Feeling jealous of Pakistan seamers in PSL

[IndianFan2018]

What Dr.Sahab is saying is that their street level bowlers are better than our B-Team bowlers.

If Pak is not winning away Tests in spite of having such great bowling attack, it means their batsmen are worse than the street level batsmen in other countries.

Easy to point fingers at others weaknesses and feel happy. .. Sometimes better to look at own shortcomings #JustSaying

 

[Rayyman]

Not to be harsh on Indians or anything, I still see the same trundlers.

Unadkat and Siraj bowling 130 kph short of a length with no reverse or heavy ball. Nothing new from India. It's like Praveen Kumar and Munaf Patel all over again.

 

[Greenstorm]

Easy to point fingers at others weaknesses and feel happy. .. Sometimes better to look at own shortcomings #JustSaying

Talking of weaknesses, why is India not playing Nagarkoti and Mavi in place of these Siraj types ?

 

[IndianFan2018]

Talking of weaknesses, why is India not playing Nagarkoti and Mavi in place of these Siraj types ?

India cricket has process now, they need to play couple of domestic season before getting into national squad.

Good in a way, we may lose few rough diamonds if introduced at premature stage of player development

 

[Greenstorm]

India cricket has process now, they need to play couple of domestic season before getting into national squad.

Good in a way, we may lose few rough diamonds if introduced at premature stage of player development

India should groom at least one of them for the next world cup. You need wicket takers because apart from Bumrah there is no wicket taking pacer in India.

 

[troodon]

India should groom at least one of them for the next world cup. You need wicket takers because apart from Bumrah there is no wicket taking pacer in India.

Our bowling unit does not work the way Pak works.

Idea is, our Opening pacers get 1 or 2 in the first 10 overs. More like a 45/1 in 10 overs.

Then Spinners come and give like 120 runs in 30 overs and get another 3 or 4 wickers.

Opposition will be 150/4 or 150/5 at the end of 35 overs. Pandya will also bowl during this.

Then the next 10-15 overs, we give another 90 runs by grabbing another 3 wickets.

Final total to chase will be 45 + 120 + 90 = 245-250 range.

Our batting will chase this 9 times out of 10.

This has been our success mantra since CT 2017. Even prior to that we had the same mantra. Jaddu and Ash would choke scoring during the middle overs. Now that job went to Kuldeep and Chahal. Adding Sundar to the list too.

 

[Greenstorm]

Our bowling unit does not work the way Pak works.

Idea is, our Opening pacers get 1 or 2 in the first 10 overs. More like a 45/1 in 10 overs.

Then Spinners come and give like 120 runs in 30 overs and get another 3 or 4 wickers.

Opposition will be 150/4 or 150/5 at the end of 35 overs. Pandya will also bowl during this.

Then the next 10-15 overs, we give another 90 runs by grabbing another 3 wickets.

Final total to chase will be 45 + 120 + 90 = 245-250 range.

Our batting will chase this 9 times out of 10.

This has been our success mantra since CT 2017. Even prior to that we had the same mantra. Jaddu and Ash would choke scoring during the middle overs. Now that job went to Kuldeep and Chahal. Adding Sundar to the list too.

There are more chances of this mantra not working against teams who play spin better. Malik and Hafeez will prefer to play Chahal and Kuldeep instead of facing 145+ kph short pitch bowling from Nagarkoti. Playing only two genuine pacers against Srilanka, Pakistan and even Bangladesh is a recipe for disaster.

 

[troodon]

There are more chances of this mantra not working against teams who play spin better. Malik and Hafeez will prefer to play Chahal and Kuldeep instead of facing 145+ kph short pitch bowling from Nagarkoti. Playing only two genuine pacers against Srilanka, Pakistan and even Bangladesh is a recipe for disaster.

2017 CT was the first time pak dominated our spinners. Prior to that Pak struggled against Jaddu and Ash. You can even check 2015wc.

Easy to play finger spinners than leggies.

I feel that India will only play 1 spinner in the final eleven. That will be Kuldeep.

It will be Bk, Bumrah, 3rd seamer, Pandya and Kuldeep when playing the likes of Lanka and pak.

Against SA, Aus, Eng, it will be 2 spinners.

 

[IndianFan2018]

There are more chances of this mantra not working against teams who play spin better. Malik and Hafeez will prefer to play Chahal and Kuldeep instead of facing 145+ kph short pitch bowling from Nagarkoti. Playing only two genuine pacers against Srilanka, Pakistan and even Bangladesh is a recipe for disaster.

Instead of pushing amature U19 bowlers to battle ground, better to find winning combination from established players. We may get one of them fast tracked if they get same success in IPL vs quality batsman, not sure it will happen though !

 

[Greenstorm]

Hafeez and Malik have generally dominated Indian spinners. None of them were there in 2015 WC and neither was Fakhar. We had serial match losers like Younus, Shafiq, Akmals and Shehzad who did not knew how to attack spinners.

The third seamer you are talking about can be Nagarkoti or Mavi if groomed until worldcup. This is the point I was making.

 

[Greenstorm]

Instead of pushing amature U19 bowlers to battle ground, better to find winning combination from established players. We may get one of them fast tracked if they get same success in IPL vs quality batsman, not sure it will happen though !

There is no harm to test them in random T20s against srilanka and Bangladesh. Most of the legendary fast bowlers have debuted at young age.

 

[IndianFan2018]

Hafeez and Malik have generally dominated Indian spinners. None of them were there in 2015 WC and neither was Fakhar. We had serial match losers like Younus, Shafiq, Akmals and Shehzad who did not knew how to attack spinners.

The third seamer you are talking about can be Nagarkoti or Mavi if groomed until worldcup. This is the point I was making.

Good point ..but Ind selectors and coach are not thinking in the same lines sadly

 

[rhony]

There is no harm to test them in random T20s against srilanka and Bangladesh. Most of the legendary fast bowlers have debuted at young age.

The two young bowlers in U-19 have pace but are gun barrel straight. IPL will show if they are good enough

 

[rhony]

Good point ..but Ind selectors and coach are not thinking in the same lines sadly

U pick your best 11. Thakur will be eaten alive compared to Chahal

 

[IndianFan2018]

U pick your best 11. Thakur will be eaten alive compared to Chahal

One or two weaklinks are inevitable sometimes, not every Nation is as blessed as AUS or SA to get long list of fast bowlers to choose from ..!

 

[BreadPakoda]

One or two weaklink is inevitable sometimes, not every Nation is as blessed as AUS or SA to get long list of fast bowlers to choose from ..!

Apparently India is. In fact, we have the fast bowling back up that no other country including Australia and SA will have, as per a certain poster who going by his insights (one of which is that Mohammad Siraj is one of the 15 90 mph bowlers in Indian domestics) clearly wasting his day watching domestic cricket.

I know about Khaleel and nagarkoti. Can you please name these 15 who bowl at 145kph?

Sounds really good for world cricket.

Saini, Siraj, Khejroliya, Aniket ( more 140ish), Sangwan, Thampi, Avesh, Rajpoot, Asif, Shardul, Monu, Nathu... These are some of the names that come to the mind.. Obviously bowlers like Varun Aaron ( 150+), Umesh, Bumrah, Shami are not included in the list.

 

[Greenstorm]

The two young bowlers in U-19 have pace but are gun barrel straight. IPL will show if they are good enough

So the cupboard is empty it seems. What will happen if Bumrah gets injured just before the world cup (this idea is not far fetched as he is playing all three formats and is team's spearhead) ?

 

[IndianFan2018]

So the cupboard is empty it seems. What will happen if Bumrah gets injured just before the world cup (this idea is not far fetched as he is playing all three formats and is team's spearhead) ?

As always ...Ind trusts batsman to win WC's more than bowlers.

Ind with all its bowling problems is second best behind AUS in all world tournament performances combined !

 

[IndianFan2018]

So the cupboard is empty it seems. What will happen if Bumrah gets injured just before the world cup (this idea is not far fetched as he is playing all three formats and is team's spearhead) ?

LOI matches and tournaments can be won by exceptional batting stars ( like 2 Hitman Gabbar )

But same is not true in tests where team need to take 20 wickets to win

 

[Greenstorm]

As always ...Ind trusts batsman to win WC's more than bowlers.

Ind with all its bowling problems is second best behind AUS in all world tournament performances combined !

your batting is also regressing . India has not been able to find replacements for Dhoni and Yuvraj. You rely too heavily on top 3. Power hitting is lacking. I will be worried if I was to be an Indian fan right now.

 

[troodon]

The two young bowlers in U-19 have pace but are gun barrel straight. IPL will show if they are good enough

Have you watched U19 wc?

Gun barrel straight?
Both have excellent outswinger and Yorkers. I am guessing you only watched them again bd on a flat track.

 

[DRsohail]

In that case Pakistan should win lots of away test matches.

Our test bowling line up is not settled that much.i have to agree.but it can be in sometime plus our bats have to perform.it was our batting which let us down in most of away matches.

 

[IndianFan2018]

your batting is also regressing . India has not been able to find replacements for Dhoni and Yuvraj. You rely too heavily on top 3. Power hitting is lacking. I will be worried if I was to be an Indian fan right now.

We are more confident now than in Dhoni era post 2011 WC win, atleast we have few good seamers and wicket taking spinners playing under 2

wasted too much time on Sharmas, Ashwin and Jaddu in LOI.

Atleast Kohli knows importance of wicket taking bowler over containing bowler in LOI's.

 

[DRsohail]

What Dr.Sahab is saying is that their street level bowlers are better than our B-Team bowlers.

If Pak is not winning away Tests in spite of having such great bowling attack, it means their batsmen are worse than the street level batsmen in other countries.

Better than the ones i saw in recent t20I in srilanka.
But all of us should know that cricket is a team game,our bowlers have always been good most of the times but it is our batting that let us down in odi and tests.
Still with this mediocre batting line up we can win matches because of our bowling unit like india do with their batting.
Forgot Ammad butt too.He was magnificent today.
The other thing due to which our bowlers are not developing is UAE.You cant play and bowler seamers there in the desert which has no gain.

 

[DRsohail]

We are more confident now than in Dhoni era post 2011 WC win, atleast we have few good seamers and wicket taking spinners playing under 2

wasted too much time on Sharmas, Ashwin and Jaddu in LOI.

Atleast Kohli knows importance of wicket taking bowler over containing bowler in LOI's.

Kohli has the right attitude for fast bowlers.
Under him i expect indian bowlers to perform better like they did in SA.
dhoni was very depressing regarding using FAst bowlers.

 

[Greenstorm]

We are more confident now than in Dhoni era post 2011 WC win, atleast we have few good seamers and wicket taking spinners playing under 2

wasted too much time on Sharmas, Ashwin and Jaddu in LOI.

Atleast Kohli knows importance of wicket taking bowler over containing bowler in LOI's.

You had your golden era under Dhoni. Man used to be cool as a cucumber in pressure situtions. You will only go down with super aggressive Kohli2. It isn't your nature. Now is our time to shine. You just sit back and watch us glow.

 

[IndianFan2018]

Kohli has the right attitude for fast bowlers.
Under him i expect indian bowlers to perform better like they did in SA.
dhoni was very depressing regarding using FAst bowlers.

Not only that, made Ashwin and Jaddu to bowl negative lines in away ODI series in SENA...

See the results and difference the way Chahal and Kuldeep bowled to SA tour under 2

 

[DRsohail]

Not only that, made Ashwin and Jaddu to bowl negative lines in away ODI series in SENA...

See the results and difference the way Chahal and Kuldeep bowled to SA tour under 2

Yes the same thing Misbah did to our Fast bowling but it will take time for us to recover and another issue was we were playing most of our cricket in UAE.
Fast bowlers are all about attitude and approach of the captain and for me Kohli has this spark.

 

[IndianFan2018]

You had your golden era under Dhoni. Man used to be cool as a cucumber in pressure situtions. You will only go down with super aggressive Kohli2. It isn't your nature. Now is our time to shine. You just sit back and watch us glow.

I am biggest fan of and still is one !

But post 2011 WC become too slow and poor captain with attitude like old Eng captains (only exception was 2013 CT win but credit should go to our top order Rohit, Dhawan and King Kohli more than captain)!

First Glory of Kohli was to win ODI series convincingly vs SA, which we could not achieve with so many greats in the past. Agreed SA was not full strength, it was just JAMODI series, but this series win has given lot of confidence to most of we Ind fans for sure.

Let's see what else Kohli can achieve as Ind captain, fingers crossed 2

 

[Syed1]

Not only that, made Ashwin and Jaddu to bowl negative lines in away ODI series in SENA...

See the results and difference the way Chahal and Kuldeep bowled to SA tour under 2

"The master has failed more times than the beginner has even tried"



The master (Dhoni) wipes the floor with Kohli(beginner) as of now. Kohli wilts in pressure situations. We saw that in the CT final (not bringing that to chest thump just to make a point).... Kohli was scared and put himself on the boundary and Dhoni was left incharge to do the bowling/fielding changes.

 

[IndianFan2018]

"The master has failed more times than the beginner has even tried"



The master (Dhoni) wipes the floor with Kohli(beginner) as of now. Kohli wilts in pressure situations. We saw that in the CT final (not bringing that to chest thump just to make a point).... Kohli was scared and put himself on the boundary and Dhoni was left incharge to do the bowling/fielding changes.

King Kohli scared ... Wrong brother, he will fight but never runaway ask AUS players.

Agree on grooming still 2 in tough situations, but has become stagnant after winning every cup from ICC. Ind needed change and Kohli happened, let's judge after Kohli relinquishes the throne.

PS: Kohli fields in boundary in every match at slog overs, because he is dam good out fielder. You wouldn't have said this if u followed Ind matches under Kohli.

 

[Greenstorm]

I am biggest fan of and still is one !

But post 2011 WC become too slow and poor captain with attitude like old Eng captains (only exception was 2013 CT win but credit should go to our top order Rohit, Dhawan and King Kohli more than captain)!

First Glory of Kohli was to win ODI series convincingly vs SA, which we could not achieve with so many greats in the past. Agreed SA was not full strength, it was just JAMODI series, but this series win has given lot of confidence to most of we Ind fans for sure.

Let's see what else Kohli can achieve as Ind captain, fingers crossed 2

Don't look too much in this 5-1 victory. That was a depleted SA team. You are bound for a reality check in Asia cup.

 

[IndianFan2018]

Don't look too much in this 5-1 victory. That was a depleted SA team. You are bound for a reality check in Asia cup.

Sure challenge accepted ... Ind vs Pak in Asia Cup (if it happens) or in WC'19.

Kisme kitna hai dum

 

[Sidilicious]

Pakistan has some good bowling resources. But I really dont think we have anything to be jealous about.

Arguably, our Test bowling is better than Pakistan's. Pakistan's LOT bowling may better, but its only marginal. In fact, with he spin attack we have, I would even say we are at at least par.

We have some very good talents such as Khaleel, Nagarkoti and Malvi in the wings. On top of that there are bowlers like Avesh Khan, Nathu, Porel etc who are really good talents and will also hopefully add to this pace battery.

If we fail to do well in the next WC, it would be our middle order'd doing, not out batting.

 

[rhony]

So the cupboard is empty it seems. What will happen if Bumrah gets injured just before the world cup (this idea is not far fetched as he is playing all three formats and is team's spearhead) ?

That will be a nightmare. Bhuvi and Bumrah are irreplacable

 

[Dingolfy]

Yeah sure we should have bowlers like Unadkhat, Thakur, Shakurs



Even Pakistan's worst bowler is better than India's best. The only bowler who is somewhat acceptable is Bumrah. You guys should stick to talking about batting.

Dude, your trundlers couldnt get poor Lankans out whom we trounced for 3-0. First find some bowlers who have the stamina to bowl over 140s in Tests and then we will talk about who is better.

 

[Rayyman]

Dude, your trundlers couldnt get poor Lankans out whom we trounced for 3-0. First find some bowlers who have the stamina to bowl over 140s in Tests and then we will talk about who is better.

Nobody has stamina to bowl 140 kph consistently in UAE anymore. Back in the day players were more match fit.

It is literally 95*F or 40*C every day over there.

Only reason SL won is due to the 40 year old legend grandpa that is Herath. Pak could've won with another spinner though.

 

[Oligochaetes]

I just happened to look at a domestic game in india.
Vid vs ROI
Vid are 598-3. The bowling team had R. Ashwin in it.

Is Indian first class played on such roads on a regular basis? Who would want to bowl? Who will want to be a bowler. If those U19 bowlers bowl here they will give up quickly.

India should prepare sporting FC pitches to find and maintain bowlers. No wonder they rarely find any bowlers. If I was looking at cricket as a career in India I would choose to bat on these roads Instead of killing myself as a bowler

 

[Titan24]

Our bowling unit does not work the way Pak works.

Idea is, our Opening pacers get 1 or 2 in the first 10 overs. More like a 45/1 in 10 overs.

Then Spinners come and give like 120 runs in 30 overs and get another 3 or 4 wickers.

Opposition will be 150/4 or 150/5 at the end of 35 overs. Pandya will also bowl during this.

Then the next 10-15 overs, we give another 90 runs by grabbing another 3 wickets.

Final total to chase will be 45 + 120 + 90 = 245-250 range.

Our batting will chase this 9 times out of 10.

This has been our success mantra since CT 2017. Even prior to that we had the same mantra. Jaddu and Ash would choke scoring during the middle overs. Now that job went to Kuldeep and Chahal. Adding Sundar to the list too.

I doubt that yadav, Chahal or Sundar will be that effective in WC 2019 considering its in England. Pacers will have a huge role to play

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Whenever I see Undakat I feel jealous of Shaheen...

 

[WengerOut]

Whenever I see Undakat I feel jealous of Shaheen...

I even feel jealous of Sohail Tanvir after watching Unadkat.

 

[UN talkz]

I even feel jealous of Sohail Tanvir after watching Unadkat.

Savage

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I even feel jealous of Sohail Tanvir after watching Unadkat.

LOL. Even Anwar Ali is better than these bowlers. These bowlers remind me of Harvinder Singh and Debasish Mohanty's era. They were 10 times better than our current crop of phaast trundlers.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

An Industry producing Trundlers.

I don't know who is responsible for finding seamers .

All of Sran, Shankar, Shardul and Unadkat are tall and have good physique.

What they think is good physique= good seam bowler.

But that is not how it works.

 

[ataullah]

LOL. Even Anwar Ali is better than these bowlers. These bowlers remind me of Harvinder Singh and Debasish Mohanty's era. They were 10 times better than our current crop of phaast trundlers.

U got better bench than that am sure. Where is khaleel ahmed, mavi and nagarkoti? Dont let them toil in domestics

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

U got better bench than that am sure. Where is khaleel ahmed, mavi and nagarkoti? Dont let them toil in domestics

They know bowling fast won't help them make it into the indian team so they are training themselves to become better trundlers than Sran, Unadkat, Shankar and Thakur.

 

[WengerOut]

The new trundler kid in the block is Navdeep Saini. Bet u can see him in near future.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

What ?

Who is this Arun, as a bowling coach?

First time hearing his name.

And his physique...

Now I know why we produce trundlers.

 

[sully3]

the world will know about Usman Khan Shinwari just let him play at a ICC world event

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

the world will know about Usman Khan Shinwari just let him play at a ICC world event

Someone should work on his back though........he kinda does his back every six months or so

 

[babajee]

Even Sadaf Hussain is better than every Indian pacer apart from Bumrah.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Shaheen Afridi Vs Thakur+Sran+Unadkat+Shankar

I would take Afridi any day.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Add Nagarkotti to that list too.

 

[babajee]

Add Nagarkotti to that list too.

What is the hype about over this guy?

 

[WengerOut]

What is the hype about over this guy?

He can bowl the most delicious half volley

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Add Nagarkotti to that list too.

I will not count anyone who has not played the top level cricket.(international or leagues)

 

[Cozyrensetter]

No competition.Milke bhi inki pace Afridi jitni nahi

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

What is the hype about over this guy?

Consistently bowled above 140 with max speed 148 in wc u19
Though he is not as good as shaheen but quite decent considering he is only 18

 

[Mirpur express]

Even though they are all very young but Saheen is already international class & way ahead of any1 in his age group , the best 17 yr old pacer in the world

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Consistently bowled above 140 with max speed 148 in wc u19
Though he is not as good as shaheen but quite decent considering he is only 18

Don't worry after playing 2 seasons of Pyjama League he too will join Shankar and Unadkat. Pakistan knows how to take care of their bowlers just like we know how to take care of our batsman. Even though we are struggling in this field as well currently.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

@mods . Add siraj to this list.

 

[Rishta Aunty]

I'd still want to wait till I see him play International cricket. Totally different ball game. Don't get fooled by this Sundar guy or Shadab who seems to have taken to it like a duck to water. Vast majority of players struggle initially with the step up.

 

[Oligochaetes]

Don't worry after playing 2 seasons of Pyjama League he too will join Shankar and Unadkat. Pakistan knows how to take care of their bowlers just like we know how to take care of our batsman. Even though we are struggling in this field as well currently.

Forget pyjama...the dead flat Indian first class pitches will kill his career. Anyway he bowls fast.. so if he can find a good mentor he might develop into a decent bowler

 

[Madplayer]

Don't worry after playing 2 seasons of Pyjama League he too will join Shankar and Unadkat. Pakistan knows how to take care of their bowlers just like we know how to take care of our batsman. Even though we are struggling in this field as well currently.

Nagarkotti will be better than these guys. Lets not be harsh here, he is actually talented. Good pace and inswing.

 

[big_gamer007]

The little I watched of this tri series Indian bowling attack seems like that of 90’s.. atleast we had Srinath that time who could have good days sometime this attack can’t even hope for one good day..

 

[dauntless]

Add siraj to the list too.He is one of the worst to play international.Trundler factory producing trundlers.Nothing surprising here.

 

[JaDed]

Not the same age group.

 

[ravisurya]

When was the last time Sran even played for India??

 

[ravisurya]

Even Sadaf Hussain is better than every Indian pacer apart from Bumrah.

Have to agree. Every bowler on show in PSL is better than what India has currently yet India are ranked n0.1 is tests and ODIs and would probably be unbeatable with better bowlers whereas Pakistan with all the abundance of talent is languishing.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Thakur , Vinay and Chahar..

Where are Mavi, Nagarkoti

 

[ataullah]

Thakur , Vinay and Chahar..

Where are Mavi, Nagarkoti

I feel sorry for them as a Pakistan supporter

 

[saeed5646]

Thakur , Vinay and Chahar..

Where are Mavi, Nagarkoti

Apparently according to some logic they will need to come through proper system to get notice and play for india A or ipl that is why they are waiting for their chance to play when veteran of indian first class fails

 

[Rahul1]

Thakur , Vinay and Chahar..

Where are Mavi, Nagarkoti

If you're feeling jealous of Tanvir your standards must be lower than Mariana Trench.

 

[WengerOut]

Apparently according to some logic they will need to come through proper system to get notice and play for india A or ipl that is why they are waiting for their chance to play when veteran of indian first class fails

For them to reach Indian team , yes there are processes. But non selection in IPL team is only the team management can shed light on. Maybe they want to be steady in the league first and then slowly get them in. You never know. Anyway surprising.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

If you're feeling jealous of Tanvir your standards must be lower than Mariana Trench.

He's still a better t20 bowler than our Vinay, Thakur Undakat. Sad but reality

He's(Tanvir) been bought as a top buy in CPL. I would never buy Vinay in my team even for free. #Chennaite

 

[Syed1]

If you're feeling jealous of Tanvir your standards must be lower than Mariana Trench.

Sohail Tanvir still has the best bowling figures in IPL history established in the very first season of the IPL

 

[Rahul1]

Sohail Tanvir still has the best bowling figures in IPL history established in the very first season of the IPL

....So?

 

[rhony]

He's still a better t20 bowler than our Vinay, Thakur Undakat. Sad but reality

He's(Tanvir) been bought as a top buy in CPL. I would never buy Vinay in my team even for free. #Chennaite

Vinay is garbage. He must be attracting a lot of female fans for some weird reason that none if us heard of. Can't think of any other reason why he is in any team. Tanvir is a T20 pro. There is no comparison

 

[Send1983]

Sohail Tanvir still has the best bowling figures in IPL history established in the very first season of the IPL

Binny has 6 for against Bangladesh which is still the best. What’s your point? Sometimes even part timer gets 5 for. Tanvir is still poor bowler, getting thrashed in internationals and rightly dropped by Pak team.

 

[Syed1]

Binny has 6 for against Bangladesh which is still the best. What’s your point? Sometimes even part timer gets 5 for. Tanvir is still poor bowler, getting thrashed in internationals and rightly dropped by Pak team.

But IPL is not international cricket... it is league cricket where even the likes of Vinay Kumar find buyers. Tanvir is a good bowler in league cricket. There is a reason why he consistently ranks as the best overseas players in other leagues.