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France is a Secular Extremist Nation

cricketjoshila said:
India buys a lot of French stuff, esp defence tech. Worth billions.

You believe that the French dont have allies and if push comes to shove they will allow a NATO country a EU economic giant to be pushed around by few muslim countries.
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Whaf will they do? Please enlighten us
 
cricketjoshila said:
India buys a lot of French stuff, esp defence tech. Worth billions.

You believe that the French dont have allies and if push comes to shove they will allow a NATO country a EU economic giant to be pushed around by few muslim countries.
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India is 3rd world country.

The point has reached the French, their business leaders will react and the French government is asking for boycotts to stop.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Indians :))

Always enjoy it when Pakistanis or Muslims are being oppressed , with or without a cow on a lead.

France was uspet over a beaheading yet this method of killing is something they perfected when beheading Algerians.

Im so glad the French did this, as of today more Muslim countries are attacking France, boycotting.

France is broke, its business leaders will turn on the government soon. :)
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The proof you have provided should be enough for the naysayers. The French are brutal; their history of revolutions and execution is proof of this.

The ignorance lies with most posters who have never set foot in France, unaware of their laws, and speak because as athiests they feel they have a voice and opportunity to knock Islam. It's a joke. Last week they were school on HD/AS laws, now French history.

France is a cess-pit. It's indigenous population are intolerant, have a history of violence, and a current leader who is taking orders from a higher power.
 
Technics 1210 said:
The proof you have provided should be enough for the naysayers. The French are brutal; their history of revolutions and execution is proof of this.

The ignorance lies with most posters who have never set foot in France, unaware of their laws, and speak because as athiests they feel they have a voice and opportunity to knock Islam. It's a joke. Last week they were school on HD/AS laws, now French history.

France is a cess-pit. It's indigenous population are intolerant, have a history of violence, and a current leader who is taking orders from a higher power.
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The Irony is if Indians with their accent and dress sense arrived in France, they would be hated on more than any French born Muslim. Yet they will support those who dont like them either, as long as they keep on hating on Muslims, strange strange people
 
KingKhanWC said:
The Irony is if Indians with their accent and dress sense arrived in France, they would be hated on more than any French born Muslim. Yet they will support those who dont like them either, as long as they keep on hating on Muslims, strange strange people
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Exactly. Indians walk in fear across Europe. Imagine that. Indians blag about France/Europe being free, but their own walk in silence because they're afraid of expressing their belief. Things people have to endure for the Western life. They also get slammed from India, who do not recognise them as Indians.

Limbo and fear. Welcome to Europe.
 
Zaz said:
Whaf will they do? Please enlighten us
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France exports aren't just biscuits and face creams. They export massive weaponry to all gulf countries. In many cases, the french run a deficit because they are buying oil from these countries. For all we know, oil is plenty and they can buy that anywhere from any other country.

There are only 4 Islamic countries in top 25 for french exports in Aug 2020. It's a small piece of the pie. And those countries are Turkey, Morocco, Algeria, UAE and none of them are in top 10. The local public can ban whatever they want for a few months but the government's will keep buying arms and other necessary industrial equipment from the French. That's the big business. They will be alright
 
France isn't 'extremist secularist', it is just anti-religion. I don't like religion myself, but I am against how the French government treat certain things (especially the burkini- that's indefensible). I understand why the hijab ban in schools is deeply offensive to Muslims, and I am against banning it (even if some girls will be forced to, I don't think the government should ban it). Secularism is the separation of religion and state, it doesn't necessarily entail what France is doing, so you can't label it 'secular extremism'.

France's stance on the cartoons is 100% correct, however.
 
Will the Pakistani military burn its French-made jets and boats? This whole boycott will have no significant impact on the French economy. By next Wednesday, everything would be forgotten.
 
Tubs said:
France isn't 'extremist secularist', it is just anti-religion. I don't like religion myself, but I am against how the French government treat certain things (especially the burkini- that's indefensible). I understand why the hijab ban in schools is deeply offensive to Muslims, and I am against banning it (even if some girls will be forced to, I don't think the government should ban it). Secularism is the separation of religion and state, it doesn't necessarily entail what France is doing, so you can't label it 'secular extremism'.

France's stance on the cartoons is 100% correct, however.
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That's a lot of words to essentially just say that they are indeed, extremist secularist. They are so in favour of the separation of religion and state that they actively force their citizens to publicly hide any associations with religion
 
angrypathan said:
That's a lot of words to essentially just say that they are indeed, extremist secularist. They are so in favour of the separation of religion and state that they actively force their citizens to publicly hide any associations with religion
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They also project offensive cartoons onto their govt buildings knowing that they are offensive to millions of their own minority population. How many responsible countries would sanction state backing to such puerile activity?
 
saeedhk said:
Will the Pakistani military burn its French-made jets and boats? This whole boycott will have no significant impact on the French economy. By next Wednesday, everything would be forgotten.
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France is one of the most powerful countries in the world, with very powerful allies. It will be difficult if not impossible to make them capitulate like this.

If France today agrees to toe the line of Islamic nations due to this boycott, tommorow they may force others too. Thats something non-Muslim countries will have to decide.
 
angrypathan said:
That's a lot of words to essentially just say that they are indeed, extremist secularist. They are so in favour of the separation of religion and state that they actively force their citizens to publicly hide any associations with religion
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Religion is a personal thing. No?
 
saeedhk said:
Will the Pakistani military burn its French-made jets and boats? This whole boycott will have no significant impact on the French economy. By next Wednesday, everything would be forgotten.
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Sshhh we don't talk about that here. We only boycott biscuits thinking it will bring the French economy to its knees.
 
All this boycotting French products and hatred towards the government is good. I like it but then how come we don't react the same way when China commits genocide on its Muslim population?

Is it because in the end its all about money and if France paid us like China has we would keep quiet.

Seems that way.
 
uberkoen said:
All this boycotting French products and hatred towards the government is good. I like it but then how come we don't react the same way when China commits genocide on its Muslim population?

Is it because in the end its all about money and if France paid us like China has we would keep quiet.

Seems that way.
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Would be interesting to see how the Pakistani response would be if China started projecting offensive cartoons of the Prophet PBUH on their govt buildings. That would be the real test. At the moment China has not even admitted any genocide of it's Muslim population.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Would be interesting to see how the Pakistani response would be if China started projecting offensive cartoons of the Prophet PBUH on their govt buildings. That would be the real test. At the moment China has not even admitted any genocide of it's Muslim population.
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So because they don't admit to it, its not happening?
 
uberkoen said:
So because they don't admit to it, its not happening?
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It may be, but they are denying it. That gives them a get out of sorts, if they were openly projecting offensive images of the Prophet PBUH on their govt buildings then IK would definitely be put on the spot if he continued to call them trade partners.

You made the comparison so I am just examining the nuances.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Would be interesting to see how the Pakistani response would be if China started projecting offensive cartoons of the Prophet PBUH on their govt buildings. That would be the real test. At the moment China has not even admitted any genocide of it's Muslim population.
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While Erdoyan, who is happy to slate his NATO ally Macron, propagates this fiction that China is not engaged in a genocide of Muslims.
 
angrypathan said:
That's a lot of words to essentially just say that they are indeed, extremist secularist. They are so in favour of the separation of religion and state that they actively force their citizens to publicly hide any associations with religion
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No, it's very obviously anti-religion. Secularism is simply the separation of religion and state, that's where it ends. Being explicitly anti-religion is a different thing all together.

Cpt. Rishwat said:
They also project offensive cartoons onto their govt buildings knowing that they are offensive to millions of their own minority population. How many responsible countries would sanction state backing to such puerile activity?
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I definitely understand the projection thing being distasteful. However, the Charlie Hebdo cartoons would have been long forgotten about if it had not been for the terror attacks that came from it. I believe France are 100% justified to show that they won't bow to extremism, just as Muslims are justified in being offended and boycotting France.
 
I think there's a thing called secular extremism. What it means is taking secularism to an extreme level.

France definitely falls under that category.
 
sweep_shot said:
I think there's a thing called secular extremism. What it means is taking secularism to an extreme level.

France definitely falls under that category.
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Hardly, France allows freedom of worship.
 
Punishment for blasphemy in Pakistan and many other Muslim countries is death. That is if you even get to court and are not killed by a crazy mob. If France is extremist what is pakistan and it’s fellow countries. Sweep shot?
 
France doesn't allow the freedom of worship. Don't believe the fascist liberals. France doesn't allow a women to wear what they want, yet allows them to do what they want with their bodies (abortion).

Don't believe the hype. Don't believe the racist liberals. France is a racist country, and don't fall for the EU spiel of freedom either.

Liberalism is cancer. The only disease of ignorance and violence in humanity.
 
I have never actually been to France, considered going a few times but always chose somewhere else instead. I don't know if it is just the impression we have of them in the UK, but seems like they are really prissy and uptight. Is that fair, or are they a bit more chill in real life?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I have never actually been to France, considered going a few times but always chose somewhere else instead. I don't know if it is just the impression we have of them in the UK, but seems like they are really prissy and uptight. Is that fair, or are they a bit more chill in real life?
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People of Paris are real prissy. Other places I found them to be very nice and friendly. Food is amazing!!!!
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I have never actually been to France, considered going a few times but always chose somewhere else instead. I don't know if it is just the impression we have of them in the UK, but seems like they are really prissy and uptight. Is that fair, or are they a bit more chill in real life?
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Don't bother. Your Indian lurkers and Nadeemp's have not stepped in the Western world, but claim to be the bearers of Western truth.

I've been to France, past the duty free at the port and Disneyland, there's sod all other than rembrants of Nazism.

If there were a referendum to join the EU now, the majority will vote not too. Yet we have fascist liberals (your Roberts etc) who are happy to barter their sovereignty for a paltry price of Nazism.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Don't bother. Your Indian lurkers and Nadeemp's have not stepped in the Western world, but claim to be the bearers of Western truth.

I've been to France, past the duty free at the port and Disneyland, there's sod all other than rembrants of Nazism.

If there were a referendum to join the EU now, the majority will vote not too. Yet we have fascist liberals (your Roberts etc) who are happy to barter their sovereignty for a paltry price of Nazism.
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To be honest, my impression of Paris is not far off what NadeemP said, but you could get that from watching a tv show. I think northern France in general would be pretty similar to Paris except a bit more run down. Maybe South of France you might find people a bit less lah di dah.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
To be honest, my impression of Paris is not far off what NadeemP said, but you could get that from watching a tv show. I think northern France in general would be pretty similar to Paris except a bit more run down. Maybe South of France you might find people a bit less lah di dah.
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Your Nadeemps view of the West is based on the TV. Nuff said.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mauritanian cartoonist Khaled Ould Moulay Idriss' contract is terminated with the French embassy over satirical cartoons of Macron.<br> <br>Them French are so dedicated to protecting people's freedom of speech, innit!<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/boycottfrenchproduct?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#boycottfrenchproduct</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%B7%D8%B9%D9%88%D8%A7_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%81%D8%B1%D9%86%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%A9?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#قاطعوا_المنتجات_الفرنسية</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/doublestandard?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#doublestandard</a> <a href="https://t.co/qVhCodnHxw">pic.twitter.com/qVhCodnHxw</a></p>— Nasser Touaibia (@NasserTouaibia) <a href="https://twitter.com/NasserTouaibia/status/1321352106184499201?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So… they found the cartoon offensive?
 
Abdullah719 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mauritanian cartoonist Khaled Ould Moulay Idriss' contract is terminated with the French embassy over satirical cartoons of Macron.<br> <br>Them French are so dedicated to protecting people's freedom of speech, innit!<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/boycottfrenchproduct?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#boycottfrenchproduct</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%B7%D8%B9%D9%88%D8%A7_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%81%D8%B1%D9%86%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%A9?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#قاطعوا_المنتجات_الفرنسية</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/doublestandard?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#doublestandard</a> <a href="https://t.co/qVhCodnHxw">pic.twitter.com/qVhCodnHxw</a></p>— Nasser Touaibia (@NasserTouaibia) <a href="https://twitter.com/NasserTouaibia/status/1321352106184499201?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So… they found the cartoon offensive?
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Hahhahaha. Where was this published
 
Abdullah719 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mauritanian cartoonist Khaled Ould Moulay Idriss' contract is terminated with the French embassy over satirical cartoons of Macron.<br> <br>Them French are so dedicated to protecting people's freedom of speech, innit!<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/boycottfrenchproduct?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#boycottfrenchproduct</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%B7%D8%B9%D9%88%D8%A7_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%81%D8%B1%D9%86%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%A9?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#قاطعوا_المنتجات_الفرنسية</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/doublestandard?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#doublestandard</a> <a href="https://t.co/qVhCodnHxw">pic.twitter.com/qVhCodnHxw</a></p>— Nasser Touaibia (@NasserTouaibia) <a href="https://twitter.com/NasserTouaibia/status/1321352106184499201?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So… they found the cartoon offensive?
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Is this true?
 
Nadeemp said:
Hahhahaha. Where was this published
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Zaz said:
Is this true?
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Primary sources are some Arabic sources. This contains a translation: https://tekdeeps.com/a-satirical-ca...act-of-a-painter-with-a-french-embassy-photo/

A satirical caricature of Macron ends the contract of a painter with a French embassy

Mauritanian media reported that the French embassy in Nouakchott terminated the contract of a well-known Mauritanian cartoonist after he drew a cartoon about French President Macron, which it considered “offensive.”

The website “Mauritania Today” said that the French embassy terminated the work contract of the prominent Mauritanian cartoonist Khaled Ould Moulay Idriss, under the pretext of insulting the symbols of the French Republic by publishing cartoons ridiculing French President Emmanuel Macron.

The cartoons of the Mauritanian plastic artist came in response to President Macron’s insistence on defending the cartoons insulting to the Prophet of Islam in France.

The French embassy’s decision sparked resentment and cynical reactions within the circles of social media activists in Mauritania, according to “Mauritania Today,” as they considered it evidence of the contradiction in the French proposal that raises the slogan of freedom of expression and the right to difference “Emphasizing that France defends and supports the abuse of Muslims, their symbols and their sanctities under the pretext of freedom of opinion and expression, while punishing those who express their opinion freely and exercise their right to disagree.”

And international condemnation positions continued on Tuesday, against the French authorities and their president, Emmanuel Macron, after insulting Islam and the Prophet Muhammad.

During the past few days, France has witnessed the publication of insulting pictures and cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad on the facades of buildings in France, which sparked a wave of anger throughout the Islamic world.

On October 21, President Emmanuel Macron said that France will not abandon “cartoons”; This doubled the wave of anger in the Islamic world, and campaigns were launched in some countries to boycott French products and goods.

Meanwhile, calls for a boycott of French products continued throughout the world, in response to insults against Islam and the Prophet Muhammad, may God bless him and grant him peace.

Activists, on social media, published pictures of shops in Egypt removing all French products and declaring their boycott, in protest against France’s abuse of the Prophet Muhammad and defending the offensive cartoons.

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Cpt. Rishwat said:
I have never actually been to France, considered going a few times but always chose somewhere else instead. I don't know if it is just the impression we have of them in the UK, but seems like they are really prissy and uptight. Is that fair, or are they a bit more chill in real life?
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I have always found them OK. Very particular, but they can have a laugh too. Parisians supposedly arrogant but treat them with respect and they will return it, or so I found. Paris is the architectural and cultural marvel of course, though you might find the people a bit impatient. Very clean city. See Notre Dame, Louvre, Tour Eiffel, Sacre Coeur, Cimetiere du Pere Lachaise, catacombs. Lots of nightlife with musical and culinary influences from Francophone Africa.

Palace of Versailles is jaw-dropping in scale and grandeur.

Amiens is a lovely town. I cycled all over the Somme valley.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I have never actually been to France, considered going a few times but always chose somewhere else instead. I don't know if it is just the impression we have of them in the UK, but seems like they are really prissy and uptight. Is that fair, or are they a bit more chill in real life?
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Its ok for a brief romantic holiday. I was under the impression that they would be really uptight too but people were generally ok.

I went just after they won the world cup and almost every arab/berber taxi driver said they didnt support France because the majority of France didn't consider them French. I wonder how French they feel given recent events.

Funnily i also met a really nice Indian uber driver who raved about how nice the UK was compared to France and how lucky we were.

When I asked him where he had visited in the UK he said Southall. Gave me and the wife a good laugh.
 
God bless Macron. The world needs more characters like him who calls out extremists for their hateful acts and doesn't give a gooey wishy washy speech.
 
Guys US is a free country right with Freedom of Speech and everything

So here Geller (anti-Muslim) drew prophet Muhammad PBUH cartoons and she was criticized by the US RIGHT WING for her actions (Macron not only supported the actions of cartoonists but also displayed the cartoon on government buildings look at the diffrence in the handling of the crisis)

here is President Trumps quote on Galler the cartoonist "On the day after the shooting, Donald Trump, appearing on Fox & Friends, questioned Geller's motives. He said, "It looks like she's just taunting everybody. What is she doing? Drawing Mohammed and it looks like she's actually taunting people. (...) You know, I'm one that believes in free speech, probably more than she does. But what's the purpose of this?"

Bill O Rielly "In response to Trump's remarks, Bill O'Reilly said in his program The O'Reilly Factor, "Mr. Trump is correct. By setting up a contest and awarding $10,000 for a depiction of the Prophet Mohammed, the American Freedom Defense Initiative spurred a violent attack. (...) Insulting a religion with more than a billion followers does not advance the cause of defeating the fanatical jihadists. It hurts the cause."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Culwell_Center_attack#cite_note-cnnGoldberg2015-18

So the criticism is not the freedom of Speech but the way the government is handling this situation by clearly taking a side
 
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Bigboii said:
Guys US is a free country right with Freedom of Speech and everything

So here Geller (anti-Muslim) drew prophet Muhammad PBUH cartoons and she was criticized by the US RIGHT WING for her actions (Macron not only supported the actions of cartoonists but also displayed the cartoon on government buildings look at the diffrence in the handling of the crisis)

here is President Trumps quote on Galler the cartoonist "On the day after the shooting, Donald Trump, appearing on Fox & Friends, questioned Geller's motives. He said, "It looks like she's just taunting everybody. What is she doing? Drawing Mohammed and it looks like she's actually taunting people. (...) You know, I'm one that believes in free speech, probably more than she does. But what's the purpose of this?"
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He knows the purpose - because he personally enacted a Muslim immigration ban, or tried to. He deliberately courts the far right, nativist groups.

Remember that it is a tactic of fascists to blame others for that which they are themselves guilty - Goebbels said that IIRC.
 
Robert said:
He knows the purpose - because he personally enacted a Muslim immigration ban, or tried to. He deliberately courts the far right, nativist groups.

Remember that it is a tactic of fascists to blame others for that which they are themselves guilty - Goebbels said that IIRC.
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That's makes Macron looks so bad meaning that even a "fascist" like Trump managed to understand the situation better than Macron

He knew the battles he had to pick

Hell even a right winger, monster, the Satan himself knew the mess Prophet PBUH cartoons create and half heartily discouraged cartoons

But the clean guy the Mr. Incredible, lord and savior of France didn't realize the mess these cartoons cause in society (even though french Muslim population is a lot more than US's)

And instead of just supporting freedom of speech he decided to display the cartoons on gov buildings

The comparison was there that even US right wing (a lot more conservative than in Europe on some issues) realized that this is not the place to fight for free speech and this is way to touchy a subject to take lightly so let's calm down here

But the Democratic Champion didn't realize it

This is what I mean with handling of the crisis even an idiot knows that cartoons are not worth supporting whole heatedly the way Macron is doing
 
Bigboii said:
This is what I mean with handling of the crisis even an idiot knows that cartoons are not worth supporting whole heatedly the way Macron is doing
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The projecting onto government buildings happened after the beheading though didn't it?
 
Bigboii said:
That's makes Macron looks so bad meaning that even a "fascist" like Trump managed to understand the situation better than Macron

He knew the battles he had to pick

Hell even a right winger, monster, the Satan himself knew the mess Prophet PBUH cartoons create and half heartily discouraged cartoons

But the clean guy the Mr. Incredible, lord and savior of France didn't realize the mess these cartoons cause in society (even though french Muslim population is a lot more than US's)

And instead of just supporting freedom of speech he decided to display the cartoons on gov buildings

The comparison was there that even US right wing (a lot more conservative than in Europe on some issues) realized that this is not the place to fight for free speech and this is way to touchy a subject to take lightly so let's calm down here

But the Democratic Champion didn't realize it

This is what I mean with handling of the crisis even an idiot knows that cartoons are not worth supporting whole heatedly the way Macron is doing
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Well, hardly. The projection onto gov buildings was unnecessary, clumsy and provocative, but Macron did not attempt to institute an actual Muslim immigration ban like Trump.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Its ok for a brief romantic holiday. I was under the impression that they would be really uptight too but people were generally ok.

I went just after they won the world cup and almost every arab/berber taxi driver said they didnt support France because the majority of France didn't consider them French. I wonder how French they feel given recent events.
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Surely you are not applying the Tebbit Test? The majority of British Pakistanis support Pakistan in the cricket. My old Dad shouted for Ireland though he emigrated to England as a boy. It’s about connection with your roots.
 
Dingolfy said:
Why not? Its just a cartoon. And they showed cartoons mocking Jews and Christians too.
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It's not the gov job to put controversial cartoons on gov departments

It should be allowed but not encouraged but when they put these cartoons it's an encouragement
 
Bigboii said:
It's not the gov job to put controversial cartoons on gov departments

It should be allowed but not encouraged but when they put these cartoons it's an encouragement
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Controversial how? France is a secular republic and anyone there have the right to mock religion. And beheading of that teacher was against that sentiment. So govt came up with backing that right.
 
Dingolfy said:
Controversial how? France is a secular republic and anyone there have the right to mock religion. And beheading of that teacher was against that sentiment. So govt came up with backing that right.
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The way I see it, projecting the cartoons was like shouting “fire” in a crowded theatre. You have the right to do it but would be irresponsible if you do.
 
Zaz said:
Why is it absurd? Just because one has the right to do something it doesnt mean that its the right thing to do

Why is this difficult to understand?
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No one religion should get special treatment compared to the other ones. That double standard is dangerous, it's that simple.
 
Thomaskutty said:
No one religion should get special treatment compared to the other ones. That double standard is dangerous, it’s that simple.
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The double standard is already there…

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Charlie Hebdo, the French satire magazine known for its controversial cartoons, is well-known for claiming ‘freedom of speech’ to take shots at everyone. But it once fired a major contributor for alleged anti-Semitism. <a href="https://t.co/ZUzqcGLULT">pic.twitter.com/ZUzqcGLULT</a></p>— TRT World (@trtworld) <a href="https://twitter.com/trtworld/status/1321819577874030593?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
France's hypocrisy towards freedom of expression just points towards the endemic Isamophobia and the french tradition, yes tradition of hate against Islam

Here are some examples:

French court bans Christ advert
Advertisement for French designers Marithe and Francois Girbaud. The controversial poster has already been banned in Italy France's Catholic Church has won a court injunction to ban a clothing advertisement based on Leonardo da Vinci's Christ's Last Supper.
The display was ruled "a gratuitous and aggressive act of intrusion on people's innermost beliefs", by a judge.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4337031.stm

The following year, a French rap star faced prison for calling the country a 'slut' (he later avoided it).

Source: https://www.nme.com/news/music/monsieur-r-1318360?amp&__twitter_impression=true

Around 2016, France criminalised Boycott of Israel. (Though later an ECtHR judgement found boycott campaign against Israel cannot be criminalised).

‘Liberal’ France also punishes anti-Israel activists.

Source: https://www.haaretz.com/amp/jewish/the-french-law-that-battles-bds-1.5322519

A great piece by @ggreenwald on why the entire post-Charlie Hebdo “free speech” march in Paris was a fraud.

From 2015: https://theintercept.com/2015/10/27...-land-of-the-charlie-hebdo-free-speech-march/

In 2011, British fash designer John Galliano was found guilty of anti-Semitic rant.

But freedom of expression if anyone abuses Muslims.

Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14833259

Just this year, the French parliament passed a new law that forces social networks to remove certain hateful and illegal content within 24 hours.

Branded as ‘blow to freedom of speech’.

Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/simonc...edom-of-speech/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

In 2010 France introduced a rule to protect its national flag from ‘insult’ after a photo of a man wiping his bottom caused outrage.

Mocking prophets is freedom of expression but wiping bottoms with French flag is an insult.

The absolute hypocricy.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-10744040

The French hatred for Muslims goes back centuries to its even dirtier colonial past.

Under the ‘Cremieux Decree’ Algerian Jews were granted speedy citizenship and given every right a citizen.

Algerian Muslims couldn’t own land until they left Islam.

Read: Cremieux Decree

This year, France made it mandatory to wear masks during Covid-19 but Islamic face coverings remain banned?!!

(PS- These links have been taken from a thread on twitter)
 
Thomaskutty said:
What an absurd thing to say.
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I think it’s an accurate analogy. You may have the right to do something under law, but you balance this with the responsibility to not use the right to cause harm.
 
Man fined for insulting French flag

A court in the south of France has fined an Algerian man 750 euros (£637; $984) for insulting the national flag - the first penalty under a new decree.

Abderrahmane Saidi, 26, was at a local government office on Tuesday when he grabbed a flag and snapped the pole in two during a row with a clerk.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-12069307

A while ago but another story which proves the hypocrisy and extremism of the French.
 
French government shuts down major Muslim charity as ‘Islamophobic’ anti-extremism campaign continues

French authorities on Tuesday dissolved a leading Muslim charity in the latest development in a highly controversial government campaign targeting “Islamic extremism” in the country.

BarakaCity, which works with 2 million people in 26 countries across the world, announced on its official Twitter account that it “has officially been dissolved by France”.

The charity said that it was “doing [its] utmost” to protect beneficiaries and asked for political asylum “in a country which guarantees the integrity of Muslims”.

BarakaCity’s founder, Idriss Sihamedi, directly appealed to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan in a Turkish-language tweet, saying “I would like to request political asylum for myself and my team, since I am not safe in France”.

The Turkish leader has strongly condemned statements made by French leaders in the wake of the beheading of teacher Samuel Paty, who was murdered by an 18-year-old Chechen student on 16 October after he showed his class cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad previously published by the Charlie Hebdo magazine.

French Interior Minister Gerald Darmanin also announced BarakaCity’s dissolution on Twitter, claiming that it had “incited hatred, maintained relations within the radical Islamist movement, and took pleasure in justifying terrorist acts”.

The charity responded to the minister by saying, “The decree is a web of lies, and many of these claims have already been refuted by your intelligence agencies which proceeded to dismiss them!”

Darmanin recently linked the sale of halal meat in separate aisles in French supermarkets to “Muslim separatism”.

Two weeks ago, Sihamedi was arrested and allegedly beaten by French anti-terrorism police after he criticised Zineb El-Rhazoui, a Moroccan-French journalist and well-known critic of Islam working for Charlie Hebdo.

The French government initially claimed that Sihamedi was harassing El-Razoui, but later released him.

France has also moved to shut down other Muslim groups, such as the CCIF, a civil society collective that works against Islamophobia.

Prior to the murder of Paty, French authorities passed a controversial “anti-separatism” law targeting Muslims and shut down dozens of mosques and Islamic schools.

On Tuesday, the American Muslim civil rights and advocacy group CAIR warned US Muslims not to travel to France due to what it called the French government’s “hypocritical and dangerous campaign of Islamophobic bigotry targeting French Muslims, mosques and Islamic organizations”.

Last week, two Muslim women were stabbed in Paris in an Islamophobic attack. A campaign to boycott French goods after the Charlie Hebdo cartoons of the Prophet were displayed on French government buildings has gained ground in recent weeks.

https://english.alaraby.co.uk/engli...ch-government-shuts-down-major-muslim-charity
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As part of the French government’s proposed anti-separatism bill, refusing a doctor from the opposite sex will be punished with 5 years in jail and a €75k fine, according to the interior minister <a href="https://t.co/bQADSZSAsG">https://t.co/bQADSZSAsG</a></p>— Anealla (@anealla) <a href="https://twitter.com/anealla/status/1323007870942806018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Abdullah719 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As part of the French government’s proposed anti-separatism bill, refusing a doctor from the opposite sex will be punished with 5 years in jail and a €75k fine, according to the interior minister <a href="https://t.co/bQADSZSAsG">https://t.co/bQADSZSAsG</a></p>— Anealla (@anealla) <a href="https://twitter.com/anealla/status/1323007870942806018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Extremism to another level.

Many women not just Muslim women prefer a female doctor. Extremists often attack women and no different here, disgusting to say the least.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Extremism to another level.

Many women not just Muslim women prefer a female doctor. Extremists often attack women and no different here, disgusting to say the least.
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Yet the anti-Islam brigrade will spin this as a case for assimilation.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Yet the anti-Islam brigrade will spin this as a case for assimilation.
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Lets find out.
[MENTION=146370]Tubs[/MENTION] as a supporter of secuarlism. Do you agree with this law? If a female from your family lives in France, contacts you to say she is worried as she only wants to see a female doctor. You will convince her to see a male even if it makes her feel unconformatble?
 
Not to diminish issues of racism in the UK, but wow I thought racism here was bad. And in some respects, it is. But France is actually on another level in terms of reactionary government policy. Disgraceful things coming out of there daily it seems.
 
The proposed bill will prevent gender discrimination in work field. A doctor is a doctor regardless he has male genital organ or female genital organs. If you are not satisfied with a doctor, you can ask a different one but it shouldn't be based upon gender rather how qualify he or she is as doctor.

Good move.
 
Itachi said:
The proposed bill will prevent gender discrimination in work field. A doctor is a doctor regardless he has male genital organ or female genital organs. If you are not satisfied with a doctor, you can ask a different one but it shouldn't be based upon gender rather how qualify he or she is as doctor.

Good move.
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For me, whenever a patient requests a female doctor, every effort is made to accommodate them, regardless of beliefs.

A patient comes to us when they are in need. Adding to the anxiety at that time seems cruel and unnecessary.

It could lead to such individuals delaying, avoiding or receiving inadequate care.

Obviously there are times when said dr isn’t available and that is relayed to the patient to decide.
 
miandadrules said:
For me, whenever a patient requests a female doctor, every effort is made to accommodate them, regardless of beliefs.

A patient comes to us when they are in need. Adding to the anxiety at that time seems cruel and unnecessary.

It could lead to such individuals delaying, avoiding or receiving inadequate care.

Obviously there are times when said dr isn’t available and that is relayed to the patient to decide.
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What do you do (if it ever happened) a patient requests a white doctor?.
 
Gilly said:
What do you do (if it ever happened) a patient requests a white doctor?.
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Wouldn’t be accepted by any institution I work for.

For me personally, I could care less at the point of care.

I’m not sure how the two equate.
 
miandadrules said:
Wouldn’t be accepted by any institution I work for.

For me personally, I could care less at the point of care.

I’m not sure how the two equate.
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Thanks, it sounded like you have a policy for doctor requests, that was my interest, but its not important or controversial.
 
miandadrules said:
For me, whenever a patient requests a female doctor, every effort is made to accommodate them, regardless of beliefs.

A patient comes to us when they are in need. Adding to the anxiety at that time seems cruel and unnecessary.

It could lead to such individuals delaying, avoiding or receiving inadequate care.

Obviously there are times when said dr isn’t available and that is relayed to the patient to decide.
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Medical is a profession like any other. There shouldn't be any discrimination same as other profession.

Will I be able to demand service by by waitress only since I am uncomfortable with male serving food to me?
 
Itachi said:
Medical is a profession like any other. There shouldn't be any discrimination same as other profession.

Will I be able to demand service by by waitress only since I am uncomfortable with male serving food to me?
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Do you often tell waitresses intimate details about yourself and then have them put their hands on you?
 
Also the consequences of being denied a meal as opposed to being denied medical care aren’t comparable.
 
Itachi said:
Medical is a profession like any other. There shouldn't be any discrimination same as other profession.

Will I be able to demand service by by waitress only since I am uncomfortable with male serving food to me?
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Dealing with the police, immigration and customs you can request a female to search you so including doctors would be logical.
 
Gilly said:
Thanks, it sounded like you have a policy for doctor requests, that was my interest, but its not important or controversial.
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It would be discriminatory and plain weird if there was a policy for requesting a doctor of any race.

You really don’t see a difference between requesting a doctor of your own gender and requesting a doctor of a certain race?
 
Abdullah719 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As part of the French government’s proposed anti-separatism bill, refusing a doctor from the opposite sex will be punished with 5 years in jail and a €75k fine, according to the interior minister <a href="https://t.co/bQADSZSAsG">https://t.co/bQADSZSAsG</a></p>— Anealla (@anealla) <a href="https://twitter.com/anealla/status/1323007870942806018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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That’s a ridiculous bill. Even a lot of non-religious people often prefer to see a doctor of their gender. How is that a crime?
 
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