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France - Bans women wearing headscarfs, but allows them to protest topless in public

Texaco said:
There is definitely morality left in Muslim world which Western world has given up. For all its faults, saudi arab you will never see topless women there.
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You wont see independent, self made woman who can wear what she wants too either. So whats your point?

I am pretty sure Mamoon was just exaggerating, but you missed the point. Arabs or islamic countries dont have authority over morality. You know prostitution still exists in Arabian countries that too by Burqa wearing women. Burqa is by no means a certificate of character or morality.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Yes, in the old days the Karma Sutra was celebrated in India. I don't know why the became all bashful in the last two centuries. Perhaps we'll see Indians walking around starkers in Mumbai over the next few years.
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Since clothes are becoming shorter and revolution such as in France, it is evident that we are going back to the society which God created.

So.... No objection in above scenario.
 
Texaco said:
If you have to understand Islam, you have to go back to the prophet. Culture and religion are different.
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I know that when quran was written it was for a different time, society and culture. But today its totally different and it has nothing to do with debate at hand.
Arabs are not the only people whose women wear headgears, instead of making it a multicultural issues affecting many cultures some people has made it islamic vs western issue and thats where they lost the debate.
 
Lords said:
You wont see independent, self made woman who can wear what she wants too either. So whats your point?

I am pretty sure Mamoon was just exaggerating, but you missed the point. Arabs or islamic countries dont have authority over morality. You know prostitution still exists in Arabian countries that too by Burqa wearing women. Burqa is by no means a certificate of character or morality.
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Of course. Burqa alone is not the sign of morality, but in context of clothes it is.
 
Mamoon said:
French government should certainly listen to what the French people have to say, since it has declared itself a democratic state.

Francois Hollande was elected, he's not a dictator or a monarch.
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Did french people came in his dreams to tell him the muslim women should be banned from wearing scarf or veil?
And also i didnt see or hear any protests by the French public demanding the ban?.
 
Bakasura said:
Because there is no context...you really misunderstood this whole issue.Read the news again,even the FEMEN lawyer argued this based on as a 'specific' case rather than a generic case.
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Since you're responding to that post, why not also take account of the post being quoted in that post? ie
James said:
Men are allowed to walk around topless in many countries, so why not women too?
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Itachi said:
Since clothes are becoming shorter and revolution such as in France, it is evident that we are going back to the society which God created.

So.... No objection in above scenario.
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But that's not reflected in your society.
 
Lords said:
I know that when quran was written it was for a different time, society and culture. But today its totally different and it has nothing to do with debate at hand.
Arabs are not the only people whose women wear headgears, instead of making it a multicultural issues affecting many cultures some people has made it islamic vs western issue and thats where they lost the debate.
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Sorry brother. Islam message is for the eternity, not for a particular time.
 
Yossarian said:
Since you're responding to that post, why not also take account of the post being quoted in that post? ie
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That's because you are making so big noise about this issue most posters lost track of what is the real issue here...

You tell me how a one off judgement is turned into rights issue??
 
Texaco said:
There is definitely morality left in Muslim world which Western world has given up. For all its faults, saudi arab you will never see topless women there.
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Morality is subjective. If topless women is acceptable in French society, the it is not immoral for a woman to walk around in Paris topless.

Just like topless women is immoral in our society, women wearing headscarf is immoral in their's.

It is the opposite, simply because the Muslim world and France have different viewpoints on what morality is and what morality is not.

For France, Women wearing headscarf is a symbol for suppression and having her liberty taken away from her.

Perhaps if the French would have built the Statue of Liberty today or depicted Libertas in general, she should probably be topless to depict her freedom.
 
Lords said:
You wont see independent, self made woman who can wear what she wants too either. So whats your point?

I am pretty sure Mamoon was just exaggerating, but you missed the point. Arabs or islamic countries dont have authority over morality. You know prostitution still exists in Arabian countries that too by Burqa wearing women. Burqa is by no means a certificate of character or morality.
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Morals don't change for person to person. Allah swt has specified the code of conduct. Do we know about right and wrong better than Allah himself ?
 
Texaco said:
Of course. Burqa alone is not the sign of morality, but in context of clothes it is.
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So morality is in fact in the eyes of men who put them down with their disrespecting stares. The entire reason you want woman to cover themselves because you cannot control or make rules for the morality of men. If men look at woman as equals and not an object of sex then they would respect even a woman who has no dupatta or veil.
May be lessons should be taught to men to respect women and ask them to accept woman for wearing clothes as per weather and choice, to drive, to vote and to choose career. After all they do anything they want and they dont even have to wear burqas.
 
Mamoon said:
Morality is subjective. If topless women is acceptable in French society, the it is not immoral for a woman to walk around in Paris topless.

Just like topless women is immoral in our society, women wearing headscarf is immoral in their's.

It is the opposite, simply because the Muslim world and France have different viewpoints on what morality is and what morality is not.

For France, Women wearing headscarf is a symbol for suppression and having her liberty taken away from her.

Perhaps if the French would have built the Statue of Liberty today or depicted Libertas in general, she should probably be topless to depict her freedom.
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Dear mamoon brother,

Let me ask you a counter question. Did Allah swt exclude French people when he gave the message to our rasool.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Yes, in the old days the Karma Sutra was celebrated in India. I don't know why the became all bashful in the last two centuries. Perhaps we'll see Indians walking around starkers in Mumbai over the next few years.
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There's already nudist beaches and naturist clubs and resorts in India. I wouldn't be surprised if there is one in and around Mumbai. You may be far closer to hitting the bulls eye than you think.
 
Yossarian said:
There's already nudist beaches and naturist clubs and resorts in India. I wouldn't be surprised if there is one in and around Mumbai. You may be far closer to hitting the bulls eye than you think.
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That's all fine you still didn't explained why you misled everyone here by terming this as rights issue while it's a specific court ruling??
 
Texaco said:
Morals don't change for person to person. Allah swt has specified the code of conduct. Do we know about right and wrong better than Allah himself ?
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Yeah, but thats as per Islam and not for majority of religions.
Morals change with society and person to person. For some a woman not wearing burqa in arabistan may be of low character and for some others a woman wearing shorts and T shirt is totally modest.

Texaco said:
Yes, because the message was delivered to him. We need to learn morality from the right source.
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Again, that is for arabs and followers of islam and not for the french. They dont have to follow arab laws. I for one dont even believe in messengers so the source of the message is not for me.
 
Texaco said:
Dear mamoon brother,

Let me ask you a counter question. Did Allah swt exclude French people when he gave the message to our rasool.
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Majority of people in France do not believe in Allah swt, so they are not bounded by Islamic rules of morality.
 
Lords said:
So morality is in fact in the eyes of men who put them down with their disrespecting stares. The entire reason you want woman to cover themselves because you cannot control or make rules for the morality of men. If men look at woman as equals and not an object of sex then they would respect even a woman who has no dupatta or veil.
May be lessons should be taught to men to respect women and ask them to accept woman for wearing clothes as per weather and choice, to drive, to vote and to choose career. After all they do anything they want and they dont even have to wear burqas.
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Dear brother,
It works both ways. Allah has guided men to lower their gaze, and women to cover their body.
 
Yossarian said:
There's already nudist beaches and naturist clubs and resorts in India. I wouldn't be surprised if there is one in and around Mumbai. You may be far closer to hitting the bulls eye than you think.
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There's a French restaurant serving pork in Karachi, and you can buy it in Dubai as well. There's a difference between specially restricted areas and those which are available to the general public.
 
Mamoon said:
Majority of people in France do not believe in Allah swt, so they are not bounded by Islamic rules of morality.
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That is not my question. My question was on Allah intention since we are discussing morality.
 
Texaco said:
Dear mamoon brother,

Let me ask you a counter question. Did Allah swt exclude French people when he gave the message to our rasool.
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hah, you are again bringing religion and prophet in this debate. I am afraid few things i may say will be unacceptable to you.

If allah wanted french to follow its religion then rasool would be a french guy. And the fact that french are doing fine without the so called message it means allah dont want french to follow the message.
 
Texaco said:
Dear brother,
It works both ways. Allah has guided men to lower their gaze, and women to cover their body.
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But where is the law for man to lower the gaze when they see woman? and do you support such laws?

There is no law that punishes a man for lowering his gaze when he sees a woman. Why are you after just the poor woman
 
Lords said:
Yeah, but thats as per Islam and not for majority of religions.
Morals change with society and person to person. For some a woman not wearing burqa in arabistan may be of low character and for some others a woman wearing shorts and T shirt is totally modest.



Again, that is for arabs and followers of islam and not for the french. They dont have to follow arab laws. I for one dont even believe in messengers so the source of the message is not for me.
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Islam is not for Arabs. I think we need to clear this first.
 
tahir_dj said:
Did french people came in his dreams to tell him the muslim women should be banned from wearing scarf or veil?
And also i didnt see or hear any protests by the French public demanding the ban?.
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A democratic govt. is not bound to take decisions based on public consensus. The public elects the head of state who takes decisions. This is what Western philosophers call the Social Contract.

Majority of the French people are Protestants and Catholics. If they protest this ban the govt. will be under pressure to revoke it, but then again, they have no reason to raise their voices for the minorities just like we in Pakistan don't give two hoots about the sufferings of Ahmadis, Hindus, Christians and even Shias.
 
Lords said:
But where is the law for man to lower the gaze when they see woman? and do you support such laws?

There is no law that punishes a man for lowering his gaze when he sees a woman. Why are you after just the poor woman
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There is of course the guidance for both men and women.
 
Texaco said:
Islam is not for Arabs. I think we need to clear this first.
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Its an arabic religion and i think you need to accept the fact now.

But still you are missing the point and just responding to non issues.
 
Texaco said:
That is not my question. My question was on Allah intention since we are discussing morality.
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That is the answer to your question. Allah swt's message was universal, but the French people do not believe in it. From Islamic perspective there choices of morality are wrong, but from their perspective, they are not.

What do we do in this case? Live and let live, in my opinion. You cannot force your ideology on others and vice versa.

My only criticism of France is that it should stop declaring itself as a secular state. Atheism is growing fast in France and so is Muslim, but primarily it is still a Protestant/Catholic dominion and in a truly secular state, women should be allowed to go both topless or cover herself from head to toe, because it is personal freedom and choice.
 
Lords said:
hah, you are again bringing religion and prophet in this debate. I am afraid few things i may say will be unacceptable to you.

If allah wanted french to follow its religion then rasool would be a french guy. And the fact that french are doing fine without the so called message it means allah dont want french to follow the message.
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No brother, your words will not offend me. As prophet himself was subjected to much ridicule in his life but he was always tolerant and peaceful.

He had to belong to any one race, no?
 
Texaco said:
Dear mamoon brother,

Let me ask you a counter question. Did Allah swt exclude French people when he gave the message to our rasool.
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How difficult it is to understand that there are 4bn people in the world who are not muslim and hence dont believe in The Prophet(PBUH) and allah(swt) and 100 plus countries where muslims are a minority and hence neither those people nor those countries are bound by any islamic law since they simply dont believe in it.
 
cricketjoshila said:
How difficult it is to understand that there are 4bn people in the world who are not muslim and hence dont believe in The Prophet(PBUH) and allah(swt) and 100 plus countries where muslims are a minority and hence neither those people nor those countries are bound by any islamic law since they simply dont believe in it.
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I think you are not getting the context of my question. Please ask mamoon.
 
Lords said:
Its an arabic religion and i think you need to accept the fact now.

But still you are missing the point and just responding to non issues.
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It is not an Arabic religion. There are more Muslims in non Arab world.
 
Mamoon said:
That is the answer to your question. Allah swt's message was universal, but the French people do not believe in it. From Islamic perspective there choices of morality are wrong, but from their perspective, they are not.

What do we do in this case? Live and let live, in my opinion. You cannot force your ideology on others and vice versa.

My only criticism of France is that it should stop declaring itself as a secular state. Atheism is growing fast in France and so is Muslim, but primarily it is still a Protestant/Catholic dominion and in a truly secular state, women should be allowed to go both topless or cover herself from head to toe, because it is personal freedom and choice.
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So you accept that in the eyes of Allah, these women are immoral? Thanks.
 
Yossarian said:
France - where women can go topless, but not cover their heads, in public.

(I'm not posting the link, as it contains nudity. But google for the above article if you wish)
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If they can go topless, why were they arrested? I googled the story and it shows police manhandling the women who as a result end up being jiggled quite provocatively.
 
Texaco said:
So you accept that in the eyes of Allah, these women are immoral? Thanks.
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Yes of course, I never disputed that, did I.

I objected to the claim that there is morality left in the Muslim world and I also emphasized that the definition of morality is different for France and for the Muslim world.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
There's a French restaurant serving pork in Karachi, and you can buy it in Dubai as well. There' couns a difference between specially restricted areas and those which are available to the general public.
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When I worked in Saudi many years ago, the Western expats knew which supermarkets they could go to, and ask the right person on the meat counter for "The expat special" and get as much pork and bacon as they wished.

The shops in many of the western employees residential compounds openly sold alcohol as well as pork and bacon.

On one occasion, when we went camping in the red desert, one of my colleagues wandered off in the dune buggy and came across a litter of pigs near a water hole. By the time he came back and told us, and we took our dune buggies and 4 wheelers to go and see, they were gone. Our colleague must have been spotted.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes of course, I never disputed that, did I.

I objected to the claim that there is morality left in the Muslim world and I also emphasized that the definition of morality is different for France and for the Muslim world.
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Thanks.
I never said the Muslims are epitome of morality. We were discussing about morality in the context of public dressing. We both agree that Allah considers them immoral.
We also agree that Allah is telling us the truth.
That in turn proves that you think they are immoral too.

What we can do about it is secondary. First we need to agree on right or wrong.
 
In an Ideal world, both men and women can dress or not dress at all. Which ever way they want.

When we are born, we are naked. God put us naked on this planet. Humans chose to wear dresses.

Some communities in Africa still do not wear clothes. At least, they go topless. No one bats an eyelid.

We teach children to wear clothes and shame them if they don't wear clothes. It gets hard coded in their mind.

What is abhorrent to one culture is very much acceptable to the other culture.

Let women wear what they want or what they don't want. Nobody should be ashamed of their bodies.

France did the right thing by allowing women to go topless. They should also let women wear face mask or any other head gear if they choose to wear. Nobody should object to the police profiling in case they are wearing headgear or hiding their face due to security issues.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
If they can go topless, why were they arrested? I googled the story and it shows police manhandling the women who as a result end up being jiggled quite provocatively.
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Arrested but then acquitted by the judge.
 
Exhibitionism is still illegal in France,in this specific case they are acquitted as argument is based on protest line...
 
Yossarian said:
Arrested but then acquitted by the judge.
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Okay, the pictures of the police grabbing and manhandling the topless women was quite dramatic. I still don't think we will see many women topless on the streets of Paris any more than we are likely to see them in the buff in Mumbai. Society does not really reflect internet intellectuals.

Btw, still no one has answered the question whether nuns have been banned from wearing the hijab in public. Someone raised this earlier and I responded that they may well have been, we shouldn't assume that there is one law for Christians and a different one for Muslims. France is a strictly secular nation.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Okay, the pictures of the police grabbing and manhandling the topless women was quite dramatic. I still don't think we will see many women topless on the streets of Paris any more than we are likely to see them in the buff in Mumbai. Society does not really reflect internet intellectuals.

Btw, still no one has answered the question whether nuns have been banned from wearing the hijab in public. Someone raised this earlier and I responded that they may well have been, we shouldn't assume that there is one law for Christians and a different one for Muslims. France is a strictly secular nation.
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If no answer means no issue otherwise Scarve fans should have provided some links and start crying discrimination.
 
Yossarian said:
Never heard about setting a precedent in law?
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What is your opinion on Saudi Arabia having laws such as mandatory burkas for women, women not being allowed to drive and not allowed to walk freely?

I often hear their country their rules in their case so Naturally same should apply here.

France is a democracy and if there is enough of a popular movement to ban topless women or allow head scarves then it will happen. This is not religious discrimination in France but the will of the majority which you can't disputed. In Saudi it is not will of majority but decrees of supreme rulers
 
A lot of countries in the world are extremely hypocritical and France is just taking steps in becoming one.
 
Slog said:
What is your opinion on Saudi Arabia having laws such as mandatory burkas for women, women not being allowed to drive and not allowed to walk freely?

I often hear their country their rules in their case so Naturally same should apply here.

France is a democracy and if there is enough of a popular movement to ban topless women or allow head scarves then it will happen. This is not religious discrimination in France but the will of the majority which you can't disputed. In Saudi it is not will of majority but decrees of supreme rulers
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The thread is about France. If you wish to raise a thread on burkas in Saudi Arabia, then go ahead.
 
Texaco said:
Thanks.
I never said the Muslims are epitome of morality. We were discussing about morality in the context of public dressing. We both agree that Allah considers them immoral.
We also agree that Allah is telling us the truth.
That in turn proves that you think they are immoral too.

What we can do about it is secondary. First we need to agree on right or wrong.
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I'm also a Pakistani, and given the plight of minorities in Pakistan, it will be hypocritical of me to focus on France.

Pakistanis should worry and concern about the sufferings of minorities (and their fellow citizens of Pakistan) in their home country rather than focus on what's happening in other countries around the world.
 
Mamoon said:
I'm also a Pakistani, and given the plight of minorities in Pakistan, it will be hypocritical of me to focus on France.

Pakistanis should worry and concern about the sufferings of minorities (and their fellow citizens of Pakistan) in their home country rather than focus on what's happening in other countries around the world.
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So why are you in this thread?
 
Yossarian said:
The thread is about France. If you wish to raise a thread on burkas in Saudi Arabia, then go ahead.
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You judge things by what is happening in the world.

Most Muslims don't have any issue when Saudi is doing such things so it is hypocritical if the voice is raised when it doesn't suit you
 
Itachi said:
God created human nude. After committing sin, the concept of clothes came into pictures. We are ashamed because our forefathers committed sin. Otherwise all people would have stay as God wanted and remain nude.
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More like the first time the weather got cold.....
 
Mamoon said:
To tell my fellow Pakistanis not to be hypocrites.
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Most of them aren't even Pakistanis they are living abroad and they aren't the ones who are saying to be only concerned with Pakistani issues. You say one thing then do the opposite.
 
They ate not targeting only Muslims. Nuns aren't effected because they don't go to school


tahir_dj said:
Ye than why target only muslims
What aboutt those nuns who cover themselves shouldnt the law be same for everyone not the selected ones?
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Cpt. Rishwat said:
Most of them aren't even Pakistanis they are living abroad and they aren't the ones who are saying to be only concerned with Pakistani issues. You say one thing then do the opposite.
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Living abroad doesn't make them non-Pakistanis. They still have a brown skin and live as second-class citizens. We call them expat Pakistanis.

Both Pakistani residents and expat Pakistanis should worry more about what's happening in their homeland first and after that, focus on the Ummah and the atrocities of a country like KSA, rather talking about the West and in this instance, France.
 
Mamoon said:
Living abroad doesn't make them non-Pakistanis. They still have a brown skin and live as second-class citizens. We call them expat Pakistanis.

Both Pakistani residents and expat Pakistanis should worry more about what's happening in their homeland first and after that, focus on the Ummah and the atrocities of a country like KSA, rather talking about the West and in this instance, France.
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I would happily agree with you and have even suggested this, but then where would all the Indians go if everybody had to abide by such rules?
 
Slog said:
You judge things by what is happening in the world.

Most Muslims don't have any issue when Saudi is doing such things so it is hypocritical if the voice is raised when it doesn't suit you
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So raise a thread about Saudi. No one's stopping you. You asked my opinion on burkas in Saudi Arabia. I suggested you raise a thread on the issue if you feel strongly about it, considering that this thread I raised is about France. Perhaps then I may consider answering your question. Otherwise what next? I raise a thread about David Cameron's tax issues and, in the same thread, you demand that I answer questions about women not being allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia?
 
^ What about this thread? This doesn't make sense any more as whatever mentioned in OP is plain wrong.
 
Bakasura said:
^ What about this thread? This doesn't make sense any more as whatever mentioned in OP is plain wrong.
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I don't think it was plain wrong,but it was perhaps a bit confusing. I actually found the thread very worthwhile as it clarified a few issues and made for a good discussion.
 
Mamoon said:
Living abroad doesn't make them non-Pakistanis. They still have a brown skin and live as second-class citizens. We call them expat Pakistanis.
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Yes I have brown skin. Yes, I was born in Pakistan. No, I don't live as a 2nd class citizen. No, I'm not an 'expat', I am a UK citizen. Yes, I was an 'expat' when working/living in Saudi many years ago.

Both Pakistani residents and expat Pakistanis should worry more about what's happening in their homeland first and after that, focus on the Ummah and the atrocities of a country like KSA, rather talking about the West and in this instance, France.
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I was born in Pakistan but moved to the UK at a very young age.

Now:
The UK is where I live.
The UK is where I work.
The UK is my home.
The UK is where my children were born, live and now go to school.
The UK is where my parents are buried.
The UK is where, one day, my children will bury me.

My parents left Pakistan to make a better life for themselves and their only child at the time(ie me - I was born in Pakistan, but my brothers/sisters were not yet born as they were born in the UK).

Therefore the UK is my country. If I don't accept myself to be part of the UK, then how can I expect the host community to accept me, or my children, as being part of the UK?

As for France, I lived there for a while. I paid French taxes. I still go to France on a regular basis. So events in France affect me a lot more than events in Pakistan.

So I'm more interested in events in the UK (and France) than events in Pakistan. In fact, I don't follow Pakistani politics whatsoever.
 
Bakasura said:
^ What about this thread? This doesn't make sense any more as whatever mentioned in OP is plain wrong.
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If it doesn't make any sense to you, then that's your problem. But despite this thread that "doesn't make any sense to you", it hasn't stopped you from posting a couple of dozen, or more, posts in the thread :facepalm:

You do realise that every time you add a post in this thread, it elongates the thread, which, in discussion forum terms, makes the thread more 'popular'.

So thanks for keeping it going. :))
 
Yossarian said:
If it doesn't make any sense to you, then that's your problem. But despite this thread that "doesn't make any sense to you", it hasn't stopped you from posting a couple of dozen, or more, posts in the thread :facepalm:

You do realise that every time you add a post in this thread, it elongates the thread, which, in discussion forum terms, makes the thread more 'popular'.

So thanks for keeping it going. :))
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I am trying to make sure everyone reading this thread understand the real issue but unfortunately you are continuing with your propaganda to mask your mistake :)
 
Yossarian said:
Yes I have brown skin. Yes, I was born in Pakistan. No, I don't live as a 2nd class citizen. No, I'm not an 'expat', I am a UK citizen. Yes, I was an 'expat' when working/living in Saudi many years ago.

I was born in Pakistan but moved to the UK at a very young age.

Now:
The UK is where I live.
The UK is where I work.
The UK is my home.
The UK is where my children were born, live and now go to school.
The UK is where my parents are buried.
The UK is where, one day, my children will bury me.

My parents left Pakistan to make a better life for themselves and their only child at the time(ie me - I was born in Pakistan, but my brothers/sisters were not yet born as they were born in the UK).

Therefore the UK is my country. If I don't accept myself to be part of the UK, then how can I expect the host community to accept me, or my children, as being part of the UK?

As for France, I lived there for a while. I paid French taxes. I still go to France on a regular basis. So events in France affect me a lot more than events in Pakistan.

So I'm more interested in events in the UK (and France) than events in Pakistan. In fact, I don't follow Pakistani politics whatsoever.
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You qualify as an exception then, and I think it is quite commendable that you have accepted the UK as your country.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I would happily agree with you and have even suggested this, but then where would all the Indians go if everybody had to abide by such rules?
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Same applies to expat Indians, or an expat community for that matter.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I don't think it was plain wrong,but it was perhaps a bit confusing. I actually found the thread very worthwhile as it clarified a few issues and made for a good discussion.
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Discussion is fine but actual OP is wrong as there is no legal validity for what's mentioned here neither OP trying to correct it.
 
Mamoon said:
Same applies to expat Indians, or an expat community for that matter.
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So it looks like no one is following your etiquette either Pakistanis or Indians...and in fact even you. So might be better just to let everyone get on with it and not give lectures on which topic people should contribute on. Especially as you are doing so selectively.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
So it looks like no one is following your etiquette either Pakistanis or Indians...and in fact even you. So might be better just to let everyone get on with it and not give lectures on which topic people should contribute on. Especially as you are doing so selectively.
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I am personally following this etiquette because I have been vocal about the plight of the minorities in Pakistan.
 
Bakasura said:
Discussion is fine but actual OP is wrong as there is no legal validity for what's mentioned here neither OP trying to correct it.
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So what? It's been clarified so that's out of the way, still I am interested in the thread as France's dress code is quite a hardline one and I'm wondering if it might be adopted in Britain at some point.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
So what? It's been clarified so that's out of the way, still I am interested in the thread as France's dress code is quite a hardline one and I'm wondering if it might be adopted in Britain at some point.
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Not by OP though...just curious what is hardline? They are leaving religion out.
 
Burqa should be definitely banned.No question about it.It's a hideous piece of clothing which represents oppression and has no relevance in modern society.Don't understand the ban on hijab though, it's quite modest and looks completely fine to me.In fact in many cases it makes the woman look even more beautiful.
 
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