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Fawad Alam - Support Thread

He has been given chances before. He is HORRIBLE.

I know, but trust me, not enough chance to never see him again in the foreseeable future of Pakistan cricket. Fawadi has huge support-base, established campaign and lobby. :sanga #good luck getting rid of him
 
Other batsmen don't score runs, but he gets bullied literally.
 
Regarding Azhar Ali , why would u play him at 6 when he can play like he has played at the top ? Still I'm sure he can play better than Fawad at 6 . As far as Fawad is concerned , he doesn't look like a batsman to be honest & will even struggle at n0. 3 or 4 position too against good teams . My friend the game has changed a lot . Now U necessarily need to have a power game cause u can't rely on taking singles only which has become a little difficult because of the additional fielder inside the 30 yard circle .On the contrary , boundary scoring has become a bit easier coz of the fielding rule and two new ball rule . Fawad neither has the power nor the timing nor the innovative strokeplay to match the modern batting standards . He is no worse than a tailender in such conditions . Good teams will stiffle him out easily .

I'm not advocating for Fawad's spot in the team, because despite playing at 6, he should've done better in this series. He has fallen down the pecking order below the likes of Rizwan for now.

But what I'm saying is, that if he plays again, 3 or 4 is the spot. He has batted in such situations before and has done well. These are the positions where he has a CHANCE of succeeding (not saying he will).

I can say, however that he will not succeed, coming into a situation where he is required to up the tempo and play aggressively. I don't know why he was played there, when anyone who has ever seen him bat before, knows that he doesn't have it in him to be that kind of a player. He will always take his time to get in. Similar to the likes of Dravid and Kallis. (Not saying that in terms of quality/substance at all, but that they can NOT start hitting from the get go.)
 
Funny to note that many people vouched for him to take over as ODI captain from Misbah.
 
Should never play for Pakistan ever again. Horrible batsman. Interesting how so much of his fan-base has turned against him in such quick time. The hue and cry for his inclusion in the World Cup was staggering to say the least
 
Nikaaal bahar karo.. gully mohallay ke cricketer hain saray ke saray.
 
We should go into self-imposed exile, put our house inorder and come back and kick some rear ends.


(Would never happen, just a fantasy)
 
Funny to note that many people vouched for him to take over as ODI captain from Misbah.

That was the HOT topic - who says that a new Captain shouldn't be appointed just before the WC........ However, as Captain, his individual stats won't have been that bad.........
 
Did well in the A game today considering all other batsmen who came before him were struggling should have gone on to score a century though but gritty innings nonetheless.
 
I hope he gets a few opportunities somehow and fills his boots in the UAE/Subcontinent of which he is perfectly capable, before he gets exposed in England and Australia next year and his Test career comes to a premature end.

ODI career is over already.

It will be a disaster if he plays in England and Australia next year as Misbah's replacement instead of Haris.
 
I hope he gets a few opportunities somehow and fills his boots in the UAE/Subcontinent of which he is perfectly capable, before he gets exposed in England and Australia next year and his Test career comes to a premature end.

ODI career is over already.

It will be a disaster if he plays in England and Australia next year as Misbah's replacement instead of Haris.

You underestimate him too much if he was that bad he would not be averaging 38 and 39 in ODI's in England and Australia respectively even though that format is not considered his forte.

Any how even if he lacks the perfect technique he has more determination than people " blessed" with it. If he gets a chance to play overseas he will prove you wrong and countless others on this forum.
 
There's nothing for me to suggest that Fawad lacks technique to play the moving ball. In his debut match, he weathered a storm from SL bowlers. Kulasekara was banana swinging it, Thushara with bounce and movement, left arm angle bowling at 90mph, and Mathews moving it off the pitch like leg breaks. If he could weathered that 45 minutes as a debutant, he should be good enough now to weather anything, given he is experienced enough.
 
Asad Shafiq after countless failures - "He hasn't gotten consistent chances in one spot and has been treated unfairly"

Fawad Alam - "He hasn't gotten consistent chances in one spot but he has been treated completely fair after 1-2 failures against Australia, deserves to be dropped forever"

Not that I think Fawad deserves a spot on the team, he simply isn't better than the guys who are above him, but he does deserve a spot over that clown masquerading as an LOI batsmen.
 
You underestimate him too much if he was that bad he would not be averaging 38 and 39 in ODI's in England and Australia respectively even though that format is not considered his forte.

Any how even if he lacks the perfect technique he has more determination than people " blessed" with it. If he gets a chance to play overseas he will prove you wrong and countless others on this forum.

Stats can be used to prove many things, such as Shafiq being a big match ODI player because he averages 70 in World Cups etc. etc.

I respect your opinion, but I would rather look at what he did between the last 6-12 months rather than half a decade; the way he batted against Australia and Bangladesh is his true worth in my eyes.

Sure he is more than good enough to score Test runs in UAE etc., but I have no expectations from him in England/Australia.

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Stats can be used to prove many things, such as Shafiq being a big match ODI player because he averages 70 in World Cups etc. etc.

I respect your opinion, but I would rather look at what he did between the last 6-12 months rather than half a decade; the way he batted against Australia and Bangladesh is his true worth in my eyes.

Sure he is more than good enough to score Test runs in UAE etc., but I have no expectations from him in England/Australia.

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Anybody can go through a bad patch in the BD series he came back after a long while. IIRC even Hafeez didn't do anything in that series but he did well against SRL in the next one.

Shoaib Malik could not buy a run in 4 years not even a 50. Yet he is making scores right?
Fawad's bad patch was just 2 series. Anyways that chapter is closed now but In Tests It's a different ball game altogether and he is perfectly suited for this format and history has it whenever we have toured overseas most of our Batsmen have failed even if they are touted to be technically sound rewind to England tour 2010 so why single out Fawad. The recent debacle of Australia in Ashes shows that if the ball is moving no one survives and I don't think our Batsmen are going to do any better.
 
Fawad is a must in test team. Solid, gritty batsman who can score big hundreds, unlike Shafiq and Azhar.

He could have been a perfect top order ODI player, but he was made to play at no 6. His strike rotation is exceptional - 2nd lowest dot-ball percentage among all batsmen (after Duminy) in ODIs since 2000. Compare him to 24 averaging 'technique' Shafiq, who has never played at no 6 position.

In any case, I hope he is at least utilised in the test cricket by the team management.
 
Anybody can go through a bad patch in the BD series he came back after a long while. IIRC even Hafeez didn't do anything in that series but he did well against SRL in the next one.

Shoaib Malik could not buy a run in 4 years not even a 50. Yet he is making scores right?
Fawad's bad patch was just 2 series. Anyways that chapter is closed now but In Tests It's a different ball game altogether and he is perfectly suited for this format and history has it whenever we have toured overseas most of our Batsmen have failed even if they are touted to be technically sound rewind to England tour 2010 so why single out Fawad. The recent debacle of Australia in Ashes shows that if the ball is moving no one survives and I don't think our Batsmen are going to do any better.

That may be true, but you cannot blame me for my reservations, which have only been strengthened by his recent performances and glaringly obvious shortcomings.
 
That may be true, but you cannot blame me for my reservations, which have only been strengthened by his recent performances and glaringly obvious shortcomings.

It's hypocritical though.

I don't necessarily point this to you necessarily but those who support X or Y player and then have a different standard for Z and A player.

Fawad doesn't score in two series, he has proven my point that he is not cut for good competition or international material.

Shafiq doesn't score, well ever, but he has flawless technique, that clearly isn't flawless if he continuously gets out for mediocre totals.

It's the hypocrisy I'm not a fan of. Have the same standard for all players.

Fawad has a weird stance, doesn't have great power, and doesn't deserve to make the ODI squad, I get that, but then don't turn it around and say Shafiq will eventually come good because he has a pretty stance and scores in tests (not saying you said that, just statements that have been thrown around willy nilly).

What about what Fawad say does do better than Shafiq, and at the end of the day matters most, which is score runs on a fairly consistent basis, and doesn't get out all the time for meager totals.

It's as though people think it is something personal with Shafiq or Malik or anyone else. If you score runs, I will support you, at the end of the day, I want Pakistan to win just as you or anyone else does. This personal reservations against players and using them as a means of argument holds to weight.

You either score runs or don't score runs, and Shafiq doesn't score runs (in LOIs) and Fawad does but probably will be found wanting against better attacks and international pitches, and furthermore simply has better guys in front of him in the pecking order.

These are facts.

Do not make Shafiq a better LOI player than Fawad based on truly nothing, he simply is not.

Statements such as Shafiq is a big time player also irk me a bit when it was 3 matches in the WC, one of which was against Zimbabwe, a mediocre one against Australia (yes he scored a 40, however he struggled mightely in that innings), and a 30 against India. The 70 against Zimbabwe bolstered his average as well.

It also twists my eyes when a player will score against a mediocre team and no one puts weight into it, however another player will score against that same team and all of a sudden it is the coming of age of said player.

Shafiq scored against Ireland, actually a solid knock, and chest thumpers come in and talk of how they were right, Fawad scores against Bangladesh and SL and it is that he will be found out by better attacks, just wait. What about when Shafiq failed consistently in ODI's right after Ireland? No one came forward to claim their victory for that.

Sarfraz is thrown up and down the order and still performs relatively speaking, and Shafiq for some reason gets the defence of he has been thrown up and down the order, he has been in and out of the team. His ideal position of #3 and shafiq averages 32 in 23 matches with a sub 70 SR. I don't care whether there are gaps in between, this is a dog eat dog world, you either perform, or don't perform, pressure is a part of your job, and if you don't someone will come in take your spot.

I do not attack you for this Mamoon, it is a general statement, it can be said of Shehzad, Misbah, Afridi, and all the fans of them who support them and lean away from objectivity and live in the subjective.

I like X player, therefore I will have a set of standards of said X player which I will not apply to Y player say because I remember 4-5 innings of class and it overshadows the 40 innings of poor cricketer.

Umar Akmal fanboys are the same. He came onto the scene bursting with talent, and then people still keep that image of him and have not seen the transition of a player who had talent, to simply a leg side hoiker who premeditates and has lost the ability to use his brain, simply thinking talent will get it done.

This same notion occurred with Sarfraz not too long ago, where every success was waiting for a failure to point the finger to prove the narrative, whereas for Malik with consistent failures of 4 years, were supported with he will come good. It is great, he has come good, hell he looks our best player out there and I couldn't be happier, but the discrepancy between attitudes bothers me.

Have the same standards for all and be objective.

As I said, Fawad won't be on the team, I can't see it, Harris, Babar, Malik, Shafiq, Sarfraz, probably will be the middle order for quite a bit of time once Misbah and YK leave (in tests), and in ODIs there are up and comers left and right who simply are better and have more potential. That is a fair assessment.

You say your reservations are strengthened on such a small sample size, and yet on the 4 years of Malik it wasn't a sample size enough? Malik in truth really shouldn't have been given an opportunity, as he had nothing really to bank on, performance wise, except for T20 leagues, but he took his chance and ran with it which is true kudos to him, now we have to see if there is any real substance to Malik against a real test in England and not these teams we have been facing. I am again a fan and hope for the best, but history pulls at me.

Everyone needs to stop being painted with different brushes and then maybe we can have some objective discussions instead of fighting about who likes who simply because they have some personal allegiance to them.
 
Back to his normal. He is in his 30s now. Some young lad should have been selected in his place for test squad. Clueless PCB
 
Fawad Alam was 24 years old when, at Colombo in July 2009, he scored a remarkable 168 on Test debut against Sri Lanka. However, he played just two more Tests thereafter before being banished from the squad for six long years.

He turned 30 last week, and as if to celebrate, he is back in the reckoning. He is a member of Pakistan's squad for the first Test against England, overdue reward for five solid years in which he has maintained a domestic batting average in excess of 50.

Oddly, Fawad hasn't been completely overlooked by the selectors in the intervening years. His career has included 38 ODIs and 24 T20s, although that format's frenzied requirements are not exactly to his liking, as a highest score of 28 would imply. Test cricket's tempo seems much more in tune with his strengths, and for that reason he sees the coming series as the chance for a new beginning.

"I am feeling like I got a debut call for Test cricket," Alam said ahead of the first Test in Abu Dhabi. "Five years is a huge gap as I last played a Test when I was like 24 or 25. So this all makes me feel like I am picked up for the very first time and I have to re-gather my thoughts and I am excited for the chance."

Despite regular recalls to Pakistan's limited-overs squads, neither the team management or the selection committee have ever made him a part of their long-term planning. His response has been to become a bona fide domestic giant, with 17 of his 23 first-class hundreds coming in the years since his exile. Though he tended to do enough in ODI cricket to warrant a place in the next series, he has always been easy prey for Pakistan's selectorial whims. But any opportunity to play for his country is one that he embraces.

"Its not about what is the right format for me, it's about how I manage myself and how I switch myself for the respective format," he says. "It is unfair to say that Test cricket is the right format for me. Whatever the chance I get in any format, that's the best for me. "A good player is a good player who can play every format and adjust himself accordingly. I might not have been able to continue after 2009 but whatever chance I got I tried my best to give my best. My job as a professional player is to play cricket, whatever the role I am given, and I am out here to grab every opportunity."

Alam's long absence from the Test squad has been mitigated, in the selectors' eyes, by the wealth of talent that has been at their disposal. The team has been unusually stable under Misbah-ul-Haq but the captain himself has hinted, at the age of 41, that this series might be his last, while Younis Khan won't continue much longer either.

"We never got to have a chance to pick him in the Test squad because there is a well-settled 15 men for the Test and we can't afford to dislodge it," Haroon Rasheed, the chief selector, said. "He had always been in our minds but we always wait for the room to fit him in."

Fawad had not expected to be named in the squad for the England series, but he is keeping his fingers crossed now that he has made it this far. "I am not sure if I will make into the playing XI but I can assure that I can do my best to make a difference with my performance. It's entirely up to the team management but I am ready for anything."

His awkward batting stance has, he believes, been overplayed . He might not have the physique to crash boundaries at will but he backs himself in any situation. "The perception about having an old-school technique is bookish talk," he says. "Whatever it is, old school or gold school, I don't believe it. It has nothing to with the practical cricket as, whatever the way I play, I am scoring runs and that is much more important. If I am not scoring runs you have every right to point that out, but I am scoring runs, whatever the way I bat.

"I understand we all get to improve every day, and I know the things I need to manage. So I can only say a player should be judged on his performance. That is the answer to everyone who doubts me."
 
The most mistreated player by Pakistan, he should play as a number 3 ahead of hafeez until and unless hafeez passes bowling test

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Now heres a player i like not the best in the world, unorthodox batting action, gritty and can rotate the strike easily, probably make the ones into twos. Man we need players that can do the basics...
 
The most mistreated player by Pakistan, he should play as a number 3 ahead of hafeez until and unless hafeez passes bowling test

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Disagree as Hafeez is doing a fine job at 3. Unless you're talking T20s where neither deserves to be in the team.

People are always predicting him to fail. He was predicted to fail at the start of his career and despite not batting in position for some innings (opener in tests), he succeeded in both tests and ODIs. People said he'd fail on his comeback. He didn't, I don't exactly see a 45 average on comeback as failing especially when a lot of our other batsmen are struggling for runs. He even batted a bit quicker than before generally.

It's unfair the double standards he has to face. Just judge him on his performances. Don't drop him because he is thought to eventually fail, let him fail first if he's going to fail. A bad series shouldn't have been enough to drop him after the success against Sri Lanka, especially since many in the Australian series (we got thrashed in both) yet were given a free pass. Was then brought back for just one Bangladesh series, where again everyone did rubbish and then was discarded. Wasn't fair.
 
Disagree as Hafeez is doing a fine job at 3. Unless you're talking T20s where neither deserves to be in the team.

People are always predicting him to fail. He was predicted to fail at the start of his career and despite not batting in position for some innings (opener in tests), he succeeded in both tests and ODIs. People said he'd fail on his comeback. He didn't, I don't exactly see a 45 average on comeback as failing especially when a lot of our other batsmen are struggling for runs. He even batted a bit quicker than before generally.

It's unfair the double standards he has to face. Just judge him on his performances. Don't drop him because he is thought to eventually fail, let him fail first if he's going to fail. A bad series shouldn't have been enough to drop him after the success against Sri Lanka, especially since many in the Australian series (we got thrashed in both) yet were given a free pass. Was then brought back for just one Bangladesh series, where again everyone did rubbish and then was discarded. Wasn't fair.
Hafeez never truly gives you some security as you feel he'll let his wicket go for cheap, fawad however puts a price on his. Hafeez also tends to only perform in 1 game throughout a series, the rest not do much. Yes I do understand that Hafeez has vastly improved and has been one of our most solid bats in recent time it's just that he's quite old and at most only has a few years left, maybe 2-3 more good years. Fawad on the other hand is 5 years younger. Not too mention Hafeez is horrendous on sporting wickets, fawad on the other hand hasn't done too bad.
If Hafeez however starts bowling like he used to, then there's no doubt he's our MVP.
 
Hafeez never truly gives you some security as you feel he'll let his wicket go for cheap, fawad however puts a price on his. Hafeez also tends to only perform in 1 game throughout a series, the rest not do much. Yes I do understand that Hafeez has vastly improved and has been one of our most solid bats in recent time it's just that he's quite old and at most only has a few years left, maybe 2-3 more good years. Fawad on the other hand is 5 years younger. Not too mention Hafeez is horrendous on sporting wickets, fawad on the other hand hasn't done too bad.
If Hafeez however starts bowling like he used to, then there's no doubt he's our MVP.

I'd have Fawad in the team just keep Hafeez at 3. You could play Fawad at 5. I guess you could play Fawad at 3 and Hafeez at 5, but it's a bit of a gamble as Hafeez is a top order batsman and Fawad isn't really. But both deserve to be in the team. Over time I feel Fawad could naturally move up anyway, especially when Hafeez retires. No.4 position is Babar's and it doesn't seem that's going to change anytime soon.

I feel like most of our ODI batting positions are locked already. Hafeez, Babar, Malik, Sarfraz all will and should play. Azhar is captain so will probably keep his place. Means only two batting positions left. And don't think Fawad will open, so really one middle order place left (or two if Sarfraz opens which tbh think he should do). So highest I really see Fawad playing is at 5, providing Malik bats at 6 (which I think is working atm, leave him there). And Fawad nor Malik will really work at 7.
 
I see Fawad's contribution in Pakistan cricket post Misbah-YK era after 2017.... He will be the senior guy in the test lineup consisting of Azhar, Asad, Sarfaraz Babar and Harris and this right here, coupled with Fawad is a gun test lineup anywhere in the world.

Fawad
Babar
Azhar
Harris
Asad
Sarafraz (Captain)

I can bet a lot of money, given any XYZ conditions, more often than not this lineup is scoring approx 350 runs each innings. That's almost 700 runs in the entire game to play for and with our bowling of:

Amir
Asif
Junaid
Yasir
Imran Khan 2.0

We can surely defend 35 runs per wicket with this lineup....
 
Tests were always his best format. It's embarassing that he couldn't play any aerial shots, but he is a fighter and he hasn't given up yet. Especially in Asia, I think he can be an asset for us in Tests. Him, Harris Sohail, Babar Azam, and maybe Umar Amin all have a good chance of getting into the Test side in 1-2 years.

I'm actually more worried about our fast bowling right now. Long term prospects don't look good. I was impressed by Hassan Ali and a couple others but overall it looks bleak. Unless we can transform Ehsan Adil and harness his potential and get Junaid back to 2012 version.
 
He is the ugly duckling of Pakistan cricket. Looks ugly whenever he comes to bat, but has turned into a swan whenever given the opportunity. If players like him are dropped for picturesque players like Umar Amin and Asad Shafiq, then Pakistan deserves to occupy the beautiful number 9 spot.
 
the sporadic commentary on this thread is like the watering the wilting flower that often gets forgotten because its in a far corner of your balcony.
On point. still ugly bat, see no future in test or odi. for entertainment, we could take him to australia and then banish him forever thereafter (but but but....he scored runs in perth.....)
 
Fawad Alam has been very much ill treated by Pakistanis and his potential was never allowed to blossom. Pakistan has lost 10 years of service of Fawad already. At least use his remaining years of cricket left in him.
 
Shame on the magical and evil Karachi lobby for failing to get him in the team considering according to some it is them who select the team
 
Fawad should get in the test team after YK and Misbah retire. But he should be nowhere near the ODI or T20 teams he is outdated in those formats.

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He can be our new UAE track Bully in Tests to replace the King:misbah

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He can be our new UAE track Bully in Tests to replace the King:misbah

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Huh? He can't bully anyone. too harmless play.

And comparing to The King is blasphemy.
 
Huh? He can't bully anyone. too harmless play.

And comparing to The King is blasphemy.
In UAE tests he can tuk tuk along at a low strike rate and grind the opposition into the dust. he doesn't have the extra gear the king does but he can achieve a similar output in the UAE in Tests IMO. Will struggle outside Asia though.

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In UAE tests he can tuk tuk along at a low strike rate and grind the opposition into the dust. he doesn't have the extra gear the king does but he can achieve a similar output in the UAE in Tests IMO. Will struggle outside Asia though.

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For heaven's sake. Even Azhar/Shafiq can't reach the level of Misbah and the way he dominates plus changes gear, not to forget his strong temperament and the ability to bring us out of trouble from a collapse.

Don't bring Fawad in this comparison.
 
It's incredible how badly this guy's stocks dropped after that 1 ODI vs Australia haha :))

All his fan boys were rooting so hard for him pre-Asia cup, and were feeling triggered post Asia-cup final.

Only for Australia to expose him. Then the stocks truly plummeted. Shows why you have to take domestic bullying with a grain of salt.
 
For heaven's sake. Even Azhar/Shafiq can't reach the level of Misbah and the way he dominates plus changes gear, not to forget his strong temperament and the ability to bring us out of trouble from a collapse.

Don't bring Fawad in this comparison.
Fawad has a good temperament and is a gritty batsman. With those qualities he can do well on the benign UAE surfaces. Time will tell if he can match Misbahs output as a batsman but he is the best candidate outside Azhar and Shafiq to do that in the UAE. We won't see Fawad smashing spinners like Misbah can but he can grind out runs. He should definitely be in the test team post Misbah and YKs retirement.

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Fawad has a good temperament and is a gritty batsman. With those qualities he can do well on the benign UAE surfaces. Time will tell if he can match Misbahs output as a batsman but he is the best candidate outside Azhar and Shafiq to do that in the UAE. We won't see Fawad smashing spinners like Misbah can but he can grind out runs. He should definitely be in the test team post Misbah and YKs retirement.

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He can be 'tried' in Tests after their retirement but it's foolish to think he can be as good.

We'll be short on bats so yes he should get a chance.
 
In UAE tests he can tuk tuk along at a low strike rate and grind the opposition into the dust. he doesn't have the extra gear the king does but he can achieve a similar output in the UAE in Tests IMO. Will struggle outside Asia though.

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Will still do better than Azhar and Asad.
 
It's incredible how badly this guy's stocks dropped after that 1 ODI vs Australia haha :))

All his fan boys were rooting so hard for him pre-Asia cup, and were feeling triggered post Asia-cup final.

Only for Australia to expose him. Then the stocks truly plummeted. Shows why you have to take domestic bullying with a grain of salt.

He is still a better option than Asad or Azhar in Tests.
 
Will still do better than Azhar and Asad.
I think Azhar and Asad will do better than Fawad outside Asia..his technique will make him vulnerable in swing n seam friendly conditions and I don't see him doing much on bouncy tracks either. Not like I think Asad and Azhar are going to be brilliant outside Asia they will be average/ok.

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He is still a better option than Asad or Azhar in Tests.

No he isn't.

There's a reason this guy wasn't persisted with yet Asad and Azhar have maintained their test positions. Maybe he is better than Azhar in tests, remains to be seen, but not Asad who is already one of the best at #6 in tests for us.
 
I still vouch for the guy only because he hasn't really been given a long enough chance in any sort of format. His forte isn't ODIs but he can effectively rotate the strike as was seen in 2014 Asia Cup. I understand why people wouldn't want him in the squad, but every Pakistani is inconsistent and the only way to know what ones are worth keeping is by giving them a chance to prove their worth. It's true he didn't do much after that vs SL and Aus but his batting order wasn't established and he should never come in a 6 - too low/requires more of a muscly hitter. I mean I'd be more heart-warming of wanting his appearance in ODIs but ever since the emergence of Babar at #3 or #4 and maybe Haris coming back too, the need for him is less likely. Would prefer to see a batsman who is more suited to ODIs like Umar Siddique with Haris and Babar in the middle order.

Anyway, he must be in Tests. That's his strength, and yeah he may have an unorthodox stance but didn't a certain Chanderpaul? It doesn't really matter about how he looks, it matters and the runs he can churn and from some of his ODI performances he looks like the type of person that once he's settled in, it'll take a lot to get his wicket. I would like his inclusion in the Test match team after YK and Misbah retire (also an added bonus of a left hand batsman) with Babar taking the other position. I mean, he has a FC average of 59 or something for a reason (well, over 50 anyway).
 
No he isn't.

There's a reason this guy wasn't persisted with yet Asad and Azhar have maintained their test positions. Maybe he is better than Azhar in tests, remains to be seen, but not Asad who is already one of the best at #6 in tests for us.

I'd go as far and say the best #6 in the world. But it just goes to show what happens when you give a player some time in a position they're comfortable with/a position they are constantly coming out at.

Side note regarding your signature: must be a pretty short story when Pakistan bats, more like a haiku if anything :afridi
 
Didn't he play a solid ODI knock getting a 100 at 85+ s/r in the asia cup final. Then he got dropped a short while after. I remember him and Akmal building a brillaint partnership. Some of the best running between the wickts i have seen from a pakistan team in quite a long time.
 
If only, PCB had invested in Fawad instead of Asad or Azhar, in Tests.

Lol this is a fairy stupid post

Asad and Azhar have done brilliantly on Tests and that is evident in the numbers.

The only claim could be that they should do better outside Asia (Asad has been ok but Azhar disappointing.) however the reality is that Fawad is almost certain to fail outside Asia so even in that respect They are better choice

You are talking as if Azhar and Asad failed in Tests. One is statistically one of the greatest ever in his position and the other is one of Pakistan's most consistent in the last 4 years
 
It's a myth he could rotate the strike well. He gets bogged down too. Since he has mostly batted in lower middle order it's easier for batsmen to rotate the strike there but whenever he has come earlier due to fall of wickets he had struggled to rotate the strike.

He is not an ODI bat but could have become a top quality test bat. I think he should be used as Misbah's replacement. He would do well at number 5.
 
It's a myth he could rotate the strike well. He gets bogged down too. Since he has mostly batted in lower middle order it's easier for batsmen to rotate the strike there but whenever he has come earlier due to fall of wickets he had struggled to rotate the strike.

He is not an ODI bat but could have become a top quality test bat. I think he should be used as Misbah's replacement. He would do well at number 5.

Check my earlier post from November 2015. According to that, Fawad is only second to Sarfraz in the Pakistani team as far as strike rotation is concerned, followed by Haris. The guy can't hit boundaries, that is the main problem, but still is decent enough for ODIs if Haris remains injured.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ay-to-analyze-consistency-and-strike-rotation
 
Check my earlier post from November 2015. According to that, Fawad is only second to Sarfraz in the Pakistani team as far as strike rotation is concerned, followed by Haris. The guy can't hit boundaries, that is the main problem, but still is decent enough for ODIs if Haris remains injured.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ay-to-analyze-consistency-and-strike-rotation

you have done well in that thread and I don't want to discount your work but there are two important points which I have mind.
1)how well did he rotate the strike when he batted up the order.
2)What was his approach when he had to come in due to fall of early wickets.

If he rotated the strike well in both of those instances I would agree he did well but if he struggled like every other batsman than he is no better.

And in any case ODI cricket has changed so much that we need a batsman who could hit boundaries when set in and sorry but Fawad doesn't fit the bill.
 
He is the ugly duckling of Pakistan cricket. Looks ugly whenever he comes to bat, but has turned into a swan whenever given the opportunity. If players like him are dropped for picturesque players like Umar Amin and Asad Shafiq, then Pakistan deserves to occupy the beautiful number 9 spot.

He might be Captain of Pakistan A team for the tour of England if Umar Amin, Sohaib Maqsood or Shan Masood aren't made the Captain.

If he top scores for Pakistan in English conditions than he will retain his Test Spot whereas if Usman, Umar or Amin outscore him than they can become part of Pakistan Test squad.


So the oppurtunity awaits him.


For me he is the most suited player for Test Matches in Pakistan (future), India, Srilanka, Bangladesh, West Indies & UAE after Younis & Misbah retire.
 
Lol this is a fairy stupid post

Asad and Azhar have done brilliantly on Tests and that is evident in the numbers.

The only claim could be that they should do better outside Asia (Asad has been ok but Azhar disappointing.) however the reality is that Fawad is almost certain to fail outside Asia so even in that respect They are better choice

You are talking as if Azhar and Asad failed in Tests. One is statistically one of the greatest ever in his position and the other is one of Pakistan's most consistent in the last 4 years

Fawad will do better than them outside Asia, it's not just about technique, it's about being stubborn and mentally tough as well, that's why he will fare well than Asad or Azhar in Tests.

Their averages are inflated.
 
No he isn't.

There's a reason this guy wasn't persisted with yet Asad and Azhar have maintained their test positions. Maybe he is better than Azhar in tests, remains to be seen, but not Asad who is already one of the best at #6 in tests for us.

I don't think the reason will be convincing. He is potentially way better than both in Tests, an almost wasted talent.
 
I think Azhar and Asad will do better than Fawad outside Asia..his technique will make him vulnerable in swing n seam friendly conditions and I don't see him doing much on bouncy tracks either. Not like I think Asad and Azhar are going to be brilliant outside Asia they will be average/ok.

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I think Fawad will fare better. It's not just about technique, it's also about being stubborn and mentally tough.
 
How can you all forget his fabulous knock on a seaming track against Sri Lanka on his debut? :eek:

He had handled the seaming track, he can handle the bouncy tracks as well.
 
He should have been a regular between 2010-2015. Think his time is over now.
 
No he isn't.

There's a reason this guy wasn't persisted with yet Asad and Azhar have maintained their test positions. Maybe he is better than Azhar in tests, remains to be seen, but not Asad who is already one of the best at #6 in tests for us.

Azhar is better than Asad in tests and I like Asad
 
Yes, only in Asia, will fail outside Asia. Their career averages are inflated, will drop down to 40 or under, soon.

Shafiq has a test 100 in South Africa, so that's just assumptions from you.

Azhar does come as a bit of a FTB, but he still has to be given credit for doing well in these conditions
 
Think Alam was definitely mistreated and should have been a regular in the Test & ODI sides between 2010-2015. His time is probably up by now.
 
Shafiq has a test 100 in South Africa, so that's just assumptions from you.

Azhar does come as a bit of a FTB, but he still has to be given credit for doing well in these conditions

So what if he has a hundred? Ideally, one of them should have averaged 50 by now, so that after Younus Khan's retirement (probably this year), one of them should have filled his boots, but that's not the case, both of them average under 45, and Younus Khan's void may be there for some years to come, so overall they haven't turned out to be good investments.
 
Fawad might have scored truckload of runs in domestic cricket and also done well at the international level, but most often it is not how many you score but rather, 'when' you score.

There are good times to score and then there are not-so-good times to score.

Right before the 2011 World Cup, he cost Pakistan two matches with his poor striking ability in the ODI series vs SA in UAE, which cost him a place in the World Cup squad.

Fastforward 4 years, and he failed miserably vs Australia in the ODI series in the UAE, which again, cost him a place in the World Cup squad.

After the World Cup, with Misbah and Younis out of the way and Umar dropped, he got another opportunity to cement himself in the team in the new-look Pakistan squad with a new captain at the helm, but once again, he failed miserably which paved way for Malik to return who grabbed the opportunity with both hands and hasn't looked back since.

The only time you can say that Fawad timed his run scoring well was in the 2014 Asia Cup, where he got an opportunity after 3 years and took it in some fashion. However, of course, all of that was undone by his performance vs Australia just before the World Cup.
 
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