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Federal Govt imposes ban on TLP under the anti-terrorism law [Post#63]
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Bit of a climbdown?
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Tehreek-e-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP) Sindh chief Ameer Razi Hussaini said Thursday if the party's central leadership does not resolve matters through talks with the government, then he will leave the party.
Hussaini, in a video statement, said: "If [TLP chief] Saad Rizvi does not give up his stubbornness and refuses to negotiate, I will leave the party. Issues must be resolved through dialogue and not [through agitation] on the streets."
The party's Sindh chief said the protests, wherever they might be taking place, should be stopped. "Several innocent lives have been lost due to the violence that took place in the country."
Hussaini said if TLP is unable to resolve the matters through dialogue, the nation will be disappointed in party chief Saad Rizvi.
Following a three-day protest staged by TLP in the country which led to the killing of three people, including two policemen, the Federal Ministry of Interior issued a detailed report related to arrests made in this regard.
Some 2,135 protesters have been arrested from across the country, out of which 1,669 were from Punjab and 228 were from Sindh, according to the report of the Interior Ministry.
The report further detailed that 193 people were arrested from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, while 45 were taken into custody from the federal capital of Islamabad.
The government has registered cases against the protesters under the country's anti-terrorism laws for creating chaos, vandalising public and private properties, and beating up and killing of police personnel. Nearly 100 policemen were left injured during clashes with the protesters.
TLP banned
In a major development earlier in the day, the federal government issued a notification for banning TLP, saying it engaged in terrorism, acted in a manner prejudicial to the peace and security of the country, involved in creating anarchy in the country by intimidating the public, and caused grievous bodily harm.
"Now, therefore, in exercise of the powers conferred by Section 11B(1) of the Anti-Terrorism Act, 1997, the Federal Government is pleased to list Tehreek Labbaik Pakistan in the First Schedule to the said Act as a proscribed organisation for the purposes of the said Act," the notification added.
TLP had 'dangerous intentions' for Pakistan
Federal Interior Minister Sheikh Rasheed, while addressing a press conference prior to the notification's issuance, had said the religious party had "dangerous" designs when it held the protests.
"They were adamant on coming [to the Faizabad Interchange] for the fourth time," he said, referring to the religious party's supporters. "This is why we took decisions to prevent that."
Rasheed said the violence was unfortunate as the government was willing to negotiate with protesters. He said the government had not backed away from its promise to present a resolution of the religious party's demands in Parliament.
"We got to know during the negotiations that they [religious party] were planning a march on April 20," he said, adding that the reaction from the party after the arrest of a leader could not be justified.
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Tehreek-e-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP) Sindh chief Ameer Razi Hussaini said Thursday if the party's central leadership does not resolve matters through talks with the government, then he will leave the party.
Hussaini, in a video statement, said: "If [TLP chief] Saad Rizvi does not give up his stubbornness and refuses to negotiate, I will leave the party. Issues must be resolved through dialogue and not [through agitation] on the streets."
The party's Sindh chief said the protests, wherever they might be taking place, should be stopped. "Several innocent lives have been lost due to the violence that took place in the country."
Hussaini said if TLP is unable to resolve the matters through dialogue, the nation will be disappointed in party chief Saad Rizvi.
Following a three-day protest staged by TLP in the country which led to the killing of three people, including two policemen, the Federal Ministry of Interior issued a detailed report related to arrests made in this regard.
Some 2,135 protesters have been arrested from across the country, out of which 1,669 were from Punjab and 228 were from Sindh, according to the report of the Interior Ministry.
The report further detailed that 193 people were arrested from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, while 45 were taken into custody from the federal capital of Islamabad.
The government has registered cases against the protesters under the country's anti-terrorism laws for creating chaos, vandalising public and private properties, and beating up and killing of police personnel. Nearly 100 policemen were left injured during clashes with the protesters.
TLP banned
In a major development earlier in the day, the federal government issued a notification for banning TLP, saying it engaged in terrorism, acted in a manner prejudicial to the peace and security of the country, involved in creating anarchy in the country by intimidating the public, and caused grievous bodily harm.
"Now, therefore, in exercise of the powers conferred by Section 11B(1) of the Anti-Terrorism Act, 1997, the Federal Government is pleased to list Tehreek Labbaik Pakistan in the First Schedule to the said Act as a proscribed organisation for the purposes of the said Act," the notification added.
TLP had 'dangerous intentions' for Pakistan
Federal Interior Minister Sheikh Rasheed, while addressing a press conference prior to the notification's issuance, had said the religious party had "dangerous" designs when it held the protests.
"They were adamant on coming [to the Faizabad Interchange] for the fourth time," he said, referring to the religious party's supporters. "This is why we took decisions to prevent that."
Rasheed said the violence was unfortunate as the government was willing to negotiate with protesters. He said the government had not backed away from its promise to present a resolution of the religious party's demands in Parliament.
"We got to know during the negotiations that they [religious party] were planning a march on April 20," he said, adding that the reaction from the party after the arrest of a leader could not be justified.
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Should bulldoze TLP as they are down now. Arrest the miscreants and those who murdered the security forces. Send them to the gallows so an example is set to these munafiq maulvis.
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Actions speak louder then words, he's banned them. Some people are just never content with Khan and you are one of them.
I know it has been banned but Sheikh Rasheed is bearing the brunt of the decision from the public. The PM should have come out on day one and made a strong statement.
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LONDON: Nearly two dozen supporters, purportedly from the UK chapter of the Tehreek-i-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP), gathered outside the Pakistan High Commission in London to demand that the Pakistan government expel the French ambassador as well as boycott French products.
Though they did not formally identify a leader or organiser of the protest, they carried the party’s flag and chanted its characteristic “Labbaik” slogan.
The group gathered at Lowndes Square on Thursday afternoon to chant slogans and also submit a petition with their formal complaints to the High Commission. They also protested against the death of TLP workers who were killed during ongoing riots across Pakistan.
The protestors were largely British Pakistanis settled in London, while some had travelled from Birmingham where the TLP is known to have a limited but active presence.
Metropolitan Police officials arrived at the scene and allowed the protesters to raise their concerns in a peaceful manner. Among their slogans, the protesters chanted one in Urdu that translates to inciting violence against someone who commits blasphemy.
The petition detailed the group’s position on blasphemous sketches and summarised their demands to the government about the expulsion of the French ambassador. It also noted that the government had reneged on an agreement with the group and protested the arrest of their leader despite their understanding with government officials.
The government of Pakistan this week moved to ban the TLP after its elements attacked police officials during widespread protests that paralysed major thoroughfares across the country.
In a country policy and information note on Pakistan from December 2020, the Home Office described the TLP as a party that emerged out of a protest movement in 2016 against the state’s execution of Mumtaz Qadri.
It noted that, in its first ever election in September, 2017, “the party surprised Pakistani political elite with a strong showing” by securing nearly 8 per cent of total votes cast in a by-election.
It also added a note from the International Crisis Group report dated January 2019, which said religious groups, spearheaded by the TLP launched violent protests countrywide after the Supreme Court’s acquittal of Aasia Bibi, a Christian sentenced to death for blasphemy by a court in 2010. It said the group attacked police officers and citizens and also destroyed public and private property.
Published in Dawn, April 16th, 2021
Though they did not formally identify a leader or organiser of the protest, they carried the party’s flag and chanted its characteristic “Labbaik” slogan.
The group gathered at Lowndes Square on Thursday afternoon to chant slogans and also submit a petition with their formal complaints to the High Commission. They also protested against the death of TLP workers who were killed during ongoing riots across Pakistan.
The protestors were largely British Pakistanis settled in London, while some had travelled from Birmingham where the TLP is known to have a limited but active presence.
Metropolitan Police officials arrived at the scene and allowed the protesters to raise their concerns in a peaceful manner. Among their slogans, the protesters chanted one in Urdu that translates to inciting violence against someone who commits blasphemy.
The petition detailed the group’s position on blasphemous sketches and summarised their demands to the government about the expulsion of the French ambassador. It also noted that the government had reneged on an agreement with the group and protested the arrest of their leader despite their understanding with government officials.
The government of Pakistan this week moved to ban the TLP after its elements attacked police officials during widespread protests that paralysed major thoroughfares across the country.
In a country policy and information note on Pakistan from December 2020, the Home Office described the TLP as a party that emerged out of a protest movement in 2016 against the state’s execution of Mumtaz Qadri.
It noted that, in its first ever election in September, 2017, “the party surprised Pakistani political elite with a strong showing” by securing nearly 8 per cent of total votes cast in a by-election.
It also added a note from the International Crisis Group report dated January 2019, which said religious groups, spearheaded by the TLP launched violent protests countrywide after the Supreme Court’s acquittal of Aasia Bibi, a Christian sentenced to death for blasphemy by a court in 2010. It said the group attacked police officers and citizens and also destroyed public and private property.
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LAHORE: Life returned to normal in Punjab after the police and the paramilitary forces early on Thursday uprooted another mega protest camp of the recently proscribed Tehreek-i-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP) at Shangi Chowk of Ferozepur Road, the stronghold of the organisation.
The operation was professionally handled and the security forces not only had both sides of the road of the city cleared amid brief resistance but also arrested hundreds of activists of the TLP. It was the second last major protest venue for the TLP in Punjab. More than 500 hardened and violent activists of the organisation had staged a sit-in at the intersection.
The Punjab police eradicated 91 protest camps of the TLP which were mostly set up on the leading roads, intersections and exit-entry points of the districts, creating problems for the masses. The TLP had taken to the street across the country especially in Punjab after its chief Saad Hussain Rizvi was detained by security forces in Lahore on Monday last.
Fierce scuffles broke out between the police and the activists of the TLP which made Punjab a battlefield. From amongst 36 districts, the provincial capital Lahore, Rawalpindi and Sheikhupura were the most troubled districts were hundreds of charged activists of the TLP had created law and order situation by making frequent attacks on the police and even the public.
The last operation of the Pakistan (Punjab) Rangers and the anti-riot force of the city police was led by Lahore Capital City Police Officer (CCPO) Ghulam Mahmood Dogar, an official told Dawn. He said the massively-equipped forces launched operation an hour before Sehri on Thursday by surrounding the entire vicinity. They first fired teargas to disperse the TLP supporters who had already arranged two trucks carrying thousands of bricks to offer strong resistance.
“We made arrests of 125 extremists of the TLP including its prime local leadership from the Shangi Chowk venue,” CCPO Ghulam Mahmood Dogar told this reporter. He said the forces got both sides of the leading roads cleared within half an hour of the operation.
“As many as 800 personnel of the Rangers and the police took part in the massive operation with the support of logistics including armoured vehicles and water cannons,”Mr Dogar said. He said the police before and after the operation kept house-to-house search in the adjoining localities of the protest venue from where the activists were getting support including the food. The localities included Chungi Amar Sidhu, Sitara Colony, Kacha Jail Road, and Main Bazaar.
He said out of the total 22 protest camps, 21 had been cleared by the Lahore police. The last one and main protest venue is at Yateem Khana Chowk and the police department was preparing to launch a crackdown there.
Another senior police official said that on the second day of the protest of the TLP, the Punjab police uprooted 60 camps out of 92 in Punjab. He said though TLP had reoccupied many of them next day, the police continued their operation.
On Thursday, there were only 20 protest venues of the TLP in Punjab which have now been cleared. He said the TLP had given tough time to the police in Rawalpindi, Sheikhupura, Gujranwala, Gujrat, Kasur, Faisalabad, Bahawalnagar, Bahawalpur, Mianwali, Jhang, Mandi Bahauddin, Jhelum and Sialkot where they had launched massive agitation. He said the weak administration was reported in Pasrur tehsil of Sialkot where violent mob of TLP attacked the police station, damaged property, injured policemen including a DSP and also occupied the police building.
In another such incident in Mandi Bahauddin, the TLP men held up the SP investigation who was later rescued in a massive operation which was led by the DPO of the district.
The head of Rawalpindi police also led the operations in the city where a gathering of hundreds of charged activists was posing serious threats to the peace.
At Dina in Jhelum, a gathering of over 800 activists of the TLP offered strong resistance but the security forces got the road cleared from them in an operation. Sheikhupra was another stronghold of the organisation where the RPO and the DPO led the operations and brought life to normal by dispersing the protesters and making several arrests.
“The security forces arrested 3,000 extremists/activists of the TLP during the last four days,” the Punjab police spokesperson told Dawn. He said the RPOs, CPOs and DPOs set an example of bravery by leading operations in their respective areas and finally eradicated all the protest camps on Thursday.
He said under a strategy heavy deployment had been made in these areas for strong follow-up to ensure the writ of the state.
Published in Dawn, April 16th, 2021
The operation was professionally handled and the security forces not only had both sides of the road of the city cleared amid brief resistance but also arrested hundreds of activists of the TLP. It was the second last major protest venue for the TLP in Punjab. More than 500 hardened and violent activists of the organisation had staged a sit-in at the intersection.
The Punjab police eradicated 91 protest camps of the TLP which were mostly set up on the leading roads, intersections and exit-entry points of the districts, creating problems for the masses. The TLP had taken to the street across the country especially in Punjab after its chief Saad Hussain Rizvi was detained by security forces in Lahore on Monday last.
Fierce scuffles broke out between the police and the activists of the TLP which made Punjab a battlefield. From amongst 36 districts, the provincial capital Lahore, Rawalpindi and Sheikhupura were the most troubled districts were hundreds of charged activists of the TLP had created law and order situation by making frequent attacks on the police and even the public.
The last operation of the Pakistan (Punjab) Rangers and the anti-riot force of the city police was led by Lahore Capital City Police Officer (CCPO) Ghulam Mahmood Dogar, an official told Dawn. He said the massively-equipped forces launched operation an hour before Sehri on Thursday by surrounding the entire vicinity. They first fired teargas to disperse the TLP supporters who had already arranged two trucks carrying thousands of bricks to offer strong resistance.
“We made arrests of 125 extremists of the TLP including its prime local leadership from the Shangi Chowk venue,” CCPO Ghulam Mahmood Dogar told this reporter. He said the forces got both sides of the leading roads cleared within half an hour of the operation.
“As many as 800 personnel of the Rangers and the police took part in the massive operation with the support of logistics including armoured vehicles and water cannons,”Mr Dogar said. He said the police before and after the operation kept house-to-house search in the adjoining localities of the protest venue from where the activists were getting support including the food. The localities included Chungi Amar Sidhu, Sitara Colony, Kacha Jail Road, and Main Bazaar.
He said out of the total 22 protest camps, 21 had been cleared by the Lahore police. The last one and main protest venue is at Yateem Khana Chowk and the police department was preparing to launch a crackdown there.
Another senior police official said that on the second day of the protest of the TLP, the Punjab police uprooted 60 camps out of 92 in Punjab. He said though TLP had reoccupied many of them next day, the police continued their operation.
On Thursday, there were only 20 protest venues of the TLP in Punjab which have now been cleared. He said the TLP had given tough time to the police in Rawalpindi, Sheikhupura, Gujranwala, Gujrat, Kasur, Faisalabad, Bahawalnagar, Bahawalpur, Mianwali, Jhang, Mandi Bahauddin, Jhelum and Sialkot where they had launched massive agitation. He said the weak administration was reported in Pasrur tehsil of Sialkot where violent mob of TLP attacked the police station, damaged property, injured policemen including a DSP and also occupied the police building.
In another such incident in Mandi Bahauddin, the TLP men held up the SP investigation who was later rescued in a massive operation which was led by the DPO of the district.
The head of Rawalpindi police also led the operations in the city where a gathering of hundreds of charged activists was posing serious threats to the peace.
At Dina in Jhelum, a gathering of over 800 activists of the TLP offered strong resistance but the security forces got the road cleared from them in an operation. Sheikhupra was another stronghold of the organisation where the RPO and the DPO led the operations and brought life to normal by dispersing the protesters and making several arrests.
“The security forces arrested 3,000 extremists/activists of the TLP during the last four days,” the Punjab police spokesperson told Dawn. He said the RPOs, CPOs and DPOs set an example of bravery by leading operations in their respective areas and finally eradicated all the protest camps on Thursday.
He said under a strategy heavy deployment had been made in these areas for strong follow-up to ensure the writ of the state.
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The Punjab Police, which is normally useless did a grand job in the circumstances. Lets give the leaders very long prison sentences and the road men, fairly long sentences.
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Next you will say the font on the press statement was the wrong colour.
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ISLAMABAD: The opposition on Friday lashed out at the government in the National Assembly for signing what it called an “illogical” agreement with the Tehreek-i-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP) last year about expulsion of French ambassador from the country and severing of trade relations with France over its government’s stance on publication of blasphemous sketches in a magazine.
The government, however, claimed it had never inked any agreement regarding expulsion of the ambassador. Rather, an understanding had been reached with the TLP that a resolution would be tabled in the assembly regarding removal of the ambassador.
The agreement with the TLP, as reported by the media, read: “The government will take a decision from the Parliament regarding expulsion of the French ambassador within three months, will not appoint its ambassador to France and release all the arrested workers of the TLP. The government will not register any case against the TLP leaders or workers even after it calls off the sit-in.”
In September 2020, French magazine Charlie Hebdo had republished blasphemous sketches of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) that triggered protests across the Muslim world. TLP was among the parties and groups that mounted protests in Pakistan over the issue.
“When the government knew that it could not sever bilateral relations with France, then why such an agreement was signed with TLP,” asked Naveed Qamar of the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) during a debate in the National Assembly.
MNAs demand that a committee be set up to deliberate on the objectives of establishing the TLP and those behind the move
He said the government was thinking of moving the Supreme Court for dissolution of TLP, but the parliament was not being taken into confidence over the matter. “Nothing is being conveyed to the parliament,” he said.
Mr Qamar asked whether decisions in the past to ban certain organisations had been implemented in letter and spirit. He said the interior minister should inform the house on details of the banned organisations and what action, if any, had been taken against them.
Syed Imran Ahmed Shah of the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) said the government should cut all sorts of relations with France and its ambassador should be sent back. “The maximum debt owed to France might be Rs17 billion to Rs18bn, which the lovers of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) could retire from their own pockets,” he remarked.
Former prime minister and senior PML-N leader Shahid Khaqan Abbasi asked why the assembly’s proceedings lasted on an average for two hours only when the house could easily be asked to sit for four hours.
Weighing in on the issue, Mr Qamar asked Speaker Asad Qaiser to hold consultations with all the parties in the parliament regarding timings of the sessions.
Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam-F’s member Salahuddin Ayubi was of the opinion that JUI-F could be banned just as TLP had been.
During the debate, the opposition demanded that a committee be set up to deliberate on the objectives of establishing the TLP and who were behind the move.
Riaz Pirzada of the PML-N said the members of the assembly should be informed who had formed two banned organisations, the Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan and Sipah-i-Sahaba Pakistan. “First a genie is created that later becomes a headache for its creators,” he added.
On this, Minister of State for Parliamentary Affairs Muhammad Ali Khan said the government had not signed any agreement that the French ambassador should be removed. “We just assured the TLP that a resolution will be tabled in the parliament in this regard,” he said.
During talks with the government the TLP had insisted that the government should table a resolution of its (TLP’s) choice in the parliament, the minister added.
Published in Dawn, April 17th, 2021
The government, however, claimed it had never inked any agreement regarding expulsion of the ambassador. Rather, an understanding had been reached with the TLP that a resolution would be tabled in the assembly regarding removal of the ambassador.
The agreement with the TLP, as reported by the media, read: “The government will take a decision from the Parliament regarding expulsion of the French ambassador within three months, will not appoint its ambassador to France and release all the arrested workers of the TLP. The government will not register any case against the TLP leaders or workers even after it calls off the sit-in.”
In September 2020, French magazine Charlie Hebdo had republished blasphemous sketches of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) that triggered protests across the Muslim world. TLP was among the parties and groups that mounted protests in Pakistan over the issue.
“When the government knew that it could not sever bilateral relations with France, then why such an agreement was signed with TLP,” asked Naveed Qamar of the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) during a debate in the National Assembly.
MNAs demand that a committee be set up to deliberate on the objectives of establishing the TLP and those behind the move
He said the government was thinking of moving the Supreme Court for dissolution of TLP, but the parliament was not being taken into confidence over the matter. “Nothing is being conveyed to the parliament,” he said.
Mr Qamar asked whether decisions in the past to ban certain organisations had been implemented in letter and spirit. He said the interior minister should inform the house on details of the banned organisations and what action, if any, had been taken against them.
Syed Imran Ahmed Shah of the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) said the government should cut all sorts of relations with France and its ambassador should be sent back. “The maximum debt owed to France might be Rs17 billion to Rs18bn, which the lovers of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) could retire from their own pockets,” he remarked.
Former prime minister and senior PML-N leader Shahid Khaqan Abbasi asked why the assembly’s proceedings lasted on an average for two hours only when the house could easily be asked to sit for four hours.
Weighing in on the issue, Mr Qamar asked Speaker Asad Qaiser to hold consultations with all the parties in the parliament regarding timings of the sessions.
Jamiat Ulema-i-Islam-F’s member Salahuddin Ayubi was of the opinion that JUI-F could be banned just as TLP had been.
During the debate, the opposition demanded that a committee be set up to deliberate on the objectives of establishing the TLP and who were behind the move.
Riaz Pirzada of the PML-N said the members of the assembly should be informed who had formed two banned organisations, the Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan and Sipah-i-Sahaba Pakistan. “First a genie is created that later becomes a headache for its creators,” he added.
On this, Minister of State for Parliamentary Affairs Muhammad Ali Khan said the government had not signed any agreement that the French ambassador should be removed. “We just assured the TLP that a resolution will be tabled in the parliament in this regard,” he said.
During talks with the government the TLP had insisted that the government should table a resolution of its (TLP’s) choice in the parliament, the minister added.
Published in Dawn, April 17th, 2021
The poor policeman has a huge bump over his right eye, I hope he was able to get medical attention. Timid people become ferocious when part of a mob.
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The Punjab government on Saturday placed Saad Rizvi, the chief of the banned party Tehreek-e-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP), on the fourth schedule of the Anti-Terrorism Act (ATA).
In a notification, Punjab's home department said his assets have been frozen, and his national identity card has been blocked — which means he cannot conduct transactions via banks, nor can he sell or purchase any property.
Similarly, the National Counter-Terrorism Authority, a day earlier, placed TLP on the proscribed organisations list.
Rizvi has to submit his original passport to the in-charge of the concerned police station.
After he submits his passport, he will have to obtain permission from the police station when he wishes to leave his residence — and provide details of any meetings he wishes to hold anywhere.
Earlier in the day, Prime Minister Imran Khan explained his government had taken action against the banned TLP because it challenged the writ of the state and used street violence, attacking the public and law enforcers.
In a series of tweets, the prime minister explained the state's rationale and the actions it took to control violence after hundreds of policemen were injured in clashes with workers of the religiopolitical party.
“Let me make clear to people here & abroad: Our govt only took action against TLP under our anti-terrorist law when they challenged the writ of the state and used street violence & attacking [sic] the public & law enforcers. No one can be above the law and the Constitution,” PM Imran Khan said in his first direct statement on the matter.
On Thursday, the federal government had declared the TLP a proscribed organisation under anti-terrorism laws and launched a broad crackdown against the party.
The action came after days of violent protests and traffic disruptions in the largest cities of Pakistan, which saw public and private property damaged by gangs of hooligans bearing sticks and turning on law enforcement officials at will.
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In a notification, Punjab's home department said his assets have been frozen, and his national identity card has been blocked — which means he cannot conduct transactions via banks, nor can he sell or purchase any property.
Similarly, the National Counter-Terrorism Authority, a day earlier, placed TLP on the proscribed organisations list.
Rizvi has to submit his original passport to the in-charge of the concerned police station.
After he submits his passport, he will have to obtain permission from the police station when he wishes to leave his residence — and provide details of any meetings he wishes to hold anywhere.
Earlier in the day, Prime Minister Imran Khan explained his government had taken action against the banned TLP because it challenged the writ of the state and used street violence, attacking the public and law enforcers.
In a series of tweets, the prime minister explained the state's rationale and the actions it took to control violence after hundreds of policemen were injured in clashes with workers of the religiopolitical party.
“Let me make clear to people here & abroad: Our govt only took action against TLP under our anti-terrorist law when they challenged the writ of the state and used street violence & attacking [sic] the public & law enforcers. No one can be above the law and the Constitution,” PM Imran Khan said in his first direct statement on the matter.
On Thursday, the federal government had declared the TLP a proscribed organisation under anti-terrorism laws and launched a broad crackdown against the party.
The action came after days of violent protests and traffic disruptions in the largest cities of Pakistan, which saw public and private property damaged by gangs of hooligans bearing sticks and turning on law enforcement officials at will.
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Sheikh Rasheed says govt is not negotiating with TLP
Federal Minister for Interior Sheikh Rasheed said Sunday the government was not negotiating with the outlawed Tehreek-e-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP).
"No negotiation process is underway with the TLP," said the minister.
Giving details of the proscribed organisation's blockage of roads and highways across the country, Rasheed said 192 locations across the country had been sealed by the banned outfit.
"The situation is a bit tense at Yateem Khana Chowk in Lahore where the Jamia Masjid Rahmatul Lil Alameen is located," he said. "Currently, all roads including the GT Road and the Murree Expressway are open [for traffic]," he said.
The minister said the GT Road and all main arteries of the country will remain open on April 20. The minister was referencing the date as the banned outfit had planned a protest on April 20 over the alleged non-fulfillment of their demands.
Speaking about the proscribed organisation, Rasheed said when an outfit is banned, the bank accounts and passports of its members are frozen by the government.
He spoke about estranged PTI leader Jahangir Tareen, saying that he was sure the sugar baron would not deflect from the PTI to any other political party.
The Punjab government had on Saturday placed Saad Rizvi, the chief of the banned party TLP, on the fourth schedule of the Anti-Terrorism Act (ATA).
In a notification, Punjab's home department had said his assets have been frozen, and his national identity card has been blocked — which means he cannot conduct transactions via banks, nor can he sell or purchase any property.
Similarly, the National Counter-Terrorism Authority, a day earlier, had placed TLP on the proscribed organisations list.
Rizvi has to submit his original passport to the in-charge of the concerned police station.
After he submits his passport, he will have to obtain permission from the police station when he wishes to leave his residence — and provide details of any meetings he wishes to hold anywhere.
On Thursday, the federal government had declared the TLP a proscribed organisation under anti-terrorism laws and launched a broad crackdown against the party.
The action came after days of violent protests and traffic disruptions in the largest cities of Pakistan, which saw public and private property damaged by gangs of hooligans bearing sticks and turning on law enforcement officials at will.
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Federal Minister for Interior Sheikh Rasheed said Sunday the government was not negotiating with the outlawed Tehreek-e-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP).
"No negotiation process is underway with the TLP," said the minister.
Giving details of the proscribed organisation's blockage of roads and highways across the country, Rasheed said 192 locations across the country had been sealed by the banned outfit.
"The situation is a bit tense at Yateem Khana Chowk in Lahore where the Jamia Masjid Rahmatul Lil Alameen is located," he said. "Currently, all roads including the GT Road and the Murree Expressway are open [for traffic]," he said.
The minister said the GT Road and all main arteries of the country will remain open on April 20. The minister was referencing the date as the banned outfit had planned a protest on April 20 over the alleged non-fulfillment of their demands.
Speaking about the proscribed organisation, Rasheed said when an outfit is banned, the bank accounts and passports of its members are frozen by the government.
He spoke about estranged PTI leader Jahangir Tareen, saying that he was sure the sugar baron would not deflect from the PTI to any other political party.
The Punjab government had on Saturday placed Saad Rizvi, the chief of the banned party TLP, on the fourth schedule of the Anti-Terrorism Act (ATA).
In a notification, Punjab's home department had said his assets have been frozen, and his national identity card has been blocked — which means he cannot conduct transactions via banks, nor can he sell or purchase any property.
Similarly, the National Counter-Terrorism Authority, a day earlier, had placed TLP on the proscribed organisations list.
Rizvi has to submit his original passport to the in-charge of the concerned police station.
After he submits his passport, he will have to obtain permission from the police station when he wishes to leave his residence — and provide details of any meetings he wishes to hold anywhere.
On Thursday, the federal government had declared the TLP a proscribed organisation under anti-terrorism laws and launched a broad crackdown against the party.
The action came after days of violent protests and traffic disruptions in the largest cities of Pakistan, which saw public and private property damaged by gangs of hooligans bearing sticks and turning on law enforcement officials at will.
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In a newly surfaced letter, purportedly written by the chief of the banned Tehreek-e-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP), Saad Rizvi has called for an end to the ongoing protest outside the outfit's Masjid Rehmatulil Alameen headquarters.
"The sit-in outside Masjid Rehmatulil Alameen must immediately come to an end," Rizvi wrote, in a note addressed to the shura arkaan (council members), dated April 17, a copy of which Geo.tv has seen.
"The workers must return peacefully to their homes," Rizvi said.
He added that the council members must surrender themselves to the law as "owing to their stubbornness, hundreds of workers, as well as the general public, have been suffering".
The TLP chief said that the call for a protest on April 20 must be taken back.
TLP naib emir Syed Zaheerul Hassan Shah was tasked by Rizvi to expedite the implementation of his directives.
The April 17 letter follows one purportedly written by Rizvi on April 15, which was shared by Special Assistant to Prime Minister Imran Khan on Political Communication Shahbaz Gill on Twitter.
Rizvi had also then asked his followers to "immediately end all protests and road blockages".
"I, Hafiz Saad Rizvi, son of (late) Khadim Hussain Rizvi, with complete clarity of mind, and without any force, appeal to all the central leadership and workers of the Tehreek-e-Labbaik that in the interest of the nation and the public good, please do not take any illegal steps.
"All protest rallies and road blockages must immediately be brought to an end. All workers must disperse peacefully and head on to their respective homes and fully cooperate with law enforcement agencies," read Rizvi's letter.
He had also specifically called upon the protesters to end the protest outside the Masjid Rehmatul Lil Alameen.
Rizvi's arrest and TLP's blacklisting
Saad Rizvi was taken into police custody on April 12 as a pre-emptive measure ahead of TLP's protest intended for April 20.
On April 15, after a three-day long nationwide protest by TLP, which left at least six dead and hundreds injured, it was declared a proscribed organisation.
According to the notification by the Ministry of Interior: "The federal government has reasonable grounds to believe that Tehreek Labbaik Pakistan is engaged in terrorism, acted in a manner prejudicial to the peace and security of the country, involved in creating anarchy in the country by intimidating the public, caused grievous bodily harm, hurt and death to the personnel of Law Enforcement Agencies and innocent by-standers, attacked civilians and officials, created wide-scale hurdles, threatened, abused and promoted hatred, vandalised and ransacked public and government properties including vehicles and caused arson, blocked essential health supplies to hospitals, and has used, threatened, coerced, intimidated, and overawed the government [and] the public and created sense of fear and insecurity in the society and the public at large."
"Now, therefore, in exercise of the powers conferred by Section 11B(1) of the Anti-Terrorism Act, 1997, the Federal Government is pleased to list Tehreek Labbaik Pakistan in the First Schedule to the said Act as a proscribed organisation for the purposes of the said Act," the notification added.
Rizvi placed on Fourth Schedule
On Saturday, the Punjab government placed Rizvi on the Fourth Schedule of the Anti-Terrorism Act (ATA).
In a notification, Punjab's home department said his assets have been frozen, and his national identity card has been blocked — which means he cannot conduct transactions via banks, nor can he sell or purchase any property.
Rizvi was also asked to submit his original passport to the in-charge of the police station tasked with the care of the jurisdiction where his residence falls.
The names of all Fourth Schedulers are referred to the local police and law-enforcement agencies for effective monitoring. If a Fourth Scheduler wants to move somewhere, he has to inform the nearby police station.
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"The sit-in outside Masjid Rehmatulil Alameen must immediately come to an end," Rizvi wrote, in a note addressed to the shura arkaan (council members), dated April 17, a copy of which Geo.tv has seen.
"The workers must return peacefully to their homes," Rizvi said.
He added that the council members must surrender themselves to the law as "owing to their stubbornness, hundreds of workers, as well as the general public, have been suffering".
The TLP chief said that the call for a protest on April 20 must be taken back.
TLP naib emir Syed Zaheerul Hassan Shah was tasked by Rizvi to expedite the implementation of his directives.
The April 17 letter follows one purportedly written by Rizvi on April 15, which was shared by Special Assistant to Prime Minister Imran Khan on Political Communication Shahbaz Gill on Twitter.
Rizvi had also then asked his followers to "immediately end all protests and road blockages".
"I, Hafiz Saad Rizvi, son of (late) Khadim Hussain Rizvi, with complete clarity of mind, and without any force, appeal to all the central leadership and workers of the Tehreek-e-Labbaik that in the interest of the nation and the public good, please do not take any illegal steps.
"All protest rallies and road blockages must immediately be brought to an end. All workers must disperse peacefully and head on to their respective homes and fully cooperate with law enforcement agencies," read Rizvi's letter.
He had also specifically called upon the protesters to end the protest outside the Masjid Rehmatul Lil Alameen.
Rizvi's arrest and TLP's blacklisting
Saad Rizvi was taken into police custody on April 12 as a pre-emptive measure ahead of TLP's protest intended for April 20.
On April 15, after a three-day long nationwide protest by TLP, which left at least six dead and hundreds injured, it was declared a proscribed organisation.
According to the notification by the Ministry of Interior: "The federal government has reasonable grounds to believe that Tehreek Labbaik Pakistan is engaged in terrorism, acted in a manner prejudicial to the peace and security of the country, involved in creating anarchy in the country by intimidating the public, caused grievous bodily harm, hurt and death to the personnel of Law Enforcement Agencies and innocent by-standers, attacked civilians and officials, created wide-scale hurdles, threatened, abused and promoted hatred, vandalised and ransacked public and government properties including vehicles and caused arson, blocked essential health supplies to hospitals, and has used, threatened, coerced, intimidated, and overawed the government [and] the public and created sense of fear and insecurity in the society and the public at large."
"Now, therefore, in exercise of the powers conferred by Section 11B(1) of the Anti-Terrorism Act, 1997, the Federal Government is pleased to list Tehreek Labbaik Pakistan in the First Schedule to the said Act as a proscribed organisation for the purposes of the said Act," the notification added.
Rizvi placed on Fourth Schedule
On Saturday, the Punjab government placed Rizvi on the Fourth Schedule of the Anti-Terrorism Act (ATA).
In a notification, Punjab's home department said his assets have been frozen, and his national identity card has been blocked — which means he cannot conduct transactions via banks, nor can he sell or purchase any property.
Rizvi was also asked to submit his original passport to the in-charge of the police station tasked with the care of the jurisdiction where his residence falls.
The names of all Fourth Schedulers are referred to the local police and law-enforcement agencies for effective monitoring. If a Fourth Scheduler wants to move somewhere, he has to inform the nearby police station.
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Some religious, political parties have misused Islam: PM Imran
'Such acts do not affect others, but only damage Pakistan as a result'
Prime Minister Imran Khan on Monday said it is unfortunate that some religious and political parties have misused Islam.
"Unfortunately in our country, some religious and political parties misuse Islam at times. And they misuse it in such a manner that they damage their own country," said the premier as he attended the ground-breaking ceremony of Islamabad-Margalla Highway.
He regretted that such acts do not affect others, but only damage Pakistan as a result.
The premier said the country was built in the name of Islam, however, he said, such actions “result in adverse effects on the country and end up harming the people”.
The PM was referring to the recent demonstrations that quickly turned violent by the now proscribed Tehreek-e-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP).
“This is especially sad because I haven’t seen the kind of affection people have for Islam and our Holy Prophet (PBUH) here when compared to other places,” he lamented.
“Do we [the government] not get hurt when someone disrespects our Holy Prophet (PBUH)?” the prime minister asked.
PM Imran added that there is no way to determine who loves the Prophet (PBUH), but misusing the sentiment in such a manner will not benefit Islam.
“Today I am making a promise to the people, we will campaign against such actions on the international forum so that nobody, even in the Western countries, will dare disrespect our beloved Holy Prophet (PBUH),” the premier stated.
“There is no point of demonstrating, vandalising and destroying public property in our country. We are not hurting the country where the crime takes places, we are hurting our own country," the prime minister reiterated.
“We need to unite all heads of states of other Muslim countries and present our case in front of the United Nations and the European Union.”
He said such measure will bring about change in the west as well.
"Through my campaigning, we will resolve this issue."
Earlier today, the interior minister announced that after a successful round of negotiation with TLP, the proscribed outfit had released 11 policemen taken hostage from Lahore a day earlier.
A deputy superintendent of police along with 10 other policemen was apparently taken hostage and tortured by workers of TLP in Lahore on Sunday.
According to the Punjab Police, the incident happened after workers belonging to the TLP attacked the Nawankot police station early in the morning.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2295563/some-religious-political-parties-have-misused-islam-pm-imran
'Such acts do not affect others, but only damage Pakistan as a result'
Prime Minister Imran Khan on Monday said it is unfortunate that some religious and political parties have misused Islam.
"Unfortunately in our country, some religious and political parties misuse Islam at times. And they misuse it in such a manner that they damage their own country," said the premier as he attended the ground-breaking ceremony of Islamabad-Margalla Highway.
He regretted that such acts do not affect others, but only damage Pakistan as a result.
The premier said the country was built in the name of Islam, however, he said, such actions “result in adverse effects on the country and end up harming the people”.
The PM was referring to the recent demonstrations that quickly turned violent by the now proscribed Tehreek-e-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP).
“This is especially sad because I haven’t seen the kind of affection people have for Islam and our Holy Prophet (PBUH) here when compared to other places,” he lamented.
“Do we [the government] not get hurt when someone disrespects our Holy Prophet (PBUH)?” the prime minister asked.
PM Imran added that there is no way to determine who loves the Prophet (PBUH), but misusing the sentiment in such a manner will not benefit Islam.
“Today I am making a promise to the people, we will campaign against such actions on the international forum so that nobody, even in the Western countries, will dare disrespect our beloved Holy Prophet (PBUH),” the premier stated.
“There is no point of demonstrating, vandalising and destroying public property in our country. We are not hurting the country where the crime takes places, we are hurting our own country," the prime minister reiterated.
“We need to unite all heads of states of other Muslim countries and present our case in front of the United Nations and the European Union.”
He said such measure will bring about change in the west as well.
"Through my campaigning, we will resolve this issue."
Earlier today, the interior minister announced that after a successful round of negotiation with TLP, the proscribed outfit had released 11 policemen taken hostage from Lahore a day earlier.
A deputy superintendent of police along with 10 other policemen was apparently taken hostage and tortured by workers of TLP in Lahore on Sunday.
According to the Punjab Police, the incident happened after workers belonging to the TLP attacked the Nawankot police station early in the morning.
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ISLAMABAD:
Interior Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed announced in the wee hours of Tuesday that after a successful round of negotiations, Tehreek-e-Labaik Pakistan has agreed to end its protest across the country after the government tables a resolution regarding expulsion of the French ambassador in the National Assembly today.
“After detailed discussions with TLP it has been agreed that the government will table the resolution in the National Assembly today,” he said in a video message.
Rashid further said that according to the agreement, TLP will end its protests across the country including Jamia Masjid Rehmatul-lil-Alamin.
“Cases registered against TLP supporters under fourth schedule will also be dismissed and further rounds of talks will take place,” the minister added.
Rashid said that he will give a detailed statement on the agreement in a press conference later in the day.
Earlier, it was reported that a deadlock between the government and the recently proscribed TLP over the ongoing protests across the country continued, as the banned party demanded the resignation of Interior Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed, expulsion of French ambassador to Pakistan, and immediate release of party chief Syed Saad Hussain Rizvi as well as the workers.
During the third round of talks between the banned party’s senior leaders and the government delegation late Monday night, deliberations once again halted as the government had refused to accept their demand of interior minister’s resignation and expulsion of the French ambassador.
Interior Minister Sheikh Rashid, Minister for Religious Affairs Noorul Haq Qadri, Punjab Governor Chaudhry Sarwar, Punjab Law Minister Raja Basharat and senior officials of the law enforcement agencies (LEAs) participated in the negotiations with the proscribed party’s leaders.
TLP, yesterday, released all abducted officials of law enforcement agencies (LEA) following two rounds of talks among central leadership of the banned outfit and the government party.
The first round of talks between the Punjab government and senior leaders of the banned party was held on Sunday after a day-long clashes between TLP workers and LEA officials. However, the second round of talks concluded earlier on Monday, in which Punjab Governor Chaudhry Sarwar and provincial Law Minister Raja Basharat represented the government, Federal Minister for Information and Broadcasting Fawad Chaudhry highlighted.
Meanwhile, a government delegation called on Hafiz Saad Rizvi of the banned Tehreek-e-Labbaik Pakistan at Kot Lakhpat Jail in a bid to convince him to call off the countrywide protests.
The delegation was led by Punjab Quran Board Chairman Sahibzada Hamid Raza and comprising Milli Yakjehti Council President Dr Abulkhair Muhammad Zubair, Khawaja Ghulam Qutbuddin, Pir Mian Abdul Khaliq, Sarwat Ijaz Qadri, Pir Khalid Sultan, Jalil Sharqpuri, Pir Nizamuddin Sialvi, Hamid Raza Sialkoti and others.
Negotiations began at 3pm and continued until 9:30pm.
The Ulema appealed to Rizvi to agree to end the sit-ins and protests across the country.
Sources said that Rizvi has given a positive signal and put some demands before the Ulema. The demands include deportation of French ambassador, release of arrested leaders and activists, end of cases and steps to prevent blasphemy globally.
Interior Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed announced in the wee hours of Tuesday that after a successful round of negotiations, Tehreek-e-Labaik Pakistan has agreed to end its protest across the country after the government tables a resolution regarding expulsion of the French ambassador in the National Assembly today.
“After detailed discussions with TLP it has been agreed that the government will table the resolution in the National Assembly today,” he said in a video message.
Rashid further said that according to the agreement, TLP will end its protests across the country including Jamia Masjid Rehmatul-lil-Alamin.
“Cases registered against TLP supporters under fourth schedule will also be dismissed and further rounds of talks will take place,” the minister added.
Rashid said that he will give a detailed statement on the agreement in a press conference later in the day.
Earlier, it was reported that a deadlock between the government and the recently proscribed TLP over the ongoing protests across the country continued, as the banned party demanded the resignation of Interior Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed, expulsion of French ambassador to Pakistan, and immediate release of party chief Syed Saad Hussain Rizvi as well as the workers.
During the third round of talks between the banned party’s senior leaders and the government delegation late Monday night, deliberations once again halted as the government had refused to accept their demand of interior minister’s resignation and expulsion of the French ambassador.
Interior Minister Sheikh Rashid, Minister for Religious Affairs Noorul Haq Qadri, Punjab Governor Chaudhry Sarwar, Punjab Law Minister Raja Basharat and senior officials of the law enforcement agencies (LEAs) participated in the negotiations with the proscribed party’s leaders.
TLP, yesterday, released all abducted officials of law enforcement agencies (LEA) following two rounds of talks among central leadership of the banned outfit and the government party.
The first round of talks between the Punjab government and senior leaders of the banned party was held on Sunday after a day-long clashes between TLP workers and LEA officials. However, the second round of talks concluded earlier on Monday, in which Punjab Governor Chaudhry Sarwar and provincial Law Minister Raja Basharat represented the government, Federal Minister for Information and Broadcasting Fawad Chaudhry highlighted.
Meanwhile, a government delegation called on Hafiz Saad Rizvi of the banned Tehreek-e-Labbaik Pakistan at Kot Lakhpat Jail in a bid to convince him to call off the countrywide protests.
The delegation was led by Punjab Quran Board Chairman Sahibzada Hamid Raza and comprising Milli Yakjehti Council President Dr Abulkhair Muhammad Zubair, Khawaja Ghulam Qutbuddin, Pir Mian Abdul Khaliq, Sarwat Ijaz Qadri, Pir Khalid Sultan, Jalil Sharqpuri, Pir Nizamuddin Sialvi, Hamid Raza Sialkoti and others.
Negotiations began at 3pm and continued until 9:30pm.
The Ulema appealed to Rizvi to agree to end the sit-ins and protests across the country.
Sources said that Rizvi has given a positive signal and put some demands before the Ulema. The demands include deportation of French ambassador, release of arrested leaders and activists, end of cases and steps to prevent blasphemy globally.
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ISLAMABAD: If the government had to hold negotiations with TLP, then why was it banned, PML-N leader Shahid Khaqan Abbasi questioned in a media talk in Islamabad on Tuesday.
He said the facts of what happened in Lahore have still not come to light.
"These processes do not happen in a democracy," he said.
The PML-N leader said it was not known what promises were made by the government [to TLP].
Abbasi said the National Assembly was suddenly adjourned for two days. "If the Prime Minister had the courage, he would have addressed the Parliament. There are containers in the capital, what is the fear?" he asked.
Abbasi's statement comes shortly after Interior Minister Sheikh Rashid on Tuesday said that the government will present a resolution in the National Assembly seeking expulsion of the French envoy and withdraw cases against members of banned TLP.
A government delegation, comprising the interior minister, Minister for Religious Affairs Dr Noorul Haq Qadri, SAPM Tahir Ashrafi, Governor Punjab Mohammad Sarwar and Punjab Law Minister Raja Basharat, held talks with members of the proscribed group in Lahore.
The interior minister, in a video statement, said the protests across Pakistan, including the one outside the headquarters of the religiopolitical group, will end.
Every Pakistani is asking why there is chaos in the country, Abbasi said in his media talk.
The protesters, he said, are saying that it was the expulsion of the French ambassador was promised. "But who made this promise?" Abbasi asked, adding that the one who is responsible is not ready to accept responsibility.
Prime Minister Imran Khan himself is saying that he is responsible and is working [t resolve the issues], the former PM said.
He said that the facts of what happened in Faizabad are very bitter and lessons should be learnt from it.
The only way to make the facts public is through the 'truth commission', Abbasi said.
In a reference to frequent cabinet reshuffles by the premier, Abbasi commented that moving ministers back and forth would not solve matters.
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He said the facts of what happened in Lahore have still not come to light.
"These processes do not happen in a democracy," he said.
The PML-N leader said it was not known what promises were made by the government [to TLP].
Abbasi said the National Assembly was suddenly adjourned for two days. "If the Prime Minister had the courage, he would have addressed the Parliament. There are containers in the capital, what is the fear?" he asked.
Abbasi's statement comes shortly after Interior Minister Sheikh Rashid on Tuesday said that the government will present a resolution in the National Assembly seeking expulsion of the French envoy and withdraw cases against members of banned TLP.
A government delegation, comprising the interior minister, Minister for Religious Affairs Dr Noorul Haq Qadri, SAPM Tahir Ashrafi, Governor Punjab Mohammad Sarwar and Punjab Law Minister Raja Basharat, held talks with members of the proscribed group in Lahore.
The interior minister, in a video statement, said the protests across Pakistan, including the one outside the headquarters of the religiopolitical group, will end.
Every Pakistani is asking why there is chaos in the country, Abbasi said in his media talk.
The protesters, he said, are saying that it was the expulsion of the French ambassador was promised. "But who made this promise?" Abbasi asked, adding that the one who is responsible is not ready to accept responsibility.
Prime Minister Imran Khan himself is saying that he is responsible and is working [t resolve the issues], the former PM said.
He said that the facts of what happened in Faizabad are very bitter and lessons should be learnt from it.
The only way to make the facts public is through the 'truth commission', Abbasi said.
In a reference to frequent cabinet reshuffles by the premier, Abbasi commented that moving ministers back and forth would not solve matters.
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Imran Khan has taken a u-turn
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Over 100 TLP clerics' names added to Punjab's fourth schedule list
Over 100 clerics from the banned Tehreek-e-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP) have been placed on fourth schedule list by the Punjab home department, The News reported Tuesday.
The publication attributed the news to a top official of the home department, saying the official confirmed that the decision was taken on the recommendation of district intelligence committees.
The clerics have been placed on the fourth schedule under the Anti-Terrorism Act (ATA) 1997.
The assets of the clerics will be investigated by the counter-terrorism department.
The home department has written to all DCs to freeze all properties owned by the TLP. “After this letter, the TLP will not be able to sell properties, including seminaries, agriculture land, etc,” said the official.
“Sealing of offices of the banned TLP will be decided by the Ministry of Interior,” said the official.
Sources claimed their assets have been frozen and national identity cards and bank accounts blocked. Their names will also be added to the Exit Control List (ECL) by the interior ministry.
The fourth schedule is a list suspects of terrorism and sectarianism are placed under the ATA. The list is referred to the police and other law enforcers for effective monitoring. If a fourth scheduler wants to move somewhere, they have to inform their nearby police station.
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Over 100 clerics from the banned Tehreek-e-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP) have been placed on fourth schedule list by the Punjab home department, The News reported Tuesday.
The publication attributed the news to a top official of the home department, saying the official confirmed that the decision was taken on the recommendation of district intelligence committees.
The clerics have been placed on the fourth schedule under the Anti-Terrorism Act (ATA) 1997.
The assets of the clerics will be investigated by the counter-terrorism department.
The home department has written to all DCs to freeze all properties owned by the TLP. “After this letter, the TLP will not be able to sell properties, including seminaries, agriculture land, etc,” said the official.
“Sealing of offices of the banned TLP will be decided by the Ministry of Interior,” said the official.
Sources claimed their assets have been frozen and national identity cards and bank accounts blocked. Their names will also be added to the Exit Control List (ECL) by the interior ministry.
The fourth schedule is a list suspects of terrorism and sectarianism are placed under the ATA. The list is referred to the police and other law enforcers for effective monitoring. If a fourth scheduler wants to move somewhere, they have to inform their nearby police station.
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Imran Khan has taken a u-turn
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As expected, U-Turn by the U-turn Khan. This was expected by this PM
Well wait and see.
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The chief of the now proscribed Tehreek-e-Labbaik Pakistan, Saad Rizvi, was reportedly released from custody on Tuesday.
A party spokesperson has confirmed the release if Rizvi. However, the government has not yet confirmed the development.
Earlier today, Interior Minister Sheikh Rashid announced that after a successful round of negotiations, the TLP has agreed to end its protest across the country after the government agreed to table a resolution regarding the expulsion of the French ambassador in the National Assembly today.
“After detailed discussions with TLP it has been agreed that the government will table the resolution in the National Assembly today,” said the interior minister in a video message.
Rashid further said that according to the agreement, TLP will end its protests across the country including at Jamia Masjid Rehmatul-lil-Alamin.
“Cases registered against TLP supporters under the fourth schedule will also be dismissed and further rounds of talks will take place,” the minister had added.
Earlier, it was reported that the deadlock between the government and the ultra right-wing TLP continued as the party demanded the resignation of the interior minister, the expulsion of the French ambassador to Pakistan, and the immediate release of party chief Syed Saad Hussain Rizvi as well as the workers.
During the third round of talks between the banned party’s senior leaders and the government delegation late Monday night, deliberations once again halted as the government had refused to accept their demand of the interior minister’s resignation and expulsion of the French ambassador.
Interior Minister Sheikh Rashid, Minister for Religious Affairs Noorul Haq Qadri, Punjab Governor Chaudhry Sarwar, Punjab Law Minister Raja Basharat and senior officials of the law enforcement agencies (LEAs) participated in the negotiations with the proscribed party’s leaders.
TLP, yesterday, released all abducted officials of law enforcement agencies (LEA) following two rounds of talks among central leadership of the banned outfit and the government party.
The party had staged violent protests for three straight days across the country over the arrest of their leader.
Armed with sticks, canes and in some instances guns, they went on a rampage, causing loss of life and damaging properties worth millions of rupees.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2295790/tlp-chief-saad-rizvi-reportedly-released-from-custody
A party spokesperson has confirmed the release if Rizvi. However, the government has not yet confirmed the development.
Earlier today, Interior Minister Sheikh Rashid announced that after a successful round of negotiations, the TLP has agreed to end its protest across the country after the government agreed to table a resolution regarding the expulsion of the French ambassador in the National Assembly today.
“After detailed discussions with TLP it has been agreed that the government will table the resolution in the National Assembly today,” said the interior minister in a video message.
Rashid further said that according to the agreement, TLP will end its protests across the country including at Jamia Masjid Rehmatul-lil-Alamin.
“Cases registered against TLP supporters under the fourth schedule will also be dismissed and further rounds of talks will take place,” the minister had added.
Earlier, it was reported that the deadlock between the government and the ultra right-wing TLP continued as the party demanded the resignation of the interior minister, the expulsion of the French ambassador to Pakistan, and the immediate release of party chief Syed Saad Hussain Rizvi as well as the workers.
During the third round of talks between the banned party’s senior leaders and the government delegation late Monday night, deliberations once again halted as the government had refused to accept their demand of the interior minister’s resignation and expulsion of the French ambassador.
Interior Minister Sheikh Rashid, Minister for Religious Affairs Noorul Haq Qadri, Punjab Governor Chaudhry Sarwar, Punjab Law Minister Raja Basharat and senior officials of the law enforcement agencies (LEAs) participated in the negotiations with the proscribed party’s leaders.
TLP, yesterday, released all abducted officials of law enforcement agencies (LEA) following two rounds of talks among central leadership of the banned outfit and the government party.
The party had staged violent protests for three straight days across the country over the arrest of their leader.
Armed with sticks, canes and in some instances guns, they went on a rampage, causing loss of life and damaging properties worth millions of rupees.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2295790/tlp-chief-saad-rizvi-reportedly-released-from-custody
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Now you read the abovez the statement by the interior minister.
So yes, another u-turn, this is waht we should priase the pm for?
Funnt how our pm is under thw army and now he is also under tlp. Out of all the psrties a terrorost organization like TLP dictates to our PM
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The problem with the likes of you is that you want mayhem to prove a point and we have seen the same people that want them to be hammered are the same ones that end up on the streets to cause the mayhem. The TLP has been banned and if that was reversed then you can say IK has backed down. We cannot afford civil war on our streets, we have too many enemies waiting to take advantage.
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A resolution was tabled in the National Assembly (NA) on Tuesday for the deportation of the French ambassador from Pakistan over the issue of blasphemous caricatures being published in the European country and the subsequent remarks by French President Emmanuel Macron.
NA Speaker Asad Qaiser presided over the session during which MNA Amjad Ali Khan presented the resolution. It stated that blasphemous sketches were published by a French magazine, and then the French president's remarks hurt the sentiments of hundreds of millions of Muslims in the name of freedom of expression.
"The House condemns the publication of insulting sketches by the controversial French magazine Charlie Hebdo and Muslims around the world had also expressed outrage at the publication of the sketches," the resolution added.
The resolutions also asked for a debate over the issue of deporting the French ambassador and also proposed to provide spaces in different parts of the country for protests on religious issues.
It added that instead of blocking roads, specific places for protests should be identified.
“All Muslim countries should be consulted on the issue and all European countries in general and France, in particular, should be made aware of the seriousness of the issue,” the resolution further added.
Minister for Parliamentary Affairs Ali Muhammad Khan also moved a motion to form a parliamentary committee on the issue.
The house was then adjourned till Friday, April 23
NA Speaker Asad Qaiser presided over the session during which MNA Amjad Ali Khan presented the resolution. It stated that blasphemous sketches were published by a French magazine, and then the French president's remarks hurt the sentiments of hundreds of millions of Muslims in the name of freedom of expression.
"The House condemns the publication of insulting sketches by the controversial French magazine Charlie Hebdo and Muslims around the world had also expressed outrage at the publication of the sketches," the resolution added.
The resolutions also asked for a debate over the issue of deporting the French ambassador and also proposed to provide spaces in different parts of the country for protests on religious issues.
It added that instead of blocking roads, specific places for protests should be identified.
“All Muslim countries should be consulted on the issue and all European countries in general and France, in particular, should be made aware of the seriousness of the issue,” the resolution further added.
Minister for Parliamentary Affairs Ali Muhammad Khan also moved a motion to form a parliamentary committee on the issue.
The house was then adjourned till Friday, April 23
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Hahaha, what a blind supporter you are.
In the start of the thread you bash people for not praissing gutless pm for taking the action against tlp.
Now when he does a u turn you come up with the civil war theory.
Like before tlp were just gonna bow down righr?
Next time, dont ask people to praise the PM forevry step he takes as at the end he will take a u turn
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You know we can scoff at India all we want for electing a far-right Hindu nationalist government, but it won't be so funny a few years from now when TLP wins two-thirds majority in the parliament and turns Pakistan into an Islamic Emirate.
And that is where this whole thing is heading, mind you. And if there is anyone on whom the bulk of the blame will fall for that; its PTI. Because they had the chance to use force and put them in their place, but they didn't. They backed off, not once but multiple times. That's gutless leadership and it will come back to haunt us.
And that is where this whole thing is heading, mind you. And if there is anyone on whom the bulk of the blame will fall for that; its PTI. Because they had the chance to use force and put them in their place, but they didn't. They backed off, not once but multiple times. That's gutless leadership and it will come back to haunt us.
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This nonsense is going to set us back decades. PTI has made a collosal mess of the situation and the optics are going to get worse. From banning TLP to releasing it's leader and dropping charges against the so called terrorists, all in about 48 hours.
This woman is showing more spine than Imran Khan. Standing up against oppressors.
Goes to show that you cannot go easy on Islamic radicals. Your leniency will be perceived as a weakness. They will exploit it to the maximum.
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Give yourself a break.
After mufti munib got involved it was always difficult for government to carry on using force. Almost all of Ahlus Sunnah look upto this person for guidance.
Which Pakistan are you lot talking about, the Pakistan which was standstill for a day in support of TLP!?
Say all you want, TLP are Ahlus Sunnah, and a sunni is never terrorist, someone who utters Ya RasoolAllah is free from this disease.
After mufti munib got involved it was always difficult for government to carry on using force. Almost all of Ahlus Sunnah look upto this person for guidance.
Which Pakistan are you lot talking about, the Pakistan which was standstill for a day in support of TLP!?
Say all you want, TLP are Ahlus Sunnah, and a sunni is never terrorist, someone who utters Ya RasoolAllah is free from this disease.
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bro it hard to understand people in Pakistan. Same group was a great group back in 2018 when they did dharna in Faza abad. now in 2021 they just became terrorist all of sudden.
2018 they used them now once the mission is completed, they try to discard them.
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they are calling them terrorist yet they realized them from jail. How can you realized a terrorist from the jail? Now they are bringing the bill into national assembly.
they are calling them terrorist yet they realized them from jail. How can you realized a terrorist from the jail? Now they are bringing the bill into national assembly.
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The so called Hindu Nationalist government in India only has had a problem with China and Pakistan. It’s not like relationships were great before 2014 with those countries. May be relationship with China has deteriorated from before. That’s about it.
The diplomatic relations with other major countries like US,UK, Israel, Russia and other European countries as well as most middle eastern Islamic countries has only gone up from strength to strength. 2 Arab countries have even given Modi highest honors Lol.
Stop drawing an equivalence for the sake of it.
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The Hindu Nationalist Government along with a lot of its followers has a problem with minorities, especially Muslims.
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LOL there is no equivalence to draw. Because Pakistan has never elected a far-right religious party to power. Atleast not yet. And there is nothing so called. BJP is a Hindu Nationalist party that sees India as a Hindu Rashtra, rather than a secular republic as envisioned by India's founding fathers. I didn't come up with the ideology; Golwalker and Savarkar did. And if you're really as unaware of the domestic policies of your Hindu nationalist government as you claim to be; and how they impact minorities than you should read more news.
Foreign countries couldn't care less about who runs India, Pakistan or any other country for that matter. Do you think Pakistan's diplomatic relations with China would deteriorate if the country was being run by religious clerics?
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Imran Khan is right wing too. He invokes deen, Islam, prophet PBUH in everything he says. In Europe, Imran would be considered far right.
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No intention of lifting ban on TLP, declares PM
ISLAMABAD/ LAHORE: Prime Minister Imran Khan on Tuesday made it clear that the government had no intention of lifting a ban on the Tehreek-i-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP), hours after the banned outfit called off its protests following the signing of an agreement with the government on submission of a resolution to the National Assembly about expulsion of the French ambassador.
The prime minister said the TLP would have to approach the court of law for lifting of the ban imposed by the government last week when the banned outfit staged countrywide violent demonstrations demanding eviction of the French ambassador over blasphemous caricatures.
PM Khan took the decision while presiding over a meeting of the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) parliamentary party, soon after the government claimed that it had “successful rounds of dialogue” with the TLP.
A source, who was present in the meeting, told Dawn that the prime minister was of the view that if Pakistan expelled the French ambassador, there might be a strong reaction from the European Union (EU) and Pakistan’s 27 ambassadors in western countries could be repatriated.
The prime minister said every Muslim loved Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and could not bear his disrespect, but the way of condemnation by the government was quite different from that of the TLP. Mr Khan was quoted as saying: “No one can claim that he loves Prophet Muhammad more than anyone else.”
The prime minister said the western countries would not come under any pressure unless the whole Muslim ummah jointly condemned the act of blasphemy and made the West realise that it was not the issue of “freedom of speech” but harming the sentiments of billions of Muslims around the world. He said he would lead a campaign in which the heads of all Muslim states would jointly force the West to stop blasphemy of the Prophet.
Another participant said the meeting had agreed that the government would not lift ban on the TLP and the latter would have to file an appeal in a court to get the ban lifted.
“We cannot lift the ban now as it is a legal matter,” a minister, who did not want to be named, said when reminded that the ban was imposed by the interior ministry, and not by any court of law. He said the prime minister feared that if the French ambassador was sent back, the future of millions of Pakistani workers in the West would be on stake. “Similarly, our trade with the West and European states will be severed.”
A participant of the meeting said the TLP was called a banned outfit throughout the meeting. “We called them kaladam (proscribed),” she added.
TLP calls off protest
Earlier, declaring the submission of the resolution to the National Assembly as historic victory for the TLP, the central shura of the banned outfit called off its protest movement and ended sit-in at its headquarters in Lahore, clearing the venue and the city after eight days of violence and blockades.
In a video statement, the shura members said that since the resolution had been presented in the National Assembly, they were winding up their protest camps. They appealed to their workers to stay peaceful and ignore [social media] rumours.
“The TLP leadership is in negotiations with the government and progress is being made on all the issues,” the statement said, adding that it was time for peace and workers should stay peaceful.
After the announcement, the TLP workers started returning home, clearing Multan Road — one of the main arteries of the city — after eight days of blockade.
In the morning, Interior Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed announced that the proscribed TLP had agreed to call off protests across the country. “Talks with the TLP [on other than already agreed] are going on,” he said in a video statement after the agreement.
As per the agreement, he said, the government would present a resolution on expulsion of the French ambassador in the National Assembly and the assembly session had been convened. The cases registered against TLP workers under the Fourth Schedule would also be withdrawn, he said, adding that he would hold a press conference on the matter.
No written agreement, however, was shared with the media nor made public by the either side. By the evening, execution of the agreement [withdrawal of cases under Fourth Schedule] generated some doubts when neither TLP chief Saad Hussain Rizvi nor any of his colleagues were released. The prison department official said in the afternoon they were told to make necessary arrangements for the release of Saad Rizvi, but no “written word” followed.
A high-up of the home department told Dawn that they had “neither received any instructions on his [Saad Rizvi] release nor on over 3,000 TLP workers held in different districts of the province”.
About the potential release of TLP leaders and workers, he said: “Some of them are held under the Maintenance of Public Order (MPO) section that jails the culprit for 30 days. Others were charged with and held on terrorism charges and FIRs were lodged against them. Releasing them would require a lengthy legal process that may take days, if not weeks, and when the process starts. There are, however, no official instructions so far to even start the process.”
Late in evening, Minister for Information Fawad Chaudhry said the government could release the people held under the MPO because it was entitled to do so. “But how can those booked under murder charges and terrorism be released by the government? They need legal proceedings and only court can do so.”
The minister insisted that the current status of the TLP was of a banned organisation and it had to face all those conditions that a proscribed party faced.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1619451/no-intention-of-lifting-ban-on-tlp-declares-pm
ISLAMABAD/ LAHORE: Prime Minister Imran Khan on Tuesday made it clear that the government had no intention of lifting a ban on the Tehreek-i-Labbaik Pakistan (TLP), hours after the banned outfit called off its protests following the signing of an agreement with the government on submission of a resolution to the National Assembly about expulsion of the French ambassador.
The prime minister said the TLP would have to approach the court of law for lifting of the ban imposed by the government last week when the banned outfit staged countrywide violent demonstrations demanding eviction of the French ambassador over blasphemous caricatures.
PM Khan took the decision while presiding over a meeting of the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) parliamentary party, soon after the government claimed that it had “successful rounds of dialogue” with the TLP.
A source, who was present in the meeting, told Dawn that the prime minister was of the view that if Pakistan expelled the French ambassador, there might be a strong reaction from the European Union (EU) and Pakistan’s 27 ambassadors in western countries could be repatriated.
The prime minister said every Muslim loved Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) and could not bear his disrespect, but the way of condemnation by the government was quite different from that of the TLP. Mr Khan was quoted as saying: “No one can claim that he loves Prophet Muhammad more than anyone else.”
The prime minister said the western countries would not come under any pressure unless the whole Muslim ummah jointly condemned the act of blasphemy and made the West realise that it was not the issue of “freedom of speech” but harming the sentiments of billions of Muslims around the world. He said he would lead a campaign in which the heads of all Muslim states would jointly force the West to stop blasphemy of the Prophet.
Another participant said the meeting had agreed that the government would not lift ban on the TLP and the latter would have to file an appeal in a court to get the ban lifted.
“We cannot lift the ban now as it is a legal matter,” a minister, who did not want to be named, said when reminded that the ban was imposed by the interior ministry, and not by any court of law. He said the prime minister feared that if the French ambassador was sent back, the future of millions of Pakistani workers in the West would be on stake. “Similarly, our trade with the West and European states will be severed.”
A participant of the meeting said the TLP was called a banned outfit throughout the meeting. “We called them kaladam (proscribed),” she added.
TLP calls off protest
Earlier, declaring the submission of the resolution to the National Assembly as historic victory for the TLP, the central shura of the banned outfit called off its protest movement and ended sit-in at its headquarters in Lahore, clearing the venue and the city after eight days of violence and blockades.
In a video statement, the shura members said that since the resolution had been presented in the National Assembly, they were winding up their protest camps. They appealed to their workers to stay peaceful and ignore [social media] rumours.
“The TLP leadership is in negotiations with the government and progress is being made on all the issues,” the statement said, adding that it was time for peace and workers should stay peaceful.
After the announcement, the TLP workers started returning home, clearing Multan Road — one of the main arteries of the city — after eight days of blockade.
In the morning, Interior Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed announced that the proscribed TLP had agreed to call off protests across the country. “Talks with the TLP [on other than already agreed] are going on,” he said in a video statement after the agreement.
As per the agreement, he said, the government would present a resolution on expulsion of the French ambassador in the National Assembly and the assembly session had been convened. The cases registered against TLP workers under the Fourth Schedule would also be withdrawn, he said, adding that he would hold a press conference on the matter.
No written agreement, however, was shared with the media nor made public by the either side. By the evening, execution of the agreement [withdrawal of cases under Fourth Schedule] generated some doubts when neither TLP chief Saad Hussain Rizvi nor any of his colleagues were released. The prison department official said in the afternoon they were told to make necessary arrangements for the release of Saad Rizvi, but no “written word” followed.
A high-up of the home department told Dawn that they had “neither received any instructions on his [Saad Rizvi] release nor on over 3,000 TLP workers held in different districts of the province”.
About the potential release of TLP leaders and workers, he said: “Some of them are held under the Maintenance of Public Order (MPO) section that jails the culprit for 30 days. Others were charged with and held on terrorism charges and FIRs were lodged against them. Releasing them would require a lengthy legal process that may take days, if not weeks, and when the process starts. There are, however, no official instructions so far to even start the process.”
Late in evening, Minister for Information Fawad Chaudhry said the government could release the people held under the MPO because it was entitled to do so. “But how can those booked under murder charges and terrorism be released by the government? They need legal proceedings and only court can do so.”
The minister insisted that the current status of the TLP was of a banned organisation and it had to face all those conditions that a proscribed party faced.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1619451/no-intention-of-lifting-ban-on-tlp-declares-pm
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err no he wouldnt..he would be centre right at best..or centre Left..this is a myth peddled by the uninformed.
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come one. he will fully right wing..
TLP nu ban te unban karna.. hai sauda khara khara.
He supports the ideology of TLP.. just that it does not fit the economic realities of Jarnails.. who selected him.
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Yeah nah dude I don't think he supports the ideology of TLP.... hell he supported Ghamdi a modernist "mullah" who the TLP guys will probably beat up on sight...
Economy has zero to do with it a considerable number of Pakistanis hate TLP but the problem is thier street power and state becoming too heavy handed will lead to nuetrals swinging as than TLP becomes the victims die to tham being unarmed fighting the armed gov forces
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I'm a Sunni but what you're saying is absolute garbage.
TLP have killed policemen but they can't be terrorist because they are Sunni by belief?
People like you are the reason why Pakistan is in the state that it is in today.
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Imran Khan and PTI are center-right not far-right like Modi and BJP. The equivalent of BJP in Pakistan is Jamaat-e-Islami
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veer mere in my honest opinion.. the goons of TLP must be taken to task, not negotiated with.
the fact that IK is negotiating with them, means there are some external pressures.. or IK is radical and supports the same.
It is all to do with economy, if PK economy was strong where French would lose a lot of billions, Macron would have apologised by now..
"Na biwi na bacha na baap bada na maiya
The whole thing is that ke bhaiya sabse bada rupaiya"
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Agreed, well said.
From your experience how popular are the TLP in Pakistan? Would you say they have a lot of followers?
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bhai.. makhol na karo yaar..
Imran invokes Islam,prophet PBUH.. he is not right wing.
Modi invokes Hindu Gods, he is is right wing..
kuch bi yaar.. innnee taaan hypocrisy na maro yaar.
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Aren't ISIS Taliban sunni too...
Just saying...
Yes they are Sunnis but misguided.
Just like how I think Modi is a Hindu but a misguided one.
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Like Redwood I'm no fan of IK and PTI but to claim that he and his party are Pakistan's far right equivalent of Modi and his party is a joke. Modi's role in the Gujarat massacre alone is suffice to epitomise this.
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You need to learn to read a little more carefully. I said he is center-right, that means he is right-wing genius. But he is not far-right like Modi.
If you have trouble understanding the political spectrum than Google is your friend.
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Their popularity has sky-rocketed in the last two years. They have tapped into the middle-class and the masses with their ideology but at the same time also mainstreamed extremism. Eventhough no one in Pakistan would dare to touch the topic of Khatam-e-Nabuwat, they insist on making themselves the defenders of it. And they use it to emotionally influence people, mobilize them, and get them to block roads, destroy public property, attack law-enforcement.
What's troubling is that their support base is rising and is pretty strong through most segments of the population, but especially the masses. Just google and look at the number of people who turned up for Khadim Hussain Rizvi's funeral in Lahore.
Through it all the state has been an enabler and has the most blame to shoulder in their rise. In this I think PTI isn't the only one to blame. The Army was the one that basically used them against the PMLN government back in 2017, foolishly not realizing that these same people will become a problem for them in the future. It's this kind of lack of vision that allows groups like these to rise.
PTI deserves all the blame for not acting though, eventhough they had multiple chances and when they essentially took the first step too a few days ago.
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This is the most absurd and one sided biased view, from someone very anti TLP.
I being a pro TLP can counter every point of yours.
But in Summary
TLP rise has mostly to do with Khadim Hussain Rizvi’s status. Apart from his entry into politics, he is well learned in hadith and many other fields. He is hardcore follower and preacher of Imam Ahmad Raza Khan Barelvis teachings. +1
Famously known for his immense knowledge of Persian, Urdu and Punjabi poetry. Especially Allama Iqbals. +1
He has refuted and named and shamed all the Peers who are looting, corrupting and defaming the Aastanay of their forefathers, as well Naat Khawans. +1
His Firm stance on Mumtaz Qadri Issue is what brought him limelight. +1
And lastly his first Faizabad Sit-in where government did all it could with force to dismantled him but he stayed put. The law minister resigned and the amendment which was done in the Khatme nabuwat bill was removed and it was reinstated in its original form.
TLP has clean history In election commission, zero cases of violence for any of leadership.
But their stance on khatme nabuwat is as bold and clear as it can get.
In my eyes everytime they have took on the road was incited by government and governments own mishaps.
And lastly non of you will agree with me on any of the above but khair. You can see it for yourself.
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It does not matter.
Try expelling the French Ambassador.. Pakistan will learn a lesson for life.
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I don't converse with extremists.
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Bhai jaan how are you going to converse with masses of Pakistan then
With bullets? Like other day
And have the country at standstill.
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There is only one way to deal with extremists who hold the state hostage: force.
It's a sad reality that the government doesn't have the guts to go after extremists who have destroyed public property, caused economic damage to the state and martyred our brave policemen. But if it was up to me I would have used full force to quell this problem.
This kind of thing has happened before in 1953 in Lahore and the only way it was solved was by force.
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Wait what ? IK has banned the damn party and people are calling him gutless, u turn and what not.
None of Nawaz and Zardaris would have even dared to touch these mullahs. We are lucky that we have an honest brave leader at this crucial time in our history.
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Wait what ? IK has banned the damn party and people are calling him gutless, u turn and what not.
None of Nawaz and Zardaris would have even dared to touch these mullahs. We are lucky that we have an honest brave leader at this crucial time in our history.
Why did he release 667 miscreants and their leader than?
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The reason they have banned tlp is because they don't want them to participate in future elections.
Because once the imf programme starts jabbing into people's ribs , imran khan will become even more unpopular .
Tlp are a big threat to the establishment and can upset the elite and status quo , they can't have a sunni version of iran it will also upset the western masters alongwith the imf bailiffs .
Naya pakistan is all a fraud its the same recycled ministers from former parties and same governance of selling out the country to the imf programmes and foreigners.
As long as the elite and generals can live their lavish lifestyles and yashian who cares about the masses struggling to feed themselves.
Because once the imf programme starts jabbing into people's ribs , imran khan will become even more unpopular .
Tlp are a big threat to the establishment and can upset the elite and status quo , they can't have a sunni version of iran it will also upset the western masters alongwith the imf bailiffs .
Naya pakistan is all a fraud its the same recycled ministers from former parties and same governance of selling out the country to the imf programmes and foreigners.
As long as the elite and generals can live their lavish lifestyles and yashian who cares about the masses struggling to feed themselves.
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TLP's rise can be attributed to the following,
1. Rizvi used a sensitive issue of khatm e Nabuwat to rally people behind him.
2. Political vacuum(conservative areas) created by the demise of traditional parties (PML N, PPP) helped his cause.
3.They used social media quiet effectively as well. Religious and political gatherings used to be live streamed, well organized and well coordinated. Mullahs made proper use of technology.
Moreover, there is more to this ban than just protests. PM in his speech has mentioned that foreign elements have infiltrated this movement as usual. Numerous WhatsApp groups run by Indians were spreading anti state agenda. Political parties don't get banned just for protests.
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Too calm down situation for now. This arrest and release of clerics will keep on happening but the bottom-line is that TLP is finished. Their party is banned and authorities will be keeping an eye on their every move. IK deserves credit for he has taken a brave decision by literally risking his life (Salman Taseer).
The state has learned one thing over the years, that is how to handle anti state populist movements that are backed by nefarious internal/external forces. Successful dismantling of MQM, PTM and inshAllah TLP is testament to it.
You are absolutely wrong here.
PTI would be like BJP in India. Both BJP and PTI would be considered far right.
PTI approves Ahmedis as Non-Muslims, approves blasphemy laws and your PM constantly talks about Islam, Deen and Muslims. He is more worried about Muslims in Pakistan and around the world than the plight of Pakistanis. PTI constantly ignores the atrocities carried out against minorities in Pakistan. Christian and Hindu Girls getting kidnapped and converting to Islam, yet I hear nothing from Imran. But a few dumb cartoons will make his heart burn and rants about it endlessly on Twitter and other social media.
Imran is a far right stooge just like BJP in West. The likes of TLP and other Islamic parties would be declared terrorist organizations in West. They will not be given the honor of being a political party. Your comparison is laughable.
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You couldn't be any more off-base. If there's one thing the state hasn't learned its how these entities that use religion for their narrow gains (entities that the state creates) backfire on them. Its been going on since the 80s and it continues till today. Who do you think created TLP? Who used them to destabilize the PMLN government in 2017? And who made cash pay-offs to their protesters once the whole situation stabilized?
TLP is not comparable to MQM in any way. MQM was restricted only to Karachi, it didn't have a massive support-base through out the country like TLP. A support-base of extremists mind you. PTM cannot even be considered a threat, it doesn't have these many supporters; it is basically a fringe group backed by funding from external forces.
As far as the ban is concerned, first off it is up to the courts to uphold it. What's to say they won't lift it under pressure? And what's to say that TLP simply won't rename their party?
I voted for Imran Khan but he has been nothing but a disappointment who has always struggled to take tough decisions. He should have put his foot down when TLP demanded that Atif Mian be removed from the Economic Advisory Council, he didn't. He could have put his foot down numerous other times when these extremists blocked roads and destroyed public property, he didn't. And now we are here.
History has shown that the cost of inaction is simply too high. Just look at what happened at Lal Masjid when Musharraf hesitated to launch an operation. It caused even greater damage.
Imran Khan is too concerned about his seat which is why is not ready to take the difficult decisions. And if you can't even take the difficult decisions than really what kind of a leader are you?
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Yeah and the RSS would be declared a terrorist organization in most parts of the world too. Except in India, it is the fountainhead from which the BJP flows.
As far as PTI is concerned, it may ignore atrocities that go in the country but that doesn't make it any different from any other ruling-party in any other country in the world.
But hey, atleast PTI doesn't roll out policies that make Hindus stateless or throw them in interment camps. Our interior minster doesn't call for immigrants to be thrown in the 'Bay of Bengal'. He doesn't refer to them as 'termites' either. Our Supreme Court didn't call for a Hindu temple to be destroyed to make way for a mosque. And for all their inaction, it was PTI that inaugurated the Kartarpur Corridor and made a long-standing dream of Sikhs on both sides of the border a reality. But yeah, keep living in your fantasy world.
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I used the word 'state has learned over the years'. This is not 80s anymore (lot of our political commentators are stuck there).
You are going on about lal masjid, Atif mian, 2017 sit in and what not. My point is that IK has taken a brave decision by banning a party supported by a large chunk of religious zealots and he deserves credit for that.
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He doesn't. If he had any guts he wouldn't have made an agreement with a group he banned. Why did he hold negotiations with them? That's a sign of weakness and everything in that agreement reads like a repeat of the agreement they signed with TLP last year.
If he really had any courage he would have called for full force to be used, to make sure these extremists never got up again. But one day later they were holding even larger protests. That shows that the government was ineffective in everything they did because the people who caused anarchy and held the state hostage came out unscathed.
It takes guts to take difficult decisions and only real leaders can take them.
The ban is practically meaningless if durable action isn't taken to destroy the party; not only can it be reversed by the courts but they can just rename their party.
I get that you are a die-hard supporter of his but that doesn't mean that you can insult my intelligence and get me or anyone to acknowledge what is nothing more than a token gesture.
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In Pakistani politics PTI is a Centrist party. Centre right at max.
The religious parties like TLP, and Jaamat-e-Islami are right wing. These parties have never won a federal election in Pakistan.
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He lectured others on the hereditary peers, yet his own son took over the party after he died.
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Do you know that the liberal PPP declared Ahmadis non Muslims in the 70's. How the heck is PTI responsible for it? Not one party will vote to declare them Muslims, yet Imran Khan must be at fault for that as well.
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Its not for his seat, its that he doesn't believe that is an effective policy. And should only be used as a last resort. Maybe he is wrong but he is doing what he said before the election. He criticized Musharraf, and PPP for their operations against these thugs.
He even called liberals the **** of Pakistan, and he liberals were "khooni", said they were fascist during the PPP era, because they supported military operations against terrorist.
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sorry I totally disagree. this is sensational nonsense. IK believes in an Islamic welfare state and I would go far is neither on the right or left. Believing in the Ideals of our Prophet pbuh does not make you far right. Its a whole another paradigm.
You cant put it conveniently into a box. He is on the left when it comes to welfare. (social housing, universal health care, free education, scholarships, welfare payments) I suspect if he had more money to play with you would see more social welfare schemes like jobless allowance, fully govt funded health services etc.
On social matters he is conservative as that is what Islam teaches us to be. but overall he is what many Muslims would say, on the liberal side of Islamic thought.
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So what do you want to happen. How about you stop beating about the bush and give us your take. We have lots on this forum who are eager to criticise but when they are asked to provide their thoughts they disappear. Cmon put your money where your mouth is and give us a step by step breakdown of how you would deal with the TLP.
I would say Imran is close to the right wing. He called Osama a martyr, linked rape with choice of clothing, failed and continues to turn a blind eye to the sufferings of minorities, boasted how Pakistan was the only Muslim country in the world which kept its mosques open, uses religion to stall any criticism of his performance, founded a university after the Sufi saint Abdul Qadir Jillani, spends a lot of time building up his image of a pious leader by posting pictures of himself praying & rolling prayer beads, and under his watch, KP universities enact dress code on female students. There are several other examples.
Imran Khan is a bit confused person. He has become very superstitious and he is seen regularly prostrating at shrines and wearing all sorts of beads and admiring Abdul Qadir Jilani - who many Barelvis believe had supernatural powers such as walking on water and bringing people back to life. All this is forbidden in Islam.
Imran Khan is a bit confused person. He has become very superstitious and he is seen regularly prostrating at shrines and wearing all sorts of beads and admiring Abdul Qadir Jilani - who many Barelvis believe had supernatural powers such as walking on water and bringing people back to life. All this is forbidden in Islam.
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