Forfeit the match versus India in the T20 World Cup as a protest - hit them where it hurts

[Mamoon]

It is YOU who has a very funny moral compass.

Don’t bring people’s personal lives into this matter otherwise you’ll be left leaving with your tail between your legs.

Your argument is so stupid it ceases to amaze any longer.

I understand your frustration.

Overseas Pakistanis are always in a pickle when you ask them how their conscience is okay with the fact that their tax money is contributing towards to bombings of Muslims. They never have a convincing answer and the only thing they can do is to resort to personal attacks and change the topic.

The best way to avoid this embarrassment is to not get preachy and don’t give lessons on morality because if you do, you will be shown the mirror.

 

[Sir Alex]

PCB still has understood the sheer opportunity and strength it has. The strength being the sheer size of its market - aka population. It's more than the combined population of all the non Asian countries put together.

BCCI and PCB were in the same situation just 25-30 years back. Maybe BCCI was in worse shape. Shunned by touring teams, to the extent they had to pay TV channels to broadcast their matches.

But where is BCCi now and PCB? The former has moved on, took the proverbial bull by its horns, and now is bossing the game. The strength they leveraged was the sheer size of their market and monetized it brilliantly. In this world, strength respects strength. BCCI used excellent diplomacy and some flexing here and there to control world cricket.

PCB commands at least a fifth of the size of market BCCI has. Leverage this. Do not cry victim every time at any perceived injustice. In stead work hard, invest heavily in PSL and its own domestic and show the world what it can be. This is truly a caged tigers situation for Pakistan and they have the best guy leading them. Do not burn bridges with other countries, but like the duck which appears calm outwardly but is paddling furiously in the water, work rigorously to monetize this market. Once that is demonstrated, everything 2ill follow... corporates will come in, international attention will come in and automatically international acceptance shall follow.

What Govt of Pakistan would do well is to identify the key cities or regions to play cricket and stick to there, provide full security strategically (not just showcase be surrounding stadiums with snipers - that is scary than reassuring). Take a decade if needed, but use that decade to make Pakistan self sufficient and thriving in terms of PSL and a great talent line from domestics.

Pakistan can waste no longer its time and resources on silly fights and politicking and crying victim and going to ICC courts. These only make matters worst every way. Just bite the bullet and get working.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

I dont support this at all.

We can forfeit the entire tournament but it only hurts PCB in the long run financially.

Everyone who is talking about forfeit is a child or doesnt have professional responsibilities.

If PCB was providing the same people salaries and if quitting the tournament was going to cause them a decreade in salary, all the pro forfeitures would be singing a different tune.

I agree something can be done.

But forfeiting matches to lose money is not a viable solution.

It is only viable to those who sit thousands of miles away and are unaffected by finanicial losses of PCB.

 

[globalcitizen]

Understand the emotional outburst of Pakistan fans and as an Indian fan express solidarity, but let's face truth any course of events IPL and india would be blamed.

Scenarios

1. NZ refuse to play.
Result: IPL forced this decision so their global viewership and international player participation not affected

2. Pakistan smash NZ
Verdict: IPL to blame. Not much practice because of second string team sent to play

3. NZ smash Pakistan
Verdict: IPL to blame. Pakistan not allowed to play in IPL so skill levels are not same compared to others.

 

[sweep_shot]

Forfeiting a World Cup game is not a good idea. You are only shooting yourself on the foot because of losing points.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Should Pakistan refuse to shake hands with the England and New Zealand teams at the T20 World Cup?

Ramiz Raja is talking about channeling the anger and beating England and New Zealand at the T20 World Cup, and while that is certainly not impossible, it is difficult. If they can't do it, they'll disappoint their fans.

Do you think the Pakistan team should refuse to shake hands with the England and New Zealand teams at the T20 World Cup? That way, they'll make a statement regardless of what the result of the matches turn out to be.

 

[Kaddy]

Ramiz Raja is talking about channeling the anger and beating England and New Zealand at the T20 World Cup, and while that is certainly not impossible, it is difficult. If they can't do it, they'll disappoint their fans.

Do you think the Pakistan team should refuse to shake hands with the England and New Zealand teams at the T20 World Cup? That way, they'll make a statement regardless of what the result of the matches turn out to be.

No. It would be childish.

 

[Rana]

Turn your back on them during their national anthem also if that’s going to happen before the match

 

[redmaverik84]

That would be extremely silly. Take it out on the boards in whatever way you can, but not on the players. It wasn't not their call, they are just pawns on the chess board.

 

[Rafa]

Indians having a lot of fun giving self destructive ideas to Pakistan players and then looking forward to more drama lol

 

[Rana]

That would be extremely silly. Take it out on the boards in whatever way you can, but not on the players. It wasn't not their call, they are just pawns on the chess board.

It was their call when they abandoned national duty to participate in IPL am I right?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

No - thats quite silly.

We should take a knee during their national anthem.

 

[gazza619]

Indians having a lot of fun giving self destructive ideas to Pakistan players and then looking forward to more drama lol

Exactly lol. Our well wishers! (Not)

 

[street cricketer]

The Pak-NZ match is going to be one highly charged encounter isn't it..Now that's one match I'm looking forward to.

Tbf the Kiwis rarely engage in verbal battles and it's hard to trigger them like the Aussies too as they largely smile away their opponents. India generally tries to get under the skin of its opponents and has succeeded against Aus and Eng in the past (Remember Sydney, Lords) but it was hard to engage with the Kiwis in the WTC final because the kiwis only play their game and don't involve themselves in sledging battles like the Aussies or even the English. Perhaps only Jamieson and Southee to an extent will say a few words to batsmen in the WT20. The Pak-NZ battle is going to be one interesting one for sure.

 

[mastimasti]

Forfeiture means losing points. I think this would be a bad move. Yes the ICC loses revenue, yes the BCCI is hit...but Pakistan need more than a gesture. It's very simple, hit the ECB, NZC and any other board where it hurts the most, away tours to their grounds, where THEY hope for sold out venues or big TV attractions. Pakistan is still a draw.

Hitting an international tournament would be the wrong move.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

It's very simple, hit the ECB, NZC and any other board where it hurts the most, away tours to their grounds, where THEY hope for sold out venues or big TV attractions. Pakistan is still a draw.

What if those boards go to BCCI and and an Indian team (maybe without some big names if the schedule is tight) tours there for a short series? Dependence on BCCI would increase.

 

[ManFan]

I understand your frustration.

Overseas Pakistanis are always in a pickle when you ask them how their conscience is okay with the fact that their tax money is contributing towards to bombings of Muslims. They never have a convincing answer and the only thing they can do is to resort to personal attacks and change the topic.

The best way to avoid this embarrassment is to not get preachy and don’t give lessons on morality because if you do, you will be shown the mirror.

Like how you hate Pakistani foreign policy but your tax dollars are used for it. How’s your conscience dealing with that scenario?

Or do you not pay taxes at all as a form of protest?

 

[redmaverik84]

It was their call when they abandoned national duty to participate in IPL am I right?

No, not quite. Each board gives players NOC to participate in the IPL and all other leagues. Of course IPL being what it is, also gives a share of the players salary to the respective boards so getting NOC is easy peasy and works well for all parties.

 

[mastimasti]

What if those boards go to BCCI and and an Indian team (maybe without some big names if the schedule is tight) tours there for a short series? Dependence on BCCI would increase.

You mean if all summer tours barring those for the Ashes are replaced by India? No chance. Review how problematic ticket sales were for India's tour of 2018, when live on air BUmble and Hussain had to advertise free or discounted tickets to fill the grounds.

India is a draw but every single season of just playing India would not be feasible in any way, especially if the BCCI decided to send a squad of B players.

I'm sure the ECB and BCCI and CA would push the narrative, it's the job of the lesser boards to call their bluff (same way as the BCCIs bluff was called for abandoning an ICC tourney). These boards can not survive on their own.

 

[shamaan]

No they should not fortiet the match .

 

[Jeetlodil]

A black band and no handshakes is also a powerful message vs NZ, Eng and even India. The world will be watching.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Please forfeit the match... show your strength.

 

[Snatch]

There would only be one loser if Pakistan forfeited that match again India, and it wouldn't be the BCCI.

 

[Sir Alex]

Forfeiture will hurt ICC revenue. It won't hurt the Big 3 who don't depend on ICC. It will hurt only the remaining smaller boards. Cricket will be hurt in those smaller boards. Those boards will become nothing but subsidiaries of big 3 with promises of some tours in exchange for votes in what is already a very weak ICC.

Forfeitures are the way of cowards. It is basically running away from a big problem crying. Instead Pakistan need to treat this as a setback and work even harder towards the primary goal. Look towards India and understand what things they did to transform from a fellow door mat country in the 90s to a cricketing powerhouse now. India did not cry about perceived and actual slights against it. Instead it silently worked behind the scenes. Focused on how to monetize its 1 billion population effectively and achieved success. This could not have been done by sulking.

Pakistan has one immense strength other boards doesn't have barring India. A population of 200 plus million who have cricket in their genes. Use it, monetize it and become influential.

 

[redmaverik84]

We Indian fans would love to see an Ind-Pak faceoff, but if Pak forfeits( highly unlikely), we will relish the free points before of course losing in the Semis.

 

[Snatch]

We Indian fans would love to see an Ind-Pak faceoff, but if Pak forfeits( highly unlikely), we will relish the free points before of course losing in the Semis.

Yes, I'm sure the Indian players and coaches would be quietly happy to take the points on offer and run.

 

[gazza619]

Please forfeit the match... show your strength.

You mean commit suicide? No thank you.

 

[OMB]

A black band and no handshakes is also a powerful message vs NZ, Eng and even India. The world will be watching.

Wear what you like, it will only be a symbolic reaction.
better that Players should stay away and let boards and governments deal with it.

 

[gani999]

Indians having a lot of fun giving self destructive ideas to Pakistan players and then looking forward to more drama lol

Which Indian gave Pakistan any self-destructive idea?
In fact, most Indians I've seen here have expressed sympathy with Pakistan and have condemned NZ and ECB for cancelling their tours. I've even seen some Indians suggest that India tour Pakistan now to teach the 'gora' teams
a lesson.

 

[Walawalkar]

Yes, I'm sure the Indian players and coaches would be quietly happy to take the points on offer and run.

Do you know when last time Pakistan beat India in World Cup match

 

[redmaverik84]

Yes, I'm sure the Indian players and coaches would be quietly happy to take the points on offer and run.

You sound so bitter that its actually funny. Absolutely, we are panicking thinking of playing Pakistan like we have in all previous world cup matches. Whats the scoreline 12-0? You will then come back stating the Champions Trophy final and this argy bargy will go on. If you really think India would be happy to not play Pakistan, you are mistaken cos its no longer the 90's and the tables have turned.

Good luck to Pakistan and may the best team win!

 

[Saurav]

Unlikely to be a forfeit. Instead the matches will be hyped and may end up benefitting ICC

 

[OMB]

'If they don't want to come, let them not': Wasim Akram says teams around the world will 'run behind Pakistan'

Wasim Akram, like many, is disappointed with the recent tour pull-outs by New Zealand and England, but has requested the ardent fans to get behind Pakistan for the T20 World Cup.

The legendary Wasim Akram has urged fans of Pakistan cricket to support their national team in this time of crisis. Akram, like many, is disappointed with the recent tour pull-outs by New Zealand and England, but has requested the ardent fans to get behind Pakistan for the T20 World Cup.

"I know you're all very disappointed with New Zealand and England when they cancelled their tours. Especially New Zealand, for cancelling it at the last moment. I am equally disappointed, equally down and equally sad. But life has to go on. Like our chairman Ramiz Raja said, support Pakistan. The team they have picked for the World Cup, let's support them for once," Akram said in a video uploaded by Cricket Pakistan.

New Zealand were touring Pakistan for the first time in 18 years to play three ODIs and five T20Is, but minutes before the start of the series opener, the BlackCaps called off the tour citing security threat. The development left former Pakistan cricketers unhappy, with the likes of Inzamam-Ul-Haq, Shoaib Akhtar and the newly-appointed chairman of PCB Ramiz Raja in dismay. Days later, England too pulled out of their scheduled men's and women's tour of Pakistan which did not go down well with the Pakistan cricket fraternity.

Reiterating his point, Akram feels that if people want to be critical of Pakistan cricket team, they can do so but only after analysing their performance at the T20 World Cup. The former captain also suggested that if teams do not want to tour Pakistan, then so be it, but assured everyone that if Pakistan performs well at the T20 World Cup, that will certainly change.

"We will criticize them later if the need arises and will figure out solutions too. But right now, we all need to come together as a unit and support out team. If teams don't want to come, let them not. But if our side performs well, teams all around the world will run behind Pakistan. So all the best, Pakistan team. We are all behind you," Akram added.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/if-they-don-t-want-to-come-let-them-not-wasim-akram-says-teams-around-the-world-will-run-behind-pakistan-101632740504257.html