Fawad Alam in 5-10 years

[Leonidos]

Top post, welcome to PP!!
One more thing to add is that, I personally don't consider Fawad to be a match winning batsmen per se BUT we need him. The Pakistan team has been full of flashy batsmen, from Zaheer Abbas to the flashy Umar Akmal. Now, these guys on their day help you win games but I can't stress the importance of having an anchor on the other end-- a partnership player.
MoYo is in this mould and he is our third most successful (run wise) Test bat. You need a guy like Fawad who can stick around and play a long innings, he's the perfect Test bat IMO.
There are others who combine this street fighter and match winning ability, but they're rare. Younis is one. Miandad is one (though he had superb, superb technique). Inzi of course was a huge fighter, but he looked damn good doing it too.

How a batsman with no technique can become anchor of our middle order?Yep he scored 168 and after that whatever few innings he played,he did not succeed.You know why?my son we are not living in 1950s.This is the age of technology.Opponent's experts and think tanks dont take long time to spot you weaknesses and your love fawad has biggest weakness.He shuffles big time,his head is all over the place and you know he is easiet wicket to get in tests since he will be plumb lbw or bowled to an delivery coming in.Needless to mention other things.pak management was quick to realize that and thats the reason he is not in test side and he never will be.yeh andar ki khabar hai bhaya.and those who say yk and miandad did nt have any technique do not know abt the alif bay of cricket.

 

[GOAT]

 

[KSaeed]

He's rubbish......will probably work in Tests

How old are you and how much do you know about cricket?

 

[MRSN]

if hes still playing for Pakistan in 5 years ?

Pakistan would be playing with the likes of IRE , CAN and AFG more regularly then .

any reasons why are you saying that?

Fawads fan wont be happy sir.

 

[jusarrived]

any reasons why are you saying that?

Fawads fan wont be happy sir.

cos he shouldn't be anywhere near a half decent team & if you have accommodated him for 5 years , its only possible if Pakistan falls to level of Can , IR etc . He will not make it to the current Bangladesh lineup ..whats he doing in a Pak team ?

How can some one be a Fawad fan , its worse than being a Ravindra Jadeja fan lol

 

[kkmix]

cos he shouldn't be anywhere near a half decent team & if you have accommodated him for 5 years , its only possible if Pakistan falls to level of Can , IR etc . He will not make it to the current Bangladesh lineup ..whats he doing in a Pak team ?

How can some one be a Fawad fan , its worse than being a Ravindra Jadeja fan lol

there is something called being picked on merit...and that's solely the reason of his selection...he has the highest average in the domestic at the moment, now if you don't pick that player, you will start crying that people are not bring picked on merit.

 

[Leonidos]

cos he shouldn't be anywhere near a half decent team & if you have accommodated him for 5 years , its only possible if Pakistan falls to level of Can , IR etc . He will not make it to the current Bangladesh lineup ..whats he doing in a Pak team ?

How can some one be a Fawad fan , its worse than being a Ravindra Jadeja fan lol

He wont even make it to the Afghan team.Ravindra Jadeja is miles better than this idiot.

 

[emclub]

I do remb you.A left arm spiner,bit fatty and a good striker of the ball.how r doing now?

im good

 

[jusarrived]

Thanks bro, I really enjoy reading stuff on PP!

I never really saw much of Miandad batting, but I do know he wore down players with his temperament. Cricket is a mental game just as much as a game of technique, when your batting you need both.

Plus seriously, Pak team need guys who wana work hard man, talent is one thing, but a hard work ethic will get you so much more.

you think Miandad would have succeeded with just mental tough ? it was his strength , but there wer other attributes to his game which made him a world class batsmen ..same with all other comparisons made here . you can get away with one weakness in international cricket , but its impossible if you are weak at everything else & mentally strong(am yet to see that either ) ....Fawads Technique is bad , cant hit big , looks ugly & the worst part is , he even struggles to pick singles when required .from what I have seen , hes a 25-30 avg batsmen in both tests and ODI at a poor strike rate & I bet am not going to be wrong on this .

 

[kkmix]

He wont even make it to the Afghan team.Ravindra Jadeja is miles better than this idiot.

keep that sort of language for yourself plz.

 

[kkmix]

from what I have seen , hes a 25-30 avg batsmen in both tests and ODI at a poor strike rate & I bet am not going to be wrong on this .

So, so far he has proved you wrong right. agreed?

 

[jusarrived]

there is something called being picked on merit...and that's solely the reason of his selection...he has the highest average in the domestic at the moment, now if you don't pick that player, you will start crying that people are not bring picked on merit.

his domestic performance is irrelevant now , it was good for the first call up , but now its his intl performance which counts .

 

[jusarrived]

So, so far he has proved you wrong right. agreed?

yeah sure , not for too long though

 

[kkmix]

his domestic performance is irrelevant now , it was good for the first call up , but now its his intl performance which counts .

Evenn if you just look at his international performance, he deserves a spot in the team, and whether he looks ugly or not, bad technique, too slow, is absolutely irrelevant if a batsman is giving satisfactory performance. And remember not every player was a born 'great'. They have been nurtured into being one.

 

[MRSN]

his domestic performance is irrelevant now , it was good for the first call up , but now its his intl performance which counts .

+1

If a player keeps finding his place in the squad based on average then Australia should bring Hodge and rogers back immediately .Its your International performance which counts.Your Skills are questioned,your abilities to bat in different situations is tested as well.So far he has FAILED and I don't expect anything different from him in the future

 

[1137moiz]

+1

If a player keeps finding his place in the squad based on average then Australia should bring Hodge and rogers back immediately .Its your International performance which counts.Your Skills are questioned,your abilities to bat in different situations is tested as well.So far he has FAILED and I don't expect anything different from him in the future

except he hasn't failed internationally has he?

 

[1137moiz]

This thread made me wonder what a Pakistan XI in 5-6 years may look alike. A risky venture but an up-and-coming team could be like this:

Ahmed Shehzad
Captain Azeem Ghumman
Umar Akmal
Fawad Alam
Asad Shafiq
Mansoor Amjad
Hammad Azam
Sarfraz Ahmed
Wahab Riaz
Najaf Shah
Reza Hasan

 

[rhussain33]

Fawad in 5 years time... Captain of Pak ODIs and Tests

 

[MajidBhuta-AamirFan]

Fawad in 5 years time... Captain of Pak ODIs and Tests

wow how lucky this player is, i am very sure about him that if he was Ind, SL, SA, AUS he couldn't make their third level team.

Look like we are going very low after 5 years!

 

[1137moiz]

Fawad in 5 years time... Captain of Pak ODIs and Tests

I don't think so...he doesn't really look captaincy material. But a good player nonetheless

 

[MRSN]

wow how lucky this player is, i am very sure about him that if he was Ind, SL, SA, AUS he couldn't make their third level team.

Look like we are going very low after 5 years!

Indeed

Replace him with haris sohail immediately

 

[sunnysheikh420]

Fawad Alam should be labelled as test player and after 5 years he will remain a bits and pieces cricketer.

He should be boycotted from International ODI & T20 Cricket.

And maybe after 5 years he has earned enough to do a laser treatment to get his unibrows done

 

[tracker22]

How about a full time coach for local high school team...?

 

[kkmix]

Going by the international performances lately, only 1 or 2 players would save their spot. So picking out fawad isn't right, Fawad is equally garbage or as good as Umar Akmal.

 

[Kriketer]

cos he shouldn't be anywhere near a half decent team & if you have accommodated him for 5 years , its only possible if Pakistan falls to level of Can , IR etc . He will not make it to the current Bangladesh lineup ..whats he doing in a Pak team ?

How can some one be a Fawad fan , its worse than being a Ravindra Jadeja fan lol

Well the obvious difference is Fawad has performed several times for Pakistan and Jadeja has never for India.

Fawad is ugly to watch and can't hit big boundaries, but the guy is pretty effective when it comes to staying busy at the crease. He keeps taking cheeky singles-doubles and has been involved in good number of partnerships with others. He plays a vital role in the middle order to keep wickets handy for late order hitting for players like Afridi and Razzaq.

Got a good feeling, Fawad will contribute big in our WC quest.

 

[Usman]

All this talk about Fawad's technique is getting old. Katich is not technically perfect and neither is Chanderpaul. Virender Sehwag was until very recently, the world number one batsman and he is still there abouts. Hashim Amla is the world number one odi batsman. Now what does it tell you about technique if the world number 1 batsmen in both forms of the game are a slap on the face of technique? It doesn't tell you technique isn't important, but that technique isn't even a small barrier to success.

Now before I get a barrage of comments saying how dare I compare great players to Fawad Alam, allow me to say this - Virender Sehwag and Hashim Amla weren't born great. In fact Hashim Amla in particular received THE EXACT type of criticism that you guys are putting on Fawad. They used to say he'll never play international cricket with that back-lift. However, Hashim performed consistently in domestic cricket and with that in mind, the South African selectors decided to persist with him. Now all those so called 'experts' are hiding in their shells. Even on the world's flattest pitches, you don't average 55 if you don't know how to bat. Fawad's technique is obviously something which has worked for him. So what if the textbook doesn't teach you to bat like that - if the Indians and the South Africans gave as much importance to the textbook as Pakistan, then the world would have been deprived of two great players.

Fawad did the most he could possibly have been asked to do as a test debutant - opening the batting when he's never done it before AND scoring one of the highest test debut scores ever. May I remind you that Fawad's score in his first ever test was only about 20 runs shy of Jacques Kaliis's all time highest score. People regularly dismiss this as some sort of average achievement because of the flat pitch, but to be honest with you, I didn't really see a single one of the 'established' batsmen even get close to Fawad's score in the entire series.

Only and only in Pakistan would a player who made 170 odd runs on debut against a quality opposition get dropped after a couple more games. It is frankly ridiculous to suggest that the 2 games after his debut were a clear indication of his ability because you can't judge something like that on 2 tests. Fawad Alam may not turn out to be the next great batsman for Pakistan. In the same way, Azhar Ali may not either, and maybe not even Asad Shafiq. The point is however that you're only ever going to truly find out if you let them play. If you're prepared to give Imran Farhat 40 odd test matches when he honestly can't hold a bat, then at least give the guy an opportunity of just 10 tests. If he doesn't perform then you have a point, but to stand here and assert he won't perform on the back of no evidence whatsoever is just totally unfair on the lad.

 

[rhussain33]

Usman, Indeed you have spoken some true words. Well done to you. Another POTW !

 

[BoomBoomCricket]

1) Big NO.

2) Being regarded as they guy who was once the most overhyped cricketer in the country.

 

[Warfare]

Lets hope Fawad is picked for the tests

 

[ahsan88]

All this talk about Fawad's technique is getting old. Katich is not technically perfect and neither is Chanderpaul. Virender Sehwag was until very recently, the world number one batsman and he is still there abouts. Hashim Amla is the world number one odi batsman. Now what does it tell you about technique if the world number 1 batsmen in both forms of the game are a slap on the face of technique? It doesn't tell you technique isn't important, but that technique isn't even a small barrier to success.

Now before I get a barrage of comments saying how dare I compare great players to Fawad Alam, allow me to say this - Virender Sehwag and Hashim Amla weren't born great. In fact Hashim Amla in particular received THE EXACT type of criticism that you guys are putting on Fawad. They used to say he'll never play international cricket with that back-lift. However, Hashim performed consistently in domestic cricket and with that in mind, the South African selectors decided to persist with him. Now all those so called 'experts' are hiding in their shells. Even on the world's flattest pitches, you don't average 55 if you don't know how to bat. Fawad's technique is obviously something which has worked for him. So what if the textbook doesn't teach you to bat like that - if the Indians and the South Africans gave as much importance to the textbook as Pakistan, then the world would have been deprived of two great players.

Fawad did the most he could possibly have been asked to do as a test debutant - opening the batting when he's never done it before AND scoring one of the highest test debut scores ever. May I remind you that Fawad's score in his first ever test was only about 20 runs shy of Jacques Kaliis's all time highest score. People regularly dismiss this as some sort of average achievement because of the flat pitch, but to be honest with you, I didn't really see a single one of the 'established' batsmen even get close to Fawad's score in the entire series.

Only and only in Pakistan would a player who made 170 odd runs on debut against a quality opposition get dropped after a couple more games. It is frankly ridiculous to suggest that the 2 games after his debut were a clear indication of his ability because you can't judge something like that on 2 tests. Fawad Alam may not turn out to be the next great batsman for Pakistan. In the same way, Azhar Ali may not either, and maybe not even Asad Shafiq. The point is however that you're only ever going to truly find out if you let them play. If you're prepared to give Imran Farhat 40 odd test matches when he honestly can't hold a bat, then at least give the guy an opportunity of just 10 tests. If he doesn't perform then you have a point, but to stand here and assert he won't perform on the back of no evidence whatsoever is just totally unfair on the lad.

Top post, agree with almost everything.

 

[Faizan Lakhani]

1- Not actually a fan, but friend and a supporter of his inclusion.
2- in 10 years, as selector or probably chief selector Pakistan team Sallu Bhai of future - he is

 

[Ryw]

Top post, agree with almost everything.

Fawad Alam has to work hard 4 a comeback

 

[Warfare]

Fawad Alam has to work hard 4 a comeback

He averaged above 75 in the Pak domestic season and if I remember correctly, was the highest run scorer. Would be idiotic not to select him.

 

[Faizan Lakhani]

Btw, in my honest opinion, Fawad Alam was another victim of nepotism and injustice in Pakistan cricket. He, at least, deserve to be there in test team, if you are dropping him from ODIs for not being able to hit boundaries.

 

[Ryw]

I think he is a good test player

 

[ahsan88]

Fawad Alam has to work hard 4 a comeback

I think he did very well in the last domestic season, was the top scorer in the Pentangular Cup.

The only thing not in his favour is our settled test batting lineup.

 

[Faizan Lakhani]

He averaged above 75 in the Pak domestic season and if I remember correctly, was the highest run scorer. Would be idiotic not to select him.

Sarfaras was the best wicket keeper in Pentagular, but he was ignored and the one who selected wasn't even there among 5 best wicket keepers of the country
reminds me a SHEYR of Urdu ....

"nairangi e siyasat e daurraa tou daikhiye --- manzil unhey mili jo shareek e saffar na thay"

 

[Ryw]

Btw, in my honest opinion, Fawad Alam was another victim of nepotism and injustice in Pakistan cricket. He, at least, deserve to be there in test team, if you are dropping him from ODIs for not being able to hit boundaries.

For ODI z and T20 z He is Bohj on team

 

[Faizan Lakhani]

For ODI z and T20 z He is Bohj on team

*no comments*

 

[Warfare]

Sarfaras was the best wicket keeper in Pentagular, but he was ignored and the one who selected wasn't even there among 5 best wicket keepers of the country
reminds me a SHEYR of Urdu ....

"nairangi e siyasat e daurraa tou daikhiye --- manzil unhey mili jo shareek e saffar na thay"

I know. But did Sarfraz, Adnan or Salman drop any catches/stumpins in the Pentangular cup? How many catches did each take?

If Sarfraz was the best wicketkeeper (i.e didn't drop any catches) then this is a big injustice towards him as he was by far the best keeper-batsman in the cup.

But then again, we depend on the retards working for PCB so I'm not expecting anything exceptional.

 

[kkmix]

Until these paindos are there in PCB, they will never let Fawad and Sarfraz play, because they are not parchi players.

 

[IM NOT YOU]

best domestic player ever

averaged 39 IN australia (second best average for PAK batsman)
averaged 38 IN england (second best average for PAK batsman)

awesome fielder. good temperament. young. left handed. rotates strike with ease and quick between the wickets.


i love how people are all over him for his strike rate yet his strike rate is >>>>>> misbah. why the double standards?


this isnt even just my opinion, this is solid fact.....>> anybody who doesnt see some seriously gifted middle order ODI /test potential in fawad alam has very limited understanding of the game of cricket. its as simple as that.

 

[Warfare]

best domestic player ever

averaged 39 IN australia (second best average for PAK batsman)
averaged 38 IN england (second best average for PAK batsman)

awesome fielder. good temperament. young. left handed. rotates strike with ease and quick between the wickets.


i love how people are all over him for his strike rate yet his strike rate is >>>>>> misbah. why the double standards?


this isnt even just my opinion, this is solid fact.....>> anybody who doesnt see some seriously gifted middle order ODI /test potential in fawad alam has very limited understanding of the game of cricket. its as simple as that.

Because our fans want him to try and hit 4/6 every ball.

If he can't, then he's as good as Chris Martin.

 

[Fawad_Bhai]

Not selected once again. This is awful selection! He atleast deserved to be in the test team.

They are doing the same thing they did to Asim Kamal. Ruining his career! issed:

Hopefully the younger guns will fire (hammad, shafiq, and junaid)

 

[Riff]

Not selected once again. This is awful selection! He atleast deserved to be in the test team.

They are doing the same thing they did to Asim Kamal. Ruining his career! issed:

Hopefully the younger guns will fire (hammad, shafiq, and junaid)

I think Fawad needs to swallow some pride and apologize to Ijaz Butt. I cant see any other way of him returning.

 

[Fawad_Bhai]

I think Fawad needs to swallow some pride and apologize to Ijaz Butt. I cant see any other way of him returning.

Apologize for what? Being the best batsman available in Pakistan and still not get selected?

 

[Faizan Lakhani]

I am going to meet Fawad tomorrow or a day after tomorrow, will surely ask him where do he see himself in 5 to 10 years from now

 

[Riff]

I am going to meet Fawad tomorrow or a day after tomorrow, will surely ask him where do he see himself in 5 to 10 years from now

Be careful Faizan. Right now Fawad would be fuming in anger, any question such as this and he might just start strangling you. Either wait for a couple of weeks before asking him this or make sure someone else is around to stop Fawad

 

[zabalestmsm]

making his 5th comeback ..

ha ha wow! u were almost spot on!

 

[Mamoon]

Considering this thread was made in 2009/2010:

5 years on, a player struggling to save his career, and out of favor at the moment.

10 years on, unless his fortunes change emphatically, will be making an entry in the 'forgotten cricketers' thread.

 

[hadi123]

Considering this thread was made in 2009/2010:

5 years on, a player struggling to save his career, and out of favor at the moment.

10 years on, unless his fortunes change emphatically, will be making an entry in the 'forgotten cricketers' thread.

I disagree. I reckon he will be back in the ODI squad soon.

 

[BDwarriors]

I disagree. I reckon he will be back in the ODI squad soon.

bump this 2019 for his farewel innings

 

[Markhor]

I remember an innings at Lords in 2010 vs England, he scored something like 29 off 52 balls and was awful. He was really struggling against Graeme Swann, couldn't rotate the strike, put away the long hops or even find the gaps.

It got to the point where you were begging for him to get out.

He is a curious case as whilst his FC record is excellent, he's been out of favour with various captains/coaches/chief selectors and has been in and out of the side. Perhaps when Younis and Misbah retire he'll get a longer run in the team.

 

[Stallion__]

Not an ODI material anymore specially considering how quick 50 over game is changing in recent times. A team like England fields same XI for ODIs and T20s.

Though, he should be in reckoning for Test spot after Misbah, Younis and Hafeez retire.

 

[msb314]

Sigh

The way Fawad Alam has been treated has to go down as one of the biggest cases of gross incompetence/negligence in the history of PCB

 

[Junaids]

Sigh

The way Fawad Alam has been treated has to go down as one of the biggest cases of gross incompetence/negligence in the history of PCB

Why?

He is a player with an appalling technique, who has amassed runs against weak opposition, and he is now in the twilight of his career at the age of almost 32, the same age at which Alastair Cook resigned the captaincy to allow himself a last 12 months of Test cricket.

The same age as AB De Villiers entered semi-retirement from Test cricket, and a year older than Graeme Smith was when he retired.

And Fawad Alam's decline is obvious: he was the 20th highest run scorer in last year's QEA season.

 

[msb314]

Why?

He is a player with an appalling technique, who has amassed runs against weak opposition, and he is now in the twilight of his career at the age of almost 32, the same age at which Alastair Cook resigned the captaincy to allow himself a last 12 months of Test cricket.

The same age as AB De Villiers entered semi-retirement from Test cricket, and a year older than Graeme Smith was when he retired.

And Fawad Alam's decline is obvious: he was the 20th highest run scorer in last year's QEA season.

Lets go back on a memory trip to July 2009 - Fawad Alam scored a a debut 168 vs SL during the 2nd Test of our tour. It was a great knock and he showed true grit and right as an opener despite "appalling technique".

Move forward a few months to November 2009 and Fawad Alam played his Test match during the 1st Test of Pakistan's tour of NZ.

Then a few months later in January 2010 - Fawad Alam was sent back home after the 1st Test against Australia for reasons that were forever a mystery to be never selected for the Test team again.

My question is why discard him after only Test matches when he scored a debut 150??!! It is gross incompetence at best and probably a political decision. He was amongst the top run scorers during the QEA trophy for so many years and a 55+ average.

He may be past it now but he got the wrong end of the stick for so many years for reasons that we will never understand.

Blame falls on Misbah a lot for never giving him a chance (whos own technique and temperament is suspect at best).

Feel sorry for Fawad and hope he makes it in wherever his future lies.

 

[zyrus]

Why?

He is a player with an appalling technique, who has amassed runs against weak opposition, and he is now in the twilight of his career at the age of almost 32, the same age at which Alastair Cook resigned the captaincy to allow himself a last 12 months of Test cricket.

The same age as AB De Villiers entered semi-retirement from Test cricket, and a year older than Graeme Smith was when he retired.

And Fawad Alam's decline is obvious: he was the 20th highest run scorer in last year's QEA season.

vs SL (better days) in SL is not weak.

 

[zyrus]

Lets go back on a memory trip to July 2009 - Fawad Alam scored a a debut 168 vs SL during the 2nd Test of our tour. It was a great knock and he showed true grit and right as an opener despite "appalling technique".

Move forward a few months to November 2009 and Fawad Alam played his Test match during the 1st Test of Pakistan's tour of NZ.

Then a few months later in January 2010 - Fawad Alam was sent back home after the 1st Test against Australia for reasons that were forever a mystery to be never selected for the Test team again.

My question is why discard him after only Test matches when he scored a debut 150??!! It is gross incompetence at best and probably a political decision. He was amongst the top run scorers during the QEA trophy for so many years and a 55+ average.

He may be past it now but he got the wrong end of the stick for so many years for reasons that we will never understand.

Blame falls on Misbah a lot for never giving him a chance (whos own technique and temperament is suspect at best).

Feel sorry for Fawad and hope he makes it in wherever his future lies.

Same reason which has delayed Sarfraz's entry into the team back in 2015 WC.