Fawad Alam vs Umar Amin for Test spot

[ExpressPacer]

With Misbah and Younis retiring, Sami Aslam dropped and Sharjeel Khan gone, it is no big news that there's a lot of spots in the team, especially the batting order that are up for grabs. However, as we've seen in this on-going WI Test also, the main problem that Pakistan is suffering with as of now is that of an all rounder and owing to that issue, even the likes of Hafeez have been requested reportedly. But, as we all know, Hafeez is too old and too bad to be in the team. He is officially 36 and apart from that, he doesn't have it in him to bat or bowl well vs top class sides in unfavorable conditions. Selecting him would be 10 steps backwards.

Then we've tried our hand at Nawaz but he clearly doesn't have the batting talent to play as an all rounder. So now this leaves us with Shadab Khan in the squad. The 18 year old gem who already has the weight of all the expectations of the millions of Pakistanis on his shoulders. Lets not ruin another talent like we've done so before. Also, I'm not sure if he's even cut out for the role yet.

So that leaves with Umar Amin and Fawad Alam. Both of them are good batsmen and can genuinely bowl. Not like your Younis Khan's and Shafiq's who can throw part time dibbly dobblies but these guys are genuine batting all rounders - something the team lacks.

I would suggest we pick both. Fawad Alam has merited a spot in the side for about a decade now and Umar Amin looks like a solid investment for the future. But, if we are to choose, would you have both or just one, and if so, who?

 

[shah_1]

Harris Sohail and Usman Salahuddin are ahead of these two in term of talent.

Umar Amin should play in ODI as opener because of lack of options.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Haris Sohail

 

[ExpressPacer]

Harris Sohail and Usman Salahuddin are ahead of these two in term of talent.

Umar Amin should play in ODI as opener because of lack of options.

I think its a competition between all of these guys. Lets see how good Usman really is. Hopefully he gets selected in one of the Tests.

 

[Pete Rose]

neither. not that I am a fan of fawad, but alteast dont insult the guy: amin barely averages 40 in first class, while fawad is out there playing hockey for an average of 50.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Haris Sohail

Yep. Harry's a must. Hopefully we can get rid of the non performing Shafiq and replace him with one of these guys.

 

[ExpressPacer]

neither

And persist with Hafeez as the all rounder? Lets make one thing clear, PCB is going to look for an all rounder and the best way to drive Hafeez out of the equation is by selecting one of these two. Both can bowl well.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Haris Sohail is the best.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Umar Amin in ODIs and Fawad Alam in Tests.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Harris and salahuddin will replace misbah and younis.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Haris Sohail is the best.

I agree. But its not like we have just one vacant spot. Harris should be there. But, we need one of these guys to fill the all rounder spot. Otherwise it'll go to Hafeez and we'll be doomed.

And please don't suggest Harris as the all rounder. We all know how that turned out last time.

 

[Pete Rose]

And persist with Hafeez as the all rounder? Lets make one thing clear, PCB is going to look for an all rounder and the best way to drive Hafeez out of the equation is by selecting one of these two. Both can bowl well.

amin is a softy...like hafeez and most folks will figure that out in a year from now.
hafeez might stage a come back and I dont like that, but his career will end once we tour south africa next year.
as for fawad - what can I say, he needs to take up batting if he wants a place in the team.

 

[the Great Khan]

Fawad by a country mile..168 in a test match is no joke..

also why infect this thread with Haris talk?? Fawad is a better player than him..

 

[BA56]

I wonder what domestic stats over that last three years look like.

 

[moghul]

Amin and Harris in the team and Salahuddin as standby.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Fawad by a country mile..168 in a test match is no joke..

also why infect this thread with Haris talk?? Fawad is a better player than him..

Exactly. I like Haris and he should be there but Fawad merits a spot before him.

 

[arehaan]

If only Fawad had been given half the chances given to Asad S at 6 we would have had a gem but unfortunately our system never gave him that chance.

 

[Syed1]

Salahuddin deserves it before both of them.

 

[Rayyman]

Neither. Hafeez and Salahuddin.

 

[the Great Khan]

Exactly. I like Haris and he should be there but Fawad merits a spot before him.

Fawad is the one player who should have been taking voer from either misbah or younis by now..he should have been a mainstay in our test side..but alas..

As for Amin, bara ho kay batsman bunay gaa..lol
Haris just isnt good enough for test cricket. Wont last beyond a session.

 

[Citizen4]

Fawad Alam for sure, Umar Amin is simply just a left-handed Shafiq, looks stylish but mentally weak

 

[Big Mac]

If only Fawad had been given half the chances given to Asad S at 6 we would have had a gem but unfortunately our system never gave him that chance.

Fawad is the one player who should have been taking voer from either misbah or younis by now..he should have been a mainstay in our test side..but alas..

As for Amin, bara ho kay batsman bunay gaa..lol
Haris just isnt good enough for test cricket. Wont last beyond a session.

The problem with Pakistan is that the fans/media, and therefore the selectors, struggle to differentiate between ODI and Test cricket. Fawad didn't smash sixes for fun in one day games so he was labelled as untalented (because in Pakistan, sixes = talent) and that was used an excuse to keep him out of tests.

For players like him, you have to pray due every day that you don't get capped in 50 over games because that will ruin your test chances.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Fawad , Haris and Usman should be in contention.
Personally i will pick Haris and Usman.
Amin's name shouldn't be written in the same sentence.

 

[Hamza_]

Umar Amin should open in ODIs.

Usman and Haris Sohail in for YK and Misbah.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Umar Amin should open in ODIs.

Usman and Haris Sohail in for YK and Misbah.

Yep Umar Amin can be in contention for odis but test recall is far away i think because of his weak defense which he hasn't worked on sadly. Its sometimes frustrating to see someone having all the shots but not working on his weakness

 

[the Great Khan]

Yep Umar Amin can be in contention for odis but test recall is far away i think because of his weak defense which he hasn't worked on sadly. Its sometimes frustrating to see someone having all the shots but not working on his weakness

why should he be in contention for anything? what has he done that he deserves this? he's a nobody thats overhyped by some teenagers on this forum..

thee is only one player who truly deserves a shot in test matches and thats Fawad alam.everyone else who is in contention is either a ********, a long shot or a youngster.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

For me Haris gets one spot, thats a no brainer


after that it gets more tricky, we have three options imo

1. Pick an extra batsmen
2. Pick a keeper, let Sarfraz just bat ( dont think sarfraz is keen on this(
3. Find an allrounder, Yamin does have a double ton in first class

 

[the Great Khan]

For me Haris gets one spot, thats a no brainer


after that it gets more tricky, we have three options imo

1. Pick an extra batsmen
2. Pick a keeper, let Sarfraz just bat ( dont think sarfraz is keen on this(
3. Find an allrounder, Yamin does have a double ton in first class

Sorry but Haris isnt good enough so its a no brainer for the brainless..Amin is one fo teh most useless players I have ever seen. We should be looking at inamul haq, Sami talat and Fawad...not these other wasters that the teeny bopper brigade like..Even usman salhuddin..but no Haris or amin..even malik is better than them..

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Sorry but Haris isnt good enough so its a no brainer for the brainless..Amin is one fo teh most useless players I have ever seen. We should be looking at inamul haq, Sami talat and Fawad...not these other wasters that the teeny bopper brigade like..Even usman salhuddin..but no Haris or amin..even malik is better than them..

If haris is so bad like you say why does he have the 2nd best first class average currently in Pakistan ?

His biggest issue is fitness

 

[fazleefridi]

I am afraid, neither is any where near a call up.

Basically the squad would be this(realistically)

Shehzad
Azhar
Babar
Salahuddin
Asad
Sarfraz
Tallat(5th bowler, 3rd seamer. Test side is run by Misbah, so will be even after his retirement. He rates Tallat.)
Shadab
Yasir
Amir
Abbas

Shan
Hafeez
Asghar
Wahab
Hassan

You won't see any massive changes in the squad.

Misbah and Younis will be replaced by Hafeez and Tallat, that is all.

If you ask me, then this should be the squad

Sami
Azhar
Babar
Haris
Salahuddin
Sarfraz
Tallat/Agha Salman(depending on the pitch)
Shadab
Yasir
Amir
Abbas(Can be given 2 more series)

Shehzad
Rizwan(back up keeper)
Asad
Asghar
Junaid
Hassan

 

[Sports_Psychologist]

All this hype but we are going to see the following line up..

01 Azhar Ali
02 Ahmed Shehzad
03 Babar Azam
04 Asad Shafiq
05 Haris Sohail
06 Sarfaraz Ahmed
07 Hussain Talat
08 Yasir Shah
09 M.Amir
10 Hasan Ali
11 M.Asghar

12 M.Hafeez
13 Shadab Khan
14 Wahab Riaz/ Rahat Ali / Imran Khan
15 Iftikhar chacha Ahmed

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

All this hype but we are going to see the following line up..
15 Iftikhar chacha Ahmed

Just looking purely at this tournament, i woulndt mind Chacha Ifti if he opens. Id rather anyone other than Shezhad and Azhar, at the same time I am mindful that this isnt the best place to try a new young opener. So rather give a go to chacha

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Haris Sohail is a no brainer.

The only player who has the best record batting at 4 or 5 in most seam swing friendly FC conditions. Out numbered Fawad aswell who mostly batted at 6.

Only thing against him is his fitness. He is generally unfit Sportsman who has failed most of the fitness tests he has given in life

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Pakistan Test Lineup after Younis & Misbah:

Ahmed Shehzad
Azhar Ali
Babar Azam
Haris Sohail
Fawad Alam
Asad Shafiq
Sarfraz Ahmed(C)(WK)
Mohammed Amir
Wahab Riaz
Yasir Shah
Hasan Ali

 

[the Great Khan]

If haris is so bad like you say why does he have the 2nd best first class average currently in Pakistan ?

His biggest issue is fitness

Just because he has a great first class average doesnt mean he can cut it in international cricket. Ive seen him play like everyone else and he just doesnt have the temprament , at this time, to play international Test cricket. He is very lose on his off side and a bit of pace and bounce seems to cause him problems..The way Dhoni toyed with him in the world cup was damning. Sorry but needs to work harder and get fitter..

I could be wrong and he could turn out to be the best thing since aloo parathay but at this moment in time, the way some PPers are going on about him as if he's some super batsman is just plain ridiculous.

 

[fazleefridi]

Pakistan Test Lineup after Younis & Misbah:

Ahmed Shehzad
Azhar Ali
Babar Azam
Haris Sohail
Fawad Alam
Asad Shafiq
Sarfraz Ahmed(C)(WK)
Mohammed Amir
Wahab Riaz
Yasir Shah
Hasan Ali

Captain will never bat at 7.

He will move to 6, with AR at 7

 

[the Great Khan]

Haris Sohail is a no brainer.

The only player who has the best record batting at 4 or 5 in most seam swing friendly FC conditions. Out numbered Fawad aswell who mostly batted at 6.

Only thing against him is his fitness. He is generally unfit Sportsman who has failed most of the fitness tests he has given in life

oh bhai meray how is he a no brainer if he cant even keep fit for a ODI match? Test cricket isnt guddi gudday ka khel. He can have all the averages in FC he wants but he isnt a test match player.

 

[Sports_Psychologist]

Just looking purely at this tournament, i woulndt mind Chacha Ifti if he opens. Id rather anyone other than Shezhad and Azhar, at the same time I am mindful that this isnt the best place to try a new young opener. So rather give a go to chacha

we were talking about about TESTS,,, and Azhar is the best test opener we got..

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

oh bhai meray how is he a no brainer if he cant even keep fit for a ODI match? Test cricket isnt guddi gudday ka khel. He can have all the averages in FC he wants but he isnt a test match player.

Simple. If he passes the fitness Test he should be picked. Post knee surgery He hasn't been part of any camp. If he passes the test than he should be preferred over all other names.

 

[New Yorker]

With Misbah and Younis retiring, Sami Aslam dropped and Sharjeel Khan gone, it is no big news that there's a lot of spots in the team, especially the batting order that are up for grabs. However, as we've seen in this on-going WI Test also, the main problem that Pakistan is suffering with as of now is that of an all rounder and owing to that issue, even the likes of Hafeez have been requested reportedly. But, as we all know, Hafeez is too old and too bad to be in the team. He is officially 36 and apart from that, he doesn't have it in him to bat or bowl well vs top class sides in unfavorable conditions. Selecting him would be 10 steps backwards.

Then we've tried our hand at Nawaz but he clearly doesn't have the batting talent to play as an all rounder. So now this leaves us with Shadab Khan in the squad. The 18 year old gem who already has the weight of all the expectations of the millions of Pakistanis on his shoulders. Lets not ruin another talent like we've done so before. Also, I'm not sure if he's even cut out for the role yet.

So that leaves with Umar Amin and Fawad Alam. Both of them are good batsmen and can genuinely bowl. Not like your Younis Khan's and Shafiq's who can throw part time dibbly dobblies but these guys are genuine batting all rounders - something the team lacks.

I would suggest we pick both. Fawad Alam has merited a spot in the side for about a decade now and Umar Amin looks like a solid investment for the future. But, if we are to choose, would you have both or just one, and if so, who?

not in the same league. amin has never shown enough consistency and grit.

 

[ads101]

Fawad over Amin.

Think our test batting line up should be:

1. Shehzad
2. Azhar
3. Babar Azam
4. Asad Shafiq
5. Fawad Alam
6. Haris Sohail
7. Sarfraz

Sami shouldn't have been dropped, but now Shehzad probably deserves his chance, and Sami's domestic performances aren't up to scratch atm.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Fawad over Amin.

Think our test batting line up should be:

1. Shehzad
2. Azhar
3. Babar Azam
4. Asad Shafiq
5. Fawad Alam
6. Haris Sohail
7. Sarfraz

Sami shouldn't have been dropped, but now Shehzad probably deserves his chance, and Sami's domestic performances aren't up to scratch atm.

if Sharjeel is exonerated/slapped on the wrists, would you have him back in tests as well ?

 

[khurram39]

Fawad Alam scoring lots of runs would be given a chance. Once we heard about umar amin he is our future captain.

 

[ads101]

if Sharjeel is exonerated/slapped on the wrists, would you have him back in tests as well ?

Probably not no. I'd have him focus on LOIs. Think too many cricketers have been ruined when they try and adapt their game to all three formats. There are some cricketers who will succeed in any format e.g. Babar as they're technically sound and very balanced. We don't even have a single good ODI opener atm, so I'd settle for Sharjeel coming back and focusing on that. Sami and Jamshed are just examples who I think struggled to adapt to both tests and LOI.


Shehzad think could turn into a decent test batsman.

 

[the Great Khan]

Simple. If he passes the fitness Test he should be picked. Post knee surgery He hasn't been part of any camp. If he passes the test than he should be preferred over all other names.

say what you want, from what I have seen of him, well I'm not impressed at all..and he definatley doesnt warrant the undue adulation given to him by pper's..

 

[Ummii]

Alam for sure as i think Amin isn't International material

 

[Abdullah719]

Just because he has a great first class average doesnt mean he can cut it in international cricket. Ive seen him play like everyone else and he just doesnt have the temprament , at this time, to play international Test cricket. He is very lose on his off side and a bit of pace and bounce seems to cause him problems..The way Dhoni toyed with him in the world cup was damning. Sorry but needs to work harder and get fitter..

I could be wrong and he could turn out to be the best thing since aloo parathay but at this moment in time, the way some PPers are going on about him as if he's some super batsman is just plain ridiculous.

Rarely saw him struggle against pace.

Why are you using an example of where Dhoni choked him with a tight off-side field in a thread that's discussing selection for Test matches?

The main things that go against Haris are match practice and fitness, both of which are related and can be resolved if he has the will.

 

[sshakir411]

Just because he has a great first class average doesnt mean he can cut it in international cricket. Ive seen him play like everyone else and he just doesnt have the temprament , at this time, to play international Test cricket. He is very lose on his off side and a bit of pace and bounce seems to cause him problems..The way Dhoni toyed with him in the world cup was damning. Sorry but needs to work harder and get fitter..

I could be wrong and he could turn out to be the best thing since aloo parathay but at this moment in time, the way some PPers are going on about him as if he's some super batsman is just plain ridiculous.

I'll second this. This is the player that struggled to hit out against UAE and couldn't score a ton..after having it set up on a plate for him. He might be good but he's grossly overrated on PP.

 

[Abdullah719]

I'll second this. This is the player that struggled to hit out against UAE and couldn't score a ton..after having it set up on a plate for him. He might be good but he's grossly overrated on PP.

Again, this thread is about Test matches?

 

[SaadAliG]

Fawad Alam should be the first name on the test now for the past 4 years. He's as good as Younis and Misbah in tests. People saying haris are either biased or have an agenda against Fawad, you know why.
A guy who's scored 3800 runs at an avg of 52 against a guy who's scored 10,000+ at 57 avg. One is 28 one is 31 so not much in terms of age but Fawad is 10x fitter than Haris.
Fawad every time. His non selection is the biggest tragedy in Pakistan cricket history.

 

[Stallion__]

Fawad is way better. CLH would be a left handed version of Shahzad (minus his attitude).

 

[yasir]

Neither, play Harris Sohail in place of YK, bring down Asad Shafiq to #5. This is the time to play Shadab as allrounder, he can be much better investment in test than these players. Your team can be very strong with fifth bowler who is wicket taking. He can easily be 35/40(if not more) average guy. It can change the dynamics of the team...

BTW: We have to bring Sami back as opener, until and if Sharjeel ever comes back...Sami is way better than Shezad/Hafeez/Shaun, these guys are not opener

You make those three changes, give them 2/3 series, Pakistan will be heading only in one direction!!

 

[the Great Khan]

Fawad Alam should be the first name on the test now for the past 4 years. He's as good as Younis and Misbah in tests. People saying haris are either biased or have an agenda against Fawad, you know why.
A guy who's scored 3800 runs at an avg of 52 against a guy who's scored 10,000+ at 57 avg. One is 28 one is 31 so not much in terms of age but Fawad is 10x fitter than Haris.
Fawad every time. His non selection is the biggest tragedy in Pakistan cricket history.

This. Its inexplicable. He knows his game, yes he looks awkward but he can make runs in test cricket.

 

[mhraja]

Not sure about Tests but Umar Amin deserves a look in ODIs.

And this time we should try him at top of the order, not at No. 6 the last time he played against Aussies in UAE.

 

[Dubawi]

Amin should now be selected after this tournament. He is among the highest run getter after playing an innings less than others. He should open for Pak and should be given a decent run.

 

[Bilal7]

Squad after the West Indies series:

1) Azhar Ali
2) Sami Aslam
3) Babar Azam
4) Haris Sohail
5) Asad Shafiq
6) Usman Salahuddin
7) Sarfaraz Ahmed (c) (wk)
8) Yasir Shah
9) Mohammad Amir
10) Wahab Riaz
11) Junaid Khan

12) Ahmed Shehzad
13) Fawad Alam
14) Mohammad Rizwan
15) Hassan Ali
16) Mohammad Asghar/Shadab Khan

 

[Bilal7]

Umar Amin is all style and zero substance. Guy is a poor man's Ian Bell and doesn't have the heart for performing on the big stage. There are several better batsmen than him in Pakistan.

 

[Hasan123]

Out of the 2 I'll go with Amin.

I think Amin has a better shot range , can his both sides of the wicket. Also I think he has the technique so survive outside of his comfort zone. He hasn't been given a consist run in international cricket to prove this. He also offers a seam bowling option.

I'll take Harris over both though.

 

[Barragan]

Fawad Alam.

Easily the best FC batsman in Pak and deserved to be in the Test team eons ago.

 

[hailian]

Fawad, Haris and Sami should come back to test squad.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Squad after the West Indies series:

1) Azhar Ali
2) Sami Aslam
3) Babar Azam
4) Haris Sohail
5) Asad Shafiq
6) Usman Salahuddin
7) Sarfaraz Ahmed (c) (wk)
8) Yasir Shah
9) Mohammad Amir
10) Wahab Riaz
11) Junaid Khan

12) Ahmed Shehzad
13) Fawad Alam
14) Mohammad Rizwan
15) Hassan Ali
16) Mohammad Asghar/Shadab Khan

On basis of what Junaid Khan should be in Pakistan Test Team or in any team ?



Since 1st January 2014 ie since last 36 months Junaid Khan has played 16 Odi's for Pakistan where he took 12 wickets at an Average of 60. Is he even worthy of getting picked for Pakistan Odi team ? In these 3 and a half years He has played in 4-5 domestic Odi tournaments. In none of them he was amongst 5 top wicket takers. In tournaments where he played all the matches for his team He wasn't even in the top 10 wicket takers.



In last 3 years of FC Cricket Junaid Khan has averaged 55 with the Ball in First Class Cricket. Around 25 Pacers of FC have outperformed him in these 3 years. On what basis you are giving him a place in TEST eleven ?


Can't you see his performances Post Knee injury ? Have you turned blind (God forbid) ? You can only see what he did before 2013-2014 ? You can't see what has happened post 2013-2014 ?



Pakistani fans are the most thick skinned fans ever. Most biased. Some wish and pray that Pakistan to loses the match because player X is playing, than there are others who don't watch Odi & T20 Cricket only because player X is not playing and and than there are people like you who were arguing for almost an year than Saeed Ajmal with reformed action should make Pakistan Test & Odi team despite him having below average FC and List A numbers post action remodeling and now you are campaigning for Junaid Khan Test recall when He has been absolutely horrible in FC Cricket in last 3 years.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

On basis of what Junaid Khan should be in Pakistan Test Team or in any team ?



Since 1st January 2014 ie since last 36 months Junaid Khan has played 16 Odi's for Pakistan where he took 12 wickets at an Average of 60. Is he even worthy of getting picked for Pakistan Odi team ? In these 3 and a half years He has played in 4-5 domestic Odi tournaments. In none of them he was amongst 5 top wicket takers. In tournaments where he played all the matches for his team He wasn't even in the top 10 wicket takers.



In last 3 years of FC Cricket Junaid Khan has averaged 55 with the Ball in First Class Cricket. Around 25 Pacers of FC have outperformed him in these 3 years. On what basis you are giving him a place in TEST eleven ?


Can't you see his performances Post Knee injury ? Have you turned blind (God forbid) ? You can only see what he did before 2013-2014 ? You can't see what has happened post 2013-2014 ?



Pakistani fans are the most thick skinned fans ever. Most biased. Some wish and pray that Pakistan to loses the match because player X is playing, than there are others who don't watch Odi & T20 Cricket only because player X is not playing and and than there are people like you who were arguing for almost an year than Saeed Ajmal with reformed action should make Pakistan Test & Odi team despite him having below average FC and List A numbers post action remodeling and now you are campaigning for Junaid Khan Test recall when He has been absolutely horrible in FC Cricket in last 3 years.

I have always said that our fans are just like the people in the PCB especially the selectors. No wonder we are in such a mess.

Because of favoritism and this risk averse attitude we will never be able to play our best eleven on the field.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

I have always said that our fans are just like the people in the PCB especially the selectors. No wonder we are in such a mess.

Because of favoritism and this risk averse attitude we will never be able to play our best eleven on the field.

See everyone likes or loves some players for many reasons. It can be personality, attitude, cricketing skills or memorable performances but how can you say that a player X should play a Test match when in last 3-4 years including he has averaged 55 with the ball in FC Cricket ? 3-4 years is not a small sample size by any mean. In Last 2 years almost 4 Wapda bowlers have out performed him.


Give me 2011 Umar Gul and I ll take him with both hands in our Odi & T20 team without even a doubt but post knee injury UG lost 10-15 kph pace and because his knees are gone 85 % of times when he tries to bowl yorker he ends up bowling full tosses and every over he bowls two three lose balls which are hit me deliveries. Why ? Because during his delivery stride one of his knee is so weak that almost 70 % of weight is on the other leg hence his mechanics are gone, accuracy is gone, follow throw, pace all are gone.


Now you can't say that look He is only 33 and Anderson is playing at 36, Steyn when fit is playing, Haris played until 36, Wasim, Shoaib played until 36-37 because you have to see the case in hand. You just can't live in the past.


This is from last year fitness camp in Abbotabad. Were his calves, knees, thighs like this pre knee injury ? When he was our besr Test bowler ? When he was bowling 138 to 147 kph accurate wicket taking deliveries vs India in India ?



Let's live in present

 

[Alamgeer]

PP's darling Fawad Alam has made comback to odi,t20 and test team,has been picked as opener,has been appointed skipper in all three formats, has broken all batting records but only on PP. He is not gonna make a single of all these things. Lagy rahoo.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

See everyone likes or loves some players for many reasons. It can be personality, attitude, cricketing skills or memorable performances but how can you say that a player X should play a Test match when in last 3-4 years including he has averaged 55 with the ball in FC Cricket ? 3-4 years is not a small sample size by any mean. In Last 2 years almost 4 Wapda bowlers have out performed him.


Give me 2011 Umar Gul and I ll take him with both hands in our Odi & T20 team without even a doubt but post knee injury UG lost 10-15 kph pace and because his knees are gone 85 % of times when he tries to bowl yorker he ends up bowling full tosses and every over he bowls two three lose balls which are hit me deliveries. Why ? Because during his delivery stride one of his knee is so weak that almost 70 % of weight is on the other leg hence his mechanics are gone, accuracy is gone, follow throw, pace all are gone.


Now you can't say that look He is only 33 and Anderson is playing at 36, Steyn when fit is playing, Haris played until 36, Wasim, Shoaib played until 36-37 because you have to see the case in hand. You just can't live in the past.


This is from last year fitness camp in Abbotabad. Were his calves, knees, thighs like this pre knee injury ? When he was our besr Test bowler ? When he was bowling 138 to 147 kph accurate wicket taking deliveries vs India in India ?

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Let's live in present

I think Junaid has some personal issues going these days. He hasn't been into cricket the last 1-2 years. And the pic you showed is evidence of that. Yet people keep asking for him.

Someone like Rumman Raees would do a lot better in ODI in the last 10-15 overs compared to Junaid.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

I think Junaid has some personal issues going these days. He hasn't been into cricket the last 1-2 years. And the pic you showed is evidence of that. Yet people keep asking for him.

Someone like Rumman Raees would do a lot better in ODI in the last 10-15 overs compared to Junaid.

I agree.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

I agree.

His variations are amazing and seems mentally tough loves a battle.

I really feel we havent been fielding our best team in the last few series which is a pity as we have unearthed some good players since last year.

 

[srh]

With Misbah and Younis retiring, Sami Aslam dropped and Sharjeel Khan gone, it is no big news that there's a lot of spots in the team, especially the batting order that are up for grabs. However, as we've seen in this on-going WI Test also, the main problem that Pakistan is suffering with as of now is that of an all rounder and owing to that issue, even the likes of Hafeez have been requested reportedly. But, as we all know, Hafeez is too old and too bad to be in the team. He is officially 36 and apart from that, he doesn't have it in him to bat or bowl well vs top class sides in unfavorable conditions. Selecting him would be 10 steps backwards.

Then we've tried our hand at Nawaz but he clearly doesn't have the batting talent to play as an all rounder. So now this leaves us with Shadab Khan in the squad. The 18 year old gem who already has the weight of all the expectations of the millions of Pakistanis on his shoulders. Lets not ruin another talent like we've done so before. Also, I'm not sure if he's even cut out for the role yet.

So that leaves with Umar Amin and Fawad Alam. Both of them are good batsmen and can genuinely bowl. Not like your Younis Khan's and Shafiq's who can throw part time dibbly dobblies but these guys are genuine batting all rounders - something the team lacks.

I would suggest we pick both. Fawad Alam has merited a spot in the side for about a decade now and Umar Amin looks like a solid investment for the future. But, if we are to choose, would you have both or just one, and if so, who?

I would ideally have both Fawad Alam and Umar Amin in test team.

 

[ExpressPacer]

I would ideally have both Fawad Alam and Umar Amin in test team.

I agree. The top 6 in my opinion should be:

Sami Aslam
Azhar Ali
Babar Azam
Harris Sohail
Fawad Alam
Umar Amin/Usman Salahuddin

Asad Shafiq is a non performing liability. Should be in the 15 man squad tho.

 

[srh]

I agree. The top 6 in my opinion should be:

Sami Aslam
Azhar Ali
Babar Azam
Harris Sohail
Fawad Alam
Umar Amin/Usman Salahuddin

Asad Shafiq is a non performing liability. Should be in the 15 man squad tho.

Agree with kicking out Asad Shafiq as he is taking his place for granted and only performed once per series

I would drop Sami Aslam for Sharjeel Khan from your team. Also not sure about Haris Sohail in your team.

1. Sharjeel
2. Azhar
3. Babar
4. Umar Amin
5. Fawad Alam
6. Sarfraz
7. someone who is all rounder and right-hand

 

[Bilal7]

On basis of what Junaid Khan should be in Pakistan Test Team or in any team ?



Since 1st January 2014 ie since last 36 months Junaid Khan has played 16 Odi's for Pakistan where he took 12 wickets at an Average of 60. Is he even worthy of getting picked for Pakistan Odi team ? In these 3 and a half years He has played in 4-5 domestic Odi tournaments. In none of them he was amongst 5 top wicket takers. In tournaments where he played all the matches for his team He wasn't even in the top 10 wicket takers.



In last 3 years of FC Cricket Junaid Khan has averaged 55 with the Ball in First Class Cricket. Around 25 Pacers of FC have outperformed him in these 3 years. On what basis you are giving him a place in TEST eleven ?


Can't you see his performances Post Knee injury ? Have you turned blind (God forbid) ? You can only see what he did before 2013-2014 ? You can't see what has happened post 2013-2014 ?



Pakistani fans are the most thick skinned fans ever. Most biased. Some wish and pray that Pakistan to loses the match because player X is playing, than there are others who don't watch Odi & T20 Cricket only because player X is not playing and and than there are people like you who were arguing for almost an year than Saeed Ajmal with reformed action should make Pakistan Test & Odi team despite him having below average FC and List A numbers post action remodeling and now you are campaigning for Junaid Khan Test recall when He has been absolutely horrible in FC Cricket in last 3 years.

You are missing a crucial point which is that Junaid Khan has been battling injuries over the last three years which have not only hampered his progress but dragged him down into a rut of poor form. At his best, he was an excellent bowler who was taking five-wicket hauls in Sri Lanka and the UAE, winning us ODI series in South Africa and India and was touted by some as better than Amir, who at that time had a reputation of being the next Wasim Akram.

Excuse me for not supporting and drooling over a player one day and then dumping him the next, especially when he hasn't done much wrong and his poor performances are down to factors out of his control. Junaid Khan has high potential and I for one want him and Amir to be our new ball opening pair, in both tests and ODIs, for the foreseeable future.

 

[MenInG]

Problem is we are all looking at Pakistan One Day and making judgement on Fawad Alam etc when really it should not be the case.

 

[sshakir411]

Again, this thread is about Test matches?

That struggle to get going against an associate team tells me a lot about him as a batsman, in general. I'd like him to succeed and wish him all the best but I doubt he will live up to the prophecy being created for him on PP.

 

[choclate]

actually its not the system but there was no spot, afterll we are almost the # 1 Test team officially in the world as of few months back, who would he have replaced Misbah or YK?. He is an excellent player but Test Middle order in Pakistan team was pretty solid for the last few years.

 

[Dubawi]

I think Umar Amin has done enough in this Pakistan Cup and before that in the 'A' series against Zimbabwe now to get a look into ODI team ahead of others.

He is the almost the leading run scorer in this Pakistan Cup while playing an inning less than others. Also if memory serves me right he was the leading run getter for Pakistan A against Zimbabwe A in Zimbabwe. It is baffling that he did not get a look into Quetta side during PSL, I believe had he been given the chance in PSL like Shafiq or Saad Nasim he very well would have been part of the ODI squad in West Indies.

For Fawad Alam it is clear that he should not be part of the ODI setup, too slow in my opinion to play the modern game.

 

[srh]

I think Umar Amin has done enough in this Pakistan Cup and before that in the 'A' series against Zimbabwe now to get a look into ODI team ahead of others.

He is the almost the leading run scorer in this Pakistan Cup while playing an inning less than others. Also if memory serves me right he was the leading run getter for Pakistan A against Zimbabwe A in Zimbabwe. It is baffling that he did not get a look into Quetta side during PSL, I believe had he been given the chance in PSL like Shafiq or Saad Nasim he very well would have been part of the ODI squad in West Indies.

For Fawad Alam it is clear that he should not be part of the ODI setup, too slow in my opinion to play the modern game.

this thread is about tests

 

[Abdullah719]

That struggle to get going against an associate team tells me a lot about him as a batsman, in general. I'd like him to succeed and wish him all the best but I doubt he will live up to the prophecy being created for him on PP.

Fair enough, I just don't see how failing to hit out against UAE relates to his credentials for Test matches.

As far as I'm concerned, the main concern about him in the longer format is fitness and match practice. He certainly isn't lacking in ability.

Umar Amin is probably out of the picture for the longest format at the moment as he didn't fare well in the series vs Zimbabwe A nor did he manage noteworthy performances in QeA though he only played a few games. Sucks for him because he was the second highest scorer the previous season.