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We had a thread stating "Excuses when England beat Pakistan this summer?". We were mocking and making fun of all sorts.

But looking at our performance, it's we who should be ashamed. The young team drew the series and we?

Winning and losing is part of the game, but we made fun of Pakistan.

And, now it's our fans who are making horrible and illogical excuses in the match threads. Shame!😢
 
Lets begin the excuses. We missed Bumrah, we missed Bhuvi, Kohli is not a good captain, Rahul didn't open, Rahane was out of form
 
Kohli said:
Lets begin the excuses. We missed Bumrah, we missed Bhuvi, Kohli is not a good captain, Rahul didn't open, Rahane was out of form
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More than bowlers your batsmen should do better. We always hear about the mighty Indian batting line up but thori si bowl move hui aur phus ho gaye. Really yar even the youngest Rahul has 25 tests under is belt. They should do better over the period of 5 tests in late summer.
 
Kohli said:
Lets begin the excuses. We missed Bumrah, we missed Bhuvi, Kohli is not a good captain, Rahul didn't open, Rahane was out of form
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No excuses only bhuvi might have played starting xi. Shami, Ishant and Ashwin are first choice bowlers in test cricket for us. Hardik Pandya is permanent all rounder we have.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
How do you play 85mph fast leg spin?
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It was one of the most senseless excuse.
And, other patriotic fan defied statistics. He stated Pak won 1 test, so if India wins 1 in 5, it will be equal to it. How can winning 1 in 2 and, winning 1 in 5 ever be equal?

How biased or how ignorant can one be?

Even I was very hopeful of 3-1 or 4-1 to India, but it doesn't look that way. But, as a fan you should accept that you are not that good, rather our fellows go out of logic, senses and truth just to show they are patriotic.
 
Series is still on. Rain has saved India. Otherwise it would have been difficult to come back from 2-0. India should be thanking the rain Gods
 
1) "Our bowlers were injured. "

- Well too bad because instead of your bowlers, it is the notorious Indian batting lineup that has YET again let you down. Not a single half good batsman in the entire XI other than the skipper. Dhawan, Vijay, Pujara and KL are quite frankly not international material outside Asia.

2) "Kohli made the wrong decisions as captain"

- There's little a captains decisions can do when batsman are falling left, right and center around him like a pack of cards. Catches going down, wrong lengths being bowled, fatigued fielders and worst of all, batsmen like KL, Pandya, Dhawan and DK fishing outside off-stump - school level stuff.
 
We lost tosses in first two games, which shifted the complete momentum of the series. Also, we were unlucky to bat mostly in overcast conditions.
 
Ab Fan said:
We lost tosses in first two games, which shifted the complete momentum of the series. Also, we were unlucky to bat mostly in overcast conditions.
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Excuses... And kohli said he wanted to ball too in first test lol. :inti
 
Excuse: ICC have made us have to tour places like England, S.A and Australia once i a while, even though we don't want to.
 
Will people at least wait till the Test series is complete?

Its a 5 Test series and only 1 Test is done. The 2nd one seems to be a draw.

OP might regret if India manages to win the series.
 
troodon said:
Will people at least wait till the Test series is complete?

Its a 5 Test series and only 1 Test is done. The 2nd one seems to be a draw.

OP might regret if India manages to win the series.
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Why will I regret dear brother?, I will be the first one to jump. It's just that I am blaming the double standards, whereas it's we who are making excuses now. I am trying to say, let's accept we haven't performed better this will help us to prepare better for the upcoming matches.

The lame excuses in the match thread made me open this thread. I myself predicted 4-1 to India.
 
troodon said:
Will people at least wait till the Test series is complete?

Its a 5 Test series and only 1 Test is done. The 2nd one seems to be a draw.

OP might regret if India manages to win the series.
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Big time regret
 
Kohli said:
Why will I regret dear brother?, I will be the first one to jump. It's just that I am blaming the double standards, whereas it's we who are making excuses now. I am trying to say, let's accept we haven't performed better this will help us to prepare better for the upcoming matches.

The lame excuses in the match thread made me open this thread. I myself predicted 4-1 to India.
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Our Test batting is in shambles. In subcontinent, even Shikhar Dhawan can score centuries for fun.

But the trio of Vijay/Rahane/Pujara have been badly out of form for a while. Vijay has lost it. Rahane is massively overrated. Pujara has regressed. He was never a good player on overseas conditions.

With 3 of the Top 5 badly out of form and Rahul who looks like he is carrying Himalayas on his shoulders, our team is Kohli or bust. All of these can be easily masked when playing in Asia.

We still deserve No.1 because we maul touring teams at home and compete better against other teams in seaming conditions.

Our batting is exposed again in England. Nothing new. We have been playing the same set of players for the past few years in Tests. Time to blood in a few Youngsters.
 
troodon said:
Our Test batting is in shambles. In subcontinent, even Shikhar Dhawan can score centuries for fun.

But the trio of Vijay/Rahane/Pujara have been badly out of form for a while. Vijay has lost it. Rahane is massively overrated. Pujara has regressed. He was never a good player on overseas conditions.

With 3 of the Top 5 badly out of form and Rahul who looks like he is carrying Himalayas on his shoulders, our team is Kohli or bust. All of these can be easily masked when playing in Asia.

We still deserve No.1 because we maul touring teams at home and compete better against other teams in seaming conditions.

Our batting is exposed again in England. Nothing new. We have been playing the same set of players for the past few years in Tests. Time to blood in a few Youngsters.
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There you go, now you make sense. I accept our batting is weak. We need to include much better players. Above all we need to play atleast two 4 day practice games before the series starts, rather we removed 1 day from the 1 practice game we were having.

I made this thread for our "patriotic" fans who were jumping all around stating how you play 85 mph leg spin?, Pakistan winning 1 in 2 and, India winning 1 in 5 is same, etc.,
 
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There wont be any excuses...India winning it 3-1 or 2-1. This team has capacity...now only if some people learn to have patience to wait until the series is over :inti
 
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Having said all about Pak, back to India. They are a good team and don't need excuses but just to perform and give credit when outplayed which am sure they will. India are strong all round: batting, bowling, keeping and captaincy. Only weakness might be mental strength by some..maybe?
 
Series is still wide open and first game could have gone either way easily..was close. India can still win.
 
Sam99 said:
Excuses... And kohli said he wanted to ball too in first test lol. :inti
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Under aggressive captaincy of Kohli, it was a masterstroke strategy to bring fear inside the rival captain, Root that he had made a mistake of opting to bat.
 
Get rid of Shashtri, he isn't a proper coach. Can't understand why India keep choosing him as a coach when there are far better coach than him.

Kholi shouldn't be a captain, he does not know how to select team.

Excuse if India were to lose, ' come to India and we will show you'
 
Poor indian batting aside, I think we can all agree that it would be unfair if Eng get to bat under bright sunny conditions tomorrow after the overcast hell of Mordor we've just seen today...
 
Seriously - I don’t know why people are giving Kholi so much credit - in the first test he had about 5 chances! You don’t get that often.
 
Indians are too used to playing with hard hands on pitches which offer nothing for the bowlers, they cannot cope in conditions where they have to exhibit 1960's-70's type test cricket and don't have the technique for it either.

Also tough to play Anderson in these conditions, he has demolished the very best.
 
Where is the heat wave, we were promised for? :aag [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] :yk
 
Vegitto1 said:
Seriously - I don’t know why people are giving Kholi so much credit - in the first test he had about 5 chances! You don’t get that often.
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Pretty sure if you watch highlights 5 more times the chances kohli got will reach 10
 
Thomaskutty said:
Poor indian batting aside, I think we can all agree that it would be unfair if Eng get to bat under bright sunny conditions tomorrow after the overcast hell of Mordor we've just seen today...
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There was sunshine after 5pm when India lost wickets in a cluster.

The pitch has offered a lot of seam movement but usually Days 2 and 3 are best for batting at Lord's.
 
Winning or losing is irrelevant as long as our friends here think India is full of world class players like Hardik Pandya.
 
I know it shouldn't be used as an excuse by India, but I can feel that England have been actively trying to make seaming pitches since 2014 when India tours.

I remember India were being too vocal about England giving them club level pacers and flat pitches in practice matches and green tops in the actual Tests when they toured England in 2011. When England toured India in 2012, Kohli was pretty vocal about giving England their own dose of medicine by giving them flat pitches for practice matches without any proper spinners. India surprisingly did that and famously Amit Mishra, the sole spinner in the practice match was asked not to bowl much and he only bowled 6-7 overs on the first day. I remember Cook saying in return that although we shouldn't be looking to use it as an excuse but we have got the message what India are trying to do. England surprisingly won that Test series 2-1. When India toured England in 2014, after the first 2 Tests, there was a conscious effort from England to make green tops, and the last 2 Tests ended inside 3 days I think with India bundling out for 100 odd.

What I am trying to say is that when any other Asian team tours England for example Pakistan and Sri Lanka, England don't usually play up with conditions and their ground staff usually makes the normal English pitches that the ground would have, but when India tours, they actively try to produce seaming ones with moisture. Don't know whether England are firing back at India with their 2012 tactics or they just consider India a larger threat than Pak or SL, or just because of the magnitude of the series between 2 of the biggest cricketing nations and boards.

Even so, don't think this should be used as an excuse and India should be looking to "get the message" that Cook and his team did in 2012, and look to win the series against all odds.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
I know it shouldn't be used as an excuse by India, but I can feel that England have been actively trying to make seaming pitches since 2014 when India tours.

I remember India were being too vocal about England giving them club level pacers and flat pitches in practice matches and green tops in the actual Tests when they toured England in 2011. When England toured India in 2012, Kohli was pretty vocal about giving England their own dose of medicine by giving them flat pitches for practice matches without any proper spinners. India surprisingly did that and famously Amit Mishra, the sole spinner in the practice match was asked not to bowl much and he only bowled 6-7 overs on the first day. I remember Cook saying in return that although we shouldn't be looking to use it as an excuse but we have got the message what India are trying to do. England surprisingly won that Test series 2-1. When India toured England in 2014, after the first 2 Tests, there was a conscious effort from England to make green tops, and the last 2 Tests ended inside 3 days I think with India bundling out for 100 odd.

What I am trying to say is that when any other Asian team tours England for example Pakistan and Sri Lanka, England don't usually play up with conditions and their ground staff usually makes the normal English pitches that the ground would have, but when India tours, they actively try to produce seaming ones with moisture. Don't know whether England are firing back at India with their 2012 tactics or they just consider India a larger threat than Pak or SL, or just because of the magnitude of the series between 2 of the biggest cricketing nations and boards.

Even so, don't think this should be used as an excuse and India should be looking to "get the message" that Cook and his team did in 2012, and look to win the series against all odds.
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Did u even see the pitches Pakistan got, both teams batting first were bundled out on day 1
 
Let's get real, OK? Yes, Indian batters played poorly but the thing is condition was extremely difficult for batting yesterday. Just dish out a dust bowl to this England team where ball will turn square from second over then see what happens to them.

This is just unnatural . We saw banana swing even on 50th over in the first test. It got even worse in the second test. Condition was totally unsuitable for cricket yesterday.
 
There are no excuses but the sad truth for the last 40 years of indian cricket is that Indian team always flatter to deceive.. We build massive superstars who bully at home on flat decks or sinning tracks but when these same superstars go abroad they play like tailenders..

This has been going on since last 40 years so it’s nothing new.. Everytime after a wonderful home season fans build up their expectations to donwell in Aus/SA or England and then our players get exposed badly.. One or two player can perform well in a test like Kohli, Dravid or Sachin but together they never perform as a team in the same test match..

After getting embarrassed in first couple of tests the team the team then manages to salvage a draw or a victory and fans think that this team is great.

Unfortunate truth about indian cricket is that we are just not good enough, have never been and will probably never be..

Indians are meant to be semi decent engineers and doctors we are not meant for sports even a less demanding sport like cricket is out of our forte.. That is the harsh truth the sooner people accept better for them.
 
big_gamer007 said:
There are no excuses but the sad truth for the last 40 years of indian cricket is that Indian team always flatter to deceive.. We build massive superstars who bully at home on flat decks or sinning tracks but when these same superstars go abroad they play like tailenders..

This has been going on since last 40 years so it’s nothing new.. Everytime after a wonderful home season fans build up their expectations to donwell in Aus/SA or England and then our players get exposed badly.. One or two player can perform well in a test like Kohli, Dravid or Sachin but together they never perform as a team in the same test match..

After getting embarrassed in first couple of tests the team the team then manages to salvage a draw or a victory and fans think that this team is great.

Unfortunate truth about indian cricket is that we are just not good enough, have never been and will probably never be..

Indians are meant to be semi decent engineers and doctors we are not meant for sports even a less demanding sport like cricket is out of our forte.. That is the harsh truth the sooner people accept better for them.
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Jeez....Relax Bro its just a sport :facepalm:
 
Ok so English creates difficult pitches for India, compared to Pakistan and SL?
Keep them coming.

I am confused whether to cry at my team's performance or laugh at these blind "patriotic" fans, who'll say there team was betrayed, if not they'd have won 5-0, with 2 innings wins.
 
Kohli said:
Ok so English creates difficult pitches for India, compared to Pakistan and SL?
Keep them coming.

I am confused whether to cry at my team's performance or laugh at these blind "patriotic" fans, who'll say there team was betrayed, if not they'd have won 5-0, with 2 innings wins.
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Bro i am not even an Indian in the first place :P it's coming from a neutral. I never said they would have beaten England 5-0 if pitches were better. They might have still lost like they did in the third test 2014, getting out to Moeen Ali. Just saying that England seems to be a bit neutral towards SL and Pak.
And yes, I am a Pakistani.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
I know it shouldn't be used as an excuse by India, but I can feel that England have been actively trying to make seaming pitches since 2014 when India tours.

I remember India were being too vocal about England giving them club level pacers and flat pitches in practice matches and green tops in the actual Tests when they toured England in 2011. When England toured India in 2012, Kohli was pretty vocal about giving England their own dose of medicine by giving them flat pitches for practice matches without any proper spinners. India surprisingly did that and famously Amit Mishra, the sole spinner in the practice match was asked not to bowl much and he only bowled 6-7 overs on the first day. I remember Cook saying in return that although we shouldn't be looking to use it as an excuse but we have got the message what India are trying to do. England surprisingly won that Test series 2-1. When India toured England in 2014, after the first 2 Tests, there was a conscious effort from England to make green tops, and the last 2 Tests ended inside 3 days I think with India bundling out for 100 odd.

What I am trying to say is that when any other Asian team tours England for example Pakistan and Sri Lanka, England don't usually play up with conditions and their ground staff usually makes the normal English pitches that the ground would have, but when India tours, they actively try to produce seaming ones with moisture. Don't know whether England are firing back at India with their 2012 tactics or they just consider India a larger threat than Pak or SL, or just because of the magnitude of the series between 2 of the biggest cricketing nations and boards.

Even so, don't think this should be used as an excuse and India should be looking to "get the message" that Cook and his team did in 2012, and look to win the series against all odds.
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There has been nothing wrong with the pitches in both Tests. Its all been the overhead conditions. Unless you believe England have the ability to tamper with the conditions above, this has to be most silly post in this thread so far.
 
Adijazz1706 said:
Did u even see the pitches Pakistan got, both teams batting first were bundled out on day 1
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Let me clarify again, I am not an Indian who is looking to downplay Pakistan(my team)'s performance.
We haven't seen these green tops in a Pak-England series in England since 2010. In 2010, our bowlers totally decimated England continuously, only for our partisan batters to fall down like a house of cards.

The pitches we got in 2016 and 2018 were far from those we got in 2010.
 
There are no excuses. There is no need for them because nobody cares.

To treat an important tour to a leading test playing nation as a 'bench-testing exercise' is the height of arrogance and disrespect to the opponent. Kohli and that ***** Shastri have shamed the country and we will all pay for it by having our noses rubbed to the ground.

Mark my words, Pakistan is going to give us the thrashing we deserve in the Asia cup. Only that will wake us up. I really wish it happens.
 
Usman Chadda said:
There has been nothing wrong with the pitches in both Tests. Its all been the overhead conditions. Unless you believe England have the ability to tamper with the conditions above, this has to be most silly post in this thread so far.
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A combination of both I think. The rain has helped add and retain moisture in the pitch, hence the seam movement. I never said there is something wrong with the pitch, they have been result oriented wickets. The pitches we got in 2010 were green tops in the first 2 Tests, hence leading to 3-3.5 day Tests.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Bro i am not even an Indian in the first place :P it's coming from a neutral. I never said they would have beaten England 5-0 if pitches were better. They might have still lost like they did in the third test 2014, getting out to Moeen Ali. Just saying that England seems to be a bit neutral towards SL and Pak.
And yes, I am a Pakistani.
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Lol, when did I quote you, let alone calling you an Indian? Yes, neutral towards Pakistan depsite Pakistan drawing the series and harsh towards us despite we losing at our home, not just away.

I would be more sharp towards my difficult enemy, rather than a silly one. These are jus EXCUSES, which any team can make.

And, I don't understand why u are stating me ur citizenship, when I didn't even tag u or asked ur nation. Lol. Chill
 
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BunnyRabbit said:
A combination of both I think. The rain has helped add and retain moisture in the pitch, hence the seam movement. I never said there is something wrong with the pitch, they have been result oriented wickets. The pitches we got in 2010 were green tops in the first 2 Tests, hence leading to 3-3.5 day Tests.
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Yeah 2010 was bad. Anderson was frightening in that series. Probably the one time people realized Imran Farhat was a far better player of swing bowling than Salman Butt.
 
Kohli said:
Lol, when did I quote you, let alone calling you an Indian? Yes, neutral towards Pakistan depsite Pakistan drawing the series and harsh towards us despite we losing at our home, not just away.

I would be more sharp towards my difficult enemy, rather than a silly one. These are jus EXCUSES, which any team can make.

And, I don't understand why u are stating me ur citizenship, when I didn't even tag u or asked ur nation. Lol. Chill
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I guess cause I was the only one who stated that England might have been consciously trying to make green tops against India :P
 
Usman Chadda said:
Yeah 2010 was bad. Anderson was frightening in that series. Probably the one time people realized Imran Farhat was a far better player of swing bowling than Salman Butt.
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That was probably the worst batting lineup we have ever fielded in overseas Tests. Butt, Farhat, Hameed, Umar Amin, Shoaib Malik(Tests+England), Kamran. The only good player was Azhar Ali and the guy was playing his debut series. Umar Akmal was decent back then.
 
It’s being going on for decades we flatter to deceive after a great home season..
The expectations always are high mostly because our media and ex players make players into superstars after the home season and fans get high expectations.

Earlier our bowling was crap now our batting is crap.. We just can’t seem to find a good team..

Cricket is the only sport we play and spend billions on it still can’t compete against B grade athletes of smaller nations with 1/20th our population.
 
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India only concentrate on ODI’s and T20’s and beat England in those series...
Oh wait...
 
mp812rediff said:
Pretty sure if you watch highlights 5 more times the chances kohli got will reach 10
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Pretty sure if you watch the second test highlights 5 more times, Kohli's score would still not cross hundred in either innings :)

Kohli ki bohat buri tarah khul gayi!
 
"It rained"

"It's cloudy"

"England only make these pitches for India"

"Bhuvi, the perfect match winner is missing"

etc etc
 
gani999 said:
There are no excuses. There is no need for them because nobody cares.

To treat an important tour to a leading test playing nation as a 'bench-testing exercise' is the height of arrogance and disrespect to the opponent. Kohli and that ***** Shastri have shamed the country and we will all pay for it by having our noses rubbed to the ground.

Mark my words, Pakistan is going to give us the thrashing we deserve in the Asia cup. Only that will wake us up. I really wish it happens.
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Calm down. We have to play 3 more tests against England before Asia Cup. :inti
 
The better team in these conditions is winning. India can't have any excuses. They have performed poorly so far.
 
gani999 said:
There are no excuses. There is no need for them because nobody cares.

To treat an important tour to a leading test playing nation as a 'bench-testing exercise' is the height of arrogance and disrespect to the opponent. Kohli and that ***** Shastri have shamed the country and we will all pay for it by having our noses rubbed to the ground.

Mark my words, Pakistan is going to give us the thrashing we deserve in the Asia cup. Only that will wake us up. I really wish it happens.
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Asia cup will be completely different. In UAE ball wont move like England and against white kookaburra ball under Asian conditions most of our batsman will be back to form. Infact most team will find it tough to get past our top order. Then after that when we tour Aust/NZ in winter, you will find our players struggling again.
 
The glare of the oil moeen used on his beard clearly blinded the indian batsmen from seeing the ball.

This should be added to excuses list.
 
Just ask [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] - I'm sure he has a list of excuses which he will happily regurgitate for you.

Give him a little while to respond though. He is currently busy bragging about how great this Indian team is after losing to England, compared to the useless Pakistani team which drew the series with England last year :afaq

#CJLogic
 
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