Mir Hamza’s last test away was the Boxing Day test where he produced an iconic spell to run through the Aussie top order, including that big in-swinger that sent Head packing, widely regarded as the ball of the year.
You can’t bucket Ali, Abbas and M Hamza. Mir Hamza had a recent memorable game and fruitful series in Aus, where all our pacers historically get embarrassed. It didn’t need Einstein to ensure he played both tests against SA as these are ideal conditions for somebody like M Hamza
It’s not about pace his pace. I accept you don’t have to be express, but there has to be a minimum standard for specialist bowlers. 121-123k for the most part is abysmal. If you bowled that type of pace back in the day, you were a part timer. Like Ganguly, Graham gooch etc. On seam friendly tracks they could be useful too. However, you don’t have a frontline new ball bowler bowling those floaters.
Instead, he should have bowled 145 kph irrespective of wickets. Folks on here would be rooting for him because “pace is pace Yaar”, “he will be blow away teams in future soon”
Mir Hamza’s last test away was the Boxing Day test where he produced an iconic spell to run through the Aussie top order, including that big in-swinger that sent Head packing, widely regarded as the ball of the year.
One would have imagined his career would take off from there, but instead he’s only played 1 test against Bangladesh, where he was among the wickets again despite serval drop catches. Only in Pakistan these delusional thinks happen.
Another victim’s of “Pace is pace Yaar”.
No he’s not a 130k bowler - that’s his effort ball.
Aamer jamal is a garbage bowler. His Australian wickets were a fluke. He bowled all over the pitch and got lucky.
Same as above. We need to become a process and performance oriented country.
Forget domestic performances, even international performers are not rewarded
thats not how things work.
Sir, you are not ranting.
The Australia side that we played was garbage. Pakistan should had won that series or atleast a match. Its an aging side. Jamal was taking wickets just for fun only by his pace. I saw those games and i saw the pitch map of Jamal. The guy bowled all over the pitch.
Sir, he is a rubbish AR. He has a batting avg of 12 runs in List A games. Our worst ever allrounder, Faheem Ashraf, had a List A avg of 19 better than him.
im giving you proper reasoning, and you are giving me one liners, so how is it that i dont understand? I have fully elaborated on the issue with the guy which you choose to ignore.
Abbas is a front line bowler.Jamal is in the team becouse he can bat at 8 and can bowl decently as fourth pacer.
I am not sure what you’re talking about.
what are you not sure of?
Sir, You're absolutely right that fast bowlers need to be consistent with their line and length, but at the end of the day, players should be judged on performance, not opinions.
@TheSultan @Major This is all I need. I never said Jamal and Hamza are second coming of McGrath.
I told you guys.
Bro... Say more stuff like this more often...LOL
According to Abbas, he was dropped due to “lack of pace” by Mohd Wasim. He was told to bring his pace closer to 140 kph.
Amir was also a victim of Pakistani pace fetish. I can feel his pain.
Pakistan is probably the only team that plays 2 test match series on regular basis.
Mohammad Abbas delivers magic on his return—best Test figures for a Pakistani against South Africa!Mohammad Abbas makes a stunning comeback
Bowling nearly an entire inning from one end, he kept Pakistan in the hunt while defending 148 in 1st Test against South Africa
A result of glorifying the T20 or PSL superstars.
You didn’t address root cause.
Spot on.
You’re right about pace infatuation.
I actually think that even on flatter tracks he would have been better than our current crop of fast-bowlers because he knows how to bowl a tight line consistently. He doesn't give anything away even when he doesn't pick up wickets. But yes, in the right conditions he is absolutely lethal because what he lacks in pace, he more than makes up with his consistency and accuracy. Which is something that I feel even our best fast-bowlers lack in test matches. They just don't have the fitness or match practice to bowl multiple spells effectively.
If you select the top three fast bowlers of the last three QeA seasons you will automatically ignore this obsession with pace as our stats also show that pace is not everything.
Use of statistics? rewarding consistency in domestic? This is kryptonite for our opinion based culture. In a pace obsessed nation, some quip it’s “embarrassing” to have a pacer below 130 kph..
I am sorry but Mohammad Ali is not 135-140 he’s the perfect example that all domestic performers are not cut for international cricket
What does he mean by "those", one of those people was his buddy Wahab Riaz who thought he bowled too slow.
I’ve seen plenty of posts trying to explain the “low pace but still effective” phenomenon in a country obsessed with the fast-food equivalent of cricket: sheer pace. Naturally, someone doing better in the second innings must be because he was “quicker,” right?
I keep hearing this myth that you *need* more pace to succeed on flat pitches. Where’s the evidence? A tighter bowler will outshine almost anywhere.
Well yes, his average speed in the second innings was 126.
Usually when a batter is getting beaten, it feels faster. That’s why wayward fast bowlers who have no variation “feel/look slower” than speed guns says.
I'm not going to dismiss your claim about the skepticism around speed guns. Because I question it too oftentimes. It's also possible that the ball was generating more pace off the surface in the second innings. But at the same time it's also not that difficult to believe that he was just bowling quicker. It's fairly natural for fast-bowlers to dial up their pace when they are pumped up and bowling well in those types of high-pressure situation. And considering he is not express to begin with, I don't find it particularly hard to believe that he was able to dial up the pace and sustain it throughout that spell.
Two main factors we bowled better in 2023 was the Aus pitches were more supporting to bowlers and second their was no Yasir Shah. Shah regularly went 6 an over and regularly released pressure and the game pacers never got enough rest to bowl at their best
Without data, it’s just speculation either way.
The reason why Pakistani fast bowlers bowled better in 2023 was because they were better bowlers than those who toured before. Amir Jamal, K Shahzad, and Mir Hamza had nearly a 1000 FC wickets between them. Shaheen, Naseem and Musa had under 50. Around the same time better skilled Indian bowlers did totally fine there too.
The pitches in Australia in 2019 were much flatter than they are now, with little to no seam movement to speak of. Misbah was off his rocker selecting three youngsters with barely any FC experience for Australia, simply because they had "pace", but I highly doubt Abbas would have done any better even if he played both matches and was at full fitness. Its also unfair to paint Misbah in this light considering he is the one who is the one who first started backing Abbas-like hardworking, seam bowlers in the UAE that were coming off good FC performances.
