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Faheem Ashraf, Shoaib Malik and Fakhar Zaman should not be part of Pakistan's World Cup squad

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Faheem is NOT an all rounder and as a bowler alone he can not be selected on merit.

Malik is 37 years old and has not done anything of note in the last one year or so , averaging 27 with only two 50s( one came against afghanistan).

Fakhar has lost his way , looks like a batsman who doesn't have a technique or will to survive in the middle.

Hussain talat is playing in his first match and i wish him luck , i have followed him around and IMO he does not have reflexes of a batsman or a skills of a bowler. Still pakistan can test him in this series.
 
Malik will be there unfortunately.

Drop Faheem and Imad.
 
Faheem is NOT an all rounder and as a bowler alone he can not be selected on merit.

Malik is 37 years old and has not done anything of note in the last one year or so , averaging 27 with only two 50s( one came against afghanistan).

Fakhar has lost his way , looks like a batsman who doesn't have a technique or will to survive in the middle.

Hussain talat is playing in his first match and i wish him luck , i have followed him around and IMO he does not have reflexes of a batsman or a skills of a bowler. Still pakistan can test him in this series.

Who is left then???Wrist Slitting started after 2 ODI's already...
 
Who is left then???Wrist Slitting started after 2 ODI's already...
Khurram Manzoor and Fawad Alam should replace Fakhar and Malik. And when they inevitably fail, let's go on a tirade hailing Fakhar and Malik as saviours of Pakistan cricket.
 
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Who is left then???Wrist Slitting started after 2 ODI's already...

What wrist slitting?

Malik.has not been performing for over a year now.

Have you seen fakhar bat lately?

Do you think faheem deserves a place purely as a bowler?

So lets not call it wrist slitting , you select players who can occupy a role in the team and then perform their job. Faheem was selected as an all rounder and he has not filled his role. Malik is a seasoned pro but he is past his sell by date.
 
Who is left then???Wrist Slitting started after 2 ODI's already...

Umar Akmal :)

It'll happen - just wait for few more games. Most posters despise Umar here in PP ..... then in hind side each one is thinking - if he was there today, if he wasn't that fool, if he could kept keeping, hope he does well in PSL, hope he passes fitness .... :)

My hunch is Umar will be in WC squad - by 3rd game, he'll be in playing XI - at 5.
 
I knew when I read who the wristslitter OP the kind of post we'll see in the thread.

Hafeez, Faheem, Malik should not be in the team for the WC. Why lump Fakhar into it.
 
Drop Talat. Bring Shan as opener and bat Fakhar at 4. Drop Faheem and bring Amir back.
 
Because they played bad today? Fakhar is a good opener and Malik provides stability. IIRC he was your only batsman in Asia cup.
 
Fakhar hits, he'd fail at 4. I can't see him building a long innings on singles and doubles.

They will bounce him out and he's under pressure. Let him face Tahir and Shamsi. He can rotate and can smash over the mid wicket. Shan is in form and can play pace better.
 
They will bounce him out and he's under pressure. Let him face Tahir and Shamsi. He can rotate and can smash over the mid wicket. Shan is in form and can play pace better.

Shan and Imam would see us 20-0 after 10 :)) Sarfraz, if he survives what's coming to him, should open. He's failing everywhere else and he did well at 1 in the last WC.
 
Fakhar is the first name on teamsheet. Faheem is a good squad option to have. Malik should be dropped.
 
1.Drop Malik and instead select Umar akmal..
2.promote imad wasim in batting order and play him as batsman.. He is temperamentally good and has the best shots in his repertoire..
3. Shaan Masood should be a regular.
Fakhar
Shaan
Babar
Imad
U. Akmal
Hafeez
Sarfaraz
Hassan ali
Shahdab
Shaheen
Amir
 
Umar Akmal :)

It'll happen - just wait for few more games. Most posters despise Umar here in PP ..... then in hind side each one is thinking - if he was there today, if he wasn't that fool, if he could kept keeping, hope he does well in PSL, hope he passes fitness .... :)

My hunch is Umar will be in WC squad - by 3rd game, he'll be in playing XI - at 5.

He won't be in the world cup squad. We will have to wait until specalist captain,national treasure,and Malik embarrass us at the WC.

Patience for the changes.
 
Shan and Imam would see us 20-0 after 10 :)) Sarfraz, if he survives what's coming to him, should open. He's failing everywhere else and he did well at 1 in the last WC.

93-6 today and they are exposing Babar, the best batsman in the team too early to the new ball. The pitches are going to be pacy in the next ODIs. 10 overs 35 for no loss is good in SA conditions. They didnt even play 50 overs today and the wicket was subcontinent like
 
93-6 today and they are exposing Babar, the best batsman in the team too early to the new ball. The pitches are going to be pacy in the next ODIs. 10 overs 35 for no loss is good in SA conditions. They didnt even play 50 overs today and the wicket was subcontinent like

True. Its a shame our middle order is spineless as well.
 
Its a tricky. The right thing here is that only one of malik or hafeez should be playing in the lineup, if they are going to be in the squad. Its the azhar and shafiq all over again in the odi side.
I have no issues with giving fakhar more time or faheem, but malik and hafeez both playing or even being in the squad is criminal.

The way this works is that over the next week or so mickey is going to blow a fuse on malik and or hafeez with minor fire on sarfaraz as well. He will be right to do so because collectilvely, these threee will contribute to a few more losses on this tour.

their handlers in the press will make all about how mickey cant get along with the senior players: first in the test team and now in the odi team.
 
can't drop fakhar..

malik and faheem i agree.

Can't drop Fakhar because he played a great innings in champions trophy and scored a double hundred against Zimbabwe?

This can define our typical cricketing standards.

We can't drop Afridi because he his boom boom.
We can't drop Amir because he is "Bary match ka player"
We can't drop Azhar becuase he is " Bhai "
We can't drop Sarfaraz becuase he won us champions trophy :salute
 
All teams go through a phrase of identifying final XI Pakistan should use this series to finalize. In English condition having 6th bowling option is gold. For that to happen they need at last two reliable top order who can bat right through more often than not. Balance of Pakistan will be impacted by indifferent performers at the top.
 
Dropping any of these 3 would be incredibly stupid.


Malik is our best batsman for the last 5 years

Fakhar is one of the only signs of life and aggression in this batting order

Fahim is a genuine allrounder and one of the only genuine strikers down the order



These are the last 3 who would be dropped. Horrible thread.
 
FZ deserves a longer leeway. Fahim should be benched as well as Malik. Sad part we do not have another fast bowling alrounder in the squad. (Don't say Talat is a bowler, his bowling is teletubby level).


Heck Amir could do a better job as an alrounder than Fahim.



Malik 2.0 was excellent while it lasted, but seems as if age has caught up with him. Next match he should be benched for Shan.
 
Dropping any of these 3 would be incredibly stupid.


Malik is our best batsman for the last 5 years

Fakhar is one of the only signs of life and aggression in this batting order

Fahim is a genuine allrounder and one of the only genuine strikers down the order



These are the last 3 who would be dropped. Horrible thread.

Oh come on man, Shoaib Malik against any pacer bowling above 130kph is a walking wicket. Since his 2015 comeback, Malik averages 29 at a SR of 79 against the top teams (India, England, New Zealand, Australia and South Africa). How can we retain a senior batsman with such a mediocre record ?

Fahim is definitely not a genuine all-rounder. He is definition of bits and pieces. He's played 10 ODIs against top sides, averaging 12 at a SR of 74 with the bat. Despite being a supposed bowling AR he averages 61 at an ER of 5.5

Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe bashing have inflated the numbers of these pseudo cricketers. We need to play specialists like Saud Shakeel instead of carrying 1990s generation players like Hafeez and Malik to one last World Cup, and stop wasting time on a poor man's Abdul Razzaq by playing a genuine quick.

I cannot believe we've fallen so far to have Faheem Ashraf bowl with the new ball in South Africa.
 
I disagree with OP on Fakhar Zaman, the guy only recently scored two fifties against New Zealand in UAE. He isn't as clean a striker as Sharjeel Khan but our comatose, one paced batting can ill afford dropping the only decent attacking batsman in the squad.
 
Oh come on man, Shoaib Malik against any pacer bowling above 130kph is a walking wicket. Since his 2015 comeback, Malik averages 29 at a SR of 79 against the top teams (India, England, New Zealand, Australia and South Africa). How can we retain a senior batsman with such a mediocre record ?

Fahim is definitely not a genuine all-rounder. He is definition of bits and pieces. He's played 10 ODIs against top sides, averaging 12 at a SR of 74 with the bat. Despite being a supposed bowling AR he averages 61 at an ER of 5.5

Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe bashing have inflated the numbers of these pseudo cricketers. We need to play specialists like Saud Shakeel instead of carrying 1990s generation players like Hafeez and Malik to one last World Cup, and stop wasting time on a poor man's Abdul Razzaq by playing a genuine quick.

I cannot believe we've fallen so far to have Faheem Ashraf bowl with the new ball in South Africa.

The only thing I would say in faheem's defense is that he should part of the squad. malik deserved no spot there. I mean we had to get through the entire tour with a few of our batsmen ducking, weaving, or getting dismissed to some really pacy stuf....but it breaks you heart as a fan to see the most experiences player in the team get dismissed to probably the slowest pacer on the other side, if not both sides.
 
Fakhar can stay but Faheem has no business opening the bowling for Pakistan. Malik is finished but no one in Pakistan has the guts to drop him.
 
The quality of this entire post is summarized by your request to play saud shakeel.

You want to play a batsman who averages a strike rate of 82 in flat Pakistani pitches and has hit only 9 sixes in 42 innings ?

Further in 10 t20 matches he averages 17 and has never hit a 6 hahhahhaa

So let me get this straight: you want shoaib malik a world class player who just scored 48 and 78 off india in the asia cup 3 months ago ....replaced by..... a guy who cant even clear the boundary rope?

Lol
 
Malik is finished except he was our best batsman in the asia cup just 3 months ago and we have hardly played cricket since lolol
 
Fakhar should be rested for remaining matches.

Fahim Ashraf should be kicked out (False all-rounder).

Shoaib Malik should retire gracefully.

Sarfaraz should either play at the top(opener/4th position) or should make way for Rizwan.

Talat should be given full series.
 
Faheem is NOT an all rounder and as a bowler alone he can not be selected on merit.

Malik is 37 years old and has not done anything of note in the last one year or so , averaging 27 with only two 50s( one came against afghanistan).

Fakhar has lost his way , looks like a batsman who doesn't have a technique or will to survive in the middle.

Hussain talat is playing in his first match and i wish him luck , i have followed him around and IMO he does not have reflexes of a batsman or a skills of a bowler. Still pakistan can test him in this series.

Faheem Ashraf is turning into a Bowler only player. So if he can't bat then there are other pacers Like Junaid Khan, Shinwari, Mohd Amir, Wahab etc who can replace him.

Plus Why not play Shan Masood in Odi, after all his List A average is stellar and he is finally in good form....
 
What wrist slitting?

Malik.has not been performing for over a year now.

Have you seen fakhar bat lately?

Do you think faheem deserves a place purely as a bowler?

So lets not call it wrist slitting , you select players who can occupy a role in the team and then perform their job. Faheem was selected as an all rounder and he has not filled his role. Malik is a seasoned pro but he is past his sell by date.

With the World Cup around the corner this will have devastating consequences for the teamunless you have Saeed Anwar waiting in the ranks for you to replace Fakhar or Imran Khan as an allrounder to replace Faheem Ashraf.I can understand chopping of Faheem but Fakhar is a game-changer...
 
Mohammad Aamir should replace Faheem the next 3 ODIs. Aamir is much better bowler and can also hold the bat. Can’t wait for 2 years to see Faheem play the knock he did in CT warm up.
 
The quality of this entire post is summarized by your request to play saud shakeel.

You want to play a batsman who averages a strike rate of 82 in flat Pakistani pitches and has hit only 9 sixes in 42 innings ?

Further in 10 t20 matches he averages 17 and has never hit a 6 hahhahhaa

So let me get this straight: you want shoaib malik a world class player who just scored 48 and 78 off india in the asia cup 3 months ago ....replaced by..... a guy who cant even clear the boundary rope?

Lol

Malik is finished except he was our best batsman in the asia cup just 3 months ago and we have hardly played cricket since lolol

Adding as many lololos and hahas doesn't make your argument any stronger.

Remind me of Shoaib Malik's performance in New Zealand where we were whitewashed 5-0, and of his average and SR against nonminnows in 2018 ? Why do we give our senior batsmen a free pass when they fail when we need them the most to stand up on these tough tours ?

Nobody doubts Malik's ability in his comfort zone on low bounce, UAE wickets like in the Asia Cup. The problem is when he steps outside Asia and faces pace bowlers of any real repute, and we have 20 years worth of evidence to his frailties.

If he's struggling against Andile Phehlukwayo's 125kph thunderbolts on slow SAF pitches in PE and Durban, then I hope you'll be saying your prayers when he walks out to bat on fast, bouncy pitches like Old Trafford in the WC.

As for Saud Shakeel - his average in List A cricket is 52 at a SR of 85 and has scored 191 fours. Middle order batsmen in ODIs need to be dynamic accumulators who're comfortable rotating the strike against both pace and spin which he has shown in domestic cricket. Not sure why you'd bring up his T20 record in context of ODI selection, so your point is irrelevant as Hafeez should be dropped if that's the criteria.
 
Can't drop Fakhar because he played a great innings in champions trophy and scored a double hundred against Zimbabwe?

This can define our typical cricketing standards.

We can't drop Afridi because he his boom boom.
We can't drop Amir because he is "Bary match ka player"
We can't drop Azhar becuase he is " Bhai "
We can't drop Sarfaraz becuase he won us champions trophy :salute

no because he is a vital player at the top, you can't drop him based on test innings..

he hasn't done anything to justify a drop.
 
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From these numbers I can definitely see the necessity of dropping Haris Sohail and touting Shoaib Malik as our best batsman.

It shouldn't amaze me how profoundly ignorant some of our fanbase, and some of our selectors are. To hell with numbers, let's base selection on personal likes and dislikes.
 
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Faheem is NOT an all rounder and as a bowler alone he can not be selected on merit.

Malik is 37 years old and has not done anything of note in the last one year or so , averaging 27 with only two 50s( one came against afghanistan).

Fakhar has lost his way , looks like a batsman who doesn't have a technique or will to survive in the middle.

Hussain talat is playing in his first match and i wish him luck , i have followed him around and IMO he does not have reflexes of a batsman or a skills of a bowler. Still pakistan can test him in this series.

Nonsensical. Faheem is not an opening bowler. Have him as 2nd change behind Amir, Shaheen and Hassan.

Faheem will do a good job batting. He needs a good run.

Malik is so-so.

Fakhar is a match-winner.

Which miraculous people will you
select? I know Saud Shakeel is good. He must play ASAP
 
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From these numbers I can definitely see the necessity of dropping Haris Sohail and touting Shoaib Malik as our best batsman.

It shouldn't amaze me how profoundly ignorant some of our fanbase, and some of our selectors are. To hell with numbers, let's base selection on personal likes and dislikes.

Kudos for figuring out a way to share stats :yk
 
Fakhar Zaman is definitely having a tough tour with that being said he is definitely the opener we need in the team for the World Cup. Faheem, Malik, Hafeez and Imad should definitely discarded. As for Hussain Talat he isn't the AR that is gonna come at the end and bat at 100+ SR, he is more like a No.5 who can play the accumulator.
 
Fakhar Zaman is definitely having a tough tour with that being said he is definitely the opener we need in the team for the World Cup. Faheem, Malik, Hafeez and Imad should definitely discarded. As for Hussain Talat he isn't the AR that is gonna come at the end and bat at 100+ SR, he is more like a No.5 who can play the accumulator.

Faheem will take wickets in England.
 
Zaman is a must for WC.

Without Zaman, who else is going to give Pak flying starts?
 
FZ deserves a longer leeway. Fahim should be benched as well as Malik. Sad part we do not have another fast bowling alrounder in the squad. (Don't say Talat is a bowler, his bowling is teletubby level).


Heck Amir could do a better job as an alrounder than Fahim.



Malik 2.0 was excellent while it lasted, but seems as if age has caught up with him. Next match he should be benched for Shan.

The guy is around 40.
 
Some time ago these people were our heroes :))

I don't get it, if we axe every one who underperforms for a couple of series then we won't have anyone in our team.

Cricketers will have ups and downs, this is the reality of sports.

Malik was our best batsmen for the past few years and only in the recent couple months he's regressed, but we need his experience, you can't toss in someone brand new in the World Cup and then expect them to perform miracles.

Faheem is one of our best pacers and a pace bowling all rounder, who sucks at batting currently, but should eventually come good.

Fakhar's criticism is funny because I called it in the past that he won't be a 40 average plus world beater with that hideous technique and very low batting intelligence, it was evident from the CT final where he was scratchy and should have been out by Bumrah. But he needs to keep his place as we can't really toss in a new opener, we don't need another snail.

Imam is the one who needs to be swapped with Masood or Rizwan. He has amassed runs against weak sides which has catapulted him in the eyes of the regular fan and bats like Shehzad. Why are we quickly forgetting that he was selected due to nepotism?
 
BRING ASIF ALI BACK NOW.
SHAN MASOOD COULD BE CLASSED AS AN ALL ROUNDER.
IMAGINE THIS TEAM.

1.fakhar
2.Imam
3. Shan
4.Babar
5.Sarfraz as can't drop him for Rizwan due to him being captain but rate him for being hafiz e quran always reading durood shareef e.t.c when on field can see him lipsing it
6.Hafeez
7.Asif Ali
8.Shadab
9.Faheem really like him but needs to get wickets up front and get batting tips form hasan ali or else shan masood can be classed as an all rounder the way he's going and add an harris sohail at 4 and babar slot's down to 3.
10. Hasan Ali my mandibahauddin boy
11. Amir/Shaheen
 
Faheem will take wickets in England.

I'm not sure, I feel like we have better options for No.8. He's in the team as a an allrounder and I am yet to see some substantial from him with the bat. As a bowler I feel like we have better options. Regarding wickets, I think Hasan Ali, Mohammad Amir, Shaheen Shah Afridi are better options.
 
Shan and Imam would see us 20-0 after 10 :)) Sarfraz, if he survives what's coming to him, should open. He's failing everywhere else and he did well at 1 in the last WC.

I agree despite all the pressure of him being captain I think he would do better as an opener than any other position, he did pretty good for a while as an opener and for some odd reason after the 2015 Bangla Wash he never opened for Pakistan again.
 
All three will be in the World Cup squad

The squad you see now in this series is pretty much your World Cup squad

They might make three changes at max ( to bring in Haris Sohail, Junaid Khan, and Asif Ali)

I think the three that will be dropped for the three mention above would be Rizwan , Hussian Talat and maybe Imad wasim
 
Till the Inzi is selector we have no hope. The best batsman in Pakistan based on their domestic stats are:

Shan Masood
Fakhr
Babar
Iftikhar Ahmed
Khurram Manzoor
Saud Shakeel
Fawad Alam
M.Rizwan
S.Aslam

only two of them are in your playing XI. Atleast 5 of them should be in there.
 
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Oh come on man, Shoaib Malik against any pacer bowling above 130kph is a walking wicket. Since his 2015 comeback, Malik averages 29 at a SR of 79 against the top teams (India, England, New Zealand, Australia and South Africa). How can we retain a senior batsman with such a mediocre record ?

Fahim is definitely not a genuine all-rounder. He is definition of bits and pieces. He's played 10 ODIs against top sides, averaging 12 at a SR of 74 with the bat. Despite being a supposed bowling AR he averages 61 at an ER of 5.5

Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe bashing have inflated the numbers of these pseudo cricketers. We need to play specialists like Saud Shakeel instead of carrying 1990s generation players like Hafeez and Malik to one last World Cup, and stop wasting time on a poor man's Abdul Razzaq by playing a genuine quick.

I cannot believe we've fallen so far to have Faheem Ashraf bowl with the new ball in South Africa.
I agree 100% with what you have said, I wish we don't sacrifice our World Cup by giving chance to Malik and Hafeez. Even if we lose with younger players e.g. Saud, it would mean that we gave it our best shot.
 
We need to remove Fakhar, Sarfaraz and Hafeez and replace them with Saad, Saud and Rizwan and they will obviously give us a much better chance at winning World Cup.
 
Faheem isn't doing himself any favours by continuously flopping with the bat, and our batting is deep enough now to not require his services, especially with Hasan stepping it up (and outperforming Faheem). Ideally we carry a 16-17 man squad, but since we are only allowed 15 for the WC, he's gotta go tbh. If a pacer like Junaid or another batsman like Haris or even Asif can come in, it'd provide more value to the squad.

Talat/Hafeez/Malik/Fakhar can combine for the 5th bowler, especially since our other 4 (Shadab, Hasan, Amir, Shaheen) are easily good enough to complete their quotas.

Need to show more patience with Fakhar. He still brings a different dimension to our line-up.

Malik had a very good Asia Cup. He can be useful at #6. Regardless, he'll be there, so no point discussing; we just gotta back him now.
 
What wrist slitting?

Malik.has not been performing for over a year now.

Have you seen fakhar bat lately?

Do you think faheem deserves a place purely as a bowler?

So lets not call it wrist slitting , you select players who can occupy a role in the team and then perform their job. Faheem was selected as an all rounder and he has not filled his role. Malik is a seasoned pro but he is past his sell by date.

Fakhar like seriously?
The next south africa tour for us is may be 5 years later so no point dropping a player from odis for few failure in Sa .if the worldcup was in Sa you would have point but it is not so fakhar is important member of our squad and will be handy in england on flat pitches.
 
You drop the NON Performing players , thats the practice everywhere. If mediocrity makes you happy then so be it.
You drop non performing players with players who you believe can perform. The problem with fans here is that all they are good at is criticism. Ask them about ONE valid solution, and they will all be stumped.

You lot won't last two days in a selector's job, and you sit here and criticize the ones who are getting paid good bucks for it.

Faheem should definitely be dropped, but let's see you replace Fakhar and Malik with a few valid names this close to the World Cup? Your doodh-waalas or jamaadaars don't count as valid choices, as I'm certain you believe they would do a better job than these two.
 
Agree with OP.Shaan to replace Fakhar,Amir for Faheem,Haris for Malik and the WC is ours
 
My personal opinion is that Malik should should be given more responsibility in the side. He should bat at number 3 and anchor the innings. Babar, Harris Sohail and Fakhar should be told to bat around him and play their natural game. Sarfaraz and Faheem could play the lower order dashers which suits their game. Pakistan should try to utilize Maliks's experience like India is trying to exploit Dhoni's experience in middle order. Currently, he bats too low down the order to make any significant impact. If i am not wrong Miandad played the same role in 1992 world cup. I think this would be best scenario for Pakistan.
 
Malik has never and I mean never scored consistently in SENA so for us to hope that he will come good during WC is like putting our heads in sand and hoping the danger will pass.......
 
Fakhar Zaman should go. If he fires Pakistan will have a good chance. Faheem has been average but too late to try anyone else I think. Malik needs to perform in the ongoing SA tour, but face it, we all know he's going WC regardless.
 
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