FM Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari collects Rs1.03tr in donations from UN countries in one hour

[Major]

Pakistan Foreign Minister Bilawal Bhutto Zardari on Tuesday collected about Rs1.03 trillion from the member countries of the United Nations (UN) just in one hour.

According to the 24News HD TV channel, after the appeal of Foreign Minister Bilawal, America gave Rs6.5 billion in donations to Pakistan for the help of flood affectees.

On the appeal of Bilawal, the member states of the UN including the World Bank, Asian Development Bank, World Health Organization, UNICEF, Red Crescent and Red Cross responded positively.

While China, Turkey, America, United Kingdom, Azerbaijan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates and other countries also announced immediate aid after Bilawal’s appeal.

The channel report said that in addition to the cash assistance, the UN member countries have also provided aid in tents, medicines, food and other necessary and important items for the flood-hit people in Pakistan.

https://www.24newshd.tv/30-Aug-2022...tr-in-donations-from-un-countries-in-one-hour

 

[Major]

Good effort by him and this is why having a sane FM is important.

This will not sit well with PTI fans because for them politics is more important than helping the people affected by the flood

 

[Barragan]

Horrible news!

More properties to purchase in Dubai, London or whatever other place they desire.

 

[Major]

Horrible news!

More properties to purchase in Dubai, London or whatever other place they desire.

yup you are right, this is horrible news. Why should some poor person affected from the blooding receive any relief from any other party's mark which is not pti.

Like I said, for many of you PTI is more important than Pakistan.

 

[IMMY69]

Pakistan Foreign Minister Bilawal Bhutto Zardari on Tuesday collected about Rs1.03 trillion from the member countries of the United Nations (UN) just in one hour.

According to the 24News HD TV channel, after the appeal of Foreign Minister Bilawal, America gave Rs6.5 billion in donations to Pakistan for the help of flood affectees.

On the appeal of Bilawal, the member states of the UN including the World Bank, Asian Development Bank, World Health Organization, UNICEF, Red Crescent and Red Cross responded positively.

While China, Turkey, America, United Kingdom, Azerbaijan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates and other countries also announced immediate aid after Bilawal’s appeal.

The channel report said that in addition to the cash assistance, the UN member countries have also provided aid in tents, medicines, food and other necessary and important items for the flood-hit people in Pakistan.

https://www.24newshd.tv/30-Aug-2022...tr-in-donations-from-un-countries-in-one-hour

Surely you're smarter then this?
Please stop acting the fool

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Thread title needs to be edited.

Bilawal has not collected these in personal capacity

 

[KingKhanWC]

lol. If any money has been given to a foriegn minister is because he is representing the country, the money is for the nation.

You could have Mickey Mouse or Bilo in charge and the money would be the same.

Most world leader will be ROFL at this weird looking chap with a hardcore criminal as a father. Bilo is not normal, he needs help.

 

[Gayle_Force]

Maryam is trying to be a fake Angelina Jolie and now Bilawal trying to be a fake Imran Khan. Its just unfortunate for them that people can now easily identify real from fake.

Also, OP is asking not to do politics on flood yet does the complete opposite by crediting the foreign aide solely to Bilawal.

 

[Major]

interesting, so our resident expert on foreign affairs think that anyone can be given money....

The FM job is to keep relations with country and portray themselves in the best interest. Countries dont go out giving money to countries, your relations play a keypart.

For the past few months after the fake pir was ousted, Bilawal has been handling foreign relations.

I understand if many of you are hurt with regards to him getting more amounts for our country.

 

[Major]

lol. If any money has been given to a foriegn minister is because he is representing the country, the money is for the nation.

You could have Mickey Mouse or Bilo in charge and the money would be the same.

Most world leader will be ROFL at this weird looking chap with a hardcore criminal as a father. Bilo is not normal, he needs help.

yesterday you asked the question, you got your reply today, now you can spinn this off anyway you want.

interestingly, no pti fan can give credit here, because they would rather see Pakistanis drown in water and have their homes destroyed unless the aid is from their favorite person.

 

[Gayle_Force]

interesting, so our resident expert on foreign affairs think that anyone can be given money....

The FM job is to keep relations with country and portray themselves in the best interest. Countries dont go out giving money to countries, your relations play a keypart.

For the past few months after the fake pir was ousted, Bilawal has been handling foreign relations.

I understand if many of you are hurt with regards to him getting more amounts for our country.

This is a great news story and I am happy that countries are reaching out to support Pakistan in times of need. That being said, this has nothing to do with Bilawal and you are doing the very thing you are claiming PTI supporters will do.

Countries are giving these funds to Pakistan and the FM office is the way through which countries engage. Forget PTI, it doesn’t even matter if it was Hina Rabbani Khar, Khawaja Asif etc on this post. These funds would have still been donated. Countries do not make these decisions based on who is sitting on the FM chair, that is usually the last thing on their minds.

 

[Major]

This is a great news story and I am happy that countries are reaching out to support Pakistan in times of need. That being said, this has nothing to do with Bilawal and you are doing the very thing you are claiming PTI supporters will do.

Countries are giving these funds to Pakistan and the FM office is the way through which countries engage. Forget PTI, it doesn’t even matter if it was Hina Rabbani Khar, Khawaja Asif etc on this post. These funds would have still been donated. Countries do not make these decisions based on who is sitting on the FM chair, that is usually the last thing on their minds.

countries make these decision based on relations that are formed. The person involved in maintaining that relation is the FM who is currently Bilawal. If Pir saab was FM, relations with USA particularly were bad enough that any funds they would had send would had been less. Infact, how foreign relations work is that if our FM maintains good relations with a super power, that super power can ask international organizations to give funds easily or in larger amounts.

So yes, the relations matters.

When Shaukat Tarin tried to sabotage the the IMF deal through KPK and Punjab, our bureaucracy stood up to him because they knew how much of a problem that would had created on our international relations with IMF.

No country hands out money until unless foreign relations are maintained. Even if its for relief funds.

 

[Gayle_Force]

countries make these decision based on relations that are formed. The person involved in maintaining that relation is the FM who is currently Bilawal. If Pir saab was FM, relations with USA particularly were bad enough that any funds they would had send would had been less. Infact, how foreign relations work is that if our FM maintains good relations with a super power, that super power can ask international organizations to give funds easily or in larger amounts.

So yes, the relations matters.

When Shaukat Tarin tried to sabotage the the IMF deal through KPK and Punjab, our bureaucracy stood up to him because they knew how much of a problem that would had created on our international relations with IMF.

No country hands out money until unless foreign relations are maintained. Even if its for relief funds.

These are funds for aide to support the people in need not to support Pakistan’s economy or to invest in Pakistan. FM has nothing really to do with this. You seem knowledgeable enough to know this. Unless, it’s literally an enemy country most countries will donate when other countries face such challenges. For example, when Haiti was hit with a massive earthquake, several countries made donations and helped out. No one looked at who the FM was before deciding to help.

 

[offstump]

It’s a bit of a stretch to suggest that another FM wouldn’t be able to secure these funds. Even in the worst of relations, humanitarian aid comes in. Relations matter but not so much when it comes to things like this.

 

[Major]

These are funds for aide to support the people in need not to support Pakistan’s economy or to invest in Pakistan. FM has nothing really to do with this. You seem knowledgeable enough to know this. Unless, it’s literally an enemy country most countries will donate when other countries face such challenges. For example, when Haiti was hit with a massive earthquake, several countries made donations and helped out. No one looked at who the FM was before deciding to help.

Again, no country has an obiligation to provide us aid. If there was an obligation or coubtries were so supporting thatn the refugee crises we see in countries like afghanistan or rohingya muslims wouldnt had existed.

Relations matter, if we go back in history one of the reasons why east pakistan was not given assistance when the cyclone hit was because east pakistan was looked as a country that was more inclined towards communism thus, it got little funds even during relief.

Anyways, if you are interested you can google foreign relief aid and foreign relations and you wil get studies that talk about the factors involved when relief aid in humanitarian crises is given. money isnt given out blindly.

Anyways, cheer up, the money would be used to help pakistan. You dont have to take this personally against pti.

I was not even interested in such topics, but kkwc kept going about this in the other thread that much did bilawal achieve, and he knew he is fm. Now when the numbers are more his views are above there for eveyone to see.

 

[Major]

It’s a bit of a stretch to suggest that another FM wouldn’t be able to secure these funds. Even in the worst of relations, humanitarian aid comes in. Relations matter but not so much when it comes to things like this.

You are right. Lets make shaukat tarin the FM next than watch him get humanitarian aid from international organizations, even though he was ready to commit treason by going against one organization....

 

[Gayle_Force]

Again, no country has an obiligation to provide us aid. If there was an obligation or coubtries were so supporting thatn the refugee crises we see in countries like afghanistan or rohingya muslims wouldnt had existed.

Relations matter, if we go back in history one of the reasons why east pakistan was not given assistance when the cyclone hit was because east pakistan was looked as a country that was more inclined towards communism thus, it got little funds even during relief.

Anyways, if you are interested you can google foreign relief aid and foreign relations and you wil get studies that talk about the factors involved when relief aid in humanitarian crises is given. money isnt given out blindly.

Anyways, cheer up, the money would be used to help pakistan. You dont have to take this personally against pti.

I was not even interested in such topics, but kkwc kept going about this in the other thread that much did bilawal achieve, and he knew he is fm. Now when the numbers are more his views are above there for eveyone to see.

I am definitely relieved that Pakistan is receiving aide in time of dire need. Politicization of this aide should not happen. I would say the same thing if PTI or IK decided to personally take credit of such aide by foreign countries.

 

[Major]

I am definitely relieved that Pakistan is receiving aide in time of dire need. Politicization of this aide should not happen. I would say the same thing if PTI or IK decided to personally take credit of such aide by foreign countries.

and i agree with your view point, there shouldn't be politicization of this

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

and i agree with your view point, there shouldn't be politicization of this

You’re the one politicizing tho by saying as if Bilawal got them personally

 

[MenInG]

FM "collects" money for Pakistan because countries donate to Pakistan

Imran Khan collects money from Pakistanis which Bilawal mian would not be able to do.

Difference is in the drawing power of both.

I think your point is lost because you are trying to show that Bilawal has some sort of personal charisma to do this - he doesn't. Govs are donating to Pakistan and not to Bilawal.

 

[MenInG]

Pakistan Foreign Minister Bilawal Bhutto Zardari on Tuesday collected about Rs1.03 trillion from the member countries of the United Nations (UN) just in one hour.

According to the 24News HD TV channel, after the appeal of Foreign Minister Bilawal, America gave Rs6.5 billion in donations to Pakistan for the help of flood affectees.

On the appeal of Bilawal, the member states of the UN including the World Bank, Asian Development Bank, World Health Organization, UNICEF, Red Crescent and Red Cross responded positively.

While China, Turkey, America, United Kingdom, Azerbaijan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates and other countries also announced immediate aid after Bilawal’s appeal.

The channel report said that in addition to the cash assistance, the UN member countries have also provided aid in tents, medicines, food and other necessary and important items for the flood-hit people in Pakistan.

https://www.24newshd.tv/30-Aug-2022...tr-in-donations-from-un-countries-in-one-hour

Pakistan People’s Party Chairman and Foreign Minister Bilawal Bhutto Zardari has been assured of $592 million (Rs130 billion) from United Nations member countries in a duration of one hour for the assistance of flood victims.

According to a PPP announcement Tuesday, on the request of Bilawal Bhutto Zardari, the United Nations issued a flash appeal Tuesday for $160 million to Pakistan, while World Bank and Asian Development Bank also responded positively.

The PPP statement said the World Health Organisation, the United Nations International Children’s Emergency Fund (UNICEF) Red Crescent and Red Cross had also responded positively to the foreign minister’s appeal. Other countries, including China, Turkey, USA, Kuwait, UK, Azerbaijan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and UAE, also announced immediate aid.

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Just so we are clear why.

 

[Major]

FM "collects" money for Pakistan because countries donate to Pakistan

Imran Khan collects money from Pakistanis which Bilawal mian would not be able to do.

Difference is in the drawing power of both.

I think your point is lost because you are trying to show that Bilawal has some sort of personal charisma to do this - he doesn't. Govs are donating to Pakistan and not to Bilawal.

Well he does. He is the face of Pakistan in international affairs. No one gives out money in relief programs. You need a person to do the appeal to other nations.

If appeal to nations didnt work than the Pakistani cricket team that has been wearing the black arm band would mean nothing.

I understand due to political reasons you guys can't praise Bilawal.

PTI > Pakistan

 

[Major]

Pakistan People’s Party Chairman and Foreign Minister Bilawal Bhutto Zardari has been assured of $592 million (Rs130 billion) from United Nations member countries in a duration of one hour for the assistance of flood victims.

According to a PPP announcement Tuesday, on the request of Bilawal Bhutto Zardari, the United Nations issued a flash appeal Tuesday for $160 million to Pakistan, while World Bank and Asian Development Bank also responded positively.

The PPP statement said the World Health Organisation, the United Nations International Children’s Emergency Fund (UNICEF) Red Crescent and Red Cross had also responded positively to the foreign minister’s appeal. Other countries, including China, Turkey, USA, Kuwait, UK, Azerbaijan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and UAE, also announced immediate aid.

==

Just so we are clear why.

good to know UN acted upon Bilalwals request.

Already proving to be a very important FM for this country.

 

[Varun]

Let's be real - both Imran Khan and Bilawal Bhutto have done it for the headlines: my donation is bigger than yours.

It's straight out of the Modi textbook. How much of every rupee trickles down to the people who need it is anybody's guess, and is something said headlines won't cover.

 

[IAJ]

Let's be real - both Imran Khan and Bilawal Bhutto have done it for the headlines: my donation is bigger than yours.

It's straight out of the Modi textbook. How much of every rupee trickles down to the people who need it is anybody's guess, and is something said headlines won't cover.

Lol, how can you even compare IK and Bilawal’s collection?

And btw Bilawal didn’t do anything. UN took the initiative of this and here we are talking about countries, so you can’t compare this at all ok.

It’s only the OP who got so jealous that he had to post something on Bilawal.

 

[ARK Rafay]

Pakistan Foreign Minister Bilawal Bhutto Zardari on Tuesday collected about Rs1.03 trillion from the member countries of the United Nations (UN) just in one hour.

According to the 24News HD TV channel, after the appeal of Foreign Minister Bilawal, America gave Rs6.5 billion in donations to Pakistan for the help of flood affectees.

On the appeal of Bilawal, the member states of the UN including the World Bank, Asian Development Bank, World Health Organization, UNICEF, Red Crescent and Red Cross responded positively.

While China, Turkey, America, United Kingdom, Azerbaijan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates and other countries also announced immediate aid after Bilawal’s appeal.

The channel report said that in addition to the cash assistance, the UN member countries have also provided aid in tents, medicines, food and other necessary and important items for the flood-hit people in Pakistan.

https://www.24newshd.tv/30-Aug-2022...tr-in-donations-from-un-countries-in-one-hour

Incorrect. He has raised billions of dollars from IMF. That should be headline )

 

[MenInG]

good to know UN acted upon Bilalwals request.

Already proving to be a very important FM for this country.

And for PPP to claim this as an achievement when the Govt cant be bothered to mark it as such...

 

[MenInG]

Well he does. He is the face of Pakistan in international affairs. No one gives out money in relief programs. You need a person to do the appeal to other nations.

If appeal to nations didnt work than the Pakistani cricket team that has been wearing the black arm band would mean nothing.

I understand due to political reasons you guys can't praise Bilawal.

PTI > Pakistan

Bhuttos > Pakistan maybe?

 

[Pakpak]

Let's be real - both Imran Khan and Bilawal Bhutto have done it for the headlines: my donation is bigger than yours.

It's straight out of the Modi textbook. How much of every rupee trickles down to the people who need it is anybody's guess, and is something said headlines won't cover.

Except Khan has a long history of charity long before he was in Pakistan. He started with collecting money for his cancer hospital in his post win speech at the 92 final.

 

[IMMY69]

MAjor what are you doing???

I called you out early in this thread and yet you kept going.
Put your hands up and admit you were an wrong and move on

 

[Extra_Cover]

Very misleading title of the thread. Absolutely gobsmacked over here with the intention of the OP. Somehow OP wants to pin Bilawal the FM against Imran Khan and compare their abilities to collect donations.

On one hand we have IK who has been doing great philanthropy all his life and for the past 30 odd years is unmatched in charitable works in Pakistan and is renowned worldwide for such. Some of this efforts include SK Hospital, Namal Uni, 2005 disaster relief program, etc. He even demonstrated his charitable attributes when he was in govt. with sehat card, ehsaas, kamyab jawan, etc. Given this is his personal trait he has achieved massive success in this line of work.

On flip side we have Bilawal. He might be 35 years old whilst IK for past 35 years have been doing philanthropy. The flagbearer of Bhutto dynasty. He does not have one single charitable act attributed to his name yet (don't bring BB income program because when that was initiate Bilawal would have been in nappies). I'm also not sure if Bilawal has spent a single day or earn anything all by himself rather than using Bhutto name. I'm not aware that he did any real job where surname doesn't matter.

Yet we have this guy being compared with IK. Bilawal happened to be a foreign minister working for Shahbaz. So by that token we can attribute these collections to Shahbaz as he would have instructed Bilawal on how to act as Shahbaz has been instructing him of late. So by OP logic Shahbaz has shown great leadership skills by instructing PPP leader Bilawal on how to go about collecting the foreign aid.

 

[Major]

Very misleading title of the thread. Absolutely gobsmacked over here with the intention of the OP. Somehow OP wants to pin Bilawal the FM against Imran Khan and compare their abilities to collect donations.

On one hand we have IK who has been doing great philanthropy all his life and for the past 30 odd years is unmatched in charitable works in Pakistan and is renowned worldwide for such. Some of this efforts include SK Hospital, Namal Uni, 2005 disaster relief program, etc. He even demonstrated his charitable attributes when he was in govt. with sehat card, ehsaas, kamyab jawan, etc. Given this is his personal trait he has achieved massive success in this line of work.

On flip side we have Bilawal. He might be 35 years old whilst IK for past 35 years have been doing philanthropy. The flagbearer of Bhutto dynasty. He does not have one single charitable act attributed to his name yet (don't bring BB income program because when that was initiate Bilawal would have been in nappies). I'm also not sure if Bilawal has spent a single day or earn anything all by himself rather than using Bhutto name. I'm not aware that he did any real job where surname doesn't matter.

Yet we have this guy being compared with IK. Bilawal happened to be a foreign minister working for Shahbaz. So by that token we can attribute these collections to Shahbaz as he would have instructed Bilawal on how to act as Shahbaz has been instructing him of late. So by OP logic Shahbaz has shown great leadership skills by instructing PPP leader Bilawal on how to go about collecting the foreign aid.

What was iks age wheb he started philontrophy? Look at bilalwals age maybe....

Oh wait, what imran did at 45, cant be compared for what bilawal did at this age for his country.

Also if imran is an expert at philontrophy, surely he should match bilalwals work

1.03 trillion!

 

[Major]

Let's be real - both Imran Khan and Bilawal Bhutto have done it for the headlines: my donation is bigger than yours.

It's straight out of the Modi textbook. How much of every rupee trickles down to the people who need it is anybody's guess, and is something said headlines won't cover.

Well you are right, and i admit to that.

Can any pti fan admit this? Nope.

I made this thread when kkwc said what did bilawal do, and after 24 hrs the reasons were x100

 

[Bewal Express]

Pakistan Foreign Minister Bilawal Bhutto Zardari on Tuesday collected about Rs1.03 trillion from the member countries of the United Nations (UN) just in one hour.

According to the 24News HD TV channel, after the appeal of Foreign Minister Bilawal, America gave Rs6.5 billion in donations to Pakistan for the help of flood affectees.

On the appeal of Bilawal, the member states of the UN including the World Bank, Asian Development Bank, World Health Organization, UNICEF, Red Crescent and Red Cross responded positively.

While China, Turkey, America, United Kingdom, Azerbaijan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates and other countries also announced immediate aid after Bilawal’s appeal.

The channel report said that in addition to the cash assistance, the UN member countries have also provided aid in tents, medicines, food and other necessary and important items for the flood-hit people in Pakistan.

https://www.24newshd.tv/30-Aug-2022...tr-in-donations-from-un-countries-in-one-hour

Really? And you believe that.

 

[Bewal Express]

good to know UN acted upon Bilalwals request.

Already proving to be a very important FM for this country.

This is just desperation from you.

 

[IMMY69]

Let's be real - both Imran Khan and Bilawal Bhutto have done it for the headlines: my donation is bigger than yours.

It's straight out of the Modi textbook. How much of every rupee trickles down to the people who need it is anybody's guess, and is something said headlines won't cover.

Let's be real - IK held a telethon and generated income for the poor that were hit by floods without the government mechanisms. The only way this could be done was to do publicise it and then to thank those that donated.

Biliwal, had the government behind him and any foreign minister, whether it is you, me or anyone else sitting as the foreign minister, would have had very little to do to get donations from UN members.

 

[IAJ]

What was iks age wheb he started philontrophy? Look at bilalwals age maybe....

Oh wait, what imran did at 45, cant be compared for what bilawal did at this age for his country.

Also if imran is an expert at philontrophy, surely he should match bilalwals work

1.03 trillion!

Honestly this guy has completly lost it.

1) Bilawal is just living on his Bhutto name, nothings else. He would have been a random guy posting on PP if he was not a Bhutto.

2) You can't give him credit for 1,03 trillion. That has nothing to do with him. Even if I had been FM, I would have been able to do the same and I would only have done what I am supposed to do being a FM.

And you are comparing this to IK work? I am just lost for words, but not surprised since my english is poor.

 

[the Great Khan]

What kind of stupidity is this. Are you an ignorant? The UN made an appeal based on the appeal from the PM of Pakistan who represents the nation. Biloo rani has nothing to do with this. Only trolls or idiots would make such pathetic statements. A lack of basic understanding of geopolitics or politics. Let's not politicise the provision of aid to the nation. Imran appeal was in his capacity as an opposition politician and former PM. In that capacity his collection was beyond anything zardari and other traitorous criminals can collect in opposition.

 

[Salma_T]

He did it in his capacity as FMnot a private person or a low level member of parliament.

His cousins on the other hand are actually doing stuff to help....so [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] don't compare IK with BBZ....

 

[Vatta]

Bilawal Zardari fan boys, trying to desperatly give credit to Zardari. It is about as credible as powering the Artemis Mega Moon Rocket with flatulence and hot air.

Poor old Misbah's beard is still at it. Vincent van Gogh's ear seems to have done a runner, like Nawaz Thief.

Higly depressing but not unexpectedly, this collection of clowns "running" the country have made a complete horlicks of it. God help every man, woman, child and creature in this catastrophe. I only hope and pray, that the honest and good like IK and the Edhi foundation can make the difference.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Just 1 appeal and 1 Trillion rupees in no time.

 

[Zeshan547]

Just 1 appeal and 1 Trillion rupees in no time.

Who the hell compare Aids given by world countries , governments and world organization to private persons and private organizations charity. OP had his share off stupid threads but this takes the cake. Even a dead stick in FM office would have achieved this instead of Billo Rani.

 

[Major]

Funny to see people having no knowledge on international relations commenting...

Thank you bilawal for helping the country in relief fund.

 

[Major]

He did it in his capacity as FMnot a private person or a low level member of parliament.

His cousins on the other hand are actually doing stuff to help....so [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] don't compare IK with BBZ....

So now you are saying that bilawal is not doing actual stuff?

Getting 1.03 trillion is jot actual stuff.

Oh i see, the money came through cauee of him so it wont count..... Selective relief appreciation....

 

[offstump]

Can’t believe this absurd thread is still going. Bilalawal didn’t get in front of the UN, pick up the mic and start fundraising like they do in the masjid. He also hasn’t turned foreign relations around by 180 degrees a few months into the job. Let’s get real, if you actually did understand foreign relations you would never have started this ridiculous thread. When Bilawal secures a trillion dollar trade deal with multiple countries then start a thread, I’ll be the first one to congratulate him.

 

[basitmian]

Well he is the son of Mr 10%. How much will be his cut?

IK did his fundraising as a political stunt and to get unbanned from live TV. There will be audit trail of the money atleast.

Anyone who think Mr10%’s son has that much influence on UN nation and other countries in couple of month of being FM that they can dish out millions of dollars because of his awesome accent, is naive and grasping for straws to prove his point.

Hope all this money raised is used for poor people and not goes in Swiss banks.

 

[Bewal Express]

Funny to see people having no knowledge on international relations commenting...

Thank you bilawal for helping the country in relief fund.

And you showed your knowledge of foreign relations by starting this thread. Soon you will tell us that Billo spent all the time abroad because he knew the floods were coming and he was starting the fund raising.

 

[insurge]

People shouldn't give this thread much importance. It's a way for these poor guys to cope after taking non stop Ls since their party came into power. Now just like their party, the supporters have to clutch at any straw to justify them being in power. What else are they gonna do? Use their feudal masters' performance in Sindh instead?

 

[Salma_T]

So now you are saying that bilawal is not doing actual stuff?

Getting 1.03 trillion is jot actual stuff.

Oh i see, the money came through cauee of him so it wont count..... Selective relief appreciation....

If a FM doesn't get money after the UN made an announcement would be pretty lousy. Just as if IK had raised money while in power through other countries aid I would hold the same opinion.

You have neglected to acknowledge what the actual Bhuttos are doing in Sindh, on the ground and online fund-raisers!

 

[Major]

And you showed your knowledge of foreign relations by starting this thread. Soon you will tell us that Billo spent all the time abroad because he knew the floods were coming and he was starting the fund raising.

so you are saying FM should sit in Pakistan?

 

[Bewal Express]

so you are saying FM should sit in Pakistan?

Yes, unless there is some urgent business. Which others Countries FMs are always on holiday? The PPP and their members love freebies at the tax payers expense. Has he been to China yet?

 

[Major]

Yes, unless there is some urgent business. Which others Countries FMs are always on holiday? The PPP and their members love freebies at the tax payers expense. Has he been to China yet?

You are saying that a Foreign Minister should sit at home?

Do you even know that the bureaucracy that gets posted in foreign ministry they are posted for 3 years tenure outside of the country and after three years they are posted in another country.

The whole point of foreign ministery, its workers and its minister is that they work with foreign countries and its embassey overseas.

If you knew about foreign ministry, these trips arnt holidays. Its because of these trips and good relations that bilawal has maitained that 1.03 billion was given to us.

Wind back to the cyclone of east pakistan and we varely got anything from overseas because of our relations andnplus the communism and captalism war going on.

 

[MenInG]

I am very shocked by the simplicity of this argument.

 

[Bewal Express]

You are saying that a Foreign Minister should sit at home?

Do you even know that the bureaucracy that gets posted in foreign ministry they are posted for 3 years tenure outside of the country and after three years they are posted in another country.

The whole point of foreign ministery, its workers and its minister is that they work with foreign countries and its embassey overseas.

If you knew about foreign ministry, these trips arnt holidays. Its because of these trips and good relations that bilawal has maitained that 1.03 billion was given to us.

Wind back to the cyclone of east pakistan and we varely got anything from overseas because of our relations andnplus the communism and captalism war going on.

Your desperation to link aid to a guy that has no presence or personality on the international stage is admirable because you have to justify millions spent on 5 star hotels for no end. You will tell us the Raja Rental went on a important mission to Niagra falls to look at Water Management


Why are you confusing embassy workers with a FM looking for jollies. Surely you know there is a difference between the 2 but from your posts your very confused ,and maybe you don't.

If the FM needs to talk to embassy staff he could use things like Teams-Have you heard of video conferencing. It's an amazing invention and it saves money, especially when you have to borrow money from the IMF.

 

[Bewal Express]

You are saying that a Foreign Minister should sit at home?

Do you even know that the bureaucracy that gets posted in foreign ministry they are posted for 3 years tenure outside of the country and after three years they are posted in another country.

The whole point of foreign ministery, its workers and its minister is that they work with foreign countries and its embassey overseas.

If you knew about foreign ministry, these trips arnt holidays. Its because of these trips and good relations that bilawal has maitained that 1.03 billion was given to us.

Wind back to the cyclone of east pakistan and we varely got anything from overseas because of our relations andnplus the communism and captalism war going on.

Has he been to China?

 

[Bewal Express]

I am very shocked by the simplicity of this argument.

Why are you shocked? They couldn't explain his holidays and are desperate to show something that he has been successful in.

 

[Extra_Cover]

I'm shocked at OP's responses. The way he has big up Bilawal is cringeworthy. According to OP Bilawal is the pinnacle of foreign relations and we are lucky to have Bilawal as our FM.

So with that in mind couple of questions from my side. Given that Bilawal has an amazing understanding with foreign counterparts can he used this power to work out a settlement between Israel and Palestine? Can Bilawal work his magic and have Kashmir issue resolved? Can he use his connections to avail cheap oil from Russia whilst still maximising US investments in Pakistan?

I feel pity for the OP he has to defend this PDM show which frankly isn't defensible. If we are to believe in true democracy then majority votes would be final whether someone likes it or not. On this thread the majority posters have spoken and thrashed Bilawal's ability as FM. On that note whether OP likes it or not on democracy grounds Bilawal is a nobody except someone with a surname of Bhutto.

 

[Major]

I'm shocked at OP's responses. The way he has big up Bilawal is cringeworthy. According to OP Bilawal is the pinnacle of foreign relations and we are lucky to have Bilawal as our FM.

So with that in mind couple of questions from my side. Given that Bilawal has an amazing understanding with foreign counterparts can he used this power to work out a settlement between Israel and Palestine? Can Bilawal work his magic and have Kashmir issue resolved? Can he use his connections to avail cheap oil from Russia whilst still maximising US investments in Pakistan?

I feel pity for the OP he has to defend this PDM show which frankly isn't defensible. If we are to believe in true democracy then majority votes would be final whether someone likes it or not. On this thread the majority posters have spoken and thrashed Bilawal's ability as FM. On that note whether OP likes it or not on democracy grounds Bilawal is a nobody except someone with a surname of Bhutto.

Irael - palestine issue is not our issue, it is not pakistans problem to solve or even meddle in it. We paid the price of gary powers in the UN.

As for kashmir issue, it can only be solved and get attention when there is chaos, when modi removed the special status of kashmir, in the behind scenes, pakistani govt were celebrating this, as shimla agreement was revoked and pakistan was no more bounded. Right now pakistan is doing two things fo kashmir, one is that enough attention is bought on it. Kpl only exists to bring attention to kashmir, cricket is just secondary. The other thing pakistan is doing is making sure the new domiciles record is maintained by them.

Thus kashmir issue isnt going to be solved by one fm, its going to be the collective work of our politicians who have to be on the same chap. Infact, one can say kashmir is something establishment looks after and takes future establishment members under the loop. Now question is whether the eatablishment will keep bilawal in the loop or not.

Third, pakistans econoy is dependent on imf which is western backed. Trade with russia means sanctions. No country can stop us from getting cheap oil from russia directly, what will happen is we wont get imf money which is more of a need at the moment.

Also another issue with russian oil is whether taliban allows the pipeline to be made through afghanistan or not.

All these point discussed are off topic and i know after answering them for you, you will sprout some other nonsence against it.

As for your democracy pov, bilawal is an elected mna. Mnas are elected by pakistanis living in pakistan because we have the power to vote and not just talk

 

[Bewal Express]

Irael - palestine issue is not our issue, it is not pakistans problem to solve or even meddle in it. We paid the price of gary powers in the UN.

As for kashmir issue, it can only be solved and get attention when there is chaos, when modi removed the special status of kashmir, in the behind scenes, pakistani govt were celebrating this, as shimla agreement was revoked and pakistan was no more bounded. Right now pakistan is doing two things fo kashmir, one is that enough attention is bought on it. Kpl only exists to bring attention to kashmir, cricket is just secondary. The other thing pakistan is doing is making sure the new domiciles record is maintained by them.

Thus kashmir issue isnt going to be solved by one fm, its going to be the collective work of our politicians who have to be on the same chap. Infact, one can say kashmir is something establishment looks after and takes future establishment members under the loop. Now question is whether the eatablishment will keep bilawal in the loop or not.

Third, pakistans econoy is dependent on imf which is western backed. Trade with russia means sanctions. No country can stop us from getting cheap oil from russia directly, what will happen is we wont get imf money which is more of a need at the moment.

Also another issue with russian oil is whether taliban allows the pipeline to be made through afghanistan or not.

All these point discussed are off topic and i know after answering them for you, you will sprout some other nonsence against it.

As for your democracy pov, bilawal is an elected mna. Mnas are elected by pakistanis living in pakistan because we have the power to vote and not just talk

Has Billo been to China?

 

[Gayle_Force]

Irael - palestine issue is not our issue, it is not pakistans problem to solve or even meddle in it. We paid the price of gary powers in the UN.

As for kashmir issue, it can only be solved and get attention when there is chaos, when modi removed the special status of kashmir, in the behind scenes, pakistani govt were celebrating this, as shimla agreement was revoked and pakistan was no more bounded. Right now pakistan is doing two things fo kashmir, one is that enough attention is bought on it. Kpl only exists to bring attention to kashmir, cricket is just secondary. The other thing pakistan is doing is making sure the new domiciles record is maintained by them.

Thus kashmir issue isnt going to be solved by one fm, its going to be the collective work of our politicians who have to be on the same chap. Infact, one can say kashmir is something establishment looks after and takes future establishment members under the loop. Now question is whether the eatablishment will keep bilawal in the loop or not.

Third, pakistans econoy is dependent on imf which is western backed. Trade with russia means sanctions. No country can stop us from getting cheap oil from russia directly, what will happen is we wont get imf money which is more of a need at the moment.

Also another issue with russian oil is whether taliban allows the pipeline to be made through afghanistan or not.

All these point discussed are off topic and i know after answering them for you, you will sprout some other nonsence against it.

As for your democracy pov, bilawal is an elected mna. Mnas are elected by pakistanis living in pakistan because we have the power to vote and not just talk

Didn’t Bilawal call this parliament selected? Why is he part of a selected parliament? Also, didn’t Bilawal call Nawaz a ghaddar? Than why does he accept his brother as the PM?

 

[Major]

Has Billo been to China?

Lol, bilwals first visit was china when he became fm

https://www.dawn.com/news/1690935

 

[Bewal Express]

Lol, bilwals first visit was china when he became fm

https://www.dawn.com/news/1690935

And since? Surely you visit you main ally more than once. Because all he has done is to go on holiday. So where did he go? Don't tell me it's Switzerland

 

[MenInG]

Bro Major 100% to you for standing your ground but this is a pretty awful way to big up Bilawal.

He has nothing to with this aid as it being done at a state level.

 

[Major]

Bro Major 100% to you for standing your ground but this is a pretty awful way to big up Bilawal.

He has nothing to with this aid as it being done at a state level.

had this been PTI's govt, wouldn't there fans attributed the credit to Imran or his FM?

KKWC specifically asked me about how much bilawal did and I made this thread in response to it.

 

[MenInG]

had this been PTI's govt, wouldn't there fans attributed the credit to Imran or his FM?

KKWC specifically asked me about how much bilawal did and I made this thread in response to it.

They would say Pakistan.

This is a very simple situation bro

Imran Khan is NOT a gov functionary

The equivalent would be if Bilawal also held a telethon. That would be a like for like.

 

[Bewal Express]

They would say Pakistan.

This is a very simple situation bro

Imran Khan is NOT a gov functionary

The equivalent would be if Bilawal also held a telethon. That would be a like for like.

They would have to threaten people to contribute to a Telethon. No one i know will ever a contribute a penny to these crooks because they know that it will be stolen.

 

[MenInG]

Lashing out at Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) Chairman Imran Khan, Minister for Foreign Affairs Bilawal Bhutto Zardari on Friday said that Pakistan was facing the biggest disaster in its history but the former prime minister was busy holding "concerts" in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa and Punjab.

“Pakistan is facing the biggest disaster in our history. 1/3 of our country [is] underwater! 1/7 citizens [are] affected, 35 million ppl! [While] Ex-PM is holding concerts in KP & Punjab," he wrote on his official Twitter handle.

He said that the chief ministers of both provinces – Punjab and K-P – were busy organising PTI’s ‘musical event’ instead of helping flood victims. "Shameful, pehaly insan bano, phir siyasatdan bano! (become a good human first and then a politician)," he advised the former prime minister.

During his address at a public gathering in Gujrat earlier in the day, Imran Khan warned the incumbent government that his "freedom movement" will march towards Islamabad if ‘political victimisation’ against his party continued.

"I am warning you [PML-N-led coalition government] today, our justice movement will come to Islamabad if you continue to do this [political victimisation] and you will have nowhere to hide," he said.

He lashed out at the government for its alleged use of force on PTI leader Shahbaz Gill, saying that he was stripped naked and tortured.

When the PTI was in power, he went on to say, the opposition's campaign against the government was based on rising inflation. However, during their own tenure, inflation has now reached record levels.

"Bilawal came to Islamabad and said Imran Khan ki kanpen tangengi... for God's sake improve your Urdu first," he said and added that the entire opposition of that time used to say the government had become a slave of the IMF.

 

[Vatta]

Fairplay to Bilawal Zardari that Rs1.03 trillion really came into action to alleviate the suffering, I saw his uncle dishing out 50 rupee notes the other day.

 

[MenInG]

Fairplay to Bilawal Zardari that Rs1.03 trillion really came into action to alleviate the suffering, I saw his uncle dishing out 50 rupee notes the other day.

Think you are missing the point - HE did not do anything. HE did it in the name of the Gov of Pakistan.

 

[Vatta]

Think you are missing the point - HE did not do anything. HE did it in the name of the Gov of Pakistan.

Not at all.

I was ridiculing the clown.

 

[MenInG]

Not at all.

I was ridiculing the clown.

Ok I wouldn't say he is a clown as he is representing our country (which is a problem!)

 

[cric_man]

Apples and Oranges.
Bilawal went to the UN donor conference as Pakistan's Foreign Ambassador. The UN donor countries "pledged" the monies to Pakistan not Bilawal.

Bilawal claiming credit for doing anything to influence the decision personally is like Musharraf claiming that all the aid we got after the 2005 earthquakes was due to his doing...

OP is just clutching at straws trying to out do IK's personal outreach.

 

[Usman]

There are two people delighted with this news. One is [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] and the other is Bilawal’s estate agent. Time for another round of foreign property buying. Thanks UN buddies, Bilawal will be very grateful.

 

[topspin]

[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION]

Firstly, I agree we have to give credit to Bilawal for raising 1tn rupees. PTI fans are showing their true colours here.

First they were criticising the government for not doing enough and now they're still crying. Most of them are so ignorant it's unbelievable. They think it's that simple to steal that money for yourself.

I mean sure it may not be a 100% donation policy however IMF and the donors would want some kind of guarantee (with sufficient evidence) that the agreed percentage of the fund has gone to those needed.

My question is there an audit which can prove where the money has to gone?

 

[Bewal Express]

[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION]

Firstly, I agree we have to give credit to Bilawal for raising 1tn rupees. PTI fans are showing their true colours here.

First they were criticising the government for not doing enough and now they're still crying. Most of them are so ignorant it's unbelievable. They think it's that simple to steal that money for yourself.

I mean sure it may not be a 100% donation policy however IMF and the donors would want some kind of guarantee (with sufficient evidence) that the agreed percentage of the fund has gone to those needed.

My question is there an audit which can prove where the money has to gone? .

https://tribune.com.pk/story/187323...ounts-bogus-companies-trail-ill-gotten-wealth

 

[Bewal Express]

@<a href="http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/member.php?u=135038" target="_blank">Major</a>

Firstly, I agree we have to give credit to Bilawal for raising 1tn rupees. PTI fans are showing their true colours here.

First they were criticising the government for not doing enough and now they're still crying. Most of them are so ignorant it's unbelievable. They think it's that simple to steal that money for yourself.

I mean sure it may not be a 100% donation policy however IMF and the donors would want some kind of guarantee (with sufficient evidence) that the agreed percentage of the fund has gone to those needed.

My question is there an audit which can prove where the money has to gone? .

Calm down mate. You make less sense than Major. And explain this?

 

[Major]

[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION]

Firstly, I agree we have to give credit to Bilawal for raising 1tn rupees. PTI fans are showing their true colours here.

First they were criticising the government for not doing enough and now they're still crying. Most of them are so ignorant it's unbelievable. They think it's that simple to steal that money for yourself.

I mean sure it may not be a 100% donation policy however IMF and the donors would want some kind of guarantee (with sufficient evidence) that the agreed percentage of the fund has gone to those needed.

My question is there an audit which can prove where the money has to gone? That can shut up some of these PTI cult followers.

Agpr. Pakistan has a govt organization called agpr that collects and records money coming in.

Its a govt dept run by the bureaucracy.

 

[Major]

There are two people delighted with this news. One is [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] and the other is Bilawal’s estate agent. Time for another round of foreign property buying. Thanks UN buddies, Bilawal will be very grateful.

Money coming in is recorded by agpr.

 

[MenInG]

No surprises there.

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The National Assembly standing committee on Poverty Alleviation and Social Safety on Friday grilled the Benazir Income Support Programme (BISP) over complaints that money donated for flood victims had not yet been distributed to the people it was intended for.
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The committee members sounded alarms that a large number of people in Balochistan and Sindh were complaining that they had not received the payments.

“What kind of donation is this when the victim himself is unaware of the money being distributed to him?” the panel’s chairperson asked.

He said that victims in Sanghar had not yet received the much-needed money while sharing that he had himself accommodated some of them in his house.

“How can I believe that BISP reached out to the flood affectees in boats and helped them?” he further asked while committee members demanded the flood-affected areas be re-surveyed.

However, BISP authorities present in the meeting maintained that they could not be sure whether all the victims have been paid and told the committee members that the BISP had only received Rs70 billion from the government against their demand of Rs103 billion.

“A total of Rs70 billion was given to the flood victims by the Finance Division, which has been distributed," they said.

The body was informed that more than 270,000 people have been given money out of whom more than 25,00,000 have withdrawn the funds already, the officials said.

The authorities are making payments to the flood victims on the basis of their CNIC and as for the people whose CNICs have expired, they were also getting payments.

 

[gazza619]

Horrible news!

More properties to purchase in Dubai, London or whatever other place they desire.

Exactly! Our establishment to get richer.