Faheem Ashraf / Amad Butt / Shadab Khan - How good are they as all-rounders?

[Obstructing_the_field]

Fahim Ashraf / Ammad Butt / Shadab Khan, the trio seem to be on the ladder to be good all-round cricketer... are they ready for international cricket?

whats their strong suit?
how strong they r , technically (in bowling / batting) and mentally?

thoughts?

 

[Boi]

Fahim and Ammad are pretty average. Shadab is the one to watch. Very talented kid, his bowling needs a bit more improvement though.

 

[Madplayer]

Ammad butt can be a 145+ bowler. His batting isnt that good though. He can be a bowling all rounder.

 

[Obstructing_the_field]

i hope they r not a replica of anwar ali / bilawal bhatti ..

 

[Obstructing_the_field]

any videos of both?

 

[MMHS]

All 3 can be great, can be poor - but that we'll know if they are given chance, that too when they are below 25 ...

What little I have seen, I'll pick Fahim for ODI squad at least.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Amad Butt and Shadab both have alot of potential.


Amad this season is in poor form and is suffering from severe confidence deficit hence he is below average.


Amongst all pace allrounders only Amad can become decent test allrounder. (Only fast medium allrounder in Pakistan)


Shadab & Kamran will be competing for one spot in Limited overs spot. Competition is tough and currently Shadab is in radar. Height gives Shadab an edge plus leggies are game changers.

 

[Justcrazy]

Fahim looks good with both bat and ball.

Shadab is a bowling all rounder , Amad is fast bowling all rounder.

Imad Wasim , Zafar Gohar , nawaz are already there , so Shadab will find it tough.

Amad and fahim both can play in same XI

 

[Obstructing_the_field]

wont pack too many allrounders in a team though.... between imad / nawaz / shadab, we need to play 2..... between fahim / ammad, we need to play 1....

imad / shadab / fahim / aamir / wahab / ammad / malik / sarfraz / babar / sharjeel / azhar / ..... the playing XI ?

 

[Nado_]

wont pack too many allrounders in a team though.... between imad / nawaz / shadab, we need to play 2..... between fahim / ammad, we need to play 1....

imad / shadab / fahim / aamir / wahab / ammad / malik / sarfraz / babar / sharjeel / azhar / ..... the playing XI ?

Remember Aamer yaamin, y was he dropped from squad, he has done nothing wrong

 

[Hasan123]

Wouldn't mind gambling with Shadab in the odi series vs Australia, always want a leg break in my LO side.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

Out of the trio only Shadab can be termed as genuine allrounders where as Fahim Ashraf will more likely end up Anwar Ali 2.0 slighter better edition.

 

[Sports_Psychologist]

Fahim Ashraf ALL-ROUNDER!!! A BIG JOKE..

I guess Pakistani selectors don't know what it means to be an ALLROUNDER the the guy has a list A batting average of 14 and 10 in T20's and they call him an ALLROUNDER this is absolute rubbish the guy can't bowl and can't bat...

 

[Madplayer]

I guess Pakistani selectors don't know what it means to be an ALLROUNDER the the guy has a list A batting average of 14 and 10 in T20's and they call him an ALLROUNDER this is absolute rubbish the guy can't bowl and can't bat...

From what i have seen of him, he isn't good especially with the bat. I dont know whether he has improved since but my first impressions were that he was mediocre.

 

[Square Drive]

Has an FC batting average of 32-odd does Fahim, so there is potential.

Can make a good #9 provided his bowling is upto the mark.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Has an FC batting average of 32-odd does Fahim, so there is potential.

Can make a good #9 provided his bowling is upto the mark.

All-rounder at 9.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Fahim is a nothing bowler so he better be a damn good batsman.

 

[Square Drive]

All-rounder at 9.

He's quite clearly a bowling all-rounder, judging by his stats. And even then his batting doesn't seem too sharp, although there seems to be enough potential (again, solely judging by stats as I haven't seen him play) for him to be a #9.

England have the likes of Adil Rashid at #10, and I'd be happy if Fahim can even match Rashid's batting.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

He's quite clearly a bowling all-rounder, judging by his stats. And even then his batting doesn't seem too sharp, although there seems to be enough potential (again, solely judging by stats as I haven't seen him play) for him to be a #9.

England have the likes of Adil Rashid at #10, and I'd be happy if Fahim can even match Rashid's batting.

Rashid is playing as a bowler. His batting is a bonus.

Only genuine bowlers can bat at 9 and he isn't one. If he's not up to par as a batsman then it is another pointless selection from Inzi.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Ammad butt isnt an all rounder , I havent seen fahim bat so cant say.

Shadab is the real deal.

 

[Square Drive]

Rashid is playing as a bowler. His batting is a bonus.

Only genuine bowlers can bat at 9 and he isn't one. If he's not up to par as a batsman then it is another pointless selection from Inzi.

That's exactly what Fahim's stats suggest about him.

Admittedly, I haven't seen him live so if you're suggesting Fahim isn't a genuine bowler, you've probably seen him play.

I hope for Pakistan's sake we have a player here who can average around 28 with the ball and 15-20 with the bat at a SR of 90+.

 

[Ellipsism]

That's exactly what Fahim's stats suggest about him.

Admittedly, I haven't seen him live so if you're suggesting Fahim isn't a genuine bowler, you've probably seen him play.

I hope for Pakistan's sake we have a player here who can average around 28 with the ball and 15-20 with the bat at a SR of 90+.

He's a soft medium pacer, far from being a genuine bowler.

 

[Ellipsism]

Ammad butt isnt an all rounder , I havent seen fahim bat so cant say.

Shadab is the real deal.

From what I've seen of his batting he has potential and a solid technique, better than I expected.

 

[Square Drive]

He's a soft medium pacer, far from being a genuine bowler.

Bowling stats are good.

What exactly is his pace like?

 

[Rayyman]

That's exactly what Fahim's stats suggest about him.

Admittedly, I haven't seen him live so if you're suggesting Fahim isn't a genuine bowler, you've probably seen him play.

I hope for Pakistan's sake we have a player here who can average around 28 with the ball and 15-20 with the bat at a SR of 90+.

That's exactly what Mohammad Amir does; But we need a genuine all-rounder if anything. We have much better bowlers than Fahim Ashraf. That's for sure.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

From what I've seen of his batting he has potential and a solid technique, better than I expected.

Correct assessment. He's very raw at the moment. Probably need another 4-5 years.

 

[Square Drive]

That's exactly what Mohammad Amir does; But we need a genuine all-rounder if anything. We have much better bowlers than Fahim Ashraf. That's for sure.

I'd like to think of Imad & Shadab as genuine all-rounders.

As far as genuine pace ARs go, Yamin & Hammad would've been better picks but guess we have to settle for Ashraf.

 

[Rayyman]

I'd like to think of Imad & Shadab as genuine all-rounders.

As far as genuine pace ARs go, Yamin & Hammad would've been better picks but guess we have to settle for Ashraf.

Yea well... he (Ashraf) does have two 1st-class hundreds so he's not a tailender.

 

[Hasan123]

Shadab is the one to watch out for and will get his chance 1st, the other 2 I haven't seen much off and may have to wait for there chance.

 

[Square Drive]

Yea well... he (Ashraf) does have two 1st-class hundreds so he's not a tailender.

Which is exactly why I think he'll make a good #9 (provided he can bowl well), with Amir and Hasan at #10 and #11 respectively. Would make our tail extremely strong.

 

[MMHS]

All 3 can be great, can be poor - but that we'll know if they are given chance, that too when they are below 25 ...

What little I have seen, I'll pick Fahim for ODI squad at least.

Looks like wish granted.

 

[Ellipsism]

Bowling stats are good.

What exactly is his pace like?

130-132 km/h, tops

 

[Square Drive]

130-132 km/h, tops

Damn, his first goal then should be to get as close to finishing his full quota as possible.

 

[Ellipsism]

That's exactly what Mohammad Amir does; But we need a genuine all-rounder if anything. We have much better bowlers than Fahim Ashraf. That's for sure.

Of course king Amir is capable of everything except taking wickets

 

[DRsohail]

Guy has gone down i reckon.

 

[babajee]

He's a soft medium pacer, far from being a genuine bowler.

Lol. Faheem is a good bowler.

You just have your favourites don’t you!?

 

[DRsohail]

I mean amd but.

 

[babajee]

Fahim is a nothing bowler so he better be a damn good batsman.

Is he still a nothing bowler?

 

[DRsohail]

Abdullah 719 please upload Ammad butt spell today.

 

[DRsohail]

[MENTION=143344]babajee[/MENTION] all of them playing today from the same team and winning them.What a turn around.

 

[DRsohail]

[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION]

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Is he still a nothing bowler?

No, he has improved.

 

[Khan12]

Disappointed with amad. Changed his action and his pace was down. Needs to go back to his old action.

 

[DRsohail]

No, he has improved.

Wahta about Amad butt.He was slower with a change action?

 

[Khan12]

No, he has improved.

What did you think of amad today?

 

[coy0607]

Faheem is both, a better bowler and a better batsmen that Amad - I don't see how he is international material

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Wahta about Amad butt.He was slower with a change action?

What did you think of amad today?

The torso is still collapsing. Compared to Faheem who maintains his posture thus uses his base better. It's annoying to watch because Ammad's got more burst but he wastes it by collapsing in a split second. Everything's good until the front foot lands and then he just folds instead of keeping the torso upright and going through the action. It could be due to overstretching the front leg which is done to strive for pace but it doesn't help if you don't have the strength to maintain form.

 

[babajee]

[MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION] what do you think of Shadab’s bowling. Why is he not being as potent?

 

[Abdullah719]

[MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION]

Don't have his full spell

Hopefully he does better in the next game, though I think Zafar will most probably return to the playing XI.

 

[Ellipsism]

Lol. Faheem is a good bowler.

You just have your favourites don’t you!?

Check when that post was made. He was a nothing bowler at that time, was your typical Pakistani trundler. He’s improved but still not reliable enough to be the third seamer.

 

[Justcrazy]

Fahim Ashraf is basically a batting all rounder.

Shadab unfortunately will eventually become one too.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

[MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION] needs some due recognition.

Chacha i am going to quote your words and mention Waqar Younis.
[MENTION=141390]Ellipsism[/MENTION] you too visit my debate with Hasan

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Disappointed with amad. Changed his action and his pace was down. Needs to go back to his old action.

Wahta about Amad butt.He was slower with a change action?

[MENTION=138958]Khan12[/MENTION] nice to see you back at PP.


Amad's old action needs tweaking for sure. His back was getting a toll and accuracy was an issue too.

But Yes he was bowling Fast medium surely.


Let's see how he fares in next 12 months time.


I had a debate with Hassan. He is pretty confident about what IU have done with Amad.

 

[DRsohail]

[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] so you are basically happy with his new action atm.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Faheem is so far the leading wicket-taker in this PSL.

 

[DRsohail]

Impressed with Ammad butt.

 

[Fahdi]

I don't know who comes up with these changed actions, I know Aqib Javed has been involved in a lot of changed actions but is he the one who comes up with the new action? Because that may explain a lot.

Changing and coming up with actions should be the domain of proper bio-mechanical engineers working with proper equipment. There is a science to these things which cricketers won't understand so easily. Brett Lee had his action changed and it was done by engineers and scientists. They didn't ruin his pace they increased it and relieved the strain on his back so much so that he was clocking 145+ even at the age of 35 and had a long career.

Ammad Butt right now has a mixed sort of action. He is neither front on nor is he properly side on. With the same effort he can be hitting 145 if he had a better action.

 

[babajee]

Faheem and Shadab are genuine all rounders who will win Pakistan games with bat and ball.

 

[DRsohail]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] what about the new action of the guy?

 

[Hasan123]

Amad Butt bowling looks much improved. Want to see what he can do with the bat.

 

[Saj]

Faheem Ashraf is the one making rapid progress.

Shadab is steadily improving, just hope his feet stay on the ground.

Amad has looked ok so far at the PSL, but nothing grat. Lots of hard work ahead for him.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Shadab - Potential Pakistan great

Faheem - can be a good soild player who does over achieve but I dont think he is the next Abdul Razzaq

Amad - arguably more potential than Faheem, but stagnating heavily

 

[DRsohail]

Faheem Ashraf is the one making rapid progress.

Shadab is steadily improving, just hope his feet stay on the ground.

Amad has looked ok so far at the PSL, but nothing grat. Lots of hard work ahead for him.

And the reason for Amamd not developing is that unfortunately he is not under pcb wing.

 

[babajee]

Faheem - can be a good soild player who does over achieve but I dont think he is the next Abdul Razzaq.

He is the most exciting prospect in world cricket after Shadab Khan.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Amad Butt is nothing special. Not sure what PPers see in him.

Fahim and Shadab will represent Pakistan for a long time provided they don't go into Umar Akmal territory.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

He is the most exciting prospect in world cricket after Shadab Khan.

lol bhai please


His batting is vastly overated and will remain so unless he shows some improbment

 

[babajee]

lol bhai please


His batting is vastly overated and will remain so unless he shows some improbment

It will improve don’t you worry

The guy has the right attitude towards his cricket.

 

[MMHS]

[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] what about the new action of the guy?

I think, he is not getting full from his run up - just not look smooth in delivery stride. I think, he is more upright now (releasing from high), but still not reached peak speed. Looks a bit like Taskin, too mechanical.

 

[DRsohail]

I think, he is not getting full from his run up - just not look smooth in delivery stride. I think, he is more upright now (releasing from high), but still not reached peak speed. Looks a bit like Taskin, too mechanical.

His run up is not getting that acceleration and inertia which Mohammad sami gets?

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

It will improve don’t you worry

The guy has the right attitude towards his cricket.

so?


Asad Shafiq by all accounts has a great attitude, and he has barely improved despite almost 7 years of continous selection

Not saying Faheem wont, and I hope he does imrove as it will greatly balance the team, but I think we are pinning to much hope on him, particulay for ODIs


He isnt a an automatic pic for me just yet

 

[babajee]

so?


Asad Shafiq by all accounts has a great attitude, and he has barely improved despite almost 7 years of continous selection

Not saying Faheem wont, and I hope he does imrove as it will greatly balance the team, but I think we are pinning to much hope on him, particulay for ODIs


He isnt a an automatic pic for me just yet

Well Asad Shafiq is also a mental midget.

Anyways the improvement in Faheem has been clear so far... he’s pretty much unrecognisable to the bowler he was last year.

He’s had a few chances with the bat but he’s been unlucky imo.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Well Asad Shafiq is also a mental midget.

Anyways the improvement in Faheem has been clear so far... he’s pretty much unrecognisable to the bowler he was last year.

He’s had a few chances with the bat but he’s been unlucky imo.

I hope so, would help the odi team a lot, especially he can be relied upon to bowl 10 overs

 

[babajee]

I hope so, would help the odi team a lot, especially he can be relied upon to bowl 10 overs

He was our best pacer pretty much in the NZ ODI series..

He failed with the bat though but he’s not the kind of player who will save a sinking ship. He has batted well in the PSL though.

 

[coy0607]

Amad Butt is extremely ordinary - I haven't seem him do a single thing that seems anything above average

Shadab is a potential superstar in the making, Faheem is solid with room to improve, he will (hopefully) be a core member of the team for years to come

 

[DRsohail]

Much much better bowler than Fahim and have done decent as a bat.

 

[ShahidDar08]

Amad Butt is extremely ordinary - I haven't seem him do a single thing that seems anything above average

Shadab is a potential superstar in the making, Faheem is solid with room to improve, he will (hopefully) be a core member of the team for years to come

Amad Butt is miles ahead of Fahim.

 

[Abdullah Rabbani]

All 3 can be great, can be poor - but that we'll know if they are given chance, that too when they are below 25 ...

What little I have seen, I'll pick Fahim for ODI squad at least.

Just bowler poor tailender

 

[DRsohail]

Amad Butt is miles ahead of Fahim.

he has ingredients like pace height and age to be a good fast bowler and can use the long handle,Fahim looks to be bits and pieces player.

 

[Greenstorm]

Faheem's bowling is good. I see him succeeding in SA. Only problem in his batting in LOIs is that he is not shifting his weight properly. At the moment he is just swinging his arms through the line of the ball and is not transferring his core body strength into his shots, as a result keeps getting caught on boundary. He needs to watch some footage of David Miller's batting.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I like the look of Amad Butt. He is more likely to remain a bowling allrounder, but he appears to have good nerves and capable of delivering with the bat at the right time albeit with short little innings. In FC cricket, there has been some improvement with him scoring fifties recently and needs to keep on improving.
His bowling is the more exciting thing. He has a nice smooth remodelled action which generates pretty good pace, zip and some outswing. I think he is good enough to be given a go in LOI's atm. BUt he still needs improvement because he has massive potential.