Forfeit the match versus India in the T20 World Cup as a protest - hit them where it hurts

[Poseidon]

I say this becoz its been a decade and ICC dont acknowledge our efforts for safety and security for touring teams, they just care about money, so hit them where it hurts.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Will be a terrific move. Would salute pcb if they do it. Hopefully they do.

 

[The cricket enthusiast]

Agree. Totally a toothless institution .

 

[KingKhanWC]

This is self harm.

India is no great T20 team. Crush them and go win the cup.

This cowardly act by NZ is all political, Pakistan can use other methods against this small nation.

 

[moghul]

does not make any sense, even a school boy wont agree to that .

we have to act and behave like a mature nation

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Do it, stop letting them profit from you every time making you play India like you are a dancing monkey. Pull out of the match just before toss and make them understand there are consequences.

 

[Rana]

About time we hold our own.

 

[dildilpak]

What can ICC do if NZ or any other member nation dont want to tour citing security reason? Its a slippery slope- they cannot guarantee personal safety for any team, nor can they force anybody to play for fear of being sued.

Having said that, what ICC can do is have a clear reimbursement formula in such scenarios. Hope PCB was wise enough to take proper insurances else they are looking at huge losses

I understand the sentiment, but such knee-jerk reactions will only isolate Pakistan more.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Agree with this. They make a mockery out of Pakistan when it comes to touring but then place us in the same group when it comes to ICC events because its a money spinner.

 

[shujaatraza]

I say this becoz its been a decade and ICC dont acknowledge our efforts for safety and security for touring teams, they just care about money, so hit them where it hurts.

The only thing that will come out from this is India will be gifted 2 points.

 

[Technics 1210]

Agree.

Hit them where it hurts, their pockets.

 

[The_KING]

PCB are a bunch of spineless cowards with zero self respect. They would never do that.

 

[street cricketer]

Fully support this. Kohli is a huge panauti and it's highly probable that the world cup streak can end under his captaincy. At least, it would remain alive if Pakistan forfeits and Kohli will be replaced as a captain after the tournament anyway.

 

[Poseidon]

This is self harm.

India is no great T20 team. Crush them and go win the cup.

This cowardly act by NZ is all political, Pakistan can use other methods against this small nation.

it took decade plus of our work to make our reputation to host top 3 teams, but its gone now, we cant negotiate ICC with this mindset , they only understand the language of money, so teach them a lesson, surely we will loose couple of points, but thres no cost of Self respect . if you dont respect yourself thn other also wont do it .

 

[JaDed]

Fully support this. Kohli is a huge panauti and it's highly probable that the world cup streak can end under his captaincy. At least, it would remain alive if Pakistan forfeits and Kohli will be replaced as a captain after the tournament anyway.

I thought the same damn )

 

[Rana]

it took decade plus of our work to make our reputation to host top 3 teams, but its gone now, we cant negotiate ICC with this mindset , they only understand the language of money, so teach them a lesson, surely we will loose couple of points, but thres no cost of Self respect . if you dont respect yourself thn other also wont do it .

We will be left to fend on our own my friend. No one will lend as a helping hand. Need to be pragmatic here

 

[Saurav]

Hopefully this happens

 

[Saurav]

Fully support this. Kohli is a huge panauti and it's highly probable that the world cup streak can end under his captaincy. At least, it would remain alive if Pakistan forfeits and Kohli will be replaced as a captain after the tournament anyway.

had same thought

 

[Titan24]

Forfeit? No. However, as we know that "intel" of threat to "players life" can come in at any time. If that happens then obviously lives of our players come first and there would be no option but, to opt out of any match in such a case whether its before the toss or just before the bowler or the batsmen are ready.

 

[Ab Fan]

Will support this if it happens. WT20 is anyways pointless and just a money driven tournament.

Looking forward to New Zealand touring India later in the year so we can take the revenge of our padosi brothers by whitewashing them 2-0.

 

[oatmeal]

There is no easy recourse for PCB to retaliate without sustaining significant damage to itself. ICC is not going to penalise NZC because the cancellation was done on security grounds.

In my opinion NZC is not a board which acts in bad faith and cancels tours at the last moment to embarrass the hosts, but they will always play it safe. They must have assessed the threat to be credible and acted to protect their players.

But in this security climate, any minor outfit can start chatter about an attack without having any intention of following through. And intelligence sources pick up on that it gets amplified as it goes up the chain

 

[KingKhanWC]

it took decade plus of our work to make our reputation to host top 3 teams, but its gone now, we cant negotiate ICC with this mindset , they only understand the language of money, so teach them a lesson, surely we will loose couple of points, but thres no cost of Self respect . if you dont respect yourself thn other also wont do it .

I get your point.

But beating India would hurt the Indians more.

The better option is whoever doesnt tour, you dont tour them. When Pak tours NZ the crowd is decent, if they are replaced by Zim or Bang it will hurt NZ cricket.

 

[sharmaji]

It'd be a bold move. I wold love to see PCB stare down ICC for all the injustice. Just wearing black bands on sleeves won't make much noise.

But PCB should also be prepared for repercussions. Not just in the tournament (2 points loss to India can be compensated by winning other games) but its relations with ICC and other boards in general.

But it'd be gutsy move, will make the world notice.

 

[sharmaji]

I get your point.

But beating India would hurt the Indians more.

The better option is whoever doesnt tour, you dont tour them. When Pak tours NZ the crowd is decent, if they are replaced by Zim or Bang it will hurt NZ cricket.

What has India got to do with anything? Sure, if there's any trace of Indian involvement in NZ pulling out of the series, go ahead with all the actions you're considering, but until then, why indulge in conspiracy theories?

 

[faisaltep]

First time feeling happy on the way kiwis lost the wc final to England....it is a high time to re watch that match and enjoy the agony of kiwis with revived emotions

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

This is like shooting yourself in the foot. Nothing can be gained from this. NZC or ICC cannot be blamed for this. This edict came from the govt. And ICC has acknowledged Pakistan's efforts on numerous occassions.

This is not about security. That much is clear.

This has larger geo-political imprints all over it. And the troubling thing is that this just might be the start.

 

[mazkhan]

Forfeit could have further repercussions for Pakistan team like being suspended or kicked out of the tournament .

 

[cricketAXEpert]

I say this becoz its been a decade and ICC dont acknowledge our efforts for safety and security for touring teams, they just care about money, so hit them where it hurts.

Bad idea with zero benefits for Pakistan, it will only increase Pakistan's isolation. Be patient, Taliban are in the news now but soon they will be yesterday's news. NZ/Eng/SA/Aus players have all been coming here for PSL. This security excuse will ultimately go away.

 

[KingKhanWC]

What has India got to do with anything? Sure, if there's any trace of Indian involvement in NZ pulling out of the series, go ahead with all the actions you're considering, but until then, why indulge in conspiracy theories?

Its more than possible India is involved. We know it was India which has been conducting attacks in Pak for over a decade now. Their sadness of Taliban taking Afghanistan, may cause them to use other tactics against Pakistan. India still have a few cells in Pakistan , which wont last long now.

 

[Ashmal]

Have to keep emotions in check.
PCB are not in a position to boycott tours or WC matches.

IMO, PCB should ask NZC to provide proof of security threats....and if NZC fail to do it then PCB should sue them for compensation and demand an apology

 

[Major]

lol. Sure go for it.

Icc and nz cricket had nothing to do with it.

Also bcci is a cricket running organization. It doesnt make foreign policies.

Posters heres really dont understand organizations.

 

[Arsal_AK]

What did India do?

 

[Rajdeep]

What has India got to do with anything? Sure, if there's any trace of Indian involvement in NZ pulling out of the series, go ahead with all the actions you're considering, but until then, why indulge in conspiracy theories?

Its called Coping mechanism....blaming India is the easy route to hide the real issue. Though I understand most Pak fans are upset today and some of the posts are perhaps out of emotion. But the poster you quoted dont fall into the category of innocent cricket fan.

 

[sharmaji]

What can I say to this. Its your opinion and you have every right to have one. I can understand where you're coming from. There's too much going on between our countries for seven decades now.

I hope India is not involved in this particular incident though.

Its more than possible India is involved. We know it was India which has been conducting attacks in Pak for over a decade now. Their sadness of Taliban taking Afghanistan, may cause them to use other tactics against Pakistan. India still have a few cells in Pakistan , which wont last long now.

 

[sharmaji]

Its called Coping mechanism....blaming India is the easy route to hide the real issue. Though I understand most Pak fans are upset today and some of the posts are perhaps out of emotion. But the poster you quoted dont fall into the category of innocent cricket fan.

Yes, I can empathise with their pain. Whoever is behind this, it's just unfortunate what happened today.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Nope we go in there with purpose and fire, we are not backing out of this tournament. Don't shake hands with these traitors, go in there and give them a good whooping.

 

[dravidthewall]

Its more than possible India is involved. We know it was India which has been conducting attacks in Pak for over a decade now. Their sadness of Taliban taking Afghanistan, may cause them to use other tactics against Pakistan. India still have a few cells in Pakistan , which wont last long now.

Mentality of guys like you cuz more problem for the country. We Indians have lot of other works to do instead of poking nose on others matter that too for meaning less ODI series.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This is like shooting yourself in the foot. Nothing can be gained from this. NZC or ICC cannot be blamed for this. This edict came from the govt. And ICC has acknowledged Pakistan's efforts on numerous occassions.

This is not about security. That much is clear.

This has larger geo-political imprints all over it. And the troubling thing is that this just might be the start.

It would damage the tournament and all the countries taking part in the WC including NZ and the Big Three who will have been applauding the tour cancellation. Any wins would be cheapened by the absence of a major player in the tournament. It might be a hard pill to swallow but I can see the logic in it.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

Now I’ve heard everything.

It’s like shooting myself in the leg to give someone else a toothache. And saying - so there!

As a lover of the sport I’ll be horrified if Pakistan does this. But as an Indian I’ll be laughing my head off.

So yeah, about this forfeit thingie? So don’t do it.

 

[Mp812]

Forfeit? No. However, as we know that "intel" of threat to "players life" can come in at any time. If that happens then obviously lives of our players come first and there would be no option but, to opt out of any match in such a case whether its before the toss or just before the bowler or the batsmen are ready.

So this intel will come that there is a threat to certain players in UAE and security in UAE cannot be trusted. Is that what you mean?
Imagine how UAE will take this news.
I hope you never attempt to write a book on lines of Dale Carnegie " How to win friends and influence people"

 

[Local.Dada]

So as a protest for Nzl cancelling a tour that has no significance from a super league points due to life threats , the solution is for Pakistan cricketers to boycott playing India in the WT20, give India free points, put their qualification in jeopardy and still play vs Nzl who cancelled the tour

Ekkis topon ka salaam for this logic

 

[KingKhanWC]

Mentality of guys like you cuz more problem for the country. We Indians have lot of other works to do instead of poking nose on others matter that too for meaning less ODI series.

Sure, Indians are innocent angels.

As Pakistanis we have to keep an open mind here.

 

[Local.Dada]

Sure, Indians are innocent angels.

In this situation, I would like to believe they are. If they aren’t I would be surprised how they manage to pull this off as I have always been told on this forum RAW or Raa (as sheikh Rasheed saab calls it) is a halwa agency that has no stature.

 

[Cricketrenew]

No never back down from a game..... Play and win.

 

[Titan24]

So this intel will come that there is a threat to certain players in UAE and security in UAE cannot be trusted. Is that what you mean?
Imagine how UAE will take this news.
I hope you never attempt to write a book on lines of Dale Carnegie " How to win friends and influence people"

When your player’s lives are under threat do you really care how the host country takes that? Not really and do you want me to quote a recently example?

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

When your player’s lives are under threat do you really care how the host country takes that? Not really and do you want me to quote a recently example?

You don't have a clue what's going on.

The decision was made just before the toss for maximum effect. Boycott NZC

 

[JattMaula]

This will certainly teach ICC some lessons.


It may even lead to collapse of icc conducted tournaments which are happening way too much. Cricket will be the winner.

 

[Titan24]

You don't have a clue what's going on.

The decision was made just before the toss for maximum effect. Boycott NZC

Bro you missed the context. Kindly read the whole conversation

My point is that if Pak opts out of Pak vs Ind contest due to the “intel” regarding Pak player’s lives in UAE due to security concerns then it would be fair as player’s lives come first.

 

[wajid]

So this intel will come that there is a threat to certain players in UAE and security in UAE cannot be trusted. Is that what you mean?
Imagine how UAE will take this news.
I hope you never attempt to write a book on lines of Dale Carnegie " How to win friends and influence people"

Are you a super troll? Or just lack perspective and comprehension?

 

[in_cutter]

I say this becoz its been a decade and ICC dont acknowledge our efforts for safety and security for touring teams, they just care about money, so hit them where it hurts.

No thanks. More than anything, such move will hurt Pakistan cricket.

Lets not cry about it and let the neighbours mock us further.

 

[Local.Dada]

This will certainly teach ICC some lessons.


It may even lead to collapse of icc conducted tournaments which are happening way too much. Cricket will be the winner.

That would make BCCI the winner lol. I mean even with ICC people say BCCI runs the show, just imagine with no other monitoring authority.
I don’t think Pakistan fans would prefer that either.

 

[JattMaula]

That would make BCCI the winner lol. I mean even with ICC people say BCCI runs the show, just imagine with no other monitoring authority.
I don’t think Pakistan fans would prefer that either.

No. Icc can stay alive as a rule making body. And to promote cricket in non-cricket nations. It can even represent cricket in Olympic committee.

Nothing more. Maybe publish some rankings once in while or tweet some funny stuff. Wholesale stuff.

 

[Guardian]

I like the approach but you're firing at the wrong target. This decision came from the NZ govt., not their cricketers or board. So our govt. should retaliate by suspending all trade or even expelling their ambassador. That would send a strong message if we make an example out of the Kiwis.

 

[RyanRyan10]

That would make BCCI the winner lol. I mean even with ICC people say BCCI runs the show, just imagine with no other monitoring authority.
I don’t think Pakistan fans would prefer that either.

That will be a good move and NZL might collapse.

 

[Jeetlodil]

In the world T20 wear black bands while playing. Do not shake hands with any team which has decided not to visit Pakistan. NZ , India or any other team.

 

[Marathonrunner]

It is believed that RAW is behind this.

Some think BCCI did it to get viewership of Pakistan fans.

Hilarious, IPL is banned in Pakistan while PSL was telecasted in India .

 

[Lonewarrior]

PCB have no balls to do it .....

 

[Oligochaetes]

Will support this if it happens. WT20 is anyways pointless and just a money driven tournament.

Looking forward to New Zealand touring India later in the year so we can take the revenge of our padosi brothers by whitewashing them 2-0.

That tour will also be cancelled when NZ security detail find a cockroach outside the main gate of their hotel

 

[chinaman00]

Not a bad idea and certainly not a knee-jerk reaction, but rather a calculated strategy. ICC has failed to protect the interests of all boards and is instead a grouping of just 3.

Pakistan should ascertain how much funds ICC generates from Pakistan and India clashes. In 2019, Star Sports earned 100 crore Indian rupees in just ads from Pakistan vs India match. It’s definitely a money generator and a big part of the appeal of ICC events.

Pakistan should boycott and pay the ICC in kind, for failing to ensure fair treatment.

In the long term, the best response will be a world beating Pakistan cricket team. The current meeks are neither respected nor feared by their peers. This has to change for the fortunes of Pakistan to change.

 

[Walawalkar]

That will be a crazy move
Won't help Pakistan by any means
Instead take this insult as a motivation n beat the hell out of every team infront of you
Have a strong feeling Pakistan will be a dangerous side in this T20 WC..Stage is set..

 

[Walawalkar]

And more than Ind vs Pak I am looking forward to Pak vs NZ game now...will be a game of the tournament for sure

 

[Mp812]

Are you a super troll? Or just lack perspective and comprehension?

I just pointed out that by boycotting a WC match against India because NZ did whatever it did is not practical as it would make ICC happy. On top of it by saying UAE security is not good enough it will make UAE also unhappy which is as of now a friendly country.
Can PCB afford to do that? What is the gain in it?

If you think that is trolling or lack of comprehension , well I really have no clue how to respond

 

[Civil]

I agree boycott and move on.

Short term it will hurt us alot and long term it will probably mean less international pyjama cricket, as these tourneys rely on pak vs Ind fixtures.

But what choice has the international cricket community left us...to all the folks saying "clean your house, fix your affairs,".... If NZ hadn't flown into the country to begin with then maybe that has some standing.
This has politics written all over it.

 

[RehanG]

Not just v India but whole tournament.

Let's do it for once and all.

 

[Mesozoic]

Hum ne kyaa kiya?

 

[Abu_Hamza]

The decision to abandon the tour anyway was met with frustration, disappointment and barely disclosed anger by the PCB. New PCB Chairman, Rambo Dada, tweeted: "Crazy day it has been! Feel so sorry for the fans and our players. Walking out of the tour by taking a unilateral approach on a security threat is very frustrating. Especially when it's not shared!! Which world is NZ living in??NZ will hear us at ICC."

 

[161]

Australia are refusing to play Afghanistan because of the taliban's treatment of women.

Similarly we can refuse to play India because of their treatment of Kashmiris.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I agree boycott and move on.

Short term it will hurt us alot and long term it will probably mean less international pyjama cricket, as these tourneys rely on pak vs Ind fixtures.

But what choice has the international cricket community left us...to all the folks saying "clean your house, fix your affairs,".... If NZ hadn't flown into the country to begin with then maybe that has some standing.
This has politics written all over it.

You will see that icc will do well without even pakistan. But pcb will not receive the 120mn it receives from ICC and other teams may boycott pakistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Australia are refusing to play Afghanistan because of the taliban's treatment of women.

Similarly we can refuse to play India because of their treatment of Kashmiris.

Please go ahead.

 

[drubwrubnat]

Exactly! Sue the NZ government, or the NZ board or whatever. Half a billion people want to see this match.

 

[drubwrubnat]

Exactly! Sue the NZ government, or the NZ board or whatever. Half a billion people want to see this match.

Replied to [MENTION=151350]Mesozoic[/MENTION]

 

[zn426]

It would make an immense impact. The ICC has made it clear that they view Pakistani cricket as a commodity to be called on every tournament. We've been trying the nice approach for years, has it worked? It has not.
No amount of money is worth sacrificing your self respect. Every other country pulls the political drama in cricket, India refuses to play Pakistan outside tournaments, Australia refuses to tour, now new Zealand did not just break Pakistan's reputation as a safe country for cricket, they willingly endangered Pakistan players and citizens by refusing to share intelligence about a potential attack on a Pakistani cricket match (it that's even true).
As for the "it's a government matter, nzc can do nothing", has it ever occurred to any of you that someone was looking for an excuse? By getting the new Zealand government to send the order, it essentially shields bad faith actors in NZC from blame. There very well may have been a situation, but given they tried to hide behind the British High Commission, which contradicted the statement of New Zealand, it's rather obvious this was politically motivated

 

[mon858]

Something like this would only make sense if you have confirmed info that it was caused by India.
One way this could be possible is nz pull out due to which eng pull out due to which their star players return back to play full ipl. Sounds a bit crazy but anything is possible

 

[Ab Fan]

Aren't Pakistan in the same group as India and New Zealand both?

Oh dear! They should basically fortfiet both the matches. That may hurt ICC though.

 

[Ab Fan]

That tour will also be cancelled when NZ security detail find a cockroach outside the main gate of their hotel

Who will cancel? NZ board? No chance.

The NZ cricketers were playing in IPL few months ago when COVID was at its peak.

 

[Varun]

Even if they forfeit, let it be known that the streak moves from 12-0 to 13-0.

 

[IMMY69]

Nothing to gain but everything to lose by refusing to play.

If any side should refuse it is India. They're the ones who refuse to play bi laterals.

Anyway, by not playing the game we'll only be isolating ourselves even more.

When there are two paths in front of you always take the high road.

 

[Kroll]

Aren't Pakistan in the same group as India and New Zealand both?

Oh dear! They should basically fortfiet both the matches. That may hurt ICC though.

Nah! go out and smash them instead. Asif Ali, now's your chance.

 

[reversehook]

just b4 toss pull out due to safety concerns

 

[Savak]

I like the approach but you're firing at the wrong target. This decision came from the NZ govt., not their cricketers or board. So our govt. should retaliate by suspending all trade or even expelling their ambassador. That would send a strong message if we make an example out of the Kiwis.

This I support.