"Faheem Ashraf can become a genuine bowling all-rounder for Pakistan" : Younis Khan

[Saj]

Younis Khan speaking after the close of play on Day 3 against New Zealand.

We were unlucky with the dismissal of Shan Masood on day 2. If we could have gone into day 3 without any wickets down it could have been different as there would have been 2 set batsmen at the crease.

We have seen in this match that when a team builds a partnership, the other side starts making mistakes as the Rizwan and Faheem partnership showed. If we had a top order partnership or two we could have scored over 300.

New Zealand’s innings was built around the long innings of Kane Williamson and a few partnerships. If a team makes 400 or more in the first innings of a Test match it makes all the difference.

We struggled due to no top order partnerships and we needed that badly. However, our middle-order and lower-order fought hard, especially Faheem Ashraf who is now showing his value as an all-rounder and I hope he continues to perform like this. He played a mature innings and is improving day by day just as he showed in the recent T20I series. He can become a genuine bowling all-rounder for Pakistan and it’s a type of player that we have needed for quite some time. Whenever we go abroad we lack a bowling all-rounder and I think Faheem is showing that he can be that player.

The stage was set for Faheem to perform as the ball was 50 overs old and he wasn’t facing the new ball. The top order didn’t perform but they batted for quite a few overs.

I can’t praise Mohammad Rizwan enough because the way he played in the series in England and the way he batted today was totally different. He played today like a mature batsman, like a senior player, like a leader. As a captain your performance matters a lot and if you perform as a captain your decision-making becomes positive. If he continues to play such brave innings it will make a huge difference to his captaincy and his career.

 

[Shoaib88]

Finally YK reveals what he had been writing on his diary the whole day

 

[Shoaib88]

But yes, Faheem Ashraf is once in a lifetime talent, he has shown that today. Now, all Pakistani fans do is see how Misbah ruins Faheem Ashrafs career. First, Misbah will say to him that your defence is very weak, let me show you how to do tuk tuk so that you can apply these skills in the next match.

 

[shah_1]

Faheem is showing why Micky Authur backed him. His balance was immaculate, some of the shots he played today and 1st T20 were pretty incredible. He always had the talent but mentally he didn't have the confidence to bat well

He is a talented stokeplayer needs to convert this into something good or it is a flash in the pan. Only time will tell.

 

[UzmanBeast]

But yes, Faheem Ashraf is once in a lifetime talent, he has shown that today. Now, all Pakistani fans do is see how Misbah ruins Faheem Ashrafs career. First, Misbah will say to him that your defence is very weak, let me show you how to do tuk tuk so that you can apply these skills in the next match.

Misbah doesn't focus on the batting of the team, that's Younis Khan's job. Waqar Younis and Younis Khan need to work on a few aspects of Faheem:

Batting -

Batting with the tail.
Batting in swinging/seaming conditions.
Batting awareness.

Bowling:

Swinging the ball consistently.
Bowling accuracy.
Seam bowling skills.

If Faheem works on all of those things, he can become a force in our bowling side. I'd rather invest in him than invest in Naseem Shah at this stage, because having Faheem on the team is much more valuable than having a 17-year old scatter gun who gives runs away without taking wickets.

 

[Omer2002]

I have always liked faheem not because of todays innings but i always thought he has under acheived. Wicket was pretty flat i must say but still

 

[Energy]

Misbah doesn't focus on the batting of the team, that's Younis Khan's job. Waqar Younis and Younis Khan need to work on a few aspects of Faheem:

Batting -

Batting with the tail.
Batting in swinging/seaming conditions.
Batting awareness.

Bowling:

Swinging the ball consistently.
Bowling accuracy.
Seam bowling skills.

If Faheem works on all of those things, he can become a force in our bowling side. I'd rather invest in him than invest in Naseem Shah at this stage, because having Faheem on the team is much more valuable than having a 17-year old scatter gun who gives runs away without taking wickets.

By 'work' do you mean ridicule and impose their cricket ideology on them? Haven't seen a single player either in this squad or from 2015 say Waqar had a positive influence on them.

 

[ARK Rafay]

Faheem is showing why Micky Authur backed him. His balance was immaculate, some of the shots he played today and 1st T20 were pretty incredible. He always had the talent but mentally he didn't have the confidence to bat well

He is a talented stokeplayer needs to convert this into something good or it is a flash in the pan. Only time will tell.

He showed glimpses of a great stroke player underneath but his consistency was little to none. Even throughout his career he has played a few great shots. Specially of the yorker-full length and short balls, timing was sublime. I hope he now puts in a real effort with the bat and deliver consistent performances

 

[Baigel]

'Before the series, I pulled Faheem aside and worked with him on his batting. Now that I think about it, Rizwan also worked with me after the second T20I.'

 

[Thunderbolt14]

I have always liked faheem not because of todays innings but i always thought he has under acheived. Wicket was pretty flat i must say but still

To the contrary, most variable bounce on the wicket today, most of any of the days in this Test. It was actually a more difficult wicket according to CricViz than when Kane Williamson was batting for his slowest ever century. Add in overcast conditions and one of the best attacks in the world on home soil.

Full credit to Faheem (though I want to see more before I give a verdict).

 

[UzmanBeast]

By 'work' do you mean ridicule and impose their cricket ideology on them? Haven't seen a single player either in this squad or from 2015 say Waqar had a positive influence on them.

True, and I think that this might be one of the last chances of Waqar Younis if the pace attack produces no results.

We need a foreign fast-bowling coach, because our own coaches are not capable of raising the bowling standards. PCB needs to sack Misbah as well and try to get Tom Moody to accept the job offer by throwing heaps of cash at his face. As a foreign fast-bowling coach, we need someone who has had a good international career and can also teach our bowlers how to swing and seam the ball. We have bet on all-domestic coaching staff, and the results have been very poor.

 

[Salman4.]

Faheem is showing why Micky Authur backed him. His balance was immaculate, some of the shots he played today and 1st T20 were pretty incredible. He always had the talent but mentally he didn't have the confidence to bat well

He is a talented stokeplayer needs to convert this into something good or it is a flash in the pan. Only time will tell.

Beautifully taking away the credit away from Misbah, who didn't even have a warm-up match as a reason to play him.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Faheem showed he could play the role of the extra bowler in England and South Africa. The only question was around his batting. But today he showed he could thrive on this level with the bat too.

Still not convinced on him as an ODI all-rounder but he should be fully backed in Tests. Pakistan have been missing a seam bowling allrounder in Tests since peak Razzaq

 

[BigShak]

MoYo has done good work with Faheem at the NHPC. Looks a different batsmen since the NT20.

 

[Markhor]

2020 is a funny year.

Fair play to him, he's copped a lot of stick from me but I hope he's turned a corner.

 

[UzmanBeast]

Faheem showed he could play the role of the extra bowler in England and South Africa. The only question was around his batting. But today he showed he could thrive on this level with the bat too.

Still not convinced on him as an ODI all-rounder but he should be fully backed in Tests. Pakistan have been missing a seam bowling allrounder in Tests since peak Razzaq

He should be backed both in overseas conditions but also in home conditions so that he can get maximum game time to improve his skills and develop as a player on friendly batting wickets.

For the SA series, he should have a place in the squad in place of Naseem Shah in my opinion. He offers a lot more than Naseem, who is frankly a 17-year old who was gassed up by everyone for having express pace but has no skills with the ball.

Fast-bowlers for the SA series should be Shaheen, Abbas, Hasan, Faheem, and Shinwari. Should be rotated as well, and Shaheen should be rested after the first test because his workload is very high.

First test match should have the bowling of Shaheen, Abbas, and Hasan.

Second test match should have Shinwari, Abbas/Faheem, and Hasan.

 

[cricketfan11]

But why has it taken years for Faheem Ashraf to show this kind of potential?

 

[Bewal Express]

Its a shame the guy has an awful seam. Surely, with all coaches in the setup he can be taught to keep the seam upright. If they can't, I will teach him in 20min.

 

[Junaids]

Don’t get too carried away.

He’s a pretty marginal Number 8 and Test fourth seamer.

Better than no all-rounder, but Amad Butt may well become significantly superior in the same role.

 

[Saj]

He had to come good eventually.

He's had plenty of chances, although I am surprised he's managed to nearly score a century in a Test match.

Lets hope it's not a flash in the pan.

 

[Kroll]

Double whammy for the Faheem haters. Pakistan getting smashed in the Test and Faheem playing the best in the side.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Our top 5 is Babar or bust sadly.

 

[Bewal Express]

'Before the series, I pulled Faheem aside and worked with him on his batting. Now that I think about it, Rizwan also worked with me after the second T20I.'

Heads you lose, tails I win.

 

[Kroll]

2020 is a funny year.

Fair play to him, he's copped a lot of stick from me but I hope he's turned a corner.

Stick? That must be the understatement of the year! )

It must have really got to him that he channelled his inner Abdul Razzaq.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Younis Khan needs to be shown the door. What a really bad hire. Great player as an individual but an erratic man and not the right fit for a coach.

 

[shah_1]

Being dropped from world cup has wonders for him, looks like he has worked hard on his batting

Anyone who knows a bit about batting, will know that he is a better batting talent than Khushdil and Asif Ali. It is not like we are blessed with batting talent like Glen Maxwell, Andre Russell and Pandya so he should be presisted for one last time.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

He should be backed both in overseas conditions but also in home conditions so that he can get maximum game time to improve his skills and develop as a player on friendly batting wickets.

For the SA series, he should have a place in the squad in place of Naseem Shah in my opinion. He offers a lot more than Naseem, who is frankly a 17-year old who was gassed up by everyone for having express pace but has no skills with the ball.

Fast-bowlers for the SA series should be Shaheen, Abbas, Hasan, Faheem, and Shinwari. Should be rotated as well, and Shaheen should be rested after the first test because his workload is very high.

First test match should have the bowling of Shaheen, Abbas, and Hasan.

Second test match should have Shinwari, Abbas/Faheem, and Hasan.

I have been saying here for months that Faheem is a necessity for SENA. Because asking 4 bowlers to shoulder the load in these countries is dangerous, especially for someone like Shaheen who plays all formats. One of the many reasons Yasir has become ineffective too is because he is so overused.

Besides Faheem never really gave a bad performance in tests. And the discipline he brings with the ball is much needed when you have someone as erratic as Naseem, and Yasir being asked to bowl 50 overs an innings. Unfortunately our management has this tendency to select and drop players based on their performances in other formats which makes absolutely no sense. Faheem was dropped from the test side because of his failures in ODIs, and now it seems he has been selected because of his performances in the T20Is.

I don't think Shinwari is that good. I never really considered him an international level bowler. Plus he has issues with injuries, he will struggle to play test matches. Naseem for all his shortcomings should be persisted with. He is young and has been exposed to test cricket, that too in places that are considered very tough to visit. He shouldn't be a first pick but I don't see an issue with him being in the squad.

For me the pace attack should be: Abbas, Shaheen, Hasan Ali with Faheem as the extra seamer and Naseem as the back-up.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

One score of 91 with 6-8 boundaries same shot on the leg side and he is next the klusener.

fans have to accept mediocrity and celebrate it.

 

[aloo paratha]

One score of 91 with 6-8 boundaries same shot on the leg side and he is next the klusener.

fans have to accept mediocrity and celebrate it.

Did you even watch the innings? He hit many shots on the off side. Cover drives, lofted cover drives off Southee, and some cut shots.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Being dropped from world cup has wonders for him, looks like he has worked hard on his batting

Anyone who knows a bit about batting, will know that he is a better batting talent than Khushdil and Asif Ali. It is not like we are blessed with batting talent like Glen Maxwell, Andre Russell and Pandya so he should be presisted for one last time.

I don't think Asif Ali should even be considered as a batsman.

 

[UzmanBeast]

I have been saying here for months that Faheem is a necessity for SENA. Because asking 4 bowlers to shoulder the load in these countries is dangerous, especially for someone like Shaheen who plays all formats. One of the many reasons Yasir has become ineffective too is because he is so overused.

Besides Faheem never really gave a bad performance in tests. And the discipline he brings with the ball is much needed when you have someone as erratic as Naseem, and Yasir being asked to bowl 50 overs an innings. Unfortunately our management has this tendency to select and drop players based on their performances in other formats which makes absolutely no sense. Faheem was dropped from the test side because of his failures in ODIs, and now it seems he has been selected because of his performances in the T20Is.

I don't think Shinwari is that good. I never really considered him an international level bowler. Plus he has issues with injuries, he will struggle to play test matches. Naseem for all his shortcomings should be persisted with. He is young and has been exposed to test cricket, that too in places that are considered very tough to visit. He shouldn't be a first pick but I don't see an issue with him being in the squad.

For me the pace attack should be: Abbas, Shaheen, Hasan Ali with Faheem as the extra seamer and Naseem as the back-up.

I agree with most of the points that you have made except about Shinwari and Naseem.

Shinwari has performed in ODI cricket to at least merit a spot in the rotational squad, and we got rid of him after such excellent performances in ODI cricket. He needs to be tried in place of Wahab Riaz, who is frankly becoming a liability with the ball.

As for Naseem, it's not the lack of performance that is making me question his spot on the team, its the fact that he has no game awareness and has genuinely shown no improvement in the test matches he has been provided with. He bowls the minimum quota of overs and gives away too many runs without providing any control. Worst of all, he doesn't even threaten batsmen and relies on things on the pitch rather than where he bowls. He needs to go into domestic cricket, especially now because pitches are flat and runs are plenty. It will force him to fix his line-length to avoid leaking runs.

Hasan Ali should be brought back into the team, he is genuinely threatening and can make better use of the conditions compared to Naseem. I'd keep Naseem on the squad and in the mix, but he should not be playing overseas games at all.

Faheem, Abbas, Shaheen, Hasan, and Shinwari/Naseem.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Don’t get too carried away.

He’s a pretty marginal Number 8 and Test fourth seamer.

Better than no all-rounder, but Amad Butt may well become significantly superior in the same role.

This myth of Amad Butt being the second coming of Razzaq is much worse than the myth of Faheem being the second coming of Razzaq.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I agree with most of the points that you have made except about Shinwari and Naseem.

Shinwari has performed in ODI cricket to at least merit a spot in the rotational squad, and we got rid of him after such excellent performances in ODI cricket. He needs to be tried in place of Wahab Riaz, who is frankly becoming a liability with the ball.

As for Naseem, it's not the lack of performance that is making me question his spot on the team, its the fact that he has no game awareness and has genuinely shown no improvement in the test matches he has been provided with. He bowls the minimum quota of overs and gives away too many runs without providing any control. Worst of all, he doesn't even threaten batsmen and relies on things on the pitch rather than where he bowls. He needs to go into domestic cricket, especially now because pitches are flat and runs are plenty. It will force him to fix his line-length to avoid leaking runs.

Hasan Ali should be brought back into the team, he is genuinely threatening and can make better use of the conditions compared to Naseem. I'd keep Naseem on the squad and in the mix, but he should not be playing overseas games at all.

Faheem, Abbas, Shaheen, Hasan, and Shinwari/Naseem.

I disagree. I think Wahab showed in the World Cup what he is capable of. I get that he is inconsistent, he always has been. But he just brings something different to the side. He's quick, can bowl good bouncers and nail those yorkers better than anyone when they are most needed which are useful things in llimited-overs cricket these days. Shinwari is just another stock bowler. His biggest strength is his 'skiddness' which also happens to be the strength of every seamer on the face of the earth that is shorter than 6 feet with pace in the 130-135 range. On top of that, Shinwari is too hit and miss. On some days he will run through an opposition like he did in an ODI in South Africa or in Sharjah against Sri Lanka. On other days he will look completely innocuous and ordinary and get smashed around. In contrast with Wahab you always have that pace, reverse-swing, those yorkers which can be an incredibly useful thing to have.

I don't disagree with you on Naseem. He desperately needs more FC experience behind him. But I think in a situation where Abbas or Shaheen is injured he is not the worst back-up to have. I would certainly prefer him over Sohail Khan who frankly should not have been selected again after he was badly exposed in Australia in 2016 and is the oldest bowler in the set-up at 36 years of age.

Playing old batsmen and spinners is one thing. But I refuse to believe that a 36 year old fast-bowler can bowl two effective spells in test cricket without dropping his pace significantly.

 

[shah_1]

This myth of Amad Butt being the second coming of Razzaq is much worse than the myth of Faheem being the second coming of Razzaq.

Amad butt is a tullaybaaz with the bat

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Amad butt is a tullaybaaz with the bat

Tullaybaaz is an overstatement. The guy has the technique of a tailender.

 

[Kaka4pope]

Saw the highlights, fair play to Ashraf, proactively punished bad balls - it was a good knock.

It’s only Yamin that looks like he could provide competiton, though he’s a few years older.

A ‘no issues’ Pakistan test 6-11 would mean Pak could still boast a competitive, fair weather team..

Imam
Abid
Azhar
Babar
Haris
Rizwan
Faheem
Yasir
Hassan
Amir
Shaheen

Would still see likes of Haider, Rohail, Abdullah and Naseem develop in and around.

 

[b.lesner]

'Before the series, I pulled Faheem aside and worked with him on his batting. Now that I think about it, Rizwan also worked with me after the second T20I.'

No its was Yousuf in NCA he confirmed that he corrected fahim feet moment he didn't have balance feet movement when attempting shots.

 

[Saj]

Had a chat with Mohammad Yousuf about Faheem.

He was recently sent to Yousuf at the NCA to assess what had gone wrong with his batting.

Yousuf said that he only had a few days to work with him but spotted a few flaws including moving his feet too early.

They watched videos of his batting, worked on some things that time allowed and pointed some things out to him, bad habits etc.

Yousuf said that he still has more work to do with Faheem once he's back from New Zealand.

 

[UzmanBeast]

I disagree. I think Wahab showed in the World Cup what he is capable of. I get that he is inconsistent, he always has been. But he just brings something different to the side. He's quick, can bowl good bouncers and nail those yorkers better than anyone when they are most needed which are useful things in llimited-overs cricket these days. Shinwari is just another stock bowler. His biggest strength is his 'skiddness' which also happens to be the strength of every seamer on the face of the earth that is shorter than 6 feet with pace in the 130-135 range. On top of that, Shinwari is too hit and miss. On some days he will run through an opposition like he did in an ODI in South Africa or in Sharjah against Sri Lanka. On other days he will look completely innocuous and ordinary and get smashed around. In contrast with Wahab you always have that pace, reverse-swing, those yorkers which can be an incredibly useful thing to have.

I don't disagree with you on Naseem. He desperately needs more FC experience behind him. But I think in a situation where Abbas or Shaheen is injured he is not the worst back-up to have. I would certainly prefer him over Sohail Khan who frankly should not have been selected again after he was badly exposed in Australia in 2016 and is the oldest bowler in the set-up at 36 years of age.

Playing old batsmen and spinners is one thing. But I refuse to believe that a 36 year old fast-bowler can bowl two effective spells in test cricket without dropping his pace significantly.

You are confusing Shinwari with Wahab. Wahab has been given ample opportunities, and he is the "hit-or-miss" bowler on the squad. Look at that New Zealand series, where were his yorkers and prized reverse swing. Reverse swing nowadays means nothing in white-ball cricket, because it barely happens. It is so minuscule since the new rules that there's no point in boasting about it at all, it won't get any wickets. Wahab had a good WC campaign, I agree, but he's old and he's not a good long-term investment. Shinwari is, and though you claim that he's a hit-or-miss player, he has the potential to improve, something Wahab doesn't have.

Would you invest in a 35 year old or a 26 year old who has a brighter future and can serve the team for longer?

 

[Justcrazy]

Faheem should be used as a floater in OD , Imad , faheem , Shadab should be number 6 , 7 , 8 in OD , that would be a solid lower order

 

[asadee]

Is YK saying had Shaan not gotten out on day 2 he would have gone on to make a big score on day 3. What kind of logic is that??

 

[hur rizvi]

Long way to go should keep working hard

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

You are confusing Shinwari with Wahab. Wahab has been given ample opportunities, and he is the "hit-or-miss" bowler on the squad. Look at that New Zealand series, where were his yorkers and prized reverse swing. Reverse swing nowadays means nothing in white-ball cricket, because it barely happens. It is so minuscule since the new rules that there's no point in boasting about it at all, it won't get any wickets. Wahab had a good WC campaign, I agree, but he's old and he's not a good long-term investment. Shinwari is, and though you claim that he's a hit-or-miss player, he has the potential to improve, something Wahab doesn't have.

Would you invest in a 35 year old or a 26 year old who has a brighter future and can serve the team for longer?

You could argue that both are hit and miss. But when Wahab delivers you get the whole nine yards. His skillset is much more impressive than Shinwari. Wahab's time is limited and I would honestly prefer him in the side over Shinwari

 

[shamaan]

I have been saying here for months that Faheem is a necessity for SENA. Because asking 4 bowlers to shoulder the load in these countries is dangerous, especially for someone like Shaheen who plays all formats. One of the many reasons Yasir has become ineffective too is because he is so overused.

Besides Faheem never really gave a bad performance in tests. And the discipline he brings with the ball is much needed when you have someone as erratic as Naseem, and Yasir being asked to bowl 50 overs an innings. Unfortunately our management has this tendency to select and drop players based on their performances in other formats which makes absolutely no sense. Faheem was dropped from the test side because of his failures in ODIs, and now it seems he has been selected because of his performances in the T20Is.

I don't think Shinwari is that good. I never really considered him an international level bowler. Plus he has issues with injuries, he will struggle to play test matches. Naseem for all his shortcomings should be persisted with. He is young and has been exposed to test cricket, that too in places that are considered very tough to visit. He shouldn't be a first pick but I don't see an issue with him being in the squad.

For me the pace attack should be: Abbas, Shaheen, Hasan Ali with Faheem as the extra seamer and Naseem as the back-up.

fahim should be batting at 8 and shadab should be batting at 7 yasir is not good enough in sena as a bowler

 

[Saj]

Is YK saying had Shaan not gotten out on day 2 he would have gone on to make a big score on day 3. What kind of logic is that??

He was saying that had Pakistan gone into day 3 with no wickets lost, that would have meant that they would have been a lot more confident and NZ would have been wicketless and probably not as confident.

 

[Saj]

It's likely that Faheem will be going back to the NCA to work with Yousuf on more issues surrounding his batting, after the tour of New Zealand.

 

[ShoaibM]

Is it a tug of war now between YK and YoYo on who gets credit for Faheem? They might be betting on the wrong horse here.

I'd ask Mr. Mohammed why he didnt do similar work with Abid and Fawad or is he just trying to ride some coattails maybe.

 

[b.lesner]

Is it a tug of war now between YK and YoYo on who gets credit for Faheem? They might be betting on the wrong horse here.

I'd ask Mr. Mohammed why he didnt do similar work with Abid and Fawad or is he just trying to ride some coattails maybe.

No refer to saj and my comment Yousuf said it few weeks back so

 

[Hyperion66]

Performed pretty decently in SENA albeit the sample size is too small. Definitely got the potential.

 

[Saj]

Is it a tug of war now between YK and YoYo on who gets credit for Faheem? They might be betting on the wrong horse here.

I'd ask Mr. Mohammed why he didnt do similar work with Abid and Fawad or is he just trying to ride some coattails maybe.

Younis works predominantly with the players ahead of a tour, when they are on tour, or during a series.

Yousuf is asked to work with players on an adhoc basis upon the request of the PCB.

 

[Khan12]

Younis works predominantly with the players ahead of a tour, when they are on tour, or during a series.

Yousuf is asked to work with players on an adhoc basis upon the request of the PCB.

So when is yousuf working with the likes of Haider Ali and Abdullah Shafique?

 

[Saj]

So when is yousuf working with the likes of Haider Ali and Abdullah Shafique?

When the PCB tells him to.

In his words, "there are plenty of batsmen who need help, but I can only work with those who PCB want me to"

 

[Yk313]

Is it a tug of war now between YK and YoYo on who gets credit for Faheem? They might be betting on the wrong horse here.

I'd ask Mr. Mohammed why he didnt do similar work with Abid and Fawad or is he just trying to ride some coattails maybe.

These things are not mutually exclusive, both can have worked with a player/players.

Actually, nevermind just seen that Saj has clarified and given more detail

 

[ShoaibM]

These things are not mutually exclusive, both can have worked with a player/players.

Actually, nevermind just seen that Saj has clarified and given more detail

Of course any number of coaches can work with players. Just dont like coaches trying to steal credit for good work done by the player. Good coaches give credit where due, sometimes more than what is due. They dont try to hog the limelight every chance they get. YK has been trying his best to do this. Was just hoping MoYo isnt jumping on the same bandwagon.

 

[Junaids]

It's likely that Faheem will be going back to the NCA to work with Yousuf on more issues surrounding his batting, after the tour of New Zealand.

I am delighted for Faheem Ashraf and I've been arguing for 2 years that Pakistan should persist with Shadab at 7 and Faheem at 8.

But none of us should start to consider Faheem to be a viable Test Number 7, because he will never be reliable enough to bat that high.

I hope that Yousuf makes him into a terrific Number 8. But a Test Number 7 needs to be able to bat for an average of a full session in every innings. And that will never be Faheem.

 

[Yk313]

Of course any number of coaches can work with players. Just dont like coaches trying to steal credit for good work done by the player. Good coaches give credit where due, sometimes more than what is due. They dont try to hog the limelight every chance they get. YK has been trying his best to do this. Was just hoping MoYo isnt jumping on the same bandwagon.

Really confused... did YK say his changes led to Fahim scoring well yesterday?

 

[coy0607]

I know everyone is riding on the high of Faheem's 91, but he just doesn't seem to have the skill to be a long term Test all-rounder. His medium pace bowling isn't threatening and at all, and his batting isn't consistent enough for him to be a batting all-rounder.

He needs to be massively improve his batting, otherwise Shadab is a better option in Tests.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Did you even watch the innings? He hit many shots on the off side. Cover drives, lofted cover drives off Southee, and some cut shots.

Yes 1 each on the offside total 3 rest all on the leg side. Pakistan continue to produce leg side hacks and they are the ones celebrated now. In the last one year or so the lower order has scored more runs in SENA tests than the top order worthy here to mention 100 from Yasir shah and 50s from Rizwan

Leg side hacks in Pakistan right now are Shadab, Imad, khushdil, Ifthikar, faheem , Asif Ali, Fakhar zaman



Except babar nobody scores in the top order. I’m talking about outside Asia , not those debutant Abid 100 in home grounds.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Don’t get too carried away.

He’s a pretty marginal Number 8 and Test fourth seamer.

Better than no all-rounder, but Amad Butt may well become significantly superior in the same role.

I doubt it. Faheem is not great but he was never as bad as some critics on here were insisting. His bowling is limited, but he does generate pace, and he can produce in the right conditions, same as most any fast medium bowlers.

His batting is quite rudimentary, but again he doesn't lack courage or hitting prowess, he's won matches before with the bat.

 

[shamaan]

I am delighted for Faheem Ashraf and I've been arguing for 2 years that Pakistan should persist with Shadab at 7 and Faheem at 8.

But none of us should start to consider Faheem to be a viable Test Number 7, because he will never be reliable enough to bat that high.

I hope that Yousuf makes him into a terrific Number 8. But a Test Number 7 needs to be able to bat for an average of a full session in every innings. And that will never be Faheem.

Tottaly agred shadab and fahim should be batting at 7 and 8 and can provide decent runs down the order.

 

[shamaan]

I know everyone is riding on the high of Faheem's 91, but he just doesn't seem to have the skill to be a long term Test all-rounder. His medium pace bowling isn't threatening and at all, and his batting isn't consistent enough for him to be a batting all-rounder.

He needs to be massively improve his batting, otherwise Shadab is a better option in Tests.

both can play at 7 and 8 espically in sena