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Looking at englands batting line up at moment it just doesnt look solid as a batting unit what so ever. Yes they are very strong lower middle order to bail them out in Bairstow, Stokes, Moeen etc.. however they seriously need to address the batting at the top and early middle order. They have tried out so many different players recently and pretty much all of them have had a little sucess but then endless failures. Currently watching players like Jennings who looks like a good stroke player but isnt technically great. Then you have ballance who just looks like a very limited player and in longterms isnt going to score to many big runs internationally even if hes scoring runs for fun in county cricket.

Nick Compton, Micheal Carberry, Sam Robson, Adam Lyth, Alex Hales, Ben Duckett, Keaton Jennings, Gary Ballance, Haseeb Hameed thats alot of players that have been tried out in last year with very little sucess. In case of Hameed he has been injured and i will reserve my thoughts on him as he may come good as a test player once he regains form.

England need to find stabilty and quality in batting order, espcially also going forward whenever cook retires as well, which not be for a few years but still the batting looks very flimsy at moment.
 
Stoneman, Westley and Livingstone are the 3 guys I'd be keeping an eye on/selecting.
 
They're still yet to replace Strauss and Trott.

Soon enough they'll be asked to do the same for Cook, and they'd struggle there too. The bowling could well be an issue soon enough too.
 
Root should take responsibility as the best batsmen and bat at 3, Bairstow should bat at 4 and Moeen at 5. Currently, they aren't making the most of what is available- there are too many allrounders who haven't been given clear roles.
 
Root should take responsibility as the best batsmen and bat at 3, Bairstow should bat at 4 and Moeen at 5. Currently, they aren't making the most of what is available- there are too many allrounders who haven't been given clear roles.

Number 4 would be considered too high for Bairstow to bat and keep the gloves. Your suggestions would also just transfer the problem from the top order to the lower order.
 
Root should take responsibility as the best batsmen and bat at 3, Bairstow should bat at 4 and Moeen at 5. Currently, they aren't making the most of what is available- there are too many allrounders who haven't been given clear roles.
Bairstow is not solid enough batsman and no.4 in tests is too much for him..
 
I am more tempted to give guys like Bopara and Ian Bell another go.

Na, backwards steps. Bell in particular has been really struggling in the county championship this season. Gotta be looking at the guys above and then guys like Joe Clarke and Dan Lawrence as the future.
 
Number 4 would be considered too high for Bairstow to bat and keep the gloves. Your suggestions would also just transfer the problem from the top order to the lower order.

He's batting at 5 currently, and given the regular collapses it's not like he is being given a chance to rest in any case. He should be okay coming in at 4.

The point is the experienced/better batsmen should be taking more responsibility and be batting in the top order. That's to say, if you can fix the top order issues the lower order issues will be easier to fix. Bring in a batsmen for Ballance who can bat at 6, Stokes at 7, and Woakes at 8 (interchangeable). With Moeen batting at 5, drop Dawson for a better spinner. That's hardly a weak lower order.
 
Na, backwards steps. Bell in particular has been really struggling in the county championship this season. Gotta be looking at the guys above and then guys like Joe Clarke and Dan Lawrence as the future.
but the newbies are not able to handle pressure of test cricket..

may be they need to try the youngsters in ODI's first, let them establish themselves and then introduce them to test cricket...
 
Bairstow is not solid enough batsman and no.4 in tests is too much for him..

Admittedly he hasn't looked great this summer in tests (so far), but he was one of England's best batsmen last summer.

It's a tough ask for a debutant to come in at 4. Who would you suggest instead?
 
but the newbies are not able to handle pressure of test cricket..

may be they need to try the youngsters in ODI's first, let them establish themselves and then introduce them to test cricket...

I don't think they're really pressure based issues, more technical issues. You've just got to get the right guy who has a technique that can hold up in international cricket, which Ballance has shown he hasn't got.
 
Admittedly he hasn't looked great this summer in tests (so far), but he was one of England's best batsmen last summer.

It's a tough ask for a debutant to come in at 4. Who would you suggest instead?

I'd keep Root at 4 and Bairstow at 5, bring in Stoneman or Westley at 3.
 
Eng batting has fallen off since the 2014 Ind Tour.....the 4-0 series defeat plus the usual hooplah about this being their best ever test team has put undue pressure on them !!!! this is the case with no Rabada ,then 3rd test onwards will be interesting when he comes bk
 
Admittedly he hasn't looked great this summer in tests (so far), but he was one of England's best batsmen last summer.

It's a tough ask for a debutant to come in at 4. Who would you suggest instead?

Now that Saeed Ajmal doesn't play test cricket anymore, Ian Bell has a strong case for a recall..I heard that Bell has struggled in country cricket this year but he is a proven quality test player and I can still see a lot of gas left in him.
 
I'd keep Root at 4 and Bairstow at 5, bring in Stoneman or Westley at 3.

It's a even bigger ask for a debutant to come in at 3, with an ashes series around the corner.
 
Now that Saeed Ajmal doesn't play test cricket anymore, Ian Bell has a strong case for a recall..I heard that Bell has struggled in country cricket this year but he is a proven quality test player and I can still see a lot of gas left in him.

I've always enjoyed watching Ian Bell play, but his recent form excludes him from consideration (as well as his age).
 
It's a even bigger ask for a debutant to come in at 3, with an ashes series around the corner.

Stoneman is an opener by trade, Westley is a number 3 by trade. If they can't handle the number 3 spot they probably don't deserve to be playing international cricket. The West Indies series coming up would give whoever got the call a good chance to get settled
 
Stoneman is an opener by trade, Westley is a number 3 by trade. If they can't handle the number 3 spot they probably don't deserve to be playing international cricket. The West Indies series coming up would give whoever got the call a good chance to get settled

Stoneman and Westley are certainly possibilities, but I don't see why Root should be protected at 4. He is the best batsmen in the team and should bat at 3. What with the regular collapses, he pretty much is anyway!
 
Stoneman and Westley are certainly possibilities, but I don't see why Root should be protected at 4. He is the best batsmen in the team and should bat at 3. What with the regular collapses, he pretty much is anyway!

This logic is nonsense. If he wants to bat at 4 he can, because he is the best player and his comfort is paramount. The best player can be anywhere from 1-5 in a Test match and potentially even 7 in an ODI or T20.
 
This logic is nonsense. If he wants to bat at 4 he can, because he is the best player and his comfort is paramount. The best player can be anywhere from 1-5 in a Test match and potentially even 7 in an ODI or T20.

It's you who is thinking illogically. If England had a ready-made batsmen to come in at three and the top order was performing well, then sure he could bat at 4. But in case you haven't noticed, England's top-order woes are well documented and were once again on display today. In this situation, it seems to make sense for Root to bat at 3. He has the experience and he has the talent. That will allow whoever comes in to the team to bat at 4, which will ensure they can get familiar with test cricket.

Root is more than capable at batting at 3- he has batted there before so it's hardly a role he is unfamiliar with. Plus, as I said given the number of mini-collapses he pretty much is batting at 3 already anyway.

Cricket is a team sport and England need Root to bat at 3- his "comfort" (whatever that is supposed to mean) shouldn't override that.
 
It's you who is thinking illogically. If England had a ready-made batsmen to come in at three and the top order was performing well, then sure he could bat at 4. But in case you haven't noticed, England's top-order woes are well documented and were once again on display today. In this situation, it seems to make sense for Root to bat at 3. He has the experience and he has the talent. That will allow whoever comes in to the team to bat at 4, which will ensure they can get familiar with test cricket.

Root is more than capable at batting at 3- he has batted there before so it's hardly a role he is unfamiliar with. Plus, as I said given the number of mini-collapses he pretty much is batting at 3 already anyway.

Cricket is a team sport and England need Root to bat at 3- his "comfort" (whatever that is supposed to mean) shouldn't override that.

I just view it as if Root is comfortable at 4 and you're bringing in a batsman who is a career number 3 you might as well leave them in the position they have both naturally picked to bat and are comfortable at. If Westley or Stoneman come in and can't cut it at number 3 chances are they're not going to cut it at number 4 long term in international cricket either.
 
I just view it as if Root is comfortable at 4 and you're bringing in a batsman who is a career number 3 you might as well leave them in the position they have both naturally picked to bat and are comfortable at. If Westley or Stoneman come in and can't cut it at number 3 chances are they're not going to cut it at number 4 long term in international cricket either.

That's fair enough, and you are more than welcome to that opinion. What I don't have time for is when posters say that an idea is "nonsense" for the simple reason they disagree with it. Root's batting position is a perennial debate, and posters should have the maturity to recognise there can be a a wide range of valid opinions on the subject.

Back to the subject matter, my point was more that Root should take some extra responsibility as a senior batsmen, rather than thinking that Westley/Stoneman aren't good enough. I just happen to think Root would do better at 3 than Westley/Stoneman would, and Westley/Stoneman would do better at four than they would at three.
 
i reckon one of the reasons root picked balance is because he does not want to bat at 3

Why would he pick Balance in order or to do that? Ballance has spent most of his career for Yorkshire at number 5. Stoneman was the lead contender alongside Ballance for the batsmans slot and he's an opener so would just as easily fit in at 3.
 
Why would he pick Balance in order or to do that? Ballance has spent most of his career for Yorkshire at number 5. Stoneman was the lead contender alongside Ballance for the batsmans slot and he's an opener so would just as easily fit in at 3.

hasn't balance batted at 3 most his test career?
 
England are the new Pakistan. Consistently inconsistent, prone to collapses.

All this talk of "positive" and "aggressive" cricket is fine but you still need to graft in Tests. And nobody in this England team is willing to do that. To not bat even 100 overs in a Test is unacceptable, and this pitch on Day 4 was no minefield.

I'd give Keaton Jennings the series (AWFUL dismissal today - could've driven a coach through the gap between his bat and pad) but Gary Ballance has to go.

When will the penny drop for the team management that Ballance's technique is awful and he's a TTF at international level ?

Time to draft in Mark Stoneman and drop Jennings down to 3.
 
Root should bat at 3 and Hameed should open up with Cook. Not sure who they can select at 4. Don't seem to be a lot of opitions for England to select in the batting department.
 
Telegraph who are usually pretty accurate suggesting it'll be Stoneman in for Dawson and opening with Jennings pushed down to 3 and Ballance down the order/possibly replaced by Westley, presumably with Bairstow back to 7 and Moeen back to 8.
 
I'd personally try out

1. Cook
2. Stoneman
3. Jennings
4. Root
5. Ballance
6. Bairstow
7. Moeen
8. Stokes
9. Broad
10. Wood
11. Anderson

It's probably a bit risky batting new guys at three, Root would be more suited, and I'm sure Cook would be able. However for now will have to do probably. I would rather get a middle order batsman in, Jennings would probably be head to head with Stoneman to keep his place in the side, and next series the best out of the two would be the second opener with Cook I imagine.
 
It's you who is thinking illogically. If England had a ready-made batsmen to come in at three and the top order was performing well, then sure he could bat at 4. But in case you haven't noticed, England's top-order woes are well documented and were once again on display today. In this situation, it seems to make sense for Root to bat at 3. He has the experience and he has the talent. That will allow whoever comes in to the team to bat at 4, which will ensure they can get familiar with test cricket.

Root is more than capable at batting at 3- he has batted there before so it's hardly a role he is unfamiliar with. Plus, as I said given the number of mini-collapses he pretty much is batting at 3 already anyway.

Cricket is a team sport and England need Root to bat at 3- his "comfort" (whatever that is supposed to mean) shouldn't override that.

Reducing Joe Root's performance is far more risky. He is playing very well in his comfort zone and you don't want to risk his performance dropping because it's the only thing keeping England doing well in Tests.

When Ballance, Jennings etc are bad at batting it won't matter where they bat.
 
Teams for the next test :

Nasser Hussain's xi

Cook
Jennings
Root
Westley
Bairstow
Stokes
Moeen
Rashid
Broad
Wood/Roland-Jones
Anderson

David Lloyd's xi

Cook
Stoneman
Root
Bairstow
Westley
Stokes
Moeen
Plunkett
Broad
Anderson
Crane
 
In England's current test line up, the best batsmen are Root, Cook and Bairstow. I don't rate Stokes that much, Moeen Ali can be vulnerable early on. Jennings scored a debut century in India so deserves till the end of this series at least but Ballance unfortunately is not international standard
 
Teams for the next test :

Nasser Hussain's xi

Cook
Jennings
Root
Westley
Bairstow
Stokes
Moeen
Rashid
Broad
Wood/Roland-Jones
Anderson

David Lloyd's xi

Cook
Stoneman
Root
Bairstow
Westley
Stokes
Moeen
Plunkett
Broad
Anderson
Crane

Interesting that both of them put Root at 3.
 
Teams for the next test :

Nasser Hussain's xi

Cook
Jennings
Root
Westley
Bairstow
Stokes
Moeen
Rashid
Broad
Wood/Roland-Jones
Anderson

David Lloyd's xi

Cook
Stoneman
Root
Bairstow
Westley
Stokes
Moeen
Plunkett
Broad
Anderson
Crane

Source?
 
Stoneman and Westley are certainly possibilities, but I don't see why Root should be protected at 4. He is the best batsmen in the team and should bat at 3. What with the regular collapses, he pretty much is anyway!

England put their best batter at #4. Compton, Gower most often, KP. The ball moves so much that #3 takes specific skills.

I would have:

Cook
Stoneman
Jennings
Root
Ballance
Bairstow (w)
Stokes
Moeen
Woakes
Broad
Anderson

That's until Hameed comes back to form.
 
England put their best batter at #4. Compton, Gower most often, KP. The ball moves so much that #3 takes specific skills.

I would have:

Cook
Stoneman
Jennings
Root
Ballance
Bairstow (w)
Stokes
Moeen
Woakes
Broad
Anderson

That's until Hameed comes back to form.

Ballance isn't good enough. Never wish injury on anyone but it may be a blessing in disguise that it's now been confirmed he's broken his finger and is out of the next test. Dawson likely to keep his spot apparently given it's the Oval.
 
England put their best batter at #4. Compton, Gower most often, KP. The ball moves so much that #3 takes specific skills.

I would have:

Cook
Stoneman
Jennings
Root
Ballance
Bairstow (w)
Stokes
Moeen
Woakes
Broad
Anderson

That's until Hameed comes back to form.

Different situations demand different responses- not currently blessed with the likes of Trott etc. As you said, it takes a certain skillset to bat at 3. Right now, Root is the batsmen best placed to bat at 3- Nasser and Bumble appear to agree.

Agree re Hameed- exciting prospect.
 
Different situations demand different responses- not currently blessed with the likes of Trott etc. As you said, it takes a certain skillset to bat at 3. Right now, Root is the batsmen best placed to bat at 3- Nasser and Bumble appear to agree.

Agree re Hameed- exciting prospect.

I wouldn't sacrifice a strength (Root at #4) to plug a weakness. We ruined a world-class opener in Alec Stewart that way, making him keep wicket.
 
I wouldn't sacrifice a strength (Root at #4) to plug a weakness. We ruined a world-class opener in Alec Stewart that way, making him keep wicket.

I personally don't see it as sacrificing a strength, but each to his own. Looking forward to see how the new line-up fares at the Oval. Hopefully they drop Dawson.
 
The holes in englands batting line up are getting bigger and bigger.
 
England's batting lineup in Tests is totally messed up

Root is clearly not in the level of Smith and Kohli and imo Williamson, even though English fans like to think otherwise. He just doesnt build and play long innings regardless of talent

Cook was their only other world class batsman but he is now in terminal decline and imo is playing based off his reputation and lack of alternatives

Probably Bairstow has been their most impressive batsman over the last 18 months for me but I dont know whether he can be a main guy

Asides from these three flawed batsmen the rest arent upto much at all

It has been like this for almost 2 plus years too so nothing new. Clearly the problem isnt fixed. Is it a talent issue? Where do you see the future?
 
Assuming, they are unwilling to call up old dogs(Ian Bell, James Hildreth) to the Test squad, I feel dropping Cook down to no.3 might prove very good for him.
 
I don't think their batting is that messed up. I'd say the only thing messed up is Cook because I think the reason for him not retiring is more so due to lack of alternatives (I don't follow English cricket too deep so I could be dead wrong here) than reputation; regardless, it's unfortunate because not too long ago he scored runs as if it was nothing to him.

Joe Root, I think, needs to relinquish captaincy as I feel the pressures of it is affecting his batting. Just checked his scores so far in the series and apart from the 80 in the first test, he's gotten small starts so it's not like he's in a drought for runs (although by his standards, his form is probably terrible) but not being captain I feel will improve his performances significantly (again, I could be wrong as only time will tell).

Talent wise, simply put, let's just see how Ollie Pope, Keaton Jennings, and Sam Curran fare in the rest of the series.
 
Have South Africans stopped going to county cricket?

You'd think England need 2-3 of them pronto, regardless of the eventual series result against India.
 
Anyway, I agree. Root, Bairstow, Cook (even though he's struggling, but can't see him being dropped for a while), are 3 certainities. Lots of chopping and changing for the 2nd opener, we've seen the likes of Stoneman, Jennings, Lyth in this position and no one been able to cement their place. Same goes for some middle order batsmen. Malan, Vince, Ballance etc, no one can cement their place. Let's see how Ollie Pope does.
 
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Time for Ian bell recall/ alaistar cook to bat at number 3

Is it time England calls Ian Bell for a short period of time?

1) Allows Joe root to bat at number 4

2) Ian bell is in excellent form and one needs to make use of his form. Just reached 20,000 runs.


Or

England find a fresh pair of openers and put Cook at number 3. Joe Root at number 4 look much better on my end.
 
England should just invert their batting line-up.
 
England should just invert their batting line-up.

I knew the moment I saw Ali and Curran in the lineup, England's tail will bully our bowlers.

England will end up scoring 250 and India will find it hard to match that total.

We had the opportunity to bundle them out for 120 and match would have been in our bag. Now it looks like we have to bat really well to stay in the game.
 
England's worst batting line up since the late 90s. They haven't replaced Strauss, KP, Bell and Trott.
 
Who can replace Alastair Cook for England?

For several years, the identity of Alastair Cook’s opening partner provided a persistently nagging headache for England’s selectors.

Now Ed Smith and co must wrestle with a slightly different problem - the search for Cook's replacement following the former England captain's decision to retire from Test cricket.

They need to hit upon a solution relatively quickly, with England's squad due to set off for Sri Lanka on the first leg of their winter tour in just a matter of weeks.

So what are the main options as England attempt to fill the undoubted void left by the departure of their record Test run-scorer?

SHUFFLE THE PACK

In some ways, the easiest option might be to promote an existing member of the batting line-up and give him a run of games against Sri Lanka and then Windies after the turn of the year.

Moeen Ali is back in the England fold and delivered with the ball at Southampton - but his second-innings move to No 3 failed to pay off, bringing back memories of an unsuccessful stint as opener against Pakistan a few years ago.

Joe Root, of course, did slightly better as Cook's opening partner in the Ashes series of 2013. Yet the captain has made it clear he prefers to bat at No 4 and, given his status as England's best batsman, perhaps he should be afforded his wish.

Which leaves the squad's two batsman/wicketkeepers. Jos Buttler has performed well lower down the order, while Jonny Bairstow's elevation to open in white-ball cricket has proved a resounding success.

Bairstow is a player who seems to thrive on extra responsibility - so maybe it's worth giving him a run as opener in the Test side as well? At least it would help to clear a bit of space in England's increasingly crowded middle order.

PICK THE BEST PERFORMER IN COUNTY CRICKET

The traditional method of selecting England players - although that notion appears to have been dispelled since Smith took over as national selector earlier this year.

But if scoring runs in the Specsavers County Championship remains any sort of benchmark, surely the claims of Rory Burns cannot be ignored. The Surrey left-hander has amassed 961 runs so far this season at a whopping average of 64.07.

Not only has that performance come in Burns' first season as Surrey captain, which suggests the burden of leadership is no distraction - he also seems destined to end the campaign by leading his side to their first county title since 2002.

The same argument can be made for James Vince, who is second only to Burns in the scoring charts with 877 runs for Hampshire, and was recalled to the England squad for the fourth Test.

However, question marks were raised about Vince's technique against the new ball during his first spell in the national side - so asking him to open the batting in Sri Lanka would certainly be a bold step.

SHOW FAITH IN YOUNG GUNS

Almost 13 years ago, England turned to 21-year-old Essex left-hander Cook when they were seeking a replacement for Marcus Trescothick at short notice - and that decision seemed to work out fairly well.

The problem is, there aren't too many up and coming batsmen knocking hard on the selectors' door at the moment. Haseeb Hameed was earmarked as the next bright young thing when England toured India two years ago.

But injury curtailed Hameed's promising start and since then he has hardly been able to buy a sizeable score for Lancashire, averaging a miserable 9.71 in the County Championship this season.

Middlesex's Nick Gubbins is another promising left-handed opener who enjoyed a stellar year in 2016, but the 24-year-old has been unable to convert starts into significant scores with any regularity since then.

Like Gubbins, most of the other young pretenders are currently playing in Division Two - Sussex's Phil Salt and Zak Crawley of Kent are two to have caught the eye this season and both would also offer a right-handed option at the top of the order.

LEFT-FIELD SELECTION

Sometimes thinking outside the box can pay dividends. Think back to Wayne Larkins, for example - he was recalled after almost a decade at the age of 36 and promptly hit the winning runs to clinch what was then an extremely rare England victory in the Caribbean.

Ian Bell might be a Larkins-type selection right now. True, it's only three years since the last of his 118 Test appearances, but he offers much-needed experience to balance the loss of Cook and has been in good nick for Warwickshire this season.

Another surprising, but not inconceivable, move would be a recall for Mark Stoneman. The Surrey opener was dropped after the first Test of the summer against Pakistan, but always showed plenty of grit for England and was back among the runs last week with a century against Nottinghamshire.

And if the selectors choose to go down a previously untrodden path, they could do worse than to examine the claims of two other county stalwarts.

Kent's Joe Denly has enjoyed a good season - with ball as well as bat - and has opened previously in his career, while Daryl Mitchell of Worcestershire brings a career total of more than 12,000 first-class runs to the table.

Any of those selections might raise an eyebrow or two, but equally they might prove to be the answer…

http://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/12173/11489702/who-can-replace-alastair-cook-for-england
 
With Cook's retirement, I wouldn't be averse to adding a bit of experience to this team and recalling Bell to bat at 3 till the Ashes series next summer.
 
Good thread by OP, england still struggling with the batting. Time for selectors to be strong select two new openers and back them for a while. Also moeen at 3 on slower wickets is not longterm answer.
 
I say give Buttler the gloves and put this overrated bairstow at 3 and see if he's really worth the hype. Root at 4, stokes 5, pope 6, Buttler 7, Ali 8, Curran 9 , Broad, Anderson. Should be a strong batting lineup in England atleast.
 
For their next series:

1) Stoneman
2) Hameed
3) Moeen
4) Root (c)
5) Bairstow (wk)
6) Stokes
7) Buttler
8) Curran
9) Woakes
10) Rashid
11) Leach/Broad
 
For their next series:

1) Stoneman
2) Hameed
3) Moeen
4) Root (c)
5) Bairstow (wk)
6) Stokes
7) Buttler
8) Curran
9) Woakes
10) Rashid
11) Leach/Broad

Hameed has barely scored a first-class run in 18 months, there is no justification in picking him for England except some terrible case of affirmative action. He needs to regain his confidence and become first-choice for Lancs before England can even think of considering him again. He is young so I am sure there is a way back for him, but it will need lots of hard work.
 
It is a tough pick. We are yet to see how Sam Curran, Chris Woakes and Moeen Ali will perform outside Asia. At this point, for SL tour the first XI should be:-

Jennings(he got a hundred in India)
Bairstow
Bell
Root
Moeen
Stokes
Buttler(wkt)
Rashid
Woakes/Curran
Broad
Anderson
 
They're travelling to SL and WIN, so not much difficult series in the pipe.

Should try this

Jennings (New)
Bairstow (Experienced)
Moeen (Ex)
Root * (Ex)
Pope (New)
Stokes (Ex)
Buttler + (Ex)
 
Hameed has barely scored a first-class run in 18 months, there is no justification in picking him for England except some terrible case of affirmative action. He needs to regain his confidence and become first-choice for Lancs before England can even think of considering him again. He is young so I am sure there is a way back for him, but it will need lots of hard work.

The justification is that he clearly has the talent and did well in India. Since a tour of Sri Lanka is England's next assignment, they can afford to try out Hameed based on the above-mentioned factors. Who knows, maybe a return to the test team will inspire him to rediscover his previous form.
 
The justification is that he clearly has the talent and did well in India. Since a tour of Sri Lanka is England's next assignment, they can afford to try out Hameed based on the above-mentioned factors. Who knows, maybe a return to the test team will inspire him to rediscover his previous form.

And what message does that give to people like Rory Burns, James Vince, Joe Clarke et al, who have been scoring consistent runs in the Championship, if the selectors pick someone based on what he did 18 months ago even though he has forgotten to hold a bat since then ?
 
And what message does that give to people like Rory Burns, James Vince, Joe Clarke et al, who have been scoring consistent runs in the Championship, if the selectors pick someone based on what he did 18 months ago even though he has forgotten to hold a bat since then ?

Fair point. However, Vince in particular has been given enough chances already.
 
Finding 1 opener was proving to be a difficult task. I don't know how England will find another . A couple of the names mentioned have failed at international level already. That's a sign there isn't many choices for England.
 
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