he should be averaging 45 with 95+ strike rate. Used to be my favorite England player before arrival of buttler.
One of the most bankable player under pressure while chasing.

One complaint I have is he used to play those crazy 360 degree shots against pacers even before ab devillers in international cricket but now he no longer plays those shots.
 
Was on verge of being dropped and not worth place in side on merit a few years ago, but what an amazing turn around. Vital cog in current england team.
 
Robert said:
Averages 60 over the last 12 months.
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In fairness and this is my opinion I'll be sticking to but England in general are massively overrated nowadays. They play on such terribly flat decks which overrates their batting, and the bowling isnt anything special.

Theyre succeeding lately due to their batting depth, but the bowling is suffering to accommodate it and on non phatta tracks that will be exposed for me.
 
Donal Cozzie said:
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In fairness and this is my opinion I'll be sticking to but England in general are massively overrated nowadays. They play on such terribly flat decks which overrates their batting, and the bowling isnt anything special.

Theyre succeeding lately due to their batting depth, but the bowling is suffering to accommodate it and on non phatta tracks that will be exposed for me.
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In what way is the bowling suffering to accommodate the batting? We pick out 4 best bowlers and a/a couple of all rounders just like every other team.
 
introvert said:
Underachiver imo with the talent he has he should be averaging 45 with 95+ strike rate. Used to be my favorite England player before arrival of buttler.
One of the most bankable player under pressure while chasing.

One complaint I have is he used to play those crazy 360 degree shots against pacers even before ab devillers in international cricket but now he no longer plays those shots.
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Way too risky. Morgan is the most senior batsman in England ODI team now, he plays as the second accumulator next to Root but is also expected to gear up whenever required. Due to England's boom or bust lineup, Morgan can't afford to play fancy shots anymore.
 
HitWicket said:
In what way is the bowling suffering to accommodate the batting? We pick out 4 best bowlers and a/a couple of all rounders just like every other team.
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I aint an avid follower of England so take this with some salt, but I look at Stokes, Plunkett et al I dont see much threat. On their day certainly quality but they're average enough with ball to me. But again, aint an avid follower so maybe im off.

On a flat deck England are the best ODI team in the world. They bat all the way through, have lots of bowling options, plenty of pace which is crucial on such decks and Rashid can be hot, can be cold. They have all the bases covered though. Idk, I just dont see your pace attack being outstanding by any means.

On bowler friendly tracks I think the batting struggles due to the fact that nearly every LO pitch I see in England these days churns out 4ßß plus totals, and when faced with tricky pitches the batsmen cannot handle it and collapse. Can recall SA bulldozing England for 90 odd in an ODI couple years back, plus other games that I dont have off the top of my head atm. Not to mention the Test struggles, and I know thats an entirely different format, but it signals that England arent technically great, and while thats far from important in modern LO's, there are situations when you need to be patient.

And I think the pressure will get to them. Thats entirely a subjective point of course but one I'll stick to and will gladly be proven wrong on if it happens.
 
The man who has transformed the mentality and style of play for England in LO cricket.
 
One of the finest run chases in T20 cricket. A quality player and a quality captain who knows how to lead from the front.
 
He's a really good captain. He's improved his batting a lot in the last 2 years. England have a very good chance of winning with him as the captain.
 
He's good. I'm not sure about others but I've never underrated him. Although I still think he's not one of the best
 
He is a very good player but somehow falls short when it comes to being great. It is weird because he does not seem to lose it under pressure or have any temperamental issues. He needs to have that monster season where he scores a 1000 runs in a year to get to that next level.
 
Eoin is a class act. He is not at all overrated. Stop it!
 
This guy is an exceptional human being. How often you see foreign players wearing Pakistani sponsors? Or, play PSL? There are only few. Eoin Morgan is one of them. Mad respect for him.

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Had a long spell of bad form, but doing much better now. No longer just being picked as a specialist captain - back to being in the side on merit as a batter also.
 
Not a great onfield captain. His field sets abysmal. His bowlers leak runs regularly. He doesn't do anything about. No plan. Just score 350 and hope his bowlers defend it. That is his method so far.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Not a great onfield captain. His field sets abysmal. His bowlers leak runs regularly. He doesn't do anything about. No plan. Just score 350 and hope his bowlers defend it. That is his method so far.
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Poor post. The days they fall to defend 350 regurlarly then you can say this. At the moment they are winning games. When they post 350 of course all other good teams will also score well, so winning the matches, even by 1 run is the most important.
 
IAJ said:
Poor post. The days they fall to defend 350 regurlarly then you can say this. At the moment they are winning games. When they post 350 of course all other good teams will also score well, so winning the matches, even by 1 run is the most important.
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No. You cannot possibly allow every goddamn team to score 350 for fun. West Indies, SCotland, pakistan. Banglaboys were one hitter away from breaching that as well. If you look at how they leaked that many runs you will find one common thing. Poor field placing. Poor team strategy.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
No. You cannot possibly allow every goddamn team to score 350 for fun. West Indies, SCotland, pakistan. Banglaboys were one hitter away from breaching that as well. If you look at how they leaked that many runs you will find one common thing. Poor field placing. Poor team strategy.
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Again a poor post. You are underestimating teams like West Indies and Pakistan. They have decent players who can score quickly and big and history shows that as well.

But khair, we will see how your champion team plays against England.
 
He can play the Root role or the Buttler role, perfect batsman to have in any side.
 
Morgan is a leadet of men!
Alot of the credit should be given to morgan for tranforming a poor odi side to the no. 1 side in the world.


Just cant help thinking that he should really have done this with ireland.
 
IAJ said:
Again a poor post. You are underestimating teams like West Indies and Pakistan. They have decent players who can score quickly and big and history shows that as well.

But khair, we will see how your champion team plays against England.
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They are winning because they outbat opposition. Not because Morgan's strategy. So it is moot who does how. I merely comment about onfield captaincy of Morgan. It is not like he is making Butler bat the way like he bats or Roy bats like the way he bats. or others. Soon you will seen when he faces teams like Australia.
 
Scored a brilliant 148 off 71 balls against Australia to win his team an important World Cup game. 17 sixes too! What a player
 
aliasad1998 said:
Scored a brilliant 148 off 71 balls against Australia to win his team an important World Cup game. 17 sixes too! What a player
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I swear some of these England players need to have asterisks next to their stats.

You look at the numbers and they are ATGs. :vk

Then you look at the match and they are tailenders. :inti
 
He looked nervous today in the final.

Very shaky innings, certainly not what one would expect from the skipper.

Really poor shot to get out.
 
How is Morgan overrated? I barely sew people talk about him anywhere. He is renowned for being good captain only.
 
Basically being picked as a specialist captain now.

He is a good captain though.
 
Madplayer said:
He was shaking and shivering in his boots yesterday while batting.
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Most of the batters on both sides bottled it in my opinion.

Nicholls, Latham and Neesham batted well for New Zealand; Stokes, Buttler and Plunkett batted well for England.

Everyone else was crippled by nerves IMO.
 
James said:
Most of the batters on both sides bottled it in my opinion.

Nicholls, Latham and Neesham batted well for New Zealand; Stokes, Buttler and Plunkett batted well for England.

Everyone else was crippled by nerves IMO.
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Thats a fair assessment i'd say.
 
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