shah_1
Senior T20I Player
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He is such a misfit for T20 cricket
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Rizwan was disappointing with the bat today but he still outperformed the top order. That said, he did not look comfortable opening the batting. Could be tried at 4 or 5 instead.
Hafeez 0
Shafique 0
Haider 3
But let's all talk about Rizwans 17 runs lol
If you think about it, he at least got a start right? Like I wouldn’t be bumping this if he went out for a duck - that tells us very little about how he builds an innings within the powerplay. Just one ball’s worth of data, so the margin of error is really high.
The fact that he stayed for 17 balls gives us 17 balls worth of data about what kind of a T20 batsman he is (as an opener) in addition to the data we already have from the National T20 Cup which would actually have forecast the exact same score (he has an average of 17 in T20I with a SR of 96, which forecasts a 17(17), while his national T20 cup stats indicate he would probably end up at an average of 20(17) in international cricket).
I have a lot of respect for Rizwan the red ball player, but in white ball I just have no idea where in the batting order to hide him (especially in T20 cricket).
For the team’s sake, I do hope he improves his power hitting as that gives us a lot more stability. For now, we’ll have to look elsewhere.
I’m sorry mate, how is Zeeshan Ashraf a hack?Thing is there is no other alternative. Playing Sarfraz is akin to taking two step backwards. And at his age its hard to imagine Sarfraz's batting evolving. The others are either not ready for international cricket or just plain hacks like Zeeshan Ashraf. And I don't see Zeeshan Ashraf making any major difference as batsman. Rather if he fails as a keeper it will end up costing the side more.
Rizwan has shown he can improve. Look at where he was when he was in 2015-16 and where he is now. He may not have established himself in ODIs but the centuries against Australia in UAE showed he has what it takes to thrive at the top level. In tests he has established himself. Just needs to find his footing in T20Is too. I don't see the harm in giving him the long rope for now. If he is to improve in this format it can only happen by playing at the highest level.
I’m sorry mate, how is Zeeshan Ashraf a hack?
People are always bashing Rizwan because he cannot bat like Buttler or Bairstow but they fail to realize that he is by far the best keeper in the country and there is no explosive T20 batsman in the country who can step in his shoes.
Azam Khan has batting potential but he is still very raw and needs FC experience. Moreover, there are a lot of question marks over his keeping.
There is no way he can be an agile keeper with that physique. He is going to cost a lot of byes and you would always need a first slip for him because there is no way he is going to be quick enough to go for diving catches especially against pacers.
Azam Khan needs to give up his keeping aspirations if he cannot get any leaner than he is now, and that might not be possible anyway because he is big boned.
He needs to focus on becoming a specialist batsman because there is good potential there.

No one is expecting him to reach Butler level but SR of 97 is pretty poor for even a minnow country like Pakistan![]()
That is because we don’t have a single proper WK batsmen for LOI cricket.
Rizwan is one of the best keepers in the world. Is dropping him for a vastly inferior keeper but slightly better batsman worth it? I would say no.
That is because we don’t have a single proper WK batsmen for LOI cricket.
Rizwan is one of the best keepers in the world. Is dropping him for a vastly inferior keeper but slightly better batsman worth it? I would say no.
Anyone who has seen him bat can tell he is a hack
Anyone who has seen him bat can tell he is a hack
This regardless of what the token Sarafarz fan in this thread says

His best position is no 11. Play him as a specalist keeper![]()
A good poster suggested that he should play as a floating number 10. Best way of utilising his talents
Doesnt get picked for his PSL team but he's good enough to open for PCT
If they want to open with someone new might aswell send Fahim up again, he loves to cut and pull so it would be ideal for him
Rizwarner Should concentrate on Tests
Fans should accept we are mediocre and our fortunes cannot change, and we should also accept Rizwan as our keeper batsman because he is the best keeper in the world.
Wah jee wah
Or fans can find Aladdin’s lamp in a cave, rub it and ask the genie for a Buttler or a Bairstow to emerge in Pakistan.
Thats Azhar Ali all over again - doesnt gets picked for PCT yet captains the LQ T20I side, what a farce that was. Rizwan is not fit for T20Is period!
Who’s demanding Butler/ Bairstow? We don’t want garbage Rizwan political plant to embarrass us any further. It isn’t hard to be better than him as a T20 keeper/bat
Rizwan is also welcome to captain Zalmi. We have had enough of Wahab and one-legged Sammy.
He is among the top 3 keepers in the world and you are calling him garbage. Along with Babar and Shaheen, he is the only quality all-format cricketer in the country. All-format because keeping skills do not change from format to format.
You are acting as if Pakistan is an elite cricket nation that is overflowing with quality cricketers.
I don’t know how hard it is to be a better WK batsman than him in T20 cricket, but apparently it is seriously hard for Pakistan to produce one when you look at the alternatives.
Would be a solid transfer if it happens considering Kamran Akmal is almost finished and Zalmi needs a captain as well.
Typical Rizwan f@nboy chat. ‘The bare minimum will do, just the bare minimum’.
He can’t bat as a T20 player...oh dear...but he is the top 3 keepers in the world (a fabricated claim made by the same f@nboys).
Just admit it Mamoon. You are compelled to back him because of some clan loyalty, he’s a garbage T20 player and we are being fed him simply because of political agendas in the PCB!
Rizwan and Sarfraz are only with the team until Azam Khan is ready.
I don't care if Rizwan is preferred over Sarfraz but he has to play as a specialist WK unless the batting collapses, then he can be used to stabilize the innings from one end.
What clan loyalty? Don’t bring that rubbish. In spite of the “clan loyalty”, I never liked Younis, considered Yasir to be better than Ashwin, Jadeja and Lyon and have been vocal in my criticism of Junaid. I have not exhibited any bias for Pathan/Peshawar players.
You dislike Rizwan, I get it. However, that won’t change the fact that he is a top keeper and right up there with the best in the world when it comes to glove-work.
He is not a high class batsman but Pakistan has no alternatives. Provide a list of WK batsman that you think can replace him in white ball cricket.
Zeeshan Ashraf, Azam Khan are both better T20 batsmen than him. Zeeshan Ashraf has shown on a number of occasions that he can open the innings, play against decent pace and play proper cricket strokes and that too at a very good strike rate. Azam Khan outperformed Shoaib Malik (one of the most prolific T20 cricketers ever) at the LPL. His strike rate was also 188 in that tournament whereas Malik went at 125 odd. A natural six hitter who could out perform Rizwan in a matter of 10-15 balls. Unless you have clear proof that Azam’s keeping was below par and cost his franchise any runs/games, it is not fair of you to claim that his keeping will never be ready.
Anything will do over this joke of a T20 player that is Rizwan and his 96 strike rate.
A part of me wants Zeeshan Ashraf selected purely to see his hacks and dropped catches. It's the only way for that mediocrity to be exposed. Rizwan has atleast scored big against teams like England and Australia with unreal bowling attacks.
Azam cannot keep at the top level, Zeeshan Ashraf is average. Not a quality batsman and his keeping is not even close to Rizwan’s.
So in short you didn’t name any names. Rizwan is the best we have got at this point and you need to accept it.
Yeah casually change the format to suit your agenda. This is a discussion on T20, not ODI and Test cricket
I didn't want to embarrass the T20 specialist too much by mentioning that Rizwan outperformed him comfortably in his best format in the recently concluded domestic NT20 with both bat and gloves
Post those stats and let’s see if they are mis leading.
Rizwan
Runs: 389
Best 99*
Average: 38.9
Strike Rate: 127.96
4 50s
41 4s
13 6s
Zeeshan Ashraf
Runs: 261
Best 73
Average 26.1
Strike Rate: 147.45
2 50s
25 4s
13 6s
The T20 specialist can't even hit more boundaries than the so called test specialist.
The only thing Zeeshan has going for him is his S/R because he hacked a few times then got out leaving his team in trouble. At the end of the day Rizwan captained his team to the trophy and finished fourth highest scorer
It is quite possible. Rizwan will not put up with this treatment next season because he is now an established international cricketer and can get into most other franchises.
How much more evidence do we need that Mohammad Rizwan is not a white ball batsman ?
He is incapable of clearing the infield.
Thing is there is no other alternative. Playing Sarfraz is akin to taking two step backwards. And at his age its hard to imagine Sarfraz's batting evolving. The others are either not ready for international cricket or just plain hacks like Zeeshan Ashraf. And I don't see Zeeshan Ashraf making any major difference as batsman. Rather if he fails as a keeper it will end up costing the side more.
Rizwan has shown he can improve. Look at where he was when he was in 2015-16 and where he is now. He may not have established himself in ODIs but the centuries against Australia in UAE showed he has what it takes to thrive at the top level. In tests he has established himself. Just needs to find his footing in T20Is too. I don't see the harm in giving him the long rope for now. If he is to improve in this format it can only happen by playing at the highest level.
He is among the top 3 keepers in the world and you are calling him garbage. Along with Babar and Shaheen, he is the only quality all-format cricketer in the country. All-format because keeping skills do not change from format to format.
You are acting as if Pakistan is an elite cricket nation that is overflowing with quality cricketers.
I don’t know how hard it is to be a better WK batsman than him in T20 cricket, but apparently it is seriously hard for Pakistan to produce one when you look at the alternatives.
I didn't want to embarrass the T20 specialist too much by mentioning that Rizwan outperformed him comfortably in his best format in the recently concluded domestic NT20 with both bat and gloves
Rizwan should be nicknamed Burnol considering the affect he has on so many posters.
Anyway as Mamoon said above, hope he comes home to Peshawar Zalmi where he will finally get the respect that he deserves. Great guy, good captain, world class wicket keeper, best wicket keeping batsman in Pakistan with zero competition.
Rizwan is better than Walton who is average with both bat and gloves. Imad is being unnecessarily egoistic about Rizwan’s selection. Rizwan became one of the most popular players in Pakistan over the English summer and he wasn’t picked by KK in the PSL play-offs only because KK management wanted to defend their decision of preferring Walton to him.
Rizwan doesn’t deserve this toxic treatment. I would love to see him move to his home franchise Zalmi so that Kamran can focus on his batting full-time and continue to bash PSL’s low quality bowlers.
Rizwan should be nicknamed Burnol considering the affect he has on so many posters.
Anyway as Mamoon said above, hope he comes home to Peshawar Zalmi where he will finally get the respect that he deserves. Great guy, good captain, world class wicket keeper, best wicket keeping batsman in Pakistan with zero competition.
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. Even Afg, Zim, Ire and Scotland won't play him in T20Is.Interesting how this same contingent was so vocal when rest of us said the same thing about Sarfraz. Now they are the ones parroting this narrative, and I agree with them. However, neither Sarfraz nor the team management at the time was dumb enough to send him to open. Hiding behind tail-enders was much smarter than this freakshow we are forced to watch.Fans should accept we are mediocre and our fortunes cannot change, and we should also accept Rizwan as our keeper batsman because he is the best keeper in the world.
Wah jee wah
Interesting how this same contingent was so vocal when rest of us said the same thing about Sarfraz. Now they are the ones parroting this narrative, and I agree with them. However, neither Sarfraz nor the team management at the time was dumb enough to send him to open. Hiding behind tail-enders was much smarter than this freakshow we are forced to watch.

Sarfraz had better output than Rizwan with the bat, not withstanding the last few years where he completely lost the plot. Sarfraz lost his form, got dropped as it should be. Rizwan should be booted out too, time to try someone else in LOI cricket.Because Sarfraz was never a world class WK and it was obvious by 2017 ODI series in Australia that Rizwan is a superior WK.
Today, in 2020-21, there are no alternatives to Rizwan because no one else is remotely close to his WK skills and they are not big improvements with the bat either.
Wow so you all hate Rizwan. Very few supporters here. Interesting![]()
Rizwan is not good enough for a franchise team in PSL yet he is opening for Pakistan.
On top of that, he is probably the most embarrassing batsman to watch in LOIs. Hardly middles anything, slices it most of the time and then starts running like a headless chicken only to realize halfway down the pitch that non striker is not responding. Even Afg, Zim, Ire and Scotland won't play him in T20Is.
A hack would work in T20s. If he can slog 20-30 with a good SR that’s his job done. Rizwan is a proper batsman but he can’t hit and that much is obvious. Keep him for test and ODIs but we need someone new for T20s. Zeeshan Ashraf ,Bismillah Khan and even Mohammad Haris/Azam Khan are better suited to the shortest format.
What defines a hack? Someone who plays across the line and looks to play everything on the leg side?
I wish the others would do the bare minimum too if that's the case
Haider has flopped and so has Abdullah. Rizwan should be the least of anyone's worry considering he still does his primary job with supreme excellence which is his keeping
World Wicket Keeper Batsmen:
Quinton DeQock
KL Rahul
Tim Seifert
Jos Butler
Mathew Wade
Kusal Perera
Nicholas Pooran
Mushfiqur Rahim
Pakistan wicket keeper: Mohammad Rizwan
Oh God, when will the torture end?
Better keeper than all of those guys except QdK, who is on par with him.
Agree with youI love Rizwan the Test player. He’s just not cut out for T20Is. And rather than going back to Sarfaraz, I’d rather give a go at Rohail, Zeeshan, or Azam.
Are you sure
Stop becoming a troller. We should criticise or discuss what somebody had done right or wrong but talking lies is a proof of a troller.Yeah, to drop not catch Kane when he is on 0*
Stop becoming a troller. We should criticise or discuss what somebody had done right or wrong but talking lies is a proof of a troller.
When Haris Rauf caught the edge of Williamson it went straight to first slip but Shadab had put Khushdil at second slip which was much wider. The reason Haris Rauf was angry was due to bad positioning of Khushdil because at the end the ball was much closer to Khushdil than Rizwan. A very high quality slip fielder like Stokes might have dived for it but it would have required some flamboyance. So please please stop trolling. It is a request because some people do not watch matches but they read pakpassion and get misinformed.
You are not replying to me. You are implying everything and writing on your judgement. Apart from Rizwan's fans and Sarfraz's fans there are also some Pakistan cricket team fans who want every player to do well and merit to be promoted. I have not defended Rizwan the T20 batsmen and I will not because he is not suited for it. So is Sarfraz. And Rohail is also suited for longer formats. The world is full of different people and different mindsets so stop implying stuff.Oh gosh it seems the Rizwan fans are all masters of the art of English literature or the interpretation of the Arabic art of exaggeration!
When you cannot justify how Rizwan is misplaced in this format, let’s make the excuse that he is the “top 3 keepers in the world”. So then do what a world class keeper would do if it was his call to widen the first slip!
Calling out Rizwan for being out of place in T20 Cricket is not trolling, it’s an opinion.
Yeah, to drop not catch Kane when he is on 0*