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"English players happy to travel to Pakistan for PSL but as a group suddenly theyre spooked" :R Raja

Ramiz Raja on Sky News a short while ago:

Ramiz on TV

This is very disappointing. Now was the time for England to come to our help because that is what our small cricket fraternity usually does. It’s unfortunate and disappointing because this may have a domino affect and other teams may follow suit.

NZ have pulled out because of a bizarre security threat that wasn’t shared with our security agencies who are the most battle-hardened security forces in the world and now England have decided to pull out.

Whatever sacrifices we made last season to help England during Covid appear to have gone to waste so we have learnt a harsh lesson.

We have no clue regarding NZ, as quoting security is a very easy option to wriggle out of a tour and information wasn’t shared so that is why so many of us were frustrated with the way NZC withdrew from the tour.

Here ECB have quoted player fatigue and living in quarantine but the affect is that Pakistan needed England to tour just to show a bit of solidarity. It’s like the Asian bloc not playing against England for example because that it what we feel has happened here. NZ, England and maybe next in line will be Australia. So the Western bloc has decided not to tour Pakistan because of the perceived security threat and they are not willing to share it. It’s bizarre and disappointing and it’s a harsh lesson for us.

I’ve told the players for Pakistan now to become the best team in the world so no such excuses are presented by visiting teams because when the best team is in play then obviously everyone wants to play that team and we need to grow our cricket economy.

When it comes to PSL all these English players are quite happy to travel to Pakistan but as a group suddenly they are spooked by the situation and they are not willing to share it as well. It’s extremely frustrating.

We are a resilient cricket nation, we will survive, we will find a way which we always tend to do. This could be a mini road block for us but it’s just we feel cheated. We will raise our voice at the ICC. Hopefully this is just a blip and we will recover and we will fight back and survive.
 
Saj said:
Ramiz Raja on Sky News a short while ago:

Ramiz on TV

This is very disappointing. Now was the time for England to come to our help because that is what our small cricket fraternity usually does. It’s unfortunate and disappointing because this may have a domino affect and other teams may follow suit.

NZ have pulled out because of a bizarre security threat that wasn’t shared with our security agencies who are the most battle-hardened security forces in the world and now England have decided to pull out.

Whatever sacrifices we made last season to help England during Covid appear to have gone to waste so we have learnt a harsh lesson.

We have no clue regarding NZ, as quoting security is a very easy option to wriggle out of a tour and information wasn’t shared so that is why so many of us were frustrated with the way NZC withdrew from the tour.

Here ECB have quoted player fatigue and living in quarantine but the affect is that Pakistan needed England to tour just to show a bit of solidarity. It’s like the Asian bloc not playing against England for example because that it what we feel has happened here. NZ, England and maybe next in line will be Australia. So the Western bloc has decided not to tour Pakistan because of the perceived security threat and they are not willing to share it. It’s bizarre and disappointing and it’s a harsh lesson for us.

I’ve told the players for Pakistan now to become the best team in the world so no such excuses are presented by visiting teams because when the best team is in play then obviously everyone wants to play that team and we need to grow our cricket economy.

When it comes to PSL all these English players are quite happy to travel to Pakistan but as a group suddenly they are spooked by the situation and they are not willing to share it as well. It’s extremely frustrating.

We are a resilient cricket nation, we will survive, we will find a way which we always tend to do. This could be a mini road block for us but it’s just we feel cheated. We will raise our voice at the ICC. Hopefully this is just a blip and we will recover and we will fight back and survive.
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Although this statement was on the front foot, I like it and still has a statesman like tone
 
As individuals and when decent money is involved they are okay to come as they are making decisions as individuals and no restrictions from anyone just guidance.

However, when it comes to national team then decision comes down to board and national elements involving a lot more factors to come into play.

Neither NZ players had any issues as per the information available and most likely none or not many from Eng side as well but, as mentioned multiple factors (Including geo political elements) come into play when national team is involved.
 
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Am I right in thinking only 1 of England's 18 man touring party actually travelled to Pakistan for the PSL this year?
 
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HitWicket said:
Am I right in thinking only 1 of England's 18 man touring party actually travelled to Pakistan for the PSL this year?
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Cant remember exactlly but around 10 odd Englishmen came to play PSL. Just because not all in THIS touring squad, doesnt mean they arent English or their lives are less important than those in the Int squad.
 
What about those Australian and English tourists touring Pakistan and have travel channels on Youtube? They do not even have access to security like NZ cricket players.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Cant remember exactlly but around 10 odd Englishmen came to play PSL. Just because not all in THIS touring squad, doesnt mean they arent English or their lives are less important than those in the Int squad.
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True, but those individuals decision shouldn't then be extrapolated to completely different individuals. I believe Vince was the only member of the 18 who went to Pakistan this year.

I expect this was a board-level decision without much consultation of individual players anyway to be honest though making it even less relevant.
 
HitWicket said:
True, but those individuals decision shouldn't then be extrapolated to completely different individuals. I believe Vince was the only member of the 18 who went to Pakistan this year.

I expect this was a board-level decision without much consultation of individual players anyway to be honest though making it even less relevant.
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I dont think the English or the Kiwi players had any concerns. At any time any group could plan an attack on any nation, anyhwere. Threats are always there to some extent. Pakistan with all the security is actually safer for cricketers to tour than anywhere in the world. Its a political decision because of the humiliating defeat in Afghanistan.
 
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Not sure if it is appropriate for a PCB Chairman to be giving out YT videos. He spoke like a head of state here

Some snippets

- Previously our focus was on India, now i have directed the players to aim for England and NZ as well

- We have already written to the ICC complaining about NZ, but we will get compensation from them and i am giving it to you in writing that i will get compensation from them

- The biggest lesson for us from this experience is that we need to really strengthen our cricketing economy to have relevance

- We have gone out of our way to accomodate sides around the world both as tourists and as hosts but when it comes to taking people head on we will

So far all words, lets see if Ramiz can walk the talk and is not all bark as well. Him and WK can make a great combination
 
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The only clowns I see are the NZC and ECB. What's disgusting to me is all these Indian posters are enjoying the heck out of Pakistan's misery and justifying a stupid act but incompetent boards by making even more stupid comments. Sorry nu I have been reading these comments for quite a while and any sane person will not justify any act taken by NZC and the excuse ECB has given.
 
A few unnecessary comments like taking shots at individual England players, but overall I like where this is headed. It was embarassing for previous PCB administrations to kow-towing to these few boards and letting them run over PCB and the players.
 
It’s all because of that poxy Kashmir premier league.. now Pak are facing the wrath of the bcci.
 
Very good by Ramiz. Live like a lion for a day than a donkey for years. Mani or loud mouth Sethi would have kissed the boots of these big 4 teams.
 
Compensation? Surely he means that be will get the boards to tour within the next year if possible?

Suing these boards for not touring will end with PCB getting egg on the face and paying for their lawyers as well. [MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] I hope you remember what happened to PCB last time they tried this stunt.

These tours always have some clauses which include government clearance, risk assessment etc. Do you really think these boards are so dumb that they would have not taken all this into consideration.
 
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Good statement.

I'm liking the assertive tone used by Ramiz Raja and Wasim Khan.

You only give respect to those who treat you as equals. The Big 3 + NZ have made it clear they see Pakistan and its people below them until it's time to make a quick buck.
 
Anybody with a brain will understand that security situations are fluid. The Black caps came to Pakistan with the intention of playing and after getting relevant security clearances, but if later the security agencies advised them of an imminent threat why would any board risk the safety of their players just because the other board/govt is assuring them of safety? Particularly when 2 such previous incidents have already happened in the past? Lets face it, Pakistan does not have a stellar reputation where cricket team safety is concerned. Also with Taliban next door, situation is much different now than 6 months back when PSL was staged, so saying the players who played 6 months back are now refusing to play is ridiculous.

RR is understandably frustrated, but he should realize no board will risk the safety of their players in the face of even the slightest hint of danger in a country like Pakistan. And if he continues to berate the players who participated in PS for not touring now, he will not find much takers for PSL too.
 
Plan of Big 4 to destroy Pakistan cricket. PCB should withdraw from World Cup as a protest and let ICC loose some money.
 
I said on the other thread he speaks as if its his own YouTube channel calling out things/people unnecessarily. He needs to calm down.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Compensation? Surely he means that be will get the boards to tour within the next year if possible?

Suing these boards for not touring will end with PCB getting egg on the face and paying for their lawyers as well. [MENTION=2501]Savak[/MENTION] I hope you remember what happened to PCB last time they tried this stunt.

These tours always have some clauses which include government clearance, risk assessment etc. Do you really think these boards are so dumb that they would have not taken all this into consideration.
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India sued WICB after one of the test couldn’t take place due to
Players protest. That is loss of compensation. How is NZ case any different then.
 
Why these idiots took 72 hours to make decision? Cannot trust these British-American and their allies.
 
Shafi said:
Plan of Big 4 to destroy Pakistan cricket. PCB should withdraw from World Cup as a protest and let ICC loose some money.
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You really think ICC cares if Pakistan withdraws or not? Stop being delusional. Pak withdrawing will not hurt anyone.
 
ahmedzee said:
India sued WICB after one of the test couldn’t take place due to
Players protest. That is loss of compensation. How is NZ case any different then.
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India threatened to sue for $42 mn but then waived it off after WICB agreed to complete it in 2017. Also, there was no security threat or anything of the sort. It was a players' dispute.
 
in_cutter said:
You really think ICC cares if Pakistan withdraws or not? Stop being delusional. Pak withdrawing will not hurt anyone.
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Dude, ICC has literally said they make a disproportionate amount of money just from the 1 India-Pakistan game. Don't sell Pakistan short.
 
To be fair to England players & particularly those who've played in PSL and supported Pakistan cricket, they weren't asked for their opinion on touring Pakistan by the ECB. Most would probably have liked to have gone ahead with the tour of Pakistan if asked.

I have it on good authority that most of the England players weren't even asked by ECB for their opinion on touring Pakistan.
 
in_cutter said:
You really think ICC cares if Pakistan withdraws or not? Stop being delusional. Pak withdrawing will not hurt anyone.
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It hurts the sport of cricket,cricket already losing popularity worldwide, with one of the major teams of last 50 years not patricipating it will hurt the game further as well as followship by such a large population. Anyway this will not happen, Pakistan will not throw their toys out of the pram but will do their best to improve and raise their profile again by trying to win more .
I was not much fan of Ramiz but since he has joined Pakistan team his conerences have been brilliant. No beating around the bush,even though some boards will feel aggrieved,but they will also realise they can no longer use and abuse Pakistanis.
 
Someone explain to Mr. Raja, this decision is not made by the players of England or New Zealand. It's actually made by the boards on the advisory of their respective governments and intelligence agencies. Instead of going after the players the Pakistan government and ISI need to find the reason behind this advisory from these agencies.
 
Saj said:
To be fair to England players & particularly those who've played in PSL and supported Pakistan cricket, they weren't asked for their opinion on touring Pakistan by the ECB. Most would probably have liked to have gone ahead with the tour of Pakistan if asked.

I have it on good authority that most of the England players weren't even asked by ECB for their opinion on touring Pakistan.
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So the ECB could have asked for players that wanted to tour and if they had enough players, they could have gone ahead.
 
Extreme Pace said:
Someone explain to Mr. Raja, this decision is not made by the players of England or New Zealand. It's actually made by the boards on the advisory of their respective governments and intelligence agencies. Instead of going after the players the Pakistan government and ISI need to find the reason behind this advisory from these agencies.
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And how do suggest they do that if they are not willing to share where the threat came from, or if there was a credible threat
 
He is proving to be one jingoistic chairman which is doomsday for Pakistan.

"Previously our focus was on India, now i have directed the players to aim for England and NZ as well"

It would be one massive egg on his face, if Pakistan gets beaten by India, England and NZ in the World Cup which has a huge probability. Why would anyone even say such a thing?

Terrible. Didn't think I would say this, but I miss Ehsan Mani now. At least he wasn't this deluded to say such things.
 
shariqnoor said:
He is proving to be one jingoistic chairman which is doomsday for Pakistan.

"Previously our focus was on India, now i have directed the players to aim for England and NZ as well"

It would be one massive egg on his face, if Pakistan gets beaten by India, England and NZ in the World Cup which has a huge probability. Why would anyone even say such a thing?

Terrible. Didn't think I would say this, but I miss Ehsan Mani now. At least he wasn't this deluded to say such things.
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also disrespected Zimbabwe and BD teams saying they were ready to tour but we don't want that. Avoidable.

Wasim Khan's video was best
 
ahmedzee said:
India sued WICB after one of the test couldn’t take place due to
Players protest. That is loss of compensation. How is NZ case any different then.
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India sent a letter to WICB asking for compensation. WICB instead offered to tour India. That settled the matter.
 
I dont care if this means we stop playing the goras.

Earning respect is a difficult process and needs a lot of sacrifices along the way.

I know some people want us to go back to our old boot licking ways, but the current think tank of the country is not having it anymore and rightly so.
 
Saj said:
Ramiz Raja on Sky News a short while ago:

Ramiz on TV

This is very disappointing. Now was the time for England to come to our help because that is what our small cricket fraternity usually does. It’s unfortunate and disappointing because this may have a domino affect and other teams may follow suit.

NZ have pulled out because of a bizarre security threat that wasn’t shared with our security agencies who are the most battle-hardened security forces in the world and now England have decided to pull out.

Whatever sacrifices we made last season to help England during Covid appear to have gone to waste so we have learnt a harsh lesson.

We have no clue regarding NZ, as quoting security is a very easy option to wriggle out of a tour and information wasn’t shared so that is why so many of us were frustrated with the way NZC withdrew from the tour.

Here ECB have quoted player fatigue and living in quarantine but the affect is that Pakistan needed England to tour just to show a bit of solidarity. It’s like the Asian bloc not playing against England for example because that it what we feel has happened here. NZ, England and maybe next in line will be Australia. So the Western bloc has decided not to tour Pakistan because of the perceived security threat and they are not willing to share it. It’s bizarre and disappointing and it’s a harsh lesson for us.

I’ve told the players for Pakistan now to become the best team in the world so no such excuses are presented by visiting teams because when the best team is in play then obviously everyone wants to play that team and we need to grow our cricket economy.

When it comes to PSL all these English players are quite happy to travel to Pakistan but as a group suddenly they are spooked by the situation and they are not willing to share it as well. It’s extremely frustrating.

We are a resilient cricket nation, we will survive, we will find a way which we always tend to do. This could be a mini road block for us but it’s just we feel cheated. We will raise our voice at the ICC. Hopefully this is just a blip and we will recover and we will fight back and survive.
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He has lost it by attacking players.

Players don't decide as a group to tour or not tour. The decision is taken multiple levels above them.
 
I dont agree with everything he said but the hard hitting tone and the fact he says pakistan wont be walked over anymore pleases me

We need to move forward with some self respect
 
Zaz said:
I dont agree with everything he said but the hard hitting tone and the fact he says pakistan wont be walked over anymore pleases me

We need to move forward with some self respect
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It's straight up stupid and ignorant of the problem.

1) NZ, England and Aus aren't going to suddenly tour if Pakistan become the number 1 team in the world.

2) Those players can independently choose to go after weighing up the benefits ($$$), it's like any of us deciding whether we want to go to Pakistan or not except without the incentive of $$$. NZ government can advise them not to tour, but in the end it's the person to decide if they're okay with the risk. In regards to NZC, they're the ones who make the decision and they put the welfare of the players first and chose to leave.
 
He is very smart - saying exactly what the average Pakiatani fan is thinking.

Some cringeworthy statements to be honest. ECB was never going to tour after NZ backed down.
 
Zaz said:
Wow Theres a saying in urdu "ek to choree aur upar se seenazori"

First you commit a crime then blame the victim for lashing out Your elitist attitude is startling
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Didn’t they get threats for leaving the tour as well. Also how can you blame the team? They have nothing to gain putting their lives at stake after a threat. Is it real or a hoax is a separate matter that even now no one has a definite answer. Has Pak intelligence figured out the source and proved its a hoax?

All this for a pointless bilateral series. I would say good on the Nzl government to put the value of life of their citizens above everything else. These are the reasons why most desis even the affluent ones want to migrate to these countries. It’s the value of life they provide their people. It’s not like Pakistan or even India to an extent where people just die due to some negligence or something and no one cares.
 
Aman said:
Hopefully NZC cut all ties with Pakistan cricket until they get some competent administrators.
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Nah, it's actually a very frustrating situation for Pakistani officials, players, and fans. Fans are different, but players and officials should avoid attacking fellow players. It won't help Pakistan and it may make the situation worst.


It would have been fine if Eng had said they are canceling due to security, but I did not like fatigue, covid, etc as the reason. So many teams have played long series in covid. India was in Eng for 3-4 months and here I think there were just 2 T-20 games against Eng. You can literally play in 2 days and be done with it.
 
To add,

If Eng plays next year in Pakistan then this NZ/Eng calling it off right now will be just a blip. It won't matter.
 
Saurav said:
also disrespected Zimbabwe and BD teams saying they were ready to tour but we don't want that. Avoidable.

Wasim Khan's video was best
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I think Wasim Khan is the one who helped NZC organize NZ's departure from Pakistan. Think he's the official David White commended in dealing with this entire situation while Ramiz was running this anti-NZ and rest of the world campaign.
 
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Didn’t they get threats for leaving the tour as well. Also how can you blame the team? They have nothing to gain putting their lives at stake after a threat. Is it real or a hoax is a separate matter that even now no one has a definite answer. Has Pak intelligence figured out the source and proved its a hoax?

All this for a pointless bilateral series. I would say good on the Nzl government to put the value of life of their citizens above everything else. These are the reasons why most desis even the affluent ones want to migrate to these countries. It’s the value of life they provide their people. It’s not like Pakistan or even India to an extent where people just die due to some negligence or something and no one cares.
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Oh please Stop with this stupid narrative already
Even indians fans cant justify this unjustifiable act Its making you look silly

Its nz job to tell what the threat was As of todays nothings been shared or substantiated so its all pants

If there was an issue with security they would never have come in the first palce

Value of life of their own citizens but not the pakistani ones eh?

For you it mightve have been a pointless bilateral series but walking out just before the toss has undone years of pcb work on getting cricket home

It wouldve been mucb better and honest of them if they didnt agree to come in the first place.
 
Aman said:
I think Wasim Khan is the one who helped NZC organize NZ's departure from Pakistan. Think he's the official David White commended in dealing with this entire situation while Ramiz was running this anti-NZ and rest of the world campaign.
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Pakistan cricket doesnt need david white commendation on how to behave after the stunt theyve pulled Again here we have a thief playing the victim card

The pcb board dealt with the hosts immeccably like pakistan always does Its the ungrateful nature of the guests than im afraid left a lot to be desired
 
Over emotional statement from Cachu Ramiz Raja, needs to stop living in the world of being a YouTuber and realise he's now a chairman. Can't be putting pressure on the boys to perform with the pressure they are already in.
 
Oh, boy. This was cringey to watch.

Converting universal empathy and support from all around the cricketing world into pity and disdain.

Like Streisand Effect, people are gonna forget that NZC and ECB cancelled the tours abruptly but only remember the crazy talking heads.
 
Welcome to your future.

A few individuals will pimp themselves out to the PSL.

No western team will tour now that Pakistan has enabled the Taliban back to power.

Australia and England won’t tour and won’t even bother to properly justify it.

New Zealand won’t tour due to the slightest security concern.

The Pakistan government and ISI has dug Pakistan cricket into this hole, and only they can dig them back out.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
They are making their excuses already.

If they are hurt by harsh words then they really are just a bunch of snowflakes.

Usually these are the same guys championing freedom of speech.
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New generation Aussie snowFlakes

What about all of those people who toured Australia and were subjected to the most vile abuse by the spectators? Didn’t see them leaving mid tour!
 
Shoaibbtt said:
Over emotional statement from Cachu Ramiz Raja, needs to stop living in the world of being a YouTuber and realise he's now a chairman. Can't be putting pressure on the boys to perform with the pressure they are already in.
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If I were a Pakistan cricketer I would be so pumped right now to face New Zealand at least!

I am hoping Mohammad Rizwan blasts his usual 40 ball 60 odd and we can post 160+ and spin those ***** out!
 
Just because Ramiz is being emotional, does not mean he is wrong.

If you want PC, don’t lament the hypocrisy you see in the world today.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
India threatened to sue for $42 mn but then waived it off after WICB agreed to complete it in 2017. Also, there was no security threat or anything of the sort. It was a players' dispute.
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We all know security threat is not a reason in this case. WICB coming back for the tour was the middle ground. I wonder what would be the middle ground in this case.
 
It is fine that Ramiz Raja is assertive etc but again what he is talking about takes years to accomplish. Creating cricketing economy and becoming best team in the world does not happen overnight. Does this mean that the fans and board will resign to the fact that western teams will not tour until these happen? Reciprocal threat of not touring the Western teams does not work either as that will make sure Pakistan can only play bottom teams, so becoming best team in the world cannot happen.
 
Junaids said:
Welcome to your future.

A few individuals will pimp themselves out to the PSL.

No western team will tour now that Pakistan has enabled the Taliban back to power.

Australia and England won’t tour and won’t even bother to properly justify it.

New Zealand won’t tour due to the slightest security concern.

The Pakistan government and ISI has dug Pakistan cricket into this hole, and only they can dig them back out.
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Is the Pakistani government and ISI strong enough to defeat the worlds only super power through proxies? I mean surely if we have that sort of power then it shouldn't have been a problem keeping New Zealands B team safe and also getting to the source of the supposed threat.

Also lets not forget pre 9-11 when Taliban were in power and America wasnt in Afghanistan, Pakistan was a fairly peaceful country to tour
 
giri26 said:
It is fine that Ramiz Raja is assertive etc but again what he is talking about takes years to accomplish. Creating cricketing economy and becoming best team in the world does not happen overnight. Does this mean that the fans and board will resign to the fact that western teams will not tour until these happen? Reciprocal threat of not touring the Western teams does not work either as that will make sure Pakistan can only play bottom teams, so becoming best team in the world cannot happen.
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It took 12 years to bring Pakistan cricket back and all but 12 hours for the hard work to go down the drain.

Some are under the delusion that diplomacy works rationally. They forget that at its core, is the human element. And that operates emotionally.

You cannot build the future on a broken past. It hasn’t worked for any two groups in the past and you cannot undo human nature.

Pakistan cricket’s best course is to go to those boards that are themselves disenfranchised or an insolation. The Pakistani public will eat anything up but the PCB needs to think long-term.
 
giri26 said:
It is fine that Ramiz Raja is assertive etc but again what he is talking about takes years to accomplish. Creating cricketing economy and becoming best team in the world does not happen overnight. Does this mean that the fans and board will resign to the fact that western teams will not tour until these happen? Reciprocal threat of not touring the Western teams does not work either as that will make sure Pakistan can only play bottom teams, so becoming best team in the world cannot happen.
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I think Imran Khan needs to get involved. Maybe go and pay a visit to the PCB for a meeting with the PCB higher up's, cricketers and promise every resource monetary, non monetary support from the government to help the PCB deal with the cricketing and economic boycott from the Big 5.
 
Savak said:
I think Imran Khan needs to get involved. Maybe go and pay a visit to the PCB for a meeting with the PCB higher up's, cricketers and promise every resource monetary, non monetary support from the government to help the PCB deal with the cricketing and economic boycott from the Big 5.
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Yes, he must.
 
Aman said:
It's straight up stupid and ignorant of the problem.

1) NZ, England and Aus aren't going to suddenly tour if Pakistan become the number 1 team in the world.

2) Those players can independently choose to go after weighing up the benefits ($$$), it's like any of us deciding whether we want to go to Pakistan or not except without the incentive of $$$. NZ government can advise them not to tour, but in the end it's the person to decide if they're okay with the risk. In regards to NZC, they're the ones who make the decision and they put the welfare of the players first and chose to leave.
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Granted those boards won't tour if Pakistan does become the #1 team, but if Pakistan refuses to tour them then it will question the legitimacy of international cricket if these teams keep playing each and not said '#1 team'.

And anyway man, you've been whining about the attitude and actions of PCB and whatnot non-stop for the past few days. What do you care if Pakistan tours or not? Let the PCB be stupid and ignorant if they want to, you're not losing anything.
 
giri26 said:
It is fine that Ramiz Raja is assertive etc but again what he is talking about takes years to accomplish. Creating cricketing economy and becoming best team in the world does not happen overnight. Does this mean that the fans and board will resign to the fact that western teams will not tour until these happen? Reciprocal threat of not touring the Western teams does not work either as that will make sure Pakistan can only play bottom teams, so becoming best team in the world cannot happen.
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Maybe setup a strong domestic infrastructure like SA did during Apartheid years? Came back in '92 and went to SF of the WC... It's possible but obviously very unlikely.

If PCB and PCT as a whole commit to their words, then they should completely shift their focus away from big boards, focus on the smaller/weaker teams, create a robust domestic structure, and expand the PSL. Yes, if that happens fans will have to face some hard facts re: no big team tours as you mentioned but such is life I guess.
 
FastBowlingAllrounder said:
Granted those boards won't tour if Pakistan does become the #1 team, but if Pakistan refuses to tour them then it will question the legitimacy of international cricket if these teams keep playing each and not said '#1 team'.

And anyway man, you've been whining about the attitude and actions of PCB and whatnot non-stop for the past few days. What do you care if Pakistan tours or not? Let the PCB be stupid and ignorant if they want to, you're not losing anything.
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That's true, but you're not the one getting all these hate messages about your country across every social media feed.

Apparently Tom Latham's post with his first born child is being invaded by angry Pakistani fans.
 
FastBowlingAllrounder said:
Maybe setup a strong domestic infrastructure like SA did during Apartheid years? Came back in '92 and went to SF of the WC... It's possible but obviously very unlikely.

If PCB and PCT as a whole commit to their words, then they should completely shift their focus away from big boards, focus on the smaller/weaker teams, create a robust domestic structure, and expand the PSL. Yes, if that happens fans will have to face some hard facts re: no big team tours as you mentioned but such is life I guess.
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SA was helped a lot by a strong English county structure rather than their own domestic strength. SA might have had a good domestic structure but their exposure playing in county cricket which was at it's strongest in 70's and 80's helped them a lot when they came back. Still a strong domestic structure can help but how will you convince world cricket that you are a strong number 1 team without playing top teams? Just playing in WC's cannot get that respect.
 
Yet again, a display of total lack of professional leadership and crisis management skills by these bozos Ramiz & Wasim earning millions of rupees salaries with outwordly perks and benefits.

This fool Ramiz has been in rant & rage mode as if throwing tantrum will really force other cricketing boards to change their policies LOL. No coordinated, well thought out responses so far but only knee jerks statements - the lofty threat of "NZ will hear us at ICC" soon fizzled down to writing a protest letter to kiwi board and now preaching to the team to become world beaters not withstanding the fact that for the past decade Pak cricket languishing in ratings, has become a roll over for most major teams. This guy is a total idiot devoid of any top management leadership skills.
 
Araash said:
Yet again, a display of total lack of professional leadership and crisis management skills by these bozos Ramiz & Wasim earning millions of rupees salaries with outwordly perks and benefits.

This fool Ramiz has been in rant & rage mode as if throwing tantrum will really force other cricketing boards to change their policies LOL. No coordinated, well thought out responses so far but only knee jerks statements - the lofty threat of "NZ will hear us at ICC" soon fizzled down to writing a protest letter to kiwi board and now preaching to the team to become world beaters not withstanding the fact that for the past decade Pak cricket languishing in ratings, has become a roll over for most major teams. This guy is a total idiot devoid of any top management leadership skills.
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This is an irrelevant post by you unless you can compare and contrast the exact same situation faced by another country and cricket board who handled it fantastically and got the outcome they wanted
 
Ramiz Raja all rage and shots

Like a toddler throwing his toys out the pram.

Other boards are probably rolling on the floor laughing at the fiasco
 
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