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FC stats: Fawad Alam, Haris Sohail, Usman Salahuddin, Saad Ali, Umar Akmal vs Asad Shafiq, Azhar Ali

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[table=class:grid][tr][td]Batsman[/td][td]Mat[/td][td]Inns[/td][td]NO[/td][td]Runs[/td][td]HS[/td][td]Ave[/td][td]BF[/td][td]SR[/td][td]100[/td][td]50[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Fawad Alam[/td][td]152[/td][td]239[/td][td]41[/td][td]11191[/td][td]296*[/td][td]56.52[/td][td]18102[/td][td]61.82[/td][td]29[/td][td]58[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Haris Sohail[/td][td]59[/td][td]89[/td][td]13[/td][td]3988[/td][td]211*[/td][td]52.47[/td][td]7392[/td][td]53.95[/td][td]11[/td][td]25[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Usman Salahuddin[/td][td]107[/td][td]174[/td][td]29[/td][td]6955[/td][td]161*[/td][td]47.97[/td][td]15643[/td][td]44.46[/td][td]22[/td][td]39[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Saad Ali[/td][td]58[/td][td]95[/td][td]10[/td][td]3979[/td][td]232[/td][td]46.81[/td][td]7620[/td][td]52.21[/td][td]11[/td][td]18[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Umar Akmal[/td][td]79[/td][td]135[/td][td]9[/td][td]5713[/td][td]248[/td][td]45.34[/td][td]7564[/td][td]75.53[/td][td]14[/td][td]31[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Asad Shafiq[/td][td]69[/td][td]117[/td][td]13[/td][td]4315[/td][td]223[/td][td]41.49[/td][td]8207[/td][td]52.58[/td][td]10[/td][td]19[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Azhar Ali[/td][td]104[/td][td]171[/td][td]18[/td][td]5513[/td][td]154[/td][td]36.03[/td][td]12538[/td][td]43.97[/td][td]20[/td][td]17[/td][/tr][/table]

These are the stats ONLY for first-class (domestic 3/4/5-day) cricket with Tests taken out of the equation.

Discuss :azhar2 :asad2
 
"Best batsmen are in dressing room" - pakistan should scrap domestic cricket, no need for it as players arent selected on merit.
 
But But But Azhar and Asad are the best technique player available :vk2

Legend's Reponse::inzi2
Fawad?? too old and seen better players than him.
Saad Ali?? Saad who?? seen better players than him.
Usman?? Yes we took him on one tour and he wasn't doing good job as a 12th man so we dropped him.

Inzi the great:salute:salute
 
Ah but Azhar and Shafiq possess one thing the others don't have - seniority.
 
Pakistan in the last two years have the worst conversion percentage out of all Test nations (16%) yet we continue to ignore batsmen who are consistent centurymakers at domestic level.

Then we bemoan the team being unable to score above 300.
 
Fawad's soul is cursing Pakistan team that's why they are losing tests ..left right center
 
I only included the guys averaging 45+ as they stand out - not sure if I missed anyone, please mention if I did...

There's lots of batsmen averaging higher than Azhar/Asad in FC cricket. For example, Mohammad Rizwan...
 
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Rayyman said:
What are Asad's FC stats in last two years?
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I'll leave the warm-up and tour matches etc. out of the equation.

So for QeA Trophy - this season: 4 matches, 377 runs including 221*, avg 126 - last season: 8 matches, 363 runs, avg 30.

His last two seasons prior to that were poor as well:

2012/13 - 7 matches, 266 runs, avg 24
2015/16 - 4 matches, 171 runs, avg 24
 
Azhar and Shafiq are Misbah's investments. No way was any selection committee dropping either once they have invested eight years on them. It's unfortunate, but that's where we are at the moment.

How did Saad Ali perform in the A games recently?
 
Saud shakeel is getting there , averaging 44.

Fine young batsman.

Umar amin too has an FC average of 41.7 , which is better than asads.
 
Usman Salahuddin is 28 and in excellent form. Next series will be the best opportunity to select him in the XI.

Azhar Ali is 33 and is past his best. The SA debacle is the best opportunity to drop him from the squad.

Make it happen Inzi and Mickey.
 
What’s the point of domestic cricket if the players have no chance of playing international? These are just 5 batsmen that u mentioned have a better average than Azhar and Asad but there are many more.

It’s sad, we expect to win series with the best players sat at home.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Azhar and Shafiq are Misbah's investments. No way was any selection committee dropping either once they have invested eight years on them. It's unfortunate, but that's where we are at the moment.

How did Saad Ali perform in the A games recently?
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Misbah being in the PCB Cricket Committee will do his best to lobby for Azhar Ali just like he lobbied hard for him to be appointed ODI captain.
 
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I know strike rate isn’t important in Test cricket, but, Umar Akmal has scored same amount of runs as Azhar Ali but with 5000 balls less, das cray
 
Mickey Arthur needs to retract this statement that the best players in Pakistan are in the dressing room. The domestic setup of Pakistan is far better than the jokes in the national XI selected by corrupt Inzi.
[MENTION=16]Amjid Javed[/MENTION]

You did'nt mention Shan Masood and Babar Azam. Babar Azam first class average is 37.43. Shan Masood is 45.54 and it showed in the series, he outscored all the seniors and played the pull shot better than anyone. I'm sure if Haris played they would've never given chance to Shan in this series. This is a mafia working.

Pakistani players for all their problems and issues are one of the best when it comes to adapting in different conditions. The way this trio [Azhar, Shafiq, Babar] played bounce and feared being hit, Pakistani domestic players are light years ahead even Khurram Manzoor will do better than them. Its the selection politics that has kept away domestic players from the team.
 
If Pakistan Cricket had regular to very little levels of corruption and nepotism then we would just as good as India as a cricketing nation, but alas.

Get used to looking at tables like these.

Even if Fawad looks like an ugly player it only sends a horrible message to every other up coming Pakistani cricketers that no matter what they average, no matter how many runs they get, it's irrelevant if the people at the top dislike you.

Merit needs to be rewarded.
 
Khwaja78 said:
Mickey Arthur needs to retract this statement that the best players in Pakistan are in the dressing room. The domestic setup of Pakistan is far better than the jokes in the national XI selected by corrupt Inzi.
[MENTION=16]Amjid Javed[/MENTION]

You did'nt mention Shan Masood and Babar Azam. Babar Azam first class average is 37.43. Shan Masood is 45.54 and it showed in the series, he outscored all the seniors and played the pull shot better than anyone. I'm sure if Haris played they would've never given chance to Shan in this series. This is a mafia working.

Pakistani players for all their problems and issues are one of the best when it comes to adapting in different conditions. The way this trio [Azhar, Shafiq, Babar] played bounce and feared being hit, Pakistani domestic players are light years ahead even Khurram Manzoor will do better than them. Its the selection politics that has kept away domestic players from the team.
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Shan Masood's first-class average is 35.48 (discounting Test stats). You might be looking at his strike-rate.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Azhar and Shafiq are Misbah's investments. No way was any selection committee dropping either once they have invested eight years on them. It's unfortunate, but that's where we are at the moment.

How did Saad Ali perform in the A games recently?
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Saad Ali failed in the first two A games but hit 144 in the final one against NZ A.
 
Abdullah719 said:
[table=class:grid][tr][td]Batsman[/td][td]Mat[/td][td]Inns[/td][td]NO[/td][td]Runs[/td][td]HS[/td][td]Ave[/td][td]BF[/td][td]SR[/td][td]100[/td][td]50[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Fawad Alam[/td][td]152[/td][td]239[/td][td]41[/td][td]11191[/td][td]296*[/td][td]56.52[/td][td]18102[/td][td]61.82[/td][td]29[/td][td]58[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Haris Sohail[/td][td]59[/td][td]89[/td][td]13[/td][td]3988[/td][td]211*[/td][td]52.47[/td][td]7392[/td][td]53.95[/td][td]11[/td][td]25[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Usman Salahuddin[/td][td]107[/td][td]174[/td][td]29[/td][td]6955[/td][td]161*[/td][td]47.97[/td][td]15643[/td][td]44.46[/td][td]22[/td][td]39[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Saad Ali[/td][td]58[/td][td]95[/td][td]10[/td][td]3979[/td][td]232[/td][td]46.81[/td][td]7620[/td][td]52.21[/td][td]11[/td][td]18[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Umar Akmal[/td][td]79[/td][td]135[/td][td]9[/td][td]5713[/td][td]248[/td][td]45.34[/td][td]7564[/td][td]75.53[/td][td]14[/td][td]31[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Asad Shafiq[/td][td]69[/td][td]117[/td][td]13[/td][td]4315[/td][td]223[/td][td]41.49[/td][td]8207[/td][td]52.58[/td][td]10[/td][td]19[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Azhar Ali[/td][td]104[/td][td]171[/td][td]18[/td][td]5513[/td][td]154[/td][td]36.03[/td][td]12538[/td][td]43.97[/td][td]20[/td][td]17[/td][/tr][/table]

These are the stats ONLY for first-class (domestic 3/4/5-day) cricket with Tests taken out of the equation.

Discuss :azhar2 :asad2
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Surprised to see Azhar averaging nearly 7 points higher in Test cricket.
 
Umar’s SR is 75+, that’s a stats like 45/75, mostly playing in an era when 30/50 is probably the standard because of the playing conditions.

SR indeed is a factor in FC cricket, as it indicates shot making ability. Insignificant if the average is 25, but for average I’ve 45, one needs to check the SR, which gives an idea how fluent a batsman is after an hour in middle. I am afraid Usman’s SR are similar to Azhar - doesn’t give confidence.
 
Usman and saad were not given proper or enough chances before to drop from the squad. Asghar never got a game and is nowhere near the squad now..

Pak test team selection was never changed to keep things consistently tight even if it results in losing series after series.. three series lost in total if that is not any indication then what else would be. Can neglect the SA series since it an away and it is always hard for any Asian team to win or draw a test match. The highlight was 2 series lost in home and that to even against NZL is totally unacceptable.
 
Pakhs said:
As far as I know all of these have played atleast a few matches for Pakistan in the past. So I dont know what is the point of this post.
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When did Saad Ali play?
Usman has only played one test match
Fawad Alam has played 3 test matches
 
shah_1 said:
When did Saad Ali play?
Usman has only played one test match
Fawad Alam has played 3 test matches
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So only Saad Ali has not played for Pakistan yet. Rest of them are already in the loop and been around the squad practicing with current players and even playing an odd game. The reason they didnt play as many games as they probably dont look as good as Shfiq and Azhar in nets when practising with Pakistan international bowlers.

Saad Ali average is inflated due to playing on dead karachi wickets same as Fawad Alam.
 
Pakhs said:
. The reason they didnt play as many games as they probably dont look as good as Shfiq and Azhar in nets when practising with Pakistan international bowlers.

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Lets scrap first class cricket, and give all Pakistani batsmen to play in nets then great Micky Authur and Sarfraz will pick the players. Stop spouting rubbish and assume things you don't know.
 
Pakhs said:
So only Saad Ali has not played for Pakistan yet. Rest of them are already in the loop and been around the squad practicing with current players and even playing an odd game. The reason they didnt play as many games as they probably dont look as good as Shfiq and Azhar in nets when practising with Pakistan international bowlers.

Saad Ali average is inflated due to playing on dead karachi wickets same as Fawad Alam.
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Saad Ali hit almost 1000 runs in the 2017/18 season, far ahead of the other batsmen when the Dukes' ball was used. He also hit 144 against New Zealand A in his last outing.

Usman Salahuddin was made to carry the drinks for many tours, given one match at Headingley of all places and then dropped. He's been scoring consistently in FC cricket and in A games.

What does 'look good in the nets' mean and can you state the source that claims this?
 
shah_1 said:
Lets scrap first class cricket, and give all Pakistani batsmen to play in nets then great Micky Authur and Sarfraz will pick the players. Stop spouting rubbish and assume things you don't know.
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What you on about? First class cricket is there to select 15 for any international tour. Then the practice sessions etc come in and whoever looks in best shape plays according to captain and coach. If they cant perform in Practise nets what makes you think they will perform in international cricket? The likes of Babar when selected made sure they perform in nets and get themselves selected in the 11 but then its easy for him as he is clear one of the best in Pakistan not so easy for the ones you mentioned.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Saad Ali hit almost 1000 runs in the 2017/18 season, far ahead of the other batsmen when the Dukes' ball was used. He also hit 144 against New Zealand A in his last outing.

Usman Salahuddin was made to carry the drinks for many tours, given one match at Headingley of all places and then dropped. He's been scoring consistently in FC cricket and in A games.

What does 'look good in the nets' mean and can you state the source that claims this?
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Usman salahuddin will play more matches but he didnt look great with the only game he has played so far certainty not better than Shafiq technically. Regarding sources I said probably which you should google what it means.

If babar can make sure he is selected for every game then others should be able to too. The reason they probably cant is because they are not as good.
 
Pakhs said:
What you on about? First class cricket is there to select 15 for any international tour. Then the practice sessions etc come in and whoever looks in best shape plays according to captain and coach. If they cant perform in Practise nets what makes you think they will perform in international cricket? The likes of Babar when selected made sure they perform in nets and get themselves selected in the 11 but then its easy for him as he is clear one of the best in Pakistan not so easy for the ones you mentioned.
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What is the basis for your theory that they can't "perform in nets" and what exactly does that entail? Net sessions are not for gauging a batsman's ability to hit hundreds. This thought process makes no sense.
 
Regardless of what people say, Asad is the best Pakistani batsman currently. Azhar was the best before this series. They have the experience and one can't trust someone as mediocre as Fawad Alam to score in places like South Africa.
 
People talk about Umar Akmal getting numerous chances.

But that's not the case at the test level.

He was dumped too quickly.

If he does well in first class cricket, as he has done recently, he should get another look in.

I certainly prefer him over Azhar and Asad.
 
Abdullah719 said:
What is the basis for your theory that they can't "perform in nets" and what exactly does that entail? Net sessions are not for gauging a batsman's ability to hit hundreds. This thought process makes no sense.
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Simple theory being if you dont look in form in nets and others are then they play. This is true for even club level cricket where I play. Anyway I am not saying if they cant perform or look in form in nets but its very possible given only Pakistan best bowlers are bowling in nets once you are in the 15. Some players like Babar would probably select himself as he will look comfortable and wow the coach/captain other the ones you mentioned probably not as good as babar.
 
Shandarchowka said:
He showed his class with his 50's in South Africa. Yes, he did fail in first innings but he scored did score important runs.
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His runs was needed in the first match where we could have won the match.

Run was needed to get close to the lead in the third test . He didn’t do anything against NewZealand in the first test match as well where we lost by few runs.

He is totally useless when the team really needs him.
 
shah_1 said:
His runs was needed in the first match where we could have won the match.

Run was needed to get close to the lead in the third test . He didn’t do anything against NewZealand in the first test match as well where we lost by few runs.

He is totally useless when the team really needs him.
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so you are saying fawad alam and the likes will score those match winning runs? if you are then I will have to question your cricketing knowledge.
 
Pakhs said:
so you are saying fawad alam and the likes will score those match winning runs? if you are then I will have to question your cricketing knowledge.
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Exactly. Asad stood up against some pretty good bowling and scored tough runs, similar to Babar and Shan. We should make these three as our core and draft in new guys in the team. Anyone who actually watched Fawad bat will know he is the most mediocre player ever to play cricket.
 
I will add Umar Amin to the alternatives too and look out for recent QeA statistics.
 
Pakhs said:
so you are saying fawad alam and the likes will score those match winning runs? if you are then I will have to question your cricketing knowledge.
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Even 50 runs altogether in both innings and SA would have been chasing 200+. It is not too demanding. You can expect from him after playing 70+ odd matches. Even in the first innings of last test, he needed to stick with Imam but crowardly got out.


Will be very easy in UAE where we lost by few runs against New Zealand. Shafiq is a mental midget and is a failed investment.

Its time to develop someone else
 
shah_1 said:
Even 50 runs altogether in both innings and SA would have been chasing 200+. It is not too demanding. You can expect from him after playing 70+ odd matches. Even in the first innings of last test, he needed to stick with Imam but crowardly got out.


Will be very easy in UAE where we lost by few runs against New Zealand. Shafiq is a mental midget and is a failed investment.

Its time to develop someone else
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Develop others for sure, But dont punish Shafiq for not being kholi or close to top fab 4 level which he is not. The players you have mentioned wont improve Pakistan batting one bit. We need to better our FC game to produce world class batsmen in future. As of now we only get one good batsmen every 10 years like yousuf, younis and now babar but we need 6 in one go.
 
Shandarchowka said:
Regardless of what people say, Asad is the best Pakistani batsman currently. Azhar was the best before this series. They have the experience and one can't trust someone as mediocre as Fawad Alam to score in places like South Africa.
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I also think same that even if Fawad Alam would have been there he could not have done anything better because he is not also a good player of short ball
 
Suhail Lone said:
I also think same that even if Fawad Alam would have been there he could not have done anything better because he is not also a good player of short ball
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Fawad would do very well in UAE as it suits his style of play, but so can Azhar and Asad. Out of UAE, I still back Azhar and Asad to outscore Fawad 90% of the times.
 
Pakhs said:
The players you have mentioned wont improve Pakistan batting one bit.
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Even Shan came back after performing in domestic cricket. He wasn’t even suppose to play in the series till Harris got injured. There was no other option as we didn’t select any middle order batsman. He outperformed all of them. So much for judging the talent by watching them play in nets loool :)). Foolish statement from you
 
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Shandarchowka said:
Fawad would do very well in UAE as it suits his style of play, but so can Azhar and Asad. Out of UAE, I still back Azhar and Asad to outscore Fawad 90% of the times.
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Asad is inconsistent even in UAE.

Let's take care of home base first in UAE before worrying about our overseas record. If Fawad can help ensure we win UAE series he'll have done a good job.

In this era of home domination it is embarassing to be losing series in UAE left and right.
 
Markhor said:
Asad is inconsistent even in UAE.

Let's take care of home base first in UAE before worrying about our overseas record. If Fawad can help ensure we win UAE series he'll have done a good job.

In this era of home domination it is embarassing to be losing series in UAE left and right.
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I say let's drop Azhar, ignore Fawad and look at some youngsters like Usman/Saad to have eye on the future. Fawad is clearly not the correct investment at this point in time.
 
[MENTION=147687]Shandarchowka[/MENTION]: I agree with you.. This is the same mediocre Fawad Alam that scored a century vs Srilanka in the test vs Srilanka, where all others failed. He plays for himself and not Pak team unlike others.
 
shah_1 said:
Even Shan came back after performing in domestic cricket. He wasn’t even suppose to play in the series till Harris got injured. There was no other option as we didn’t select any middle order batsman. He outperformed all of them. So much for judging the talent by watching them play in nets loool :)). Foolish statement from you
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He has played quit a few games before the reason he was able to convince the selectors by performing in FC and then coaches / captain by performing in nets etc.
 
Meanwhile 32 averaging Imam UL HAQ had no problem getting direct entry to test squad and playing eleven.
 
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Azhar Ali's is lower as he started off as a bowler. He averaged over 50 as an opener for a few seasons I believe.

Usman's is arguably inflated because he wasn't playing in the top tier of domestic, more 2nd division. He's still probably good but there's a doubt.

Fawad Alam has dominated in domestic for over a decade, really no one except those who have played international cricket regularly (i.e. Misbah and YK) come close. Kept out due to bad technique and visually unattractive batting style.

Umar Akmal simply lost form and put on weight. His domestic average dropped from what it used to be, but there are signs he's recovering form.

Haris of course mostly injured, played when he's not injured. Saud has just started performing well.

Saad Ali is the strangest case IMO, mid 20s, yet has been performing in all 3 formats for years. His technique isn't stand out like Haris, but it looks better than Fawad's. We should have been desperate to include this guy at least in our squads, grooming for international cricket. Yet hasn't got a game yet, and hardly part of the squad. There's an excuse to leave out the rest of them, but I really do struggle to think of one in Saad's case.
 
So What Inzi changed by holding the position. These cricketers cry when they play, they mock the team when they become experts in comm box. They talk big when on talk shows and tv. But When given seat they are same as others corrupt to the core all talk no action.

I really thought Inzi would give chance to deserving players as he is a cricketer himself and know the game but he is also like any other selector we had. Shameful...:misbah3:misbah3
 
Plumb said:
So What Inzi changed by holding the position. These cricketers cry when they play, they mock the team when they become experts in comm box. They talk big when on talk shows and tv. But When given seat they are same as others corrupt to the core all talk no action.

I really thought Inzi would give chance to deserving players as he is a cricketer himself and know the game but he is also like any other selector we had. Shameful...:misbah3:misbah3
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All his latest selection decisions have been to safeguard Imam's spot in the side. Watch how people have little or no complaints from selection of bowlers and alrounders, but batting there are absolutely no new batsmen selected.
 
Now FC stats don't matter as Asad and Azhar have played around 70 tests so onus was on them to improve and also they both were given fair chances in odi's as well and didn't settled there so they had only one format to focus and its alarming that they both performed below expectations.
 
Pakhs said:
He has played quit a few games before the reason he was able to convince the selectors by performing in FC and then coaches / captain by performing in nets etc.
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Lool you’re trolling.

He was in the squad like Saad Ali and Usman. He wasn’t even considered for the team in the playing 11 till the last moment because Harris Sohail got injured and there was no other player to replace him in the team because no middle order batsman was selected. He was FORCED to play due to no option. It wasn’t due to being convinced by captain/selector.

This clearly proves your analysis wrong. Give them chance otherwise there is no way to tell if he is good enough. Sarfraz is no Imran that he has an eye for talent, he himself is big floppy.
 
Give them this year and if they cannot start averaging around 45, that should be it. Shafiq redeemed himself somewhat after playing two blistering innings in South Africa. The test side should look like this:

1) Imam
2) Masood
3) Azhar
4) Shafiq
5) Haris
6) Babar
7) Sarfaraz (c) (wk)
8) Shadab/Shaheen
9) Shah
10) Amir/Hasan
11) Abbas

With Usman, Saad and Rizwan in the lineup, ready to take over from Azhar, Shafiq and Sarfaraz, should their performances continue declining.
 
This is just sad and makes me furious. Can Saj or someone take this to pcb or even a higher authority and demand to know why Fawad and Salahuddin are not in the test and odi lineup ? Does Inzamam have a twitter feed where we can post the above graph and hold Inzamam accountable. Is there anything else we can do to make the selectors aware that we have better deserving players in domestic just rotting away. I wish Pcb had something similiar to coas which is a higher authority that sits on top of BCCI to hold them accountable. As i understand it theres no one higher than pcb besides Imran Khan to ask these questions and he doesn't have the time to intervene in these matters as he has a country to run.

If theres some online petition that we can sign to include Fawad, Saad and Usman , we should sign it and post it on social media.

I also think Fawad and Usman are in their right to sue pcb for nepotism and selection bias.
 
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Azhar Ali's is lower as he started off as a bowler. He averaged over 50 as an opener for a few seasons I believe.

Usman's is arguably inflated because he wasn't playing in the top tier of domestic, more 2nd division. He's still probably good but there's a doubt.

Fawad Alam has dominated in domestic for over a decade, really no one except those who have played international cricket regularly (i.e. Misbah and YK) come close. Kept out due to bad technique and visually unattractive batting style.

Umar Akmal simply lost form and put on weight. His domestic average dropped from what it used to be, but there are signs he's recovering form.

Haris of course mostly injured, played when he's not injured. Saud has just started performing well.

Saad Ali is the strangest case IMO, mid 20s, yet has been performing in all 3 formats for years. His technique isn't stand out like Haris, but it looks better than Fawad's. We should have been desperate to include this guy at least in our squads, grooming for international cricket. Yet hasn't got a game yet, and hardly part of the squad. There's an excuse to leave out the rest of them, but I really do struggle to think of one in Saad's case.
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I tried filtering out Azhar's early seasons to see if that would impact his stats. It didn't. Looks like he's just had a very inconsistent FC career. These are his FC stats in Pakistan only (disregarding Somerset stint and other FC matches such as warm-up games etc.):

[table=class:grid][tr][td]Season[/td][td]Matches[/td][td]Inns[/td][td]Not Out[/td][td]Runs[/td][td]HS[/td][td]Ave[/td][td]100[/td][td]50[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2001-02[/td][td]1[/td][td]2[/td][td]1[/td][td]17[/td][td]14*[/td][td]17.00[/td][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2002-03[/td][td]1[/td][td]1[/td][td]0[/td][td]18[/td][td]18[/td][td]18.00[/td][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2003-04[/td][td]4[/td][td]5[/td][td]1[/td][td]134[/td][td]53[/td][td]33.50[/td][td]0[/td][td]1[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2004-05[/td][td]1[/td][td]1[/td][td]0[/td][td]21[/td][td]21[/td][td]21.00[/td][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2005-06[/td][td]1[/td][td]2[/td][td]1[/td][td]103[/td][td]64[/td][td]103.00[/td][td]0[/td][td]1[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2006-07[/td][td]5[/td][td]7[/td][td]1[/td][td]409[/td][td]115*[/td][td]68.16[/td][td]2[/td][td]2[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2007-08[/td][td]10[/td][td]13[/td][td]1[/td][td]603[/td][td]150[/td][td]50.25[/td][td]4[/td][td]1[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2008-09[/td][td]13[/td][td]24[/td][td]2[/td][td]788[/td][td]135[/td][td]35.81[/td][td]3[/td][td]2[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2009-10[/td][td]10[/td][td]17[/td][td]2[/td][td]445[/td][td]153*[/td][td]29.66[/td][td]2[/td][td]0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2010-11[/td][td]6[/td][td]8[/td][td]0[/td][td]156[/td][td]92[/td][td]19.50[/td][td]0[/td][td]1[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2011-12[/td][td]4[/td][td]7[/td][td]0[/td][td]39[/td][td]14[/td][td]5.57[/td][td]0[/td][td]0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2012-13[/td][td]9[/td][td]17[/td][td]1[/td][td]484[/td][td]129*[/td][td]30.25[/td][td]1[/td][td]1[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2013-14[/td][td]6[/td][td]10[/td][td]1[/td][td]331[/td][td]106*[/td][td]36.77[/td][td]2[/td][td]0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2014-15[/td][td]3[/td][td]5[/td][td]0[/td][td]222[/td][td]154[/td][td]44.40[/td][td]1[/td][td]0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2015-16[/td][td]6[/td][td]10[/td][td]1[/td][td]377[/td][td]142[/td][td]41.88[/td][td]1[/td][td]2[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2017-18[/td][td]4[/td][td]7[/td][td]0[/td][td]205[/td][td]118[/td][td]29.28[/td][td]1[/td][td]0[/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2018-19[/td][td]1[/td][td]2[/td][td]0[/td][td]79[/td][td]72[/td][td]39.50[/td][td]0[/td][td]1[/td][/tr][/table]

Even if you remove the first 5-6 seasons from the equation, his average will be around the 35-36 mark. He's one of the rare cases of players who have completely performed way beyond (statistical) expectations at the international level.
 
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how did Azhar Ali get selected at 1st place?

Neither his numbers are great nor he was ever so "talented"
So how did he get into test team back in 2010?
 
RyanRyan10 said:
how did Azhar Ali get selected at 1st place?

Neither his numbers are great nor he was ever so "talented"
So how did he get into test team back in 2010?
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In the four seasons prior to his Test selection, he hit 11 hundreds and 5 fifties. Now his average during that period was only 41, but that's pretty decent for a top order batsman. Also, it's rare for batsmen in Pakistan FC cricket to be hitting hundreds at that rate. That must've played a part.
 
Time to reward these guys. Azhar is done at intentional level. Asad has done enough to stay. Would like to see Salahuddin,Saad Ali,and Saud more chances in tests cricket. They can't do any worse than what we did in SA.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Saad Ali failed in the first two A games but hit 144 in the final one against NZ A.
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Should be given a chance in place of either Azhar or Asad in the coming Test series.

However I don't believe either of Saad, Usman or Fawad will make this Pakistan team into a world-beating Test side.
 
Don't be fooled by Salahuddin's numbers, he's been striking at 38-39 in this season's FC matches. Last thing we need is another Azhar Ali.
 
topspin said:
Don't be fooled by Salahuddin's numbers, he's been striking at 38-39 in this season's FC matches. Last thing we need is another Azhar Ali.
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Beggars can't be choosers. If his Azhar tactics don't work , he can be dropped. He's performing and deserves a chance.
 
Hasan123 said:
Beggars can't be choosers. If his Azhar tactics don't work , he can be dropped. He's performing and deserves a chance.
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Usman looked a very limited batsman from the two innings he played in 2018, but you can't really judge a player from just two innings.

Saad looks the best prospect out of these three though. Has a decent SR.

Fawad would have been slaughtered in South Africa. He will do well in the UAE, but doesn't have the technique to handle overseas conditions.
 
Hasan123 said:
Beggars can't be choosers. If his Azhar tactics don't work , he can be dropped. He's performing and deserves a chance.
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He deserves to be on the radar at least but Saad Ali, Saud Shakeel and Umar Akmal are a lot better. They all score their runs at a good tempo evident by their 50+ SRs.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Usman looked a very limited batsman from the two innings he played in 2018, but you can't really judge a player from just two innings.

Saad looks the best prospect out of these three though. Has a decent SR.

Fawad would have been slaughtered in South Africa. He will do well in the UAE, but doesn't have the technique to handle overseas conditions.
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Yes I was one of the 1st to say his lack of shot range was a worry. But he has the numbers so giving him a chance isn't the worst idea.

If he doesn't perform he will dropped. Nothing to lose.
 
topspin said:
He deserves to be on the radar at least but Saad Ali, Saud Shakeel and Umar Akmal are a lot better. They all score their runs at a good tempo evident by their 50+ SRs.
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Yes I would like them to be given chances but I have a feeling Inzi won't change anything.
 
Hasan123 said:
Yes I would like them to be given chances but I have a feeling Inzi won't change anything.
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The problem with him stems from his captaincy days where his preference lies with known names even if they're TTFs, so going by historical selections of his (and Pakistan cricket in general), we may not see the likes of Saad Ali and Saud Shakeel until they hit 30 - in accordance to the side's seniority culture.

Umar Akmal has a good chance since he is a known name and I'd imagine Inzy would take a liking to how he bats especially against pace bowling but he must also prove fitness. If he continues to remain unfit then there is no harm in bringing Saad Ali and Saud Shakeel in for Azhar and Asad since the former is finished and latter has a habit of scoring the minimum when they're question marks over his selection but decides to up his game when Pakistan are on the verge of losing (like in the last test and Brisbane D/N test ton).
 
Abdullah719 said:
In the four seasons prior to his Test selection, he hit 11 hundreds and 5 fifties. Now his average during that period was only 41, but that's pretty decent for a top order batsman. Also, it's rare for batsmen in Pakistan FC cricket to be hitting hundreds at that rate. That must've played a part.
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Just checked, Azhar has played as an opener for a large portion of his FC career including this aforementioned period. So his numbers will naturally take a hit. The other batsmen mentioned in OP all bat in the middle order, specially Fawad Alam who often bats at 5/6.
 
For future my team will be:
For uae:
Abid Ali
Omair Yousuf
Haris(must improve his fitness)
Babar
Usman salahuddin
fawad alam
Sarfraz(rizwan if sarfraz fails to perform in next series)
Zafar gohar
Yasir(for uae only)
Junaid(due to his excellent track record in uae)
Abbas/Hassan/shaheen/Amir
Bench:
Azhar
Saad Ali
Asad Shafiq
abbas
Hassan/shaheen/amir
Fahim
Rizwan
For Overseas:
Abid Ali
Omair Yousuf
Haris(must improve his fitness)
Babar
Usman salahuddin
Saad ali
Sarfraz(rizwan if sarfraz fails to perform in next series)
fahim/shadab(depends upon overseas condition)
Amir
Junaid
shaheen
Bench:
Abbas
shadab/fahim
rizwan/sarfraz
fawad alam
Asad/azhar
hassan

I selected the team mostly those batsmen based on their domestic performances and averages these above players in my team are all above 40 plus averages in domestic except abid ali who has an average close to 40 but he is performig for the last 3 4 years and for uae i have made a team that is best suited to uae condition with fawad alam and zohar gohar. with zafar gohar and yasir you got two genuine spinners who can take full advantage of uae conditions unlike bilal asif who was average bowler although he took two fivers against aus and nzl but he was average in both series.
 
topspin said:
Don't be fooled by Salahuddin's numbers, he's been striking at 38-39 in this season's FC matches. Last thing we need is another Azhar Ali.
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There is no problem having an Azhar Ali type batsman (grinder) if he's actually scoring runs and playing long innings consistently.

Currently Azhar is doing neither.
 
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